Hi all;  Bonhams Auction on September 19,  2008 at Goodwood Revival, Chichester,
Sussex has quite a number of interesting items. 
 
As Kirk Kvam pointed out on Wednesday, Rally Car 67 ARX, Lot No: 355 is on the
block.  The property of a titled gentleman, the ex-works, Seigle-Morris,
Makinen, Hopkirk, Morley twins, 1962 Austin-Healey 3000 MkII Rally Car
 Registration no. 67 ARX is to be sold.
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&scre\
en=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=4085450&iSaleNo=16252&iSaleSectionNo=2
 
There is also quite a number of trophy˘s to be auctioned from the rally days of
Ann Wisdom, Tommy Wisdom, and Mrs Elsie Wisdom; see from about Lot 85 to about
Lot 153
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&scre\
en=Catalogue&iSaleNo=16252
 
Finally, there is a fine and detailed scale Austin Healey 3000 Mk II child's
car; just what you always wanted.
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&scre\
en=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=4013861&iSaleNo=16252&iSaleSectionNo=1
 
Enjoy!!  --Scott Morris; Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
J. Scott Morris - Keep Smiling, Murphy Lives


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KIM (mie)

Thanks for the response and contribution to what narration, etc. I hope to do
with video and stills.

As to adding letters, you smile and are way more personnable than that
roundy-round Kimmi.
So thus I added the 'e', to go along with your self-stated  environmentally
aware   and  eco-friendly to make you Kimmie.
With due respect to JR, any other comparisons or letters such as OA and OBE are
up to you.

the DEnVIL

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**Good God! ACP is subscribed here! My hero, a fellow lawyer who has pulled
the ripcord and gone over the edge. Except he is a major rally star and I'm
not.

**Hi ACP! You have started off really strong in 2008. Keep going, man!

**Norm Murdock (pupil at ACP orientation school at Galway-Cavendish....
helped me a lot in the Group 2 Capri a couple seasons ago....  thanks
again....)

From: "Andrew Comrie-Picard" <musketeerracing@...>

> Belinda-
>
> Doug is correct about the attractions of Targa. www.targanewfoundland.com
>
> If you're asking about Portland, Maine, the next US performance rally is
> near there, July 12. www.rally-america.com
>
> Lots of good TSD in the pacific northwest, BC, and out here in Ontario.
> Other folks here would be better for references.
>
> ACP
> www.acprally.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> ----------------------------
> The Historic Rallying GroupYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


Team Blitz, 2-1/2 million Capri parts in 7 warehouses. New, Used,
Restoration, and Racing parts technology for your 1970-78 European-built
Capri. http://www.teamblitz.com

Belinda-

Doug is correct about the attractions of Targa. www.targanewfoundland.com

If you're asking about Portland, Maine, the next US performance rally is near
there, July 12. www.rally-america.com

Lots of good TSD in the pacific northwest, BC, and out here in Ontario. Other
folks here would be better for references.

ACP
www.acprally.com

Hi Belinda,

I have to get a pitch in here for Targa Newfoundland, the annual week-long
event on the Canadian island province. Depending on what you are up for (and
your car is prepared to do), you can either do the Targa competition for
fully prepared cars and lots of competition in the Classic Division (cars up
to 1981) or the very brisk Distance/Speed/Time event called Grand Touring
(that uses the same stages as the Targa event). Either way, itıs a week of
stunning scenery, challenging driving and great hospitality.

More info: www.targanewfoundland.com

Cheers,

Doug


On 6/8/08 11:17 AM, "B" <guayule444@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Am enjoying the jokes (but fear I'm a wine & cheese taster)
>
> Where can I find info on "real" U.S. rallies of which ya'll speak?  I would
> like to check one out.  I heard mention of Portland.  Which Portland, E or W
> coast and when & where is the rally?
>
> thanks
> Belinda
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Satch Carlson
>  To: historicrally@yahoogroups.com <mailto:historicrally%40yahoogroups.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:24 PM
>  Subject: [Historic Rallying] Many thanks!
>
> Many thanks to Bruddah Cooper for the Smoke Theory of electricity. Like the
>  full extant of Lucas jokes, that one has been hard to find.
>
> Joseph Lucas' last words: "Never drive at night!"
>
> The union slogan at Lucas Electrical Works: "A Good Day's Work And 'ome
>  Before Dark!"
>
> Anyway: In regard to Glenn Wallace's lackadaisical preparation for No Alibi
>  (aka Nose Halibuts): I feel yer pain. I have to get to Portland a week
>  before the rally to work on the WAY L8 car (license plate on the sister
>  ship: EVN L8R). If I remember correctly, No Alibi was the first win for this
>  Sonett several years ago, giving us delusions of adequacy which have only
>  lately begun to fade.
>
> Though it has a full FIA cage, WAY L8 is not a stage-rally car, or at least
>  not the kind of rallies suited for my old Saabs, the Model 96 Hawg of Steel
>  and the Sonett Piggue of Plastique. Fred Ankeny owns the former, his son
>  Garth the latter---and he's threatening to restore it! These days Garth
>  borrows my navigator to run stage rallies in ANOTHER Saab 96; he's built two
>  or three nice rally cars reflective of a nostalgic (if demented) era. The
>  torch (okay, the Cibie Biodes) has been passed to a new generation.
>
> On the other hand, a brisk TSD rally on snow or gravel, or a sweet tarmac
>  run like Targa Newfoundland or Targa Tasmania, gives me enough motivation to
>  get out of bed in the morning. Most mornings, anyway.
>
> Satch Carlson
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>




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Belinda,
I don't know your location, but The WDC Region of the SCCA has  scheduled the
Catoctin Monte for 9/20. The have a historic class and usually a  decent
turnout of historic cars. I ran it 4x in my MGB and found it excellent.  also,
my
Mason-Dixon Trials will have classes for vintage and historic  cars.
Len


In a message dated 6/9/2008 9:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jay.johannes@... writes:




Where can I find info on "real" U.S. rallies of which ya'll speak? I  would
like to check one out. I heard mention of Portland. Which Portland, E  or W
coast and when & where is the  rally?

thanks
Belinda

Hi Belinda,

I was kind of hoping  someone else would respond, but nobody has done so.

Satch is from the  Pacific Northwest, so he was referring to Portland Oregon.
There are a lot  of varied events run up in the Portland, Seattle and
Vancouver BC  area.

Rallying in the US is so diverse that it is difficult for me to  come up with
an analogy. Not only does every region have its flavor, but  even within a
region, each club and even rallymaster has a different  philosophy.

You can break it into several categories though. At the top  of the heap is
performance rallying- flat out on closed roads. Although  there have been
several halfhearted attempts, there are no historic  performance rallies in
the US that I know of. Next down is brisk  time-speed-distance stuff on open
roads. This is what Satch is referring to  and there are events on both
coasts and scattered in-between.

After  that is low speed events with a very high degree of precision in
timing.  Difficult to master and boring to watch. There is also trap
events, where  the rallymaster inserts tricks and tries to get you to enter
the  checkpoints at the wrong time. Finally, there are a wide variety of
gimmick  rallies that are all tricks without timing constraints.

To help steer  you toward something, it would probably be better if you told
us a general  area where you live, and we could then steer you toward an
organization and  tell you what is happening near you.


Jay Nemeth-Johannes
3420  Riverside Street
Rockford, Illinois 61103
(815) 708-0423
(970)  290-9797 (Cell)
www.SmartSensorSystwww.Smar<_http://www.smartsenhttp://www.http_
(http://www.smartsensorsystems.com/) >

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Where can I find info on "real" U.S. rallies of which ya'll speak? I would
like to check one out. I heard mention of Portland. Which Portland, E or W
coast and when & where is the rally?

thanks
Belinda

Hi Belinda,

I was kind of hoping someone else would respond, but nobody has done so.

Satch is from the Pacific Northwest, so he was referring to Portland Oregon.
There are a lot of varied events run up in the Portland, Seattle and
Vancouver BC area.

Rallying in the US is so diverse that it is difficult for me to come up with
an analogy.  Not only does every region have its flavor, but even within a
region, each club and even rallymaster has a different philosophy.

You can break it into several categories though.  At the top of the heap is
performance rallying- flat out on closed roads.  Although there have been
several halfhearted attempts, there are no historic performance rallies in
the US that I know of.  Next down is brisk time-speed-distance stuff on open
roads.  This is what Satch is referring to and there are events on both
coasts and scattered in-between.

After that is low speed events with a very high degree of precision in
timing.  Difficult to master and boring to watch.  There is also trap
events, where the rallymaster inserts tricks and tries to get you to enter
the checkpoints at the wrong time.  Finally, there are a wide variety of
gimmick rallies that are all tricks without timing constraints.

To help steer you toward something, it would probably be better if you told
us a general area where you live, and we could then steer you toward an
organization and tell you what is happening near you.


Jay Nemeth-Johannes
3420 Riverside Street
Rockford, Illinois 61103
(815) 708-0423
(970) 290-9797 (Cell)
www.SmartSensorSystems.com <http://www.smartsensorsystems.com/>



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Am enjoying the jokes (but fear I'm a wine & cheese taster)

Where can I find info on "real" U.S. rallies of which ya'll speak?  I would like
to check one out.  I heard mention of Portland.  Which Portland, E or W coast
and when & where is the rally?

thanks
Belinda

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Satch Carlson
   To: historicrally@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:24 PM
   Subject: [Historic Rallying] Many thanks!


   Many thanks to Bruddah Cooper for the Smoke Theory of electricity. Like the
   full extant of Lucas jokes, that one has been hard to find.

   Joseph Lucas' last words: "Never drive at night!"

   The union slogan at Lucas Electrical Works: "A Good Day's Work And 'ome
   Before Dark!"

   Anyway: In regard to Glenn Wallace's lackadaisical preparation for No Alibi
   (aka Nose Halibuts): I feel yer pain. I have to get to Portland a week
   before the rally to work on the WAY L8 car (license plate on the sister
   ship: EVN L8R). If I remember correctly, No Alibi was the first win for this
   Sonett several years ago, giving us delusions of adequacy which have only
   lately begun to fade.

   Though it has a full FIA cage, WAY L8 is not a stage-rally car, or at least
   not the kind of rallies suited for my old Saabs, the Model 96 Hawg of Steel
   and the Sonett Piggue of Plastique. Fred Ankeny owns the former, his son
   Garth the latter---and he's threatening to restore it! These days Garth
   borrows my navigator to run stage rallies in ANOTHER Saab 96; he's built two
   or three nice rally cars reflective of a nostalgic (if demented) era. The
   torch (okay, the Cibie Biodes) has been passed to a new generation.

   On the other hand, a brisk TSD rally on snow or gravel, or a sweet tarmac
   run like Targa Newfoundland or Targa Tasmania, gives me enough motivation to
   get out of bed in the morning. Most mornings, anyway.

   Satch Carlson

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Amazing what you can find with a bit of Googling.





A collection of Prince of Darkness jokes.





The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark."



Lucas denies having invented darkness. But they still claim "sudden, unexpected
darkness"



Lucas--inventor of the first intermittent wiper.



Lucas--inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.



The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other three switch
settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.



The original anti-theft devices--Lucas Electric products.



"I've had a Lucas pacemaker for years and have never experienced any prob...



If Lucas made guns, wars would not start either.



Did you hear about the Lucas powered torpedo? It sank.



It's not true that Lucas, in 1947, tried to get Parliament to repeal Ohm's Law.
They withdrew their efforts when they met too much
resistance.



Did you hear the one about the guy that peeked into a Land Rover and asked the
owner "How can you tell one switch from another at
night, since they all look the same?" "He replied, it doesn't matter which one
you use, nothing happens!"



Back in the '70s Lucas decided to diversify its product line and began
manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they
offered which didn't suck.



Quality Assurance phoned and advised the Engineering guy that they had trouble
with his design shorting out. So he made the wires
longer.



Why do the English drink warm beer? Lucas made the refrigerators, too.



Alexander Graham Bell invented the Telephone.

Thomas Edison invented the Light Bulb.

Joseph Lucas invented the Short Circuit.



Recommended procedure before taking on a repair of Lucas equipment: check the
position of the stars, kill a chicken and walk three
times sunwise around your car chanting: "Oh mighty Prince of Darkness protect
your unworthy servant."



Lucas systems actually uses AC current; it just has a random frequency.





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Satch, Glenn, and/or Garth,

The next time you see my father, please beg him to take one of those three
(!!) 2-stroke Saab 96s he has laying around, and get it over to Garth for a
full stage rally prep.  Or at least get one in suitable T-bird condition.
That Nissan he's running just doesn't have the style or character of 3
cylinders of raw power.

Then I can steal it to run TSD events while my Lucas "powered" MGB GT
languishes in the garage.  Today's malady:  Lucas supplied starters.

Man I love this list.

Jon Tabor


From: Satch Carlson <satch@...>
Date: 2008/05/24 Sat PM 02:24:59 CDT
To: historicrally@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Historic Rallying] Many thanks!


Many thanks to Bruddah Cooper for the Smoke Theory of electricity. Like the
full extant of Lucas jokes, that one has been hard to find.

Joseph Lucas' last words: "Never drive at night!"

The union slogan at Lucas Electrical Works: "A Good Day's Work And 'ome
Before Dark!"

Anyway: In regard to Glenn Wallace's lackadaisical preparation for No Alibi
(aka Nose Halibuts): I feel yer pain. I have to get to Portland a week
before the rally to work on the WAY L8 car (license plate on the sister
ship: EVN L8R). If I remember correctly, No Alibi was the first win for this
Sonett several years ago, giving us delusions of adequacy which have only
lately begun to fade.

Though it has a full FIA cage, WAY L8 is not a stage-rally car, or at least
not the kind of rallies suited for my old Saabs, the Model 96 Hawg of Steel
and the Sonett Piggue of Plastique. Fred Ankeny owns the former, his son
Garth the latter---and he's threatening to restore it! These days Garth
borrows my navigator to run stage rallies in ANOTHER Saab 96; he's built two
or three nice rally cars reflective of a nostalgic (if demented) era. The
torch (okay, the Cibie Biodes) has been passed to a new generation.

On the other hand, a brisk TSD rally on snow or gravel, or a sweet tarmac
run like Targa Newfoundland or Targa Tasmania, gives me enough motivation to
get out of bed in the morning. Most mornings, anyway.

Satch Carlson

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Many thanks to Bruddah Cooper for the Smoke Theory of electricity. Like the
full extant of Lucas jokes, that one has been hard to find.

Joseph Lucas' last words: "Never drive at night!"

The union slogan at Lucas Electrical Works: "A Good Day's Work And 'ome
Before Dark!"

Anyway: In regard to Glenn Wallace's lackadaisical preparation for No Alibi
(aka Nose Halibuts): I feel yer pain. I have to get to Portland a week
before the rally to work on the WAY L8 car (license plate on the sister
ship: EVN L8R). If I remember correctly, No Alibi was the first win for this
Sonett several years ago, giving us delusions of adequacy which have only
lately begun to fade.

Though it has a full FIA cage, WAY L8 is not a stage-rally car, or at least
not the kind of rallies suited for my old Saabs, the Model 96 Hawg of Steel
and the Sonett Piggue of Plastique. Fred Ankeny owns the former, his son
Garth the latter---and he's threatening to restore it! These days Garth
borrows my navigator to run stage rallies in ANOTHER Saab 96; he's built two
or three nice rally cars reflective of a nostalgic (if demented) era. The
torch (okay, the Cibie Biodes) has been passed to a new generation.

On the other hand, a brisk TSD rally on snow or gravel, or a sweet tarmac
run like Targa Newfoundland or Targa Tasmania, gives me enough motivation to
get out of bed in the morning. Most mornings, anyway.

Satch Carlson



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> Does this mean you're joining us in Historic Unlimited at No Alibi this
year? I mean, it's only been 104 degrees in Kennewick; why would we prefer
an air-conditioned all-wheel-drive BMW to a decrepit Saab Sonett?!

Well the engine is sitting in the car, with nothing hooked up yet.
And the Timewise is sitting on the roof.

I need to go buy some beer.

You asked for it - now you are going to get it.!!!

The Principles of Electricity

Out of a discourse on faults of Joseph Lucas comes the following:  "Lucas
Electrically Eccentric"; and "The reason the British drink
warm beer is that they have Lucas fridges"; and "Joseph Lucas  Prince of
darkness". These slogans and other scurrilous soubriquets,
some of which are quite unprintable, are from time to time heaped on the
shoulders of Joseph Lucas Ltd.

This is really quite unfair and displays a basic inability to comprehend the
simple principles of a motor vehicle's electrical
system.

Forget all that nonsense about magnetic fields and the flow of electrons along a
conductor, for it is just that nonsense. A myth put
about by auto electricians to support their lavish lifestyle at your expense.
The reality is SMOKE!

When you think about it, it all becomes startlingly obvious smoke makes all
electrical things function. If the smoke escapes, the
component stops working. For example, the last time you had to grovel under your
car to replace the starter motor, didn't it start
smoking just before it ceased working? Of course it did!

The wiring loom in your car carries smoke from one device to another, pumped
around the system by the dynamo or alternator, and when
the wiring springs a leak it lets all the smoke out and everything stops. The
starter motor requires lots of smoke to work properly,
so it has a very thick wire going to it.

The battery stores up lots of smoke dissolved in the battery acid which is why
they were once called accumulators until it became
apparent they we unwashed home mechanics would twig the secret. Naturally, if
you try to dissolve too much smoke in your battery it
will escape through those little holes in the top this is why those new fangled
batteries with sealed tops explode when they get too
much smoke in them.

However, with regard to Joseph Lucas and his wrongfully sullied reputation why
is he so maligned? Why are Lucas components more
likely to leak than, say Bosch, Ducellier, or Nippon Denso? Because Lucas is
British. British things always leak. British engines
leak oil, British sports cars leak rain, British hydrolastic units leak fluid
and British Governments leak military secrets. So
naturally, British electrical components leak smoke!

-----Original Message-----
From: historicrally@yahoogroups.com [mailto:historicrally@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Satch Carlson
Sent: 23 May 2008 20:04
To: historicrally@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Historic Rallying] And another thing!

Brother Wallace claims he is still afflicted with Lucas points.

Is there one source for every Lucas joke extant? I ran across one with which
I was unfamiliar recently but can't remember the exact wording. I know of
the Lucas three-position switch: Dim, Intermittent, and Off. But this was
something like a three-position Lucas switch: Spark, Smolder, and Blaze.

Satch Carlson


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Brother Wallace claims he is still afflicted with Lucas points.

Is there one source for every Lucas joke extant? I ran across one with which
I was unfamiliar recently but can't remember the exact wording. I know of
the Lucas three-position switch: Dim, Intermittent, and Off. But this was
something like a three-position Lucas switch: Spark, Smolder, and Blaze.

Satch Carlson


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> Does this mean you're joining us in Historic Unlimited at No Alibi this
> year? I mean, it's only been 104 degrees in Kennewick; why would we prefer
> an air-conditioned all-wheel-drive BMW to a decrepit Saab Sonett?!
>
> Satch Carlson


Hi Satch, don't you do the stage rallies? Or have you gracefully
transitioned to feats of regularnessity? Inquiring minds........... Norm

Team Blitz, 2-1/2 million Capri parts in 7 warehouses. New, Used,
Restoration, and Racing parts technology for your 1970-78 European-built
Capri. http://www.teamblitz.com

Glenn Wallace, speaking of Haldas 'n' stuff, say:

"I've also used it for history regularity rallying (with a Curta calculator)
in my Escort. I am not hard wired to using it for regularity rallying unless
it is a wine-cheese type historic event. If it is a regularity event like
say, Thunderbird or No Alibi, I'll happily use a non-period TimeWise 798A
and run in unlimited class."

Does this mean you're joining us in Historic Unlimited at No Alibi this
year? I mean, it's only been 104 degrees in Kennewick; why would we prefer
an air-conditioned all-wheel-drive BMW to a decrepit Saab Sonett?!

Satch Carlson

To be honest I don't care if people buy Haldas for regularity or stage rallying
(and I do both).

I use mine for stage rallying in the Cortina (it is well accurate enough, even
with speedo-drive wheelspin), and it was important to me to have period gear.
I still use Lucas points in my car, so there you go.

I've also used it for history regularity rallying (with a Curta calculator) in
my Escort. I am not hard wired to using it for regularity rallying unless it is
a wine-cheese type historic event. If it is a regularity event like say,
Thunderbird or No Alibi, I'll happily use a non-period Timewise 798A and run in
unlimited class.

I think the price jump is interesting. When they were $1000 I thought it was
crazy --- I am still happy I got mine from Len and rest assured Len, it has been
put to good use!!!!

Glenn

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**Yeah, no kidding. You're making MY point. The other guy was the one who
said rallies aren't on public roads. And that is true of some states in the
US too, which ban any form of speed competition from their public roads,
closed or not closed to regular traffic. You inferred something which was
not implied by anything I said. Norm

(Jay)By that definition, nearly EVERY rally is conducted on
> public roads.  The statement is emotionally loaded and strongly implies
> roads currently open to the public.

Team Blitz, 2-1/2 million Capri parts in 7 warehouses. New, Used,
Restoration, and Racing parts technology for your 1970-78 European-built
Capri. http://www.teamblitz.com

Oh come on now.  By that definition, nearly EVERY rally is conducted on
public roads.  The statement is emotionally loaded and strongly implies
roads currently open to the public.  Given the hoops a committee has to go
through to close the road for competition, it really isn't fair.  Besides I
can't imagine anyone creating 200 miles of special roads, and there are not
nearly enough truly private roads around.


Jay Nemeth-Johannes
3420 Riverside Street
Rockford, Illinois 61103
(815) 708-0423
(970) 290-9797 (Cell)
www.SmartSensorSystems.com <http://www.smartsensorsystems.com/>




   _____

From: historicrally@yahoogroups.com [mailto:historicrally@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Team Blitz
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:06 AM
To: historicrally@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Historic Rallying] Halda metal case Twin Master in slightly
scrappy cond...



> **Maybe on your public roads. There are several states in the US which
> specifically have *legalized* balls out race competitions on public roads.
> In fact, I heard a new state or two were added to that list in 2007.
>
* Not really true. There are several events that are run on CLOSED
highways,
> like the Silver State.
> Jay Nemeth-Johannes

**Incorrect, Jay. Um, no one ever said the "hot" sections of the rallies are

interspersed with regular traffic. Hell, LeMans is partially conducted on
public roads. Rally New York, public roads. Rally Tennessee, public roads.
Targa Newfoundland, public roads. I have about 35 more I could go on. Read
up some. Legislation, as I correctly noted, was recently passed in several
states to allow balls out competition on public roads. Those public roads
are OBVIOUSLY closed, except for transit stages which are open to regular
local public traffic, and which are actually 100% PART OF THE RALLY also.
;-)

**Norm Murdock, Rallies on public roads.

Team Blitz, 2-1/2 million Capri parts in 7 warehouses. New, Used,
Restoration, and Racing parts technology for your 1970-78 European-built
Capri. http://www.teamblit <http://www.teamblitz.com> z.com







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--- In historicrally@yahoogroups.com, "Team Blitz" <blitz@...> wrote:
>
> Who in the hell are buying these? They are antiques. It's like
buying old
> tone arms when you don't even have a phonograph player. The old
people who
> need antique rally meters are people who are fitting out antique
rally cars.
> How many of us are there? Like 200 or 300 worldwide?

Is this guy for real ?  I don't know what he means by "antique" rally
cars - in the UK, we'd use the term "antique" for something over 100
years at least.  Cars which use Haldas will be called Historics or
possibly Classics.  Sticking with the post-war cars covering the 50s
through to the 70s, there are thousands - not an elite few hundreds -
in the UK alone, let alone the rest of Europe.  Every few weekends
there are low-key historic road rallies in the UK attracting 50-100
entries.  As for Europe, the Historic Monte alone regularly gets more
than 300 entries. Then there's Le Jog, the Classic Marathon, the
Tulip, the Liege, ...  Many of them on snow, some using forests,
rarely using closed roads, all extremely challenging, with maybe
36-hour long "days" between rest halts.  Those who take part in them
tend to say they're much more challenging than historic stage rallies,
with their support crews, pacenotes, closed roads and very short
competitive sections.  Come over and try sometime - if you think
you're up to it !

> **Maybe on your public roads. There are several states in the US which
> specifically have *legalized* balls out race competitions on public roads.
> In fact, I heard a new state or two were added to that list in 2007.
>
* Not really true.  There are several events that are run on CLOSED
highways,
> like the Silver State.
> Jay Nemeth-Johannes

**Incorrect, Jay. Um, no one ever said the "hot" sections of the rallies are
interspersed with regular traffic. Hell, LeMans is partially conducted on
public roads. Rally New York, public roads. Rally Tennessee, public roads.
Targa Newfoundland, public roads. I have about 35 more I could go on. Read
up some. Legislation, as I correctly noted, was recently passed in several
states to allow balls out competition on public roads. Those public roads
are OBVIOUSLY closed, except for transit stages which are open to regular
local public traffic, and which are actually 100% PART OF THE RALLY also.
;-)

**Norm Murdock, Rallies on public roads.

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**Maybe on your public roads. There are several states in the US which
specifically have *legalized* balls out race competitions on public roads.
In fact, I heard a new state or two were added to that list in 2007.

Not really true.  There are several events that are run on CLOSED highways,
like the Silver State.

A few events have been no limits over the years, like the Cannonball and
Bull Run.  They never have a fixed course and quickly morph into something
that is all style and no substance.


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**Maybe on your public roads. There are several states in the US which
specifically have *legalized* balls out race competitions on public roads.
In fact, I heard a new state or two were added to that list in 2007.

From: "Geoff Cooper" <gwcooper@iee. <mailto:gwcooper%40iee.org> org>
Balls out stuff on the public road is now banned.

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Not a problem. Have Halda's - will travel!!!
Geoff

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Willingly! Lend me your Halda kit. LOL, ;-) Norm

From: "Geoff Cooper" <gwcooper@...>
> Ooooh want to lend me a car.
>
> **Maybe on your public roads. There are several states in the US which
> specifically have *legalized* balls out race competitions on public roads.
> In fact, I heard a new state or two were added to that list in 2007.
>
> From: "Geoff Cooper" <gwcooper@...>
> Balls out stuff on the public road is now banned.


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Willingly! Lend me your Halda kit. LOL, ;-) Norm

From: "Geoff Cooper" <gwcooper@...>
> Ooooh want to lend me a car.
>
> **Maybe on your public roads. There are several states in the US which
> specifically have *legalized* balls out race competitions on public roads.
> In fact, I heard a new state or two were added to that list in 2007.
>
> From: "Geoff Cooper" <gwcooper@...>
> Balls out stuff on the public road is now banned.


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Ooooh want to lend me a car.

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scrappy cond...

**Maybe on your public roads. There are several states in the US which
specifically have *legalized* balls out race competitions on public roads.
In fact, I heard a new state or two were added to that list in 2007.

From: "Geoff Cooper" <gwcooper@...>
Balls out stuff on the public road is now banned.

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**Maybe on your public roads. There are several states in the US which
specifically have *legalized* balls out race competitions on public roads.
In fact, I heard a new state or two were added to that list in 2007.

From: "Geoff Cooper" <gwcooper@...>
Balls out stuff on the public road is now banned.

Team Blitz, 2-1/2 million Capri parts in 7 warehouses. New, Used,
Restoration, and Racing parts technology for your 1970-78 European-built
Capri. http://www.teamblitz.com

You lot have forgotten about regularity rallies. Balls out stuff on the public
road is now banned. However try a 50kph section in
the Dolomite mountains in Italy and see how difficult it is timed to the second.
A twin master accurately calibrated is as good as
you need. I know, my navigator got all clean on the 1992 Marathon. Speed Pilots
are not accurate enough for regularities but are ace
for keeping track of time on a long transport section. You can see at a glance
whether you are ahead or behind thus avoiding
blasting through villages. Or even illegal use of mobile phones (unlike the
Dutch).
Geoff
By the way what's the ebay number of this mystical Halda I can't find it

Who said I looked down on anyone? That's a bit cheeky. Everybody can
appreciate preservation. Hell, I like to chug wine too. And Manchego cheese
is outta sight!

My POINT is you don't need a Halda to negotiate Lord March's extended
driveway, nor to negotiate a bed-n-breakfast hop-scotch.

It would be like the geezers who trot to Florida for "Fantasy Baseball
Camps" outbidding all the college and pro teams for baseball bats! One set
of people are goofing. The other set are still playing the game for real.

Norm

> You shouldn't look down on people whose enthusiasms are other than your
> own.
> At Goodwood 2 years ago I encountered a bunch of guys from Europe called
> "Slowly Sideways". I gather that they took their historic rally cars to
> demonstrations like Goodwood or to certain other events where they would
> grive a  few
> stages and withdraw. Because of them, Group B cars are not only being
> preserved, the people get to see and hear them in action.
> Len


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You shouldn't look down on people whose enthusiasms are other than your  own.
At Goodwood 2 years ago I encountered a bunch of guys from Europe called
"Slowly Sideways". I gather that they took their historic rally cars to
demonstrations like Goodwood or to certain other events where they would grive a
few
stages and withdraw. Because of them, Group B cars are not only being
preserved, the people get to see and hear them in action.
Len


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blitz@... writes:




**You and Gus are indeed correct. I did not factor in the "Wine &  Cheeser
Rallies". That's not what Glen Wallace and I do with our antique  rally cars,
however. In fact, my Capri still rallies against modern  Subarus and Toyotas,
as well as Historic  Class.









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**You and Gus are indeed correct. I did not factor in the "Wine & Cheeser
Rallies". That's not what Glen Wallace and I do with our antique rally cars,
however. In fact, my Capri still rallies against modern Subarus and Toyotas,
as well as Historic Class.

**Helmets, cages, fire suppression, tow cables, medical kit, as in REAL
rallying. Through the forest, hammer and tongs, not on a mirrored turntable
with flower petals and girls serving Moet. LOL!

**I did indeed underestimate the fatted class' appetite for the competition
gear that maybe 300 or so of us earnest rallyist actually need for our full
competition cars. Once again, the people who need the stuff get out-moneyed
by posers. Such is life I guess. We'll use a stopwatch, shrug.

From: <Lenpicton@...>

> You are underestimating the numbers. I have been buying and selling Haldas
> for over 10 years. Recently I stopped simply because the numbers on the
> ground
> are getting very thin. Historic rallying is very big in Europe. Lots of
> events  have 100 to 150 entrants. I belong to the Historic Rally Car
> Register in
> the UK.  They have over 2000 members and publish their own slick paper
> magazine.
> That's  just the UK. Then there's the show car guys who restore something
> as
> a rally car  and need a Halda to stick in there even if they never connect
> it.
> Then  there are the collectors. I could go on.
> Len
>
> In a message dated 5/21/2008 7:54:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> blitz@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Who in the hell are buying these? They are antiques. It's like buying old
> tone arms when you don't even have a phonograph player. The old people who
> need antique rally meters are people who are fitting out antique rally
> cars.
> How many of us are there? Like 200 or 300 worldwide? All vying to  buy
> 5000
> Haldas worldwide? How weird. Just weird. I don't think so. I  think there
> are
> some vested sellers (and some clueless "wall-hanger decor"  buyers) who
> are
> buying and selling to each other to keep market prices  artificially
> inflated. Norm
>
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