Does anyone on the group have Quattro Pro (> version 6) installed? We
need a file converted for the disk project.
Let me know. Thanks!!!

         D

Dave,

Excel won't convert it?  What about Apple's spreadsheet program
(Numbers), or Access?

Alan

Guys-

 

    When will the new disk position ratings info be released?

 

Thanks-

 

Bill Corfield

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Here is the position list for this year's disk. As always, positions are
in rank order (the first listed position is the primary) and any
positions in lower case suffer penalties (-1 on DEF and some SOG
penalties, as these are considered highly secondary positions). The disk
is moving along.......

Chris Kunitz    ANA    LW
Francois Beauchemin    ANA    LD
Sean O'Donnell    ANA    LD
Rob Niedermayer    ANA    RW
Ryan Getzlaf    ANA    C
Travis Moen    ANA    LW
Kent Huskins    ANA    LDRD
Todd Marchant    ANA    CRW
Chris Pronger    ANA    RD
Corey Perry    ANA    RW
George Parros    ANA    RW
Todd Bertuzzi    ANA    LWRW
Mathieu Schneider    ANA    RDLD
Brad May    ANA    LW
Samuel Pahlsson    ANA    C
Scott Niedermayer    ANA    RD
Ryan Carter    ANA    C
Teemu Selanne    ANA    RW
Drew Miller    ANA    LWRW
Bobby Ryan    ANA    RW
Joe DiPenta    ANA    RD
Mark Mowers    ANA    RWC
Slava Kozlov    ATL    LWC
Tobias Enstrom    ATL    RDLD
Bobby Holik    ATL    C
Eric Perrin    ATL    LWCRW
Niclas Havelid    ATL    LDRD
Ilya Kovalchuk    ATL    LW
Garnet Exelby    ATL    LDRD
Todd White    ATL    C
Eric Boulton    ATL    LW
Chris Thorburn    ATL    RWlw
Ken Klee    ATL    LDRD
Jim Slater    ATL    CLW
Alexei Zhitnik    ATL    RDLD
Brad Larsen    ATL    LWRWC
Steve McCarthy    ATL    RDLD
Bryan Little    ATL    Crw
Mark Popovic    ATL    RD
Joel Kwiatkowski    ATL    LD
Colin Stuart    ATL    LW
Darren Haydar    ATL    RW
Brett Sterling    ATL    LWRW
Kevin Doell    ATL    C
Phil Kessel    BOS    RWLW
Glen Metropolit    BOS    C
Mark Stuart    BOS    LDRD
Dennis Wideman    BOS    RD
Marco Sturm    BOS    LW
Zdeno Chara    BOS    LD
Milan Lucic    BOS    LWRW
P.J. Axelsson    BOS    LW
Marc Savard    BOS    C
Chuck Kobasew    BOS    RW
Aaron Ward    BOS    RD
Glen Murray    BOS    RW
Peter Schaefer    BOS    LWRW
Andrew Ference    BOS    LDRD
Shawn Thornton    BOS    RW
Jeremy Reich    BOS    LWRW
Petteri Nokelainen    BOS    CRW
David Krejci    BOS    C
Vladimir Sobotka    BOS    C
Andrew Alberts    BOS    LD
Bobby Allen    BOS    RDLD
Matt Lashoff    BOS    LD
Matt Hunwick    BOS    RD
Patrice Bergeron    BOS    C
Jason Pominville    BUF    RW
Thomas Vanek    BUF    LW
Paul Gaustad    BUF    C
Toni Lydman    BUF    RD
Ales Kotalik    BUF    RWLW
Derek Roy    BUF    C
Daniel Paille    BUF    LW
Jochen Hecht    BUF    CLW
Adam Mair    BUF    C
Henrik Tallinder    BUF    LD
Drew Stafford    BUF    RW
Jaroslav Spacek    BUF    LDRD
Nathan Paetsch    BUF    RD
Maxim Afinogenov    BUF    RW
Nolan Pratt    BUF    LDRD
Tim Connolly    BUF    CRW
Dmitri Kalinin    BUF    LDRD
Michael Ryan    BUF    LWCRW
Andrew Peters    BUF    LWRW
Patrick Kaleta    BUF    RW
Clarke MacArthur    BUF    LWrw
Andrej Sekera    BUF    LDRD
Mike Weber    BUF    LD
Eric Staal    CAR    C
Frantisek Kaberle    CAR    LD
Tim Gleason    CAR    RDLD
Glen Wesley    CAR    LD
Trevor Letowski    CAR    C
Erik Cole    CAR    RW
Ray Whitney    CAR    LW
Bret Hedican    CAR    LD
Niclas Wallin    CAR    RDLD
Rod Brind'Amour    CAR    C
Matt Cullen    CAR    C
Scott Walker    CAR    RWLW
Jeff Hamilton    CAR    LWRWC
Chad LaRose    CAR    LWRW
Dennis Seidenberg    CAR    RDLD
Keith Aucoin    CAR    Clwrw
Justin Williams    CAR    RW
Wade Brookbank    CAR    LWRWLD
Ryan Bayda    CAR    LWrw
Tim Conboy    CAR    RW
David Tanabe    CAR    RDRW
Casey Borer    CAR    RDLD
Patrick Kane    CHI    RWLW
Duncan Keith    CHI    LD
Brent Seabrook    CHI    RD
Adam Burish    CHI    LWCRW
Patrick Sharp    CHI    CLWRW
Robert Lang    CHI    C
James Wisniewski    CHI    RD
Dustin Byfuglien    CHI    RWRDLDLW
Jonathan Toews    CHI    C
Rene Bourque    CHI    LW
Brent Sopel    CHI    RD
Yanic Perreault    CHI    LWC
Cam Barker    CHI    LDRD
Jason Williams    CHI    RWLW
Jordan Hendry    CHI    LDRD
Dave Bolland    CHI    CRW
Martin Havlat    CHI    RWLW
Andrei Zyuzin    CHI    LD
Kevyn Adams    CHI    C
Jacob Dowell    CHI    C
David Koci    CHI    LW
Jack Skille    CHI    RW
Kris Versteeg    CHI    LWRW
Niklas Hjalmarsson    CHI    LD
Petri Kontiola    CHI    CRW
Nikolai Zherdev    CBJ    RWLW
Rostislav Klesla    CBJ    RD
Jason Chimera    CBJ    LW
Jan Hejda    CBJ    LD
Rick Nash    CBJ    LWRW
Ron Hainsey    CBJ    LD
Jared Boll    CBJ    RW
Manny Malhotra    CBJ    C
Dan Fritsche    CBJ    RWC
Kris Russell    CBJ    LDRD
David Vyborny    CBJ    RW
Michael Peca    CBJ    C
Jiri Novotny    CBJ    CRW
Gilbert Brule    CBJ    LWRWc
Ole-Kristian Tollefsen    CBJ    RDLD
Andrew Murray    CBJ    LW
Joakim Lindstrom    CBJ    RW
Fredrik Modin    CBJ    LWRW
Duvie Westcott    CBJ    RDLD
Derick Brassard    CBJ    C
Derek MacKenzie    CBJ    LWC
Aaron Rome    CBJ    RD
Marc Methot    CBJ    RD
Jarome Iginla    CLG    RW
Dion Phaneuf    CLG    LDRD
Matthew Lombardi    CLG    C
Robyn Regehr    CLG    LD
Kristian Huselius    CLG    LW
Daymond Langkow    CLG    C
Cory Sarich    CLG    RD
Craig Conroy    CLG    C
Alex Tanguay    CLG    LW
Owen Nolan    CLG    RW
Adrian Aucoin    CLG    RD
Stephane Yelle    CLG    CRWLW
Eric Godard    CLG    RW
Anders Eriksson    CLG    RDLD
David Hale    CLG    LD
Mark Smith    CLG    LWC
Dustin Boyd    CLG    Crw
Marcus Nilson    CLG    LWRWC
Eric Nystrom    CLG    LW
Wayne Primeau    CLG    LWRW
David Moss    CLG    RW
Rhett Warrener    CLG    RD
Andrew Brunette    COL    LWRW
Scott Hannan    COL    LDRD
John-Michael Liles    COL    LDRD
Ben Guite    COL    CLW
Milan Hejduk    COL    RW
Wojtek Wolski    COL    LW
Jeff Finger    COL    RDLD
Tyler Arnason    COL    C
Ian Laperriere    COL    RW
Paul Stastny    COL    C
Jaroslav Hlinka    COL    CLWrw
Marek Svatos    COL    RW
Brett Clark    COL    LDRD
Ryan Smyth    COL    LW
Kurt Sauer    COL    LDRD
Cody McLeod    COL    LW
Joe Sakic    COL    C
Jordan Leopold    COL    LDRD
Cody McCormick    COL    RWlw
Kyle Cumiskey    COL    RDRWLD
T.J. Hensick    COL    CLW
David Jones    COL    RW
Wyatt Smith    COL    C
Scott Parker    COL    LWRW
Brad Richardson    COL    CLWRW
Peter Forsberg    COL    LW
Brenden Morrow    DAL    LW
Mike Modano    DAL    C
Niklas Hagman    DAL    LWRW
Stephane Robidas    DAL    RD
Trevor Daley    DAL    RDLD
Stu Barnes    DAL    RWCLW
Matt Niskanen    DAL    LDRD
Mike Ribeiro    DAL    C
Steve Ott    DAL    LWC
Antti Miettinen    DAL    RW
Loui Eriksson    DAL    RWLW
Mattias Norstrom    DAL    LD
Nicklas Grossman    DAL    LD
Joel Lundqvist    DAL    CLWrw
Jere Lehtinen    DAL    RW
Krys Barch    DAL    RW
Sergei Zubov    DAL    RD
Brad Winchester    DAL    LW
Philippe Boucher    DAL    RD
Mark Fistric    DAL    LD
Chris Conner    DAL    RW
Toby Petersen    DAL    C
Brandon Crombeen    DAL    RW
Pavel Datsyuk    DET    LWC
Jiri Hudler    DET    LWRW
Andreas Lilja    DET    RDLD
Valtteri Filppula    DET    LWC
Brett Lebda    DET    LDRD
Tomas Kopecky    DET    LWRWC
Nicklas Lidstrom    DET    LD
Henrik Zetterberg    DET    C
Brian Rafalski    DET    RD
Mikael Samuelsson    DET    RW
Johan Franzen    DET    LWCrw
Chris Chelios    DET    RD
Niklas Kronwall    DET    LD
Kris Draper    DET    C
Dallas Drake    DET    LWRWC
Daniel Cleary    DET    LWRWC
Kirk Maltby    DET    RWLW
Tomas Holmstrom    DET    RW
Aaron Downey    DET    RW
Derek Meech    DET    LD
Mark Hartigan    DET    C
Jonathan Ericsson    DET    LD
Dustin Penner    EDM    LW
Andrew Cogliano    EDM    LWRW
Tom Gilbert    EDM    LDRD
Marty Reasoner    EDM    C
Steve Staios    EDM    RD
Jarret Stoll    EDM    C
Kyle Brodziak    EDM    CRWLW
Sam Gagner    EDM    RWCLW
Ales Hemsky    EDM    RW
Robert Nilsson    EDM    LWRW
Denis Grebeshkov    EDM    LDRD
Zack Stortini    EDM    RW
Ladislav Smid    EDM    LDRD
Joni Pitkanen    EDM    LDRD
Fernando Pisani    EDM    RW
Shawn Horcoff    EDM    C
Matt Greene    EDM    RDLD
Geoff Sanderson    EDM    LW
Raffi Torres    EDM    LW
Sheldon Souray    EDM    LD
Ethan Moreau    EDM    LW
Marc-Antoine Pouliot    EDM    LWRW
Mathieu Roy    EDM    RD
Allan Rourke    EDM    RD
J.F. Jacques    EDM    LW
Olli Jokinen    FLA    C
Nathan Horton    FLA    RW
Jay Bouwmeester    FLA    RDLD
Gregory Campbell    FLA    LWRW
Kamil Kreps    FLA    C
Stephen Weiss    FLA    C
David Booth    FLA    LWRW
Steve Montador    FLA    RDRWLW
Bryan Allen    FLA    LDRD
Brett McLean    FLA    RWCLW
Radek Dvorak    FLA    RW
Jassen Cullimore    FLA    LDRD
Branislav Mezei    FLA    RDLD
Rostislav Olesz    FLA    LW
Ville Peltonen    FLA    LW
Richard Zednik    FLA    LWRW
Jozef Stumpel    FLA    CRW
Cory Murphy    FLA    RDLD
Tanner Glass    FLA    LWc
Anthony Stewart    FLA    RW
Mike Van Ryn    FLA    RDLD
David Brine    FLA    C
Rob Globke    FLA    RW
Anze Kopitar    LAK    C
Patrick O'Sullivan    LAK    LWrw
Lubomir Visnovsky    LAK    RDLD
Michal Handzus    LAK    C
Dustin Brown    LAK    RW
Derek Armstrong    LAK    C
Tom Preissing    LAK    RD
Jack Johnson    LAK    RDLD
Raitis Ivanans    LAK    LWRW
Alexander Frolov    LAK    RW
Rob Blake    LAK    LDRD
Kyle Calder    LAK    LWRW
Mike Cammalleri    LAK    LW
Brian Willsie    LAK    RW
Jeff Giuliano    LAK    RWC
Scott Thornton    LAK    LWC
Ladislav Nagy    LAK    LW
John Zeiler    LAK    RWC
Kevin Dallman    LAK    RDLD
Peter Harrold    LAK    LD
Matt Moulson    LAK    LW
Jon Klemm    LAK    CLDRWRD
Teddy Purcell    LAK    RW
Brian Boyle    LAK    C
Brent Burns    MIN    RD
Pierre-Marc Bouchard    MIN    RW
Brian Rolston    MIN    LWC
Nick Schultz    MIN    LD
Kim Johnsson    MIN    LDRD
Martin Skoula    MIN    LDRD
James Sheppard    MIN    C
Marian Gaborik    MIN    RW
Stephane Veilleux    MIN    LWRWc
Eric Belanger    MIN    C
Branko Radivojevic    MIN    RWlw
Pavol Demitra    MIN    CLW
Mark Parrish    MIN    RWLW
Keith Carney    MIN    LDRD
Mikko Koivu    MIN    C
Kurtis Foster    MIN    RD
Aaron Voros    MIN    LW
Sean Hill    MIN    RD
Derek Boogaard    MIN    LW
Matt Foy    MIN    RW
Petteri Nummelin    MIN    LDRWLW
Wes Walz    MIN    C
Benoit Pouliot    MIN    C
Alexei Kovalev    MON    RW
Andrei Markov    MON    LD
Christopher Higgins    MON    LW
Tomas Plekanec    MON    C
Mark Streit    MON    LWRDLDRW
Andrei Kostitsyn    MON    LW
Saku Koivu    MON    C
Roman Hamrlik    MON    LD
Mike Komisarek    MON    RD
Francis Bouillon    MON    LD
Guillaume Latendresse    MON    LWRW
Michael Ryder    MON    RWLW
Tom Kostopoulos    MON    RW
Bryan Smolinski    MON    Crw
Josh Gorges    MON    RDLD
Mathieu Dandenault    MON    RWLW
Maxim Lapierre    MON    C
Sergei Kostitsyn    MON    RW
Steve Begin    MON    LWC
Patrice Brisebois    MON    RDLD
Kyle Chipchura    MON    C
Ryan O'Byrne    MON    RD
Mikhail Grabovski    MON    C
Alexander Radulov    NAS    RWLW
Jerred Smithson    NAS    RWLWC
J.P. Dumont    NAS    RWLW
Dan Hamhuis    NAS    LD
Jason Arnott    NAS    C
Marek Zidlicky    NAS    RD
Vernon Fiddler    NAS    LW
Radek Bonk    NAS    CLW
Greg Zanon    NAS    LDRD
Greg de Vries    NAS    RD
Martin Erat    NAS    LWRW
Ryan Suter    NAS    LDRD
Scott Nichol    NAS    C
David Legwand    NAS    C
Jordin Tootoo    NAS    RW
Martin Gelinas    NAS    LWRW
Shea Weber    NAS    RDLD
Jed Ortmeyer    NAS    RW
Ville Koistinen    NAS    LDRD
Darcy Hordichuk    NAS    LW
Rich Peverley    NAS    LWRW
Kevin Klein    NAS    RD
Brian Gionta    NJD    RW
Dainius Zubrus    NJD    LWRW
Travis Zajac    NJD    C
Sergei Brylin    NJD    LWCRW
Zach Parise    NJD    LW
David Clarkson    NJD    RW
John Madden    NJD    C
Arron Asham    NJD    RWLW
Mike Mottau    NJD    RD
Johnny Oduya    NJD    LD
Patrik Elias    NJD    CLW
Paul Martin    NJD    RD
Vitaly Vishnevski    NJD    LD
Jamie Langenbrunner    NJD    RW
Michael Rupp    NJD    LWC
Andy Greene    NJD    LDRD
Rod Pelley    NJD    C
Colin White    NJD    LD
Jay Pandolfo    NJD    LW
Karel Rachunek    NJD    RD
Sheldon Brookbank    NJD    RD
Trent Hunter    NYI    RW
Richard Park    NYI    CLWRW
Bill Guerin    NYI    RW
Josef Vasicek    NYI    C
Miroslav Satan    NYI    RWc
Sean Bergenheim    NYI    LWRW
Mike Comrie    NYI    C
Andy Hilbert    NYI    LWCRW
Radek Martinek    NYI    RD
Ruslan Fedotenko    NYI    LW
Bruno Gervais    NYI    RD
Brendan Witt    NYI    LD
Andy Sutton    NYI    LD
Bryan Berard    NYI    RDLD
Mike Sillinger    NYI    C
Blake Comeau    NYI    LWRW
Chris Campoli    NYI    LD
Tim Jackman    NYI    RWlw
Jeff Tambellini    NYI    LW
Aaron Johnson    NYI    RDLDRW
Frans Nielsen    NYI    C
Jeremy Colliton    NYI    C
Kyle Okposo    NYI    RW
Matthew Spiller    NYI    LD
Ben Walter    NYI    C
Steve Regier    NYI    RW
Jaromir Jagr    NYR    RW
Chris Drury    NYR    C
Brandon Dubinsky    NYR    C
Daniel Girardi    NYR    RD
Fedor Tyutin    NYR    LD
Scott Gomez    NYR    C
Michal Rozsival    NYR    RD
Marc Staal    NYR    LD
Blair Betts    NYR    C
Colton Orr    NYR    RW
Brendan Shanahan    NYR    RW
Ryan Hollweg    NYR    LWc
Martin Straka    NYR    LWC
Petr Prucha    NYR    RWLW
Nigel Dawes    NYR    LW
Paul Mara    NYR    RDLD
Sean Avery    NYR    LW
Ryan Callahan    NYR    RW
Jason Strudwick    NYR    LDRD
Marek Malik    NYR    LD
Andrej Meszaros    OTT    RD
Christoph Schubert    OTT    LWRD
Shean Donovan    OTT    RWLW
Antoine Vermette    OTT    LWC
Chris Phillips    OTT    LDRD
Wade Redden    OTT    LD
Mike Fisher    OTT    C
Jason Spezza    OTT    C
Luke Richardson    OTT    LDRD
Chris Kelly    OTT    CLW
Dany Heatley    OTT    LW
Daniel Alfredsson    OTT    RW
Randy Robitaille    OTT    CLWRW
Dean McAmmond    OTT    CLWRW
Chris Neil    OTT    RW
Anton Volchenkov    OTT    RDLD
Nick Foligno    OTT    RWCLW
Brian McGrattan    OTT    RWlw
Cody Bass    OTT    CRW
Mike Knuble    PHI    RW
Jeff Carter    PHI    C
Kimmo Timonen    PHI    RDLD
Scott Hartnell    PHI    LW
Daniel Briere    PHI    C
Braydon Coburn    PHI    LDRD
Jason Smith    PHI    RD
R.J. Umberger    PHI    LWRW
Sami Kapanen    PHI    RW
Mike Richards    PHI    C
Jim Dowd    PHI    C
Randy Jones    PHI    LDRD
Riley Cote    PHI    LWRW
Scottie Upshall    PHI    LWRW
Joffrey Lupul    PHI    RW
Lasse Kukkonen    PHI    RDLD
Derian Hatcher    PHI    RDLD
Steve Downie    PHI    RW
Denis Tolpeko    PHI    RWLW
Simon Gagne    PHI    LW
Ryan Parent    PHI    LDRD
Rory Fitzpatrick    PHI    RDLD
Stefan Ruzicka    PHI    RW
Derek Morris    PHO    RD
Keith Ballard    PHO    LD
Peter Mueller    PHO    CRWLW
Steven Reinprecht    PHO    C
Shane Doan    PHO    RWLW
Ed Jovanovski    PHO    LDRD
Niko Kapanen    PHO    C
Daniel Winnik    PHO    LWc
Nick Boynton    PHO    RD
Mathias Tjarnqvist    PHO    LWRW
Radim Vrbata    PHO    RWLW
Zbynek Michalek    PHO    RDLD
Martin Hanzal    PHO    C
Mike York    PHO    RWLWC
Craig Weller    PHO    RW
Daniel Carcillo    PHO    LW
Joel Perrault    PHO    CLWRW
Matt Jones    PHO    LD
Keith Yandle    PHO    LD
Mike Zigomanis    PHO    Crw
Enver Lisin    PHO    RW
Evgeni Malkin    PIT    CLW
Jordan Staal    PIT    CLW
Petr Sykora    PIT    RWLW
Sergei Gonchar    PIT    LDRD
Brooks Orpik    PIT    RDLD
Ryan Malone    PIT    LWRW
Ryan Whitney    PIT    LD
Darryl Sydor    PIT    RDLD
Jarkko Ruutu    PIT    LWRW
Georges Laraque    PIT    RW
Rob Scuderi    PIT    RD
Maxime Talbot    PIT    LWCRW
Kris Letang    PIT    LDRD
Tyler Kennedy    PIT    RWLW
Sidney Crosby    PIT    C
Adam Hall    PIT    CRW
Jeff Taffe    PIT    LWC
Gary Roberts    PIT    LW
Mark Eaton    PIT    RDLD
Chris Minard    PIT    CRW
Connor James    PIT    CLW
Nathan Smith    PIT    C
Joe Thornton    SAN    C
Joe Pavelski    SAN    CLWrw
Torrey Mitchell    SAN    C
Marc-Edouard Vlasic    SAN    RDRW
Milan Michalek    SAN    LW
Patrick Rissmiller    SAN    LW
Patrick Marleau    SAN    CLW
Mike Grier    SAN    RWLW
Christian Ehrhoff    SAN    RDLD
Craig Rivet    SAN    RD
Jonathan Cheechoo    SAN    RWLW
Jeremy Roenick    SAN    RWC
Douglas Murray    SAN    LDC
Matt Carle    SAN    LDRD
Kyle McLaren    SAN    LDRD
Marcel Goc    SAN    LWC
Devin Setoguchi    SAN    RW
Sandis Ozolinsh    SAN    LD
Curtis Brown    SAN    RWCLW
Alexei Semenov    SAN    LDRW
Tomas Plihal    SAN    LW
Ryane Clowe    SAN    RW
Brad Boyes    STL    RWC
Paul Kariya    STL    LWRW
Jay McClement    STL    C
Lee Stempniak    STL    LWRW
Jamal Mayers    STL    RW
Keith Tkachuk    STL    CLW
Ryan Johnson    STL    C
Barret Jackman    STL    LD
Eric Brewer    STL    LDRD
David Backes    STL    RWLW
Erik Johnson    STL    LDRD
Jay McKee    STL    RD
David Perron    STL    LWRW
D.J. King    STL    LW
Dan Hinote    STL    RWLW
Matt Walker    STL    RDLD
Martin Rucinsky    STL    LW
Jeff Woywitka    STL    RD
Steve Wagner    STL    RD
Mike Johnson    STL    RWLW
Yan Stastny    STL    C
Cam Janssen    STL    RW
Martin St. Louis    TAM    RW
Vincent Lecavalier    TAM    C
Mike Lundin    TAM    RDLD
Nick Tarnasky    TAM    LWRW
Jason Ward    TAM    RWLWC
Shane O'Brien    TAM    LD
Filip Kuba    TAM    RDLD
Mathieu Darche    TAM    RWLWC
Paul Ranger    TAM    LDRD
Craig MacDonald    TAM    CRW
Michel Ouellet    TAM    RW
Andre Roy    TAM    LWRW
Doug Janik    TAM    RDLDRW
Chris Gratton    TAM    CLW
Brad Lukowich    TAM    LDRD
Andreas Karlsson    TAM    CLWRW
Dan Boyle    TAM    RD
Matt Smaby    TAM    LD
Karl Stewart    TAM    RW
Tomas Kaberle    TOR    LDRD
Jason Blake    TOR    RWLW
Matt Stajan    TOR    C
Ian White    TOR    RDLD
Alexander Steen    TOR    LWRW
Mats Sundin    TOR    C
Darcy Tucker    TOR    RWLW
Nik Antropov    TOR    RWLWC
Pavel Kubina    TOR    RDLD
Alexei Ponikarovsky    TOR    LWRW
Boyd Devereaux    TOR    LWRW
Kyle Wellwood    TOR    C
Jiri Tlusty    TOR    LWRW
Bryan McCabe    TOR    RDLD
Chad Kilger    TOR    LWRWC
Anton Stralman    TOR    RDLD
Andy Wozniewski    TOR    LDRD
Mark Bell    TOR    CLW
John Pohl    TOR    CRW
Carlo Colaiacovo    TOR    LDRD
Kris Newbury    TOR    RWLWC
Jeremy Williams    TOR    RWLW
Staffan Kronwall    TOR    RDLD
Bates Battaglia    TOR    RW
Simon Gamache    TOR    LW
Robert Earl    TOR    LWRW
Henrik Sedin    VAN    C
Daniel Sedin    VAN    LW
Markus Naslund    VAN    RWLW
Alex Burrows    VAN    LWRW
Ryan Kesler    VAN    Crw
Taylor Pyatt    VAN    RWLW
Alexander Edler    VAN    LDRD
Willie Mitchell    VAN    LD
Byron Ritchie    VAN    CLW
Sami Salo    VAN    RD
Trevor Linden    VAN    RWC
Aaron Miller    VAN    RD
Brad Isbister    VAN    RWLW
Mike Weaver    VAN    RD
Mattias Ohlund    VAN    LD
Mason Raymond    VAN    LWRWC
Jeff Cowan    VAN    LWRW
Brendan Morrison    VAN    CLW
Lukas Krajicek    VAN    LD
Kevin Bieksa    VAN    RD
Ryan Shannon    VAN    CRW
Luc Bourdon    VAN    LD
Rick Rypien    VAN    C
Jason Jaffray    VAN    C
Mike Brown    VAN    RW
Nathan McIver    VAN    LD
Alexander Ovechkin    WAS    LW
Nicklas Backstrom    WAS    CLW
Mike Green    WAS    RDLD
Brooks Laich    WAS    CRWLW
Viktor Kozlov    WAS    RWC
Donald Brashear    WAS    LW
Matt Bradley    WAS    RW
Shaone Morrisonn    WAS    LDRD
Tomas Fleischmann    WAS    LWRWC
Milan Jurcina    WAS    RDLD
Jeff Schultz    WAS    LD
Tom Poti    WAS    LDRD
Boyd Gordon    WAS    CRW
Dave Steckel    WAS    CRW
Alexander Semin    WAS    LWRW
John Erskine    WAS    LDRD
Michael Nylander    WAS    C
Quintin Laing    WAS    LWRW
Brian Pothier    WAS    RD
Eric Fehr    WAS    RW
Steve Eminger    WAS    RDLD
Chris Clark    WAS    RW
Joe Motzko    WAS    RW
Craig Adams    CHI/CAR    RWLW
Colby Armstrong    ATL/PIT    RW
Christian Backman    NYR/STL    RDLD
Wade Belak    FLA/TOR    RW
Marc-Andre Bergeron    ANA/NYI    RD
Steve Bernier    BUF/SAN    RW
Brian Campbell    SAN/BUF    RDLD
Erik Christensen    ATL/PIT    CLW
Mike Commodore    OTT/CAR    RDLD
Matt Cooke    WAS/VAN    LWRW
Joe Corvo    CAR/OTT    RDLD
Rob Davison    NYI/SAN    RDLW
Pascal Dupuis    PIT/ATL    RWLW
Ben Eager    CHI/PHI    LW
Patrick Eaves    CAR/OTT    RW
Matt Ellis    LAK/DET    LWRWC
Sergei Fedorov    WAS/CBJ    C
Todd Fedoruk    MIN/DAL    LW
Adam Foote    COL/CBJ    RD
Hal Gill    PIT/TOR    LDRD
Curtis Glencross    EDM/CBJ    LWRW
Jeff Halpern    TAM/DAL    CLWRW
Jan Hlavac    NAS/TAM    LWRW
Shane Hnidy    BOS/ANA    RD
Marian Hossa    PIT/ATL    RW
Marcel Hossa    PHO/NYR    LWRW
Magnus Johansson    FLA/CHI    RDLD
Jussi Jokinen    TAM/DAL    LWC
Andrew Ladd    CHI/CAR    LW
Martin Lapointe    OTT/CHI    RW
Junior Lessard    TAM/DAL    RWC
Andy McDonald    STL/ANA    C
Freddy Meyer    NYI/PHO    LDRD
Jaroslav Modry    PHI/LAK    LD
Dominic Moore    TOR/MIN    CRW
Matt Pettinger    VAN/WAS    LWRW
Alexandre Picard    TAM/PHL    RDLD
Vaclav Prospal    PHI/TAM    LWC
Mark Recchi    ATL/PIT    RW
Brad Richards    DAL/TAM    CRWLW
Tuomo Ruutu    CAR/CHI    LWC
Ruslan Salei    COL/FLA    LDRD
Bryce Salvador    NJD/STL    RDLD
Sergei Samsonov    CAR/CHI    LWRW
Jody Shelley    SAN/CBJ    LW
Chris Simon    MIN/NYI    LWRW
Fredrik Sjostrom    NYR/PHO    LWRW
Karlis Skrastins    FLA/COL    LDRD
Cory Stillman    OTT/CAR    LWRW
Brad Stuart    DET/LAK    LDRD
Brian Sutherby    ANA/WAS    CLW
Dick Tarnstrom    CBJ/EDM    LDRD
Patrick Thoresen    PHI/EDM    CRW
Doug Weight    ANA/STL    C
Kris Beech    PIT/VAN/CBJ    C
Brandon Bochenski    NAS/ANA/BOS    RW
Jim Vandermeer    CLG/PHI/CHI    RDLD

Dave,

Brooks Orpik (PIT) also played a handful of games at left wing this
year.  Primarily a defenseman, but had two games where Therrien played
him up front because of injuries and illness.  He did the same with
Whitney towards the end of the season, because of unhappiness
w/Whitney's play.  According to NHL.com's rosters, they were both listed
as defensemen for those games.  I don't remember if you account for
covering that situation or not.

Funny, but looking at the play-by-play for the March 25 Pens-NJ game,
one where Whitney played LW, Whitney shows up in the on-ice column in
the LW position, but w/D listed as the position, so the thing lists the
Pens on ice as 27 R, 38 L, 19 D (Whitney), 44 D, 55 D, 29 G.

Alan

Dave,

Brooks Orpik (PIT) also played a handful of games at left wing this
year. Primarily a defenseman, but had two games where Therrien played
him up front because of injuries and illness. He did the same with
Whitney towards the end of the season, because of unhappiness
w/Whitney's play. According to NHL.com's rosters, they were both listed
as defensemen for those games. I don't remember if you account for
covering that situation or not.

Funny, but looking at the play-by-play for the March 25 Pens-NJ game,
one where Whitney played LW, Whitney shows up in the on-ice column in
the LW position, but w/D listed as the position, so the thing lists the
Pens on ice as 27 R, 38 L, 19 D (Whitney), 44 D, 55 D, 29 G.

Alan

>       Posted by: "D. Atkinson" boomhound@...
>
>
>         Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:04 pm (PDT)
>
> We have been using the Hockey News lineups as the data source. If
> someone were to compile all the data from the NHL.com site
> relating to positions, we'd strongly consider adding data from
> there (although I doubt it would effect more than 10-12 players,
> and usually very very minor position adjustments like the one you
> mention). I used to have 3 good position sources, but now I only
> have the one (Hockey News). It is all a question of
> effort.....the proper data has be extracted to use, and I don't
> have time to do it myself, given all the other items I need to
> work on the disk, like making sure all the stats numbers are
> input and correct. I had a couple of volunteers work the
> positions from the Hockey News the way it was. If someone were to
> volunteer to do an exhaustive comparison of the current data I
> sent out against that in the NHL.com database, I'd consider
> updating the positions. However, adding a forward position to
> some defenseman who played a couple games there in an emergency
> situation does not add a ton of value to the disk......I caught
> the major situations were someone played a strange position,
> usually more than just a couple times.
>
> d
Dave,

I don't think you'd get a lot out of the NHL stats - as I said, they
don't actually list Orpik as a left wing, they list him as playing
defense on the roster, but he's in the wing slot on the play-by-play for
the game.  Compounding the issue, he's in the LW slot, but listed as a D
and there's another LW there.  Had I not known that Orpik actually
played left wing this year, I'd have no reason to suspect that he was a
LW without going through the play-by-play line by line.  Not only that,
but I believe some coaches have been known to use three D in odd
situations (much less common than using four forwards on a power play,
for instance), so we'd have to have some sort of idea how the player was
actually being used.  Too much effort, I suspect, for a couple games a
year.

As I said, I didn't know if you even tried to take all that into account.

Alan

Hey everyone,
We've hit the 1/3 mark. We've got ratings for 10 teams completed. We
still have 20 to go and we'd like to have them in three weeks time so
that they are ready for Dave to start testing.

Teams completed are:
Anaheim, Atlanta, Calgary, Colorado, Montreal, Philadelphia, Phoenix,
Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay and Washington

I'm not sure where we stand on many of the other teams so if anyone is
involved in the groups for the other teams, please let me know what the
status is so I know where we need help and where I should be focusing my
attention.

Thanks,

Herb

Herb

Tom Welch wrote:

Herb, the Blue Jackets ratings were done too even though we only have two participating so far and half point ratings. I will wait for other raters but not sure if they will submit. I can correct the half ratings in the meantime if you want.

Tom Welch
 

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To: hockeydisk@yahoogroups.com
From: dadadove@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:36:01 -0400
Subject: Re: [hockeydisk] ratings progress
 
 

Herb, seems like our Rangers ratings were done....we debated and revised and i thought we had finished them...

Chris Wolter  -----Original Message-----
From: Herb Garbutt <herbgarbutt@cogeco.ca>
To: Hockey Disk <hockeydisk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 8:45 pm
Subject: [hockeydisk] ratings progress
 

Hey everyone,
We've hit the 1/3 mark. We've got ratings for 10 teams completed. We
still have 20 to go and we'd like to have them in three weeks time so
that they are ready for Dave to start testing.

Teams completed are:
Anaheim, Atlanta, Calgary, Colorado, Montreal, Philadelphia, Phoenix,
Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay and Washington

I'm not sure where we stand on many of the other teams so if anyone is
involved in the groups for the other teams, please let me know what the
s tatus is so I know where we need help and where I should be focusing my
attention.

Thanks,

Herb
 

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Hey guys,
For those of you working through ratings in a group or with another
person, if you just can't come to an agreement, just leave it, make a
note of it and let Dave, myself, or the testing sort it out. It's very
easy for things to be taken the wrong way in e-mail. I know it's
happened in some groups and have been involved in one myself....rather
than starting a huge fight, it's probably just best to let a third party
sort it out. After all, we're supposed to be doing this for fun, right?

Anyway, as I said, make a note of it when you send in the final sheet.
Either make it a 2.5 or whatever. That said, try to limit them to a 2 or
3 single ratings per team. We don't want to be doing a rating per player
or anything like that. But I realize in some cases, it might just be
better to say, OK, we can't agree, no sense banging our heads against
the wall.

Herb

Hey everyone,
Weekly update on ratings......

We've got 12 teams done
Anaheim, Atlanta, Boston, Calgary, Colorado, Montreal, Philadelphia,
Phoenix, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Tampa Bay and Washington.

I know the following groups are at least underway:
Buffalo, New Jersey, NY Rangers, Ottawa.

Some I think are underway, but I'm not sure about...
Chicago, Columbus

That leaves 12 teams I have no clue about the progress. If you are
involved in any of the remaining teams:
Carolina, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Florida, Minnesota,
Nashville, NY Islanders, San Jose, Toronto, Vancouver and would like to
help out by kickstarting the discussions, please get in touch with me
and I'll get you in touch with the other members of that group.

Herb

----- Original Message -----

From: Herb Garbutt

To: Hockey Disk

Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:46 PM

Subject: [hockeydisk] ratings

Hey everyone,
Weekly update on ratings......

We've got 12 teams done
Anaheim, Atlanta, Boston, Calgary, Colorado, Montreal, Philadelphia,
Phoenix, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Tampa Bay and Washington.

I know the following groups are at least underway:
Buffalo, New Jersey, NY Rangers, Ottawa.

Some I think are underway, but I'm not sure about...
Chicago, Columbus

That leaves 12 teams I have no clue about the progress. If you are
involved in any of the remaining teams:
Carolina, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Florida, Minnesota,
Nashville, NY Islanders, San Jose, Toronto, Vancouver and would like to
help out by kickstarting the discussions, please get in touch with me
and I'll get you in touch with the other members of that group.

Herb

There have been quite a few groups like that so it's not a problem. It's actually a little more workable than the groups of four or five because there's always bound to be a strong contrary opinion.

Herb

Daniel Jeanson wrote:

Only 2 of our group (including myself) worked on the ratings for Edmonton. Never heard form the others. I' ve finished my review and will be sending it to the other guy (Craig) and we'll come to a consensus. Dan 

----- Original Message -----

From: Herb Garbutt

To: Hockey Disk

Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:46 PM

Subject: [hockeydisk] ratings

 

Hey everyone,
Weekly update on ratings......

We've got 12 teams done
Anaheim, Atlanta, Boston, Calgary, Colorado, Montreal, Philadelphia,
Phoenix, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Tampa Bay and Washington.

I know the following groups are at least underway:
Buffalo, New Jersey, NY Rangers, Ottawa.

Some I think are underway, but I'm not sure about...
Chicago, Columbus

That leaves 12 teams I have no clue about the progress. If you are
involved in any of the remaining teams:
Carolina, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Florida, Minnesota,
Nashville, NY Islanders, San Jose, Toronto, Vancouver and would like to
help out by kickstarting the discussions, please get in touch with me
and I'll get you in touch with the other members of that group.

Herb
 

Herb

Joe Sutherland wrote:

Herb, if you need any volunteers for any other teams, I can certainly put myself up to help.

Joe
 

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To: hockeydisk@yahoogroups.com
From: herbgarbutt@cogeco.ca
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:46:37 -0400
Subject: [hockeydisk] ratings
 
 

Hey everyone,
Weekly update on ratings......

We've got 12 teams done
Anaheim, Atlanta, Boston, Calgary, Colorado, Montreal, Philadelphia,
Phoenix, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Tampa Bay and Washington.

I know the following groups are at least underway:
Buffalo, New Jersey, NY Rangers, Ottawa.

Some I think are underway, but I'm not sure about...
Chicago, Columbus

That leaves 12 teams I have no clue about the progress. If you are
involved in any of the remaining te ams:
Carolina, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Florida, Minnesota,
Nashville, NY Islanders, San Jose, Toronto, Vancouver and would like to
help out by kickstarting the discussions, please get in touch with me
and I'll get you in touch with the other members of that group.

Herb
 
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: hockeydisk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hockeydisk@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of paul canosa
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:41 AM
To: hockeydisk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [hockeydisk] ratings

The icelanders could use some help.

I am on the ratings group, but

A I hate them
B Its quite as a mouse

despite it being bad for the disk I am somewhat happy how low the franchise has fallen :)

----- Original Message ----
From: Joe Sutherland <joesutherland@hotmail.com>
To: hockeydisk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:33:10 PM
Subject: RE: [hockeydisk] ratings

Herb, if you need any volunteers for any other teams, I can certainly put myself up to help.
 
Joe

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To: hockeydisk@yahoogro ups.com
From: herbgarbutt@ cogeco.ca
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:46:37 -0400
Subject: [hockeydisk] ratings

Hey everyone,
Weekly update on ratings..... .

We've got 12 teams done
Anaheim, Atlanta, Boston, Calgary, Colorado, Montreal, Philadelphia,
Phoenix, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Tampa Bay and Washington.

I know the following groups are at least underway:
Buffalo, New Jersey, NY Rangers, Ottawa.

Some I think are underway, but I'm not sure about...
Chicago, Columbus

That leaves 12 teams I have no clue about the progress. If you are
involved in any of the remaining teams:
Carolina, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Florida, Minnesota,
Nashville, NY Islanders, San Jose, Toronto, Vancouver and would like to
help out by kickstarting the discussions, please get in touch with me
and I'll get you in touch with the other members of that group.

Herb

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After a number of emails concerning the position list, I am considering
making an update (changes) to the listing. In past years, I probably
would have refused to do so, since I usually had 3 or 4 independent data
sources, but I've really been forced down to one source in past years
(The Hockey News) since there is little consolidated information on
positions anymore that seem to have any kind of quality to it. This had
led to issues with lesser known players, especially when THN has someone
listed for 4 weeks at LD and 2 weeks at C. On these players, I try to
dig some to see if I can find where/why this happened, and I'm not
always successful. I try to avoid giving a player an odd position (for
them) if they played one game there in an emergency situation due to
injuries. I've also been careful to avoid giving forwards a defensive
position if they play the point on the power play occasionally (the game
doesn't handle it well....and the computer coach will likely have them
out there playing regular shifts on defense...think Joe Sakic playing
regularly as a defenseman since he got rated at a defensive position due
to power play point time). I know people use the position list that I
publish to the list to make trades and start molding their team for the
upcoming season.....so I'm hesitant to mess with it. But there has been
enough noise that I am considering it.....
So, here is what I'm going to do:
I will accept suggested changes from people (many have sent them
anyway). To avoid frivolous changes, or changes people want made just so
they don't have to make a trade or fill a hole on their team, I am going
to set the bar high. Which means that all suggested changes must be
backed with hard evidence, e.g. a story in the team's hometown newspaper
where the position information is listed, a listing on a major website
(ESPN, NHL.com, etc.). Saying that you are a season ticket holder that
went to every game won't fly here....not that I don't believe you, but I
want INDEPENDENT sources. If you really follow your team that closely,
you'll have no problem backing up the info with data from your local
sportwriter's column or the team's website. Please do not suggest one
game emergency fill ins, or forwards that play point on the power play
getting a defense position.
I will then post the list of suggested changes, and the group will
decide if any of them don't seem right or should be further evaluated.
Then, I will publish the final listing. I know this holds leagues up
some, but there as been enough screaming on the final position list I
sent out that I'd rather get it right. I'd like to finalize all this in
the next 2 weeks. After that, I'll likely be beginning to test the disk
(the final reviews are nearly finished) and there will be NO position
changes after that.

        D