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Does anyone else find it odd that the NHL lists W-L-OT in their standings?
Shootout losses are lumped in with OT losses. If they are going to do that, why
not just call the column "Ties" like in the old days? Isn't that what it is... a
point for earning a tie at the end of regulation. For the purposes of the
standings, especially the published standings, what purpose does segregating
types of ties serve... especially when they do it badly with the grouping of OT
and SO ties?

There is no distinguishing between types of wins. You cannot tell from the
published standings how many wins a tema go tin regulation time, OT, or
shootout. Why on earth would they them care about differentiating types of ties?

Dave in Whitby
Fit to be tied

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Tue Jan 2, 2007 4:54 pm

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Does anyone else find it odd that the NHL lists W-L-OT in their standings? Shootout losses are lumped in with OT losses. If they are going to do that, why not...
goaliedave
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Jan 2, 2007
5:03 pm

... No. It's standard practice for any league with a shootout. The third column is OT or SO losses, depending on when the "loser point" kicks in. If the point...
John Edwards
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Jan 2, 2007
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And apparently, you can't call it a loss, either. For example, a team plays 41 games. It wins 18, loses 17 in regulation time, and loses 6 more via overtime or...
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Jan 2, 2007
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"No. It's standard practice for any league with a shootout. The third column is OT or SO losses, depending on when the "loser point" kicks in." John... thanks...
goaliedave
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Jan 3, 2007
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... I don't know that the NHL thinks of it as a "loser point", but I know I do. :-) I did answer the question: "If the point is awarded at the end of...
John Edwards
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Jan 4, 2007
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personally if you lose whether it be in regulation overt ime or a shoot out you should get absolutely nothing. ...
Jamie McCallum
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Jan 4, 2007
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""I did answer the question: "If the point is awarded at the end of regulation, then the column is usually "OTL" and includes shootouts. If it's awarded at the...
goaliedave
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Jan 4, 2007
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... I am not saying there should be two columns. I am in fact saying the exact opposite: only one column is necessary. When a league decides to adopt a...
John Edwards
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Jan 6, 2007
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"Some leagues have chosen to give a point to an overtime loser, as well as to a shootout loser. In those cases, those leagues' standings have generally shown...
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Jan 8, 2007
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How about a crystal-clear proposal? Two columns: wins and losses. Seems to work well for basketball, baseball and NFL football, all of which have...
Lloyd Davis
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Jan 8, 2007
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... Here's a tentative answer: Because basketball ties are decided playing basketball, baseball ties are decided playing baseball, and NFL football ties are...
J.P. Martel
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Jan 8, 2007
11:13 pm

On the other hand, leagues don't treat wins differently. It doesn't matter whether they are earned by playing hockey as we know it, or in overtime, or are...
Lloyd Davis
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Jan 10, 2007
9:57 pm

... Until 2 weeks to go in the season, I just lump the losses together to figure out how a team is doing, i.e. I just look at the W-L record. The bonus points...
Michael Poplawski
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Jan 12, 2007
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"Because basketball ties are decided playing basketball, baseball ties are decided playing baseball, and NFL football ties are decided playing football." is...
Jamie McCallum
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Jan 10, 2007
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JP, thanks for the post. Very thought provoking. I'm trying to think back to when I was first introduced to OT and shootouts. I have never felt shootouts to be...
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Jan 10, 2007
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Lloyd, I'm all for seperating out wins to give precise information... you'd need 7 columns with the 1st 3 dedicated to regulation time (W-L-T) , then 2 for OT...
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