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#7753 From: "denis doyle" <denis@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:14 am
Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Scissor jump
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Gordon

If you have to 'show off' in warm up then you aren't really focussing on
what you should be doing - preparing YOURSELF to jump high.

Don't you think that one of the core takeoff skills in high jump IS the
'scissor' takeoff. If the only takeoff work you do is flopping you run the
risk of  developing a muscle imbalance and perhaps overuse/stress problems

Denis Doyle


----- Original Message -----
From: "gordon_loudon" <gordon_loudon@...>
To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: [HJ] Re: Scissor jump


> Hi
> It seems here in the UK that most kids at primary school (up to age 12
> yrs) will do basic high jump training using only tumbling mats for
> landing. (One inch deep?!) This means that they must land on their
> feet and the scissors is the default technique which they are taught.
>
> The youngest novice high jumpers at my local club know only the
> scissors. I get quite a few kids who turn up for ten or twenty minutes
> practise because they have a school sports day coming up or, worse,
> have been put in for the high jump at a competition to get points. I
> don't try to convert them to flop jumpers in the limited time
> available but get them to work on their scissors jump.
>
> We had two such under eleven girls who came second and third in a
> local competition with the scissors. The little bit of training paid
> off. The awful thing to see was that at least two of the girls in
> their age group had had no training whatsoever and threw themselves
> face down, head first over the bar, the way they probably do over the
> sofa at home! I was just itching to take them or their coaches aside.
> Again, these were probably reasonable track athletes who had been put
> into the high jump by their teams to try for points on the day. There
> was a slight but real risk of injury and, although at the time it was
> funny to watch, I now feel pretty indignant.
>
> I trained recently with a 21 year old bloke who was quite capable of
> scissoring 1.65 as a warm up and his PB is 2.00. I wonder if there is
> a psychological advantage to showing off with the scissors -making the
> competition think: "Oh no, what will he be able to clear when he
> starts jumping properly!"
>
> Interestingly, I naturally progressed from scissors to flop at around
> age 11 with little tuition. I found that my instinct was to put my
> head back and lie out along the bar when the height increased. (This
> was fun on one inch deep crash mats. And the teacher actually put the
> bar up and encouraged me to keep going over!) From this it was easy to
> rotate and go over head first. Most kids I see scissoring bring their
> heads down towards their driving knee, so progression might be more
> difficult.
>
> Also, the scissors approach is a basic straight line, with little that
> can go wrong. Most of my hard work seems to be getting kids to get the
> right approach for the flop. Given the time this can take, flop
> approach work should begin at day one.
>
> In summary, if you have a novice for a decent length of time, start
> them off in the flop and progress with it. Don't bother starting on
> one technique then trying to convert later. Build up the core skills
> for the flop from day one.
>
> Good Luck!
> Gordon
>
> --- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "vonlieres" <14672316@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> > just wanted to know if there is any relationship between how high
> one
> > scissors and flops.
> >
> > Also, is it important to be able to scissor a high height in order
> to
> > reach a high height in the Fosbury.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
> Bar height matters.
> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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#7752 From: "denis doyle" <denis@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:07 am
Subject: Re: [HJ] Hi Everybody!!
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Hi Jim

Welcome to the group. You will find there is a well of worldwide expertise
and knowledge in this group so you will certainly raise yourself well above
'moron' level.

Dont be too sure about not wanting to coach. It can kind of creep up on you

Denis Doyle

----- Original Message -----
From: "jim" <aqsw@...>
To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:34 PM
Subject: [HJ] Hi Everybody!!


> Just joined the group, and reading all the great posts.
>   I am not a coach or a jumper. My son started jumpng in May of this year.
>   I am not one of the fathers that wants to coach. In fact, I have
> only talked to my sons coach one time, and that was the day I met him.
> I attend all of my sons practices because I have to drive him. The
> reason I state this should be obvious.
>
>  I just want to learn some of the techniques so that Lucas (my son)
> thinks I am  not a complete moron.
>
>  I especially liked the post about squeezing the cheeks. Makes sense
> to me.
>
>  Lucas is jumping 1.8 consistently. 1.88 pb at practice. 1.85 at a meet.
>
>  He turned 15 in June of this year. He has very bad form, but we are
> hoping for the best. After all, he has only been jumping for a little
> over 6 months.
>
>  Lucas' Dad
>  Canada
>
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#7751 From: "jim" <aqsw@...>
Date: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:34 pm
Subject: Hi Everybody!!
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Just joined the group, and reading all the great posts.
   I am not a coach or a jumper. My son started jumpng in May of this year.
   I am not one of the fathers that wants to coach. In fact, I have
only talked to my sons coach one time, and that was the day I met him.
I attend all of my sons practices because I have to drive him. The
reason I state this should be obvious.

  I just want to learn some of the techniques so that Lucas (my son)
thinks I am  not a complete moron.

  I especially liked the post about squeezing the cheeks. Makes sense
to me.

  Lucas is jumping 1.8 consistently. 1.88 pb at practice. 1.85 at a meet.

  He turned 15 in June of this year. He has very bad form, but we are
hoping for the best. After all, he has only been jumping for a little
over 6 months.

  Lucas' Dad
  Canada

#7750 From: "Dave Kriz" <smac80138@...>
Date: Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:01 pm
Subject: New to site...
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Hi all!

My name is Dave Kriz.  I recognize some of the people here on the site.  I was a
7'
jumper in highschool back in 92 (Connecticut).  I then jumped at Penn State
(2.18m)
and continued to jump post collegetly at University of Northern Colorado and a
Graduate Assistant (2.19m).  Soon after my 2.19m jump in 2000, I got a hurnia,
had
surgery and hung up the shoes.  I am old and out of shape now (200lbs) but would
love to get back into jumping to see what I can do.  I am in Castle Rock, CO
teaching
Elementary P.E. and doing alot of climbing and mountaineering.  Life is not too
bad!  I
would love to hear from everyone and hope to see you at some meets in 2006!

Dave

#7749 From: "gordon_loudon" <gordon_loudon@...>
Date: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:25 am
Subject: Re: Scissor jump
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Hi
It seems here in the UK that most kids at primary school (up to age 12
yrs) will do basic high jump training using only tumbling mats for
landing. (One inch deep?!) This means that they must land on their
feet and the scissors is the default technique which they are taught.

The youngest novice high jumpers at my local club know only the
scissors. I get quite a few kids who turn up for ten or twenty minutes
practise because they have a school sports day coming up or, worse,
have been put in for the high jump at a competition to get points. I
don't try to convert them to flop jumpers in the limited time
available but get them to work on their scissors jump.

We had two such under eleven girls who came second and third in a
local competition with the scissors. The little bit of training paid
off. The awful thing to see was that at least two of the girls in
their age group had had no training whatsoever and threw themselves
face down, head first over the bar, the way they probably do over the
sofa at home! I was just itching to take them or their coaches aside.
Again, these were probably reasonable track athletes who had been put
into the high jump by their teams to try for points on the day. There
was a slight but real risk of injury and, although at the time it was
funny to watch, I now feel pretty indignant.

I trained recently with a 21 year old bloke who was quite capable of
scissoring 1.65 as a warm up and his PB is 2.00. I wonder if there is
a psychological advantage to showing off with the scissors -making the
competition think: "Oh no, what will he be able to clear when he
starts jumping properly!"

Interestingly, I naturally progressed from scissors to flop at around
age 11 with little tuition. I found that my instinct was to put my
head back and lie out along the bar when the height increased. (This
was fun on one inch deep crash mats. And the teacher actually put the
bar up and encouraged me to keep going over!) From this it was easy to
rotate and go over head first. Most kids I see scissoring bring their
heads down towards their driving knee, so progression might be more
difficult.

Also, the scissors approach is a basic straight line, with little that
can go wrong. Most of my hard work seems to be getting kids to get the
right approach for the flop. Given the time this can take, flop
approach work should begin at day one.

In summary, if you have a novice for a decent length of time, start
them off in the flop and progress with it. Don't bother starting on
one technique then trying to convert later. Build up the core skills
for the flop from day one.

Good Luck!
Gordon

--- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "vonlieres" <14672316@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
> just wanted to know if there is any relationship between how high
one
> scissors and flops.
>
> Also, is it important to be able to scissor a high height in order
to
> reach a high height in the Fosbury.
>
> Thanks
>

#7748 From: "tim johnson" <johnsont@...>
Date: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:10 pm
Subject: soto video in file folder
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hi folks,

i'm trying to use the video of sotomayor's WR in the files area, but i
can't view it or download it...

any help?

#7747 From: rao d <rao_dr2000@...>
Date: Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:56 pm
Subject: HJ-ROHINI
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i am a girl jumper (13 yera old)  and i jump 1.30 by flop.  pls let me know how i can clear 1.40 within a month.
 
thanks
 
rohini
 


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#7746 From: "MILIJANA BOJIC" <peppermint_miss@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:25 am
Subject: RE: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
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You're right Dwight.

Many young athletes burn out far too quickly here.  We've had some fantastic
youngesters but it seems that they and everyone else expects too much of
them too soon.  If they aren't constantly improving they tend to give up -
the problem my little (well I shouldn't be saying that since he's already
taller than me and I'm 6ft!) brother is having at the moment.






From: dwight@...
Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:16:54 -0700




Guys,
 
I'm somewhat loathe to get into this discussion but I believe you're
both right to a degree.  Darrell, I think you may be confusing
"power" with "strength", as power is defined as a combination of speed
and strength.  Jan Zvara was the ultimate in terms of a "strength"
jumper.  Very methodical run-up speed and gigantic thighs so he
could use his take-off leg as a huge spring.  Ultimately these
athletes have short careers because of knee/achilles injuries.
 
Tim Forsyth, to my best recollection, was a potential "power" jumper
who hadn't matured enough during his teenage years to the point where
he could use much strength.  Certainly that would have come with
age and consistency of training.  His layout was not great but
Sjoberg is an unfair comparison as he had the best layout in
history. 
 
Mogenberg didn't have such a great layout as he had incredible
kinesthetic awareness of where he was in-flight and timed his
arch/unarch perfectly to the point of passing his COG under the bar on
a number of occasions that I witnessed.  He was 6' 7 1/2" (2.02m)
tall and often took off more than 4 1/2 feet (1.35m) from the bar and
had a pretty flat parabolic flight curve on heights below 2.30m (7' 6
1/2").

As a coach I like to work with young jumpers who have a
deliberate/methodical approach velocity because it's easier to teach
them to speed up (when they're ready to) then to slow down. 
 
I think Forsyth could have been a dominant jumper but he would have
had his best years during the time that Sotomayor (the cheater) was
dominating and he might have seen that as a mountain too tall to
climb.  Also, the athletic fishbowl that is sport-mad Australia
might have been too much for a teenager and when you add chronic
injuries to the mix it becomes even more difficult to reach the
public's expectations.
 
 
Coach Stones
www.DwightStones.com

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re:
[HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
From: "Darrell Jones"
<stlouisterp@...>
Date: Tue, October 25, 2005 10:58
am
To: highjump@yahoogroups.com

Dennis,

I'm sorry you
disagree, but I have the tapes from Barcelona to prove it.  If

he had anywhere near the arch of Sjoberg, for example, he would
have been in
the 2.40+ club.  If you watch the tapes, he's
practically looking at the bar
as he goes over.  As far as
speed goes, he lacked quality run-up speed.  He
was very
controlled, I'll give you that.  Power floppers (i.e. Jan Zvara)

run slowly and then tend to accelerate the last three steps which
ultimately
helps them convert well to the vertical.  Tim's
last steps looked very
similar to his entire run-up. He ran very
methodically and didn't really hit
the plant with much power.
 Even with the bar going up, his speed didn't
improve
noticeably.  If you're going to jump 2.40 or higher you need to
have
a bit of speed going into the 'J' to take advantage of
centrifugal force.  
I'm not saying that he had awful
technique, I'm just saying that he could
have done a lot
better.


  >From: "denis doyle"
<denis@...>
  >Reply-To:
highjump@yahoogroups.com
  >To:
<highjump@yahoogroups.com>
  >Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim
Forsyth
  >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:13:54
+0100
  >
  >Darrell
  >
  >I have to disagree with you
on those comments. As an example to illustrate
  >good technique
performed with consumate control you would be hard pressed

  >to
  >find better.
  >
  >I am curious as to why do
you say he wasn't a 'power' flopper.
  >
  >Denis
Doyle
  >
  >----- Original Message -----
  >From: "Darrell
Jones" <stlouisterp@...>
  >To:
<highjump@yahoogroups.com>
  >Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005
1:23 PM
  >Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
  >
  >
  >
  > Tim could have been another Dietmar Mogenburg type athlete.
 He is very
  >tall
  > > and slender like the german
Olympic champ from 84'.  However, his
  >technique
  >
  > left a lot to be desired.  His runup was very slow, which
works well if
  >you
  > > are a power flopper and speed up
as you approach the penultimate step.  
  >He
  > >
wasn't a power flopper though.  In addition, his layout over the
bar did
  >not
  > > contain an arch whatsover.  He
practically sat over the bar on most of
  >his
  > >
attempts and yet despite these imperfections, he still cleared 2.34
in
  > > Barcelona.
  > >
  > > Dwight, I wish you
could have been Tim's coach.  It obviously helped

  >your
  > > cousin (Nordquist).
  > >
  > >
Darrell Jones
  > >
  > > >From: "Lindsay Harrison"
<wilbur_46@...>
  > > >Reply-To:
highjump@yahoogroups.com
  > > >To:
<highjump@yahoogroups.com>
  > > >Subject: Re: [HJ] Re:
Tim Forsyth
  > > >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:25:12
+1000
  > > >
  > > >DAN,
  > > >Tim is
32 now !
  > > >Here the link to his athlete profile -
although I don't think it's been
  > > >update for a few
years !
  > > >
  > >
  >
  >http://www.athletics.org.au/athletes/profiles/profile.cfm?ObjectID=269&Sear
  >chQueryString=AthleteInitial%3DF
  >
  > >
  > > >I think in the press release, he was aiming
for the qualifying height
  >of
  > > >2.21 or 2.25
roughly !
  > > >I think his best is behind him, but still at
those heights would be
  > > >competitive in the Commonwealth
Games !
  > > >Good on him, for having "another crack at
it"
  > > >Lindsay
  > > >
  > > >-----
Original Message -----
  > > >From: "DAN"
<danthegod@...>
  > > >To:
<highjump@yahoogroups.com>
  > > >Sent: Saturday,
October 22, 2005 2:00 PM
  > > >Subject: [HJ] Re: Tim
Forsyth
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  >
  > > > > Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his
7'8 jump on my computer
  > > > > from Barcelona in 1992!
Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
  > > > > by
now...
  > > > >
  > > > > --- In
highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison"
<wilbur_46@c...>
  > > > > wrote:
  > > >
  >>
  > > > >> Just thought I'd mention this
announcement that came out the other
  > > > >
day!
  > > > >>
  > > > >> Tim Forsyth
(Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
  > >
  > > birth in
  > > > >> the Australian
Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
  > >
  > > jumped
  > > > >> since Sydney 2000 - where
he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
  > > > >
operations
  > > > >> on it, but it obviously isn't
100%, as he has swapped to jumping
  > > > > from
the
  > > > >> other foot.  Will be interesting to
see how he goes  :-)
  > > > >>
  > > >
  >> Lindsay
  > > > >>
  > > >
  >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > >
  >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > >
  >
  > > > > wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
  > > > >
Bar height matters.
  > > > > wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
  >
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#7745 From: "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@...>
Date: Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:13 am
Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
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Dam!!!!

Don't we all wish we had such imperfect jumping techniques - and still have
a 2.36 PB !!
Let's hope with his changing of take off leg, that his technique is better
for it.

Lindsay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Jones" <stlouisterp@...>
To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth


> Tim could have been another Dietmar Mogenburg type athlete.  He is very
> tall
> and slender like the german Olympic champ from 84'.  However, his
> technique
> left a lot to be desired.  His runup was very slow, which works well if
> you
> are a power flopper and speed up as you approach the penultimate step.  He
> wasn't a power flopper though.  In addition, his layout over the bar did
> not
> contain an arch whatsover.  He practically sat over the bar on most of his
> attempts and yet despite these imperfections, he still cleared 2.34 in
> Barcelona.
>
> Dwight, I wish you could have been Tim's coach.  It obviously helped your
> cousin (Nordquist).
>
> Darrell Jones
>
>>From: "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@...>
>>Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
>>Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:25:12 +1000
>>
>>DAN,
>>Tim is 32 now !
>>Here the link to his athlete profile - although I don't think it's been
>>update for a few years !
>>
>>http://www.athletics.org.au/athletes/profiles/profile.cfm?ObjectID=269&SearchQ\
ueryString=AthleteInitial%3DF
>>
>>I think in the press release, he was aiming for the qualifying height of
>>2.21 or 2.25 roughly !
>>I think his best is behind him, but still at those heights would be
>>competitive in the Commonwealth Games !
>>Good on him, for having "another crack at it"
>>Lindsay
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "DAN" <danthegod@...>
>>To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:00 PM
>>Subject: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his 7'8 jump on my computer
>> > from Barcelona in 1992! Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
>> > by now...
>> >
>> > --- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@c...>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other
>> > day!
>> >>
>> >> Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
>> > birth in
>> >> the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
>> > jumped
>> >> since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
>> > operations
>> >> on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping
>> > from the
>> >> other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)
>> >>
>> >> Lindsay
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
>> > Bar height matters.
>> > wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
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#7744 From: dwight@...
Date: Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:16 pm
Subject: RE: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
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Guys,
 
I'm somewhat loathe to get into this discussion but I believe you're both right to a degree.  Darrell, I think you may be confusing "power" with "strength", as power is defined as a combination of speed and strength.  Jan Zvara was the ultimate in terms of a "strength" jumper.  Very methodical run-up speed and gigantic thighs so he could use his take-off leg as a huge spring.  Ultimately these athletes have short careers because of knee/achilles injuries.
 
Tim Forsyth, to my best recollection, was a potential "power" jumper who hadn't matured enough during his teenage years to the point where he could use much strength.  Certainly that would have come with age and consistency of training.  His layout was not great but Sjoberg is an unfair comparison as he had the best layout in history. 
 
Mogenberg didn't have such a great layout as he had incredible kinesthetic awareness of where he was in-flight and timed his arch/unarch perfectly to the point of passing his COG under the bar on a number of occasions that I witnessed.  He was 6' 7 1/2" (2.02m) tall and often took off more than 4 1/2 feet (1.35m) from the bar and had a pretty flat parabolic flight curve on heights below 2.30m (7' 6 1/2").

As a coach I like to work with young jumpers who have a deliberate/methodical approach velocity because it's easier to teach them to speed up (when they're ready to) then to slow down. 
 
I think Forsyth could have been a dominant jumper but he would have had his best years during the time that Sotomayor (the cheater) was dominating and he might have seen that as a mountain too tall to climb.  Also, the athletic fishbowl that is sport-mad Australia might have been too much for a teenager and when you add chronic injuries to the mix it becomes even more difficult to reach the public's expectations.
 
 
Coach Stones

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
From: "Darrell Jones" <stlouisterp@...>
Date: Tue, October 25, 2005 10:58 am
To: highjump@yahoogroups.com

Dennis,

I'm sorry you disagree, but I have the tapes from Barcelona to prove it.  If
he had anywhere near the arch of Sjoberg, for example, he would have been in
the 2.40+ club.  If you watch the tapes, he's practically looking at the bar
as he goes over.  As far as speed goes, he lacked quality run-up speed.  He
was very controlled, I'll give you that.  Power floppers (i.e. Jan Zvara)
run slowly and then tend to accelerate the last three steps which ultimately
helps them convert well to the vertical.  Tim's last steps looked very
similar to his entire run-up. He ran very methodically and didn't really hit
the plant with much power.  Even with the bar going up, his speed didn't
improve noticeably.  If you're going to jump 2.40 or higher you need to have
a bit of speed going into the 'J' to take advantage of centrifugal force.  
I'm not saying that he had awful technique, I'm just saying that he could
have done a lot better.


>From: "denis doyle" <denis@...>
>Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
>To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:13:54 +0100
>
>Darrell
>
>I have to disagree with you on those comments. As an example to illustrate
>good technique performed with consumate control you would be hard pressed
>to
>find better.
>
>I am curious as to why do you say he wasn't a 'power' flopper.
>
>Denis Doyle
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Darrell Jones" <stlouisterp@...>
>To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
>
>
> > Tim could have been another Dietmar Mogenburg type athlete.  He is very
>tall
> > and slender like the german Olympic champ from 84'.  However, his
>technique
> > left a lot to be desired.  His runup was very slow, which works well if
>you
> > are a power flopper and speed up as you approach the penultimate step.  
>He
> > wasn't a power flopper though.  In addition, his layout over the bar did
>not
> > contain an arch whatsover.  He practically sat over the bar on most of
>his
> > attempts and yet despite these imperfections, he still cleared 2.34 in
> > Barcelona.
> >
> > Dwight, I wish you could have been Tim's coach.  It obviously helped
>your
> > cousin (Nordquist).
> >
> > Darrell Jones
> >
> > >From: "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@...>
> > >Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
> > >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:25:12 +1000
> > >
> > >DAN,
> > >Tim is 32 now !
> > >Here the link to his athlete profile - although I don't think it's been
> > >update for a few years !
> > >
> >
> >http://www.athletics.org.au/athletes/profiles/profile.cfm?ObjectID=269&Sear
>chQueryString=AthleteInitial%3DF
> > >
> > >I think in the press release, he was aiming for the qualifying height
>of
> > >2.21 or 2.25 roughly !
> > >I think his best is behind him, but still at those heights would be
> > >competitive in the Commonwealth Games !
> > >Good on him, for having "another crack at it"
> > >Lindsay
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "DAN" <danthegod@...>
> > >To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:00 PM
> > >Subject: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his 7'8 jump on my computer
> > > > from Barcelona in 1992! Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
> > > > by now...
> > > >
> > > > --- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@c...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other
> > > > day!
> > > >>
> > > >> Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
> > > > birth in
> > > >> the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
> > > > jumped
> > > >> since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
> > > > operations
> > > >> on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping
> > > > from the
> > > >> other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> Lindsay
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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#7743 From: "Darrell Jones" <stlouisterp@...>
Date: Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
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Dennis,

I'm sorry you disagree, but I have the tapes from Barcelona to prove it.  If
he had anywhere near the arch of Sjoberg, for example, he would have been in
the 2.40+ club.  If you watch the tapes, he's practically looking at the bar
as he goes over.  As far as speed goes, he lacked quality run-up speed.  He
was very controlled, I'll give you that.  Power floppers (i.e. Jan Zvara)
run slowly and then tend to accelerate the last three steps which ultimately
helps them convert well to the vertical.  Tim's last steps looked very
similar to his entire run-up. He ran very methodically and didn't really hit
the plant with much power.  Even with the bar going up, his speed didn't
improve noticeably.  If you're going to jump 2.40 or higher you need to have
a bit of speed going into the 'J' to take advantage of centrifugal force.
I'm not saying that he had awful technique, I'm just saying that he could
have done a lot better.


>From: "denis doyle" <denis@...>
>Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
>To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:13:54 +0100
>
>Darrell
>
>I have to disagree with you on those comments. As an example to illustrate
>good technique performed with consumate control you would be hard pressed
>to
>find better.
>
>I am curious as to why do you say he wasn't a 'power' flopper.
>
>Denis Doyle
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Darrell Jones" <stlouisterp@...>
>To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
>
>
> > Tim could have been another Dietmar Mogenburg type athlete.  He is very
>tall
> > and slender like the german Olympic champ from 84'.  However, his
>technique
> > left a lot to be desired.  His runup was very slow, which works well if
>you
> > are a power flopper and speed up as you approach the penultimate step.
>He
> > wasn't a power flopper though.  In addition, his layout over the bar did
>not
> > contain an arch whatsover.  He practically sat over the bar on most of
>his
> > attempts and yet despite these imperfections, he still cleared 2.34 in
> > Barcelona.
> >
> > Dwight, I wish you could have been Tim's coach.  It obviously helped
>your
> > cousin (Nordquist).
> >
> > Darrell Jones
> >
> > >From: "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@...>
> > >Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
> > >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:25:12 +1000
> > >
> > >DAN,
> > >Tim is 32 now !
> > >Here the link to his athlete profile - although I don't think it's been
> > >update for a few years !
> > >
> >
> >http://www.athletics.org.au/athletes/profiles/profile.cfm?ObjectID=269&Sear
>chQueryString=AthleteInitial%3DF
> > >
> > >I think in the press release, he was aiming for the qualifying height
>of
> > >2.21 or 2.25 roughly !
> > >I think his best is behind him, but still at those heights would be
> > >competitive in the Commonwealth Games !
> > >Good on him, for having "another crack at it"
> > >Lindsay
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "DAN" <danthegod@...>
> > >To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:00 PM
> > >Subject: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his 7'8 jump on my computer
> > > > from Barcelona in 1992! Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
> > > > by now...
> > > >
> > > > --- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@c...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other
> > > > day!
> > > >>
> > > >> Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
> > > > birth in
> > > >> the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
> > > > jumped
> > > >> since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
> > > > operations
> > > >> on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping
> > > > from the
> > > >> other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> Lindsay
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
> > > > Bar height matters.
> > > > wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
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#7742 From: "denis doyle" <denis@...>
Date: Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:13 pm
Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
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Darrell

I have to disagree with you on those comments. As an example to illustrate
good technique performed with consumate control you would be hard pressed to
find better.

I am curious as to why do you say he wasn't a 'power' flopper.

Denis Doyle

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Jones" <stlouisterp@...>
To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth


> Tim could have been another Dietmar Mogenburg type athlete.  He is very
tall
> and slender like the german Olympic champ from 84'.  However, his
technique
> left a lot to be desired.  His runup was very slow, which works well if
you
> are a power flopper and speed up as you approach the penultimate step.  He
> wasn't a power flopper though.  In addition, his layout over the bar did
not
> contain an arch whatsover.  He practically sat over the bar on most of his
> attempts and yet despite these imperfections, he still cleared 2.34 in
> Barcelona.
>
> Dwight, I wish you could have been Tim's coach.  It obviously helped your
> cousin (Nordquist).
>
> Darrell Jones
>
> >From: "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@...>
> >Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
> >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:25:12 +1000
> >
> >DAN,
> >Tim is 32 now !
> >Here the link to his athlete profile - although I don't think it's been
> >update for a few years !
> >
>
>http://www.athletics.org.au/athletes/profiles/profile.cfm?ObjectID=269&Sear
chQueryString=AthleteInitial%3DF
> >
> >I think in the press release, he was aiming for the qualifying height of
> >2.21 or 2.25 roughly !
> >I think his best is behind him, but still at those heights would be
> >competitive in the Commonwealth Games !
> >Good on him, for having "another crack at it"
> >Lindsay
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "DAN" <danthegod@...>
> >To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:00 PM
> >Subject: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his 7'8 jump on my computer
> > > from Barcelona in 1992! Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
> > > by now...
> > >
> > > --- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other
> > > day!
> > >>
> > >> Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
> > > birth in
> > >> the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
> > > jumped
> > >> since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
> > > operations
> > >> on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping
> > > from the
> > >> other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)
> > >>
> > >> Lindsay
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
> > > Bar height matters.
> > > wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
> Bar height matters.
> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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#7741 From: "Darrell Jones" <stlouisterp@...>
Date: Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
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Tim could have been another Dietmar Mogenburg type athlete.  He is very tall
and slender like the german Olympic champ from 84'.  However, his technique
left a lot to be desired.  His runup was very slow, which works well if you
are a power flopper and speed up as you approach the penultimate step.  He
wasn't a power flopper though.  In addition, his layout over the bar did not
contain an arch whatsover.  He practically sat over the bar on most of his
attempts and yet despite these imperfections, he still cleared 2.34 in
Barcelona.

Dwight, I wish you could have been Tim's coach.  It obviously helped your
cousin (Nordquist).

Darrell Jones

>From: "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@...>
>Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
>To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
>Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:25:12 +1000
>
>DAN,
>Tim is 32 now !
>Here the link to his athlete profile - although I don't think it's been
>update for a few years !
>
>http://www.athletics.org.au/athletes/profiles/profile.cfm?ObjectID=269&SearchQu\
eryString=AthleteInitial%3DF
>
>I think in the press release, he was aiming for the qualifying height of
>2.21 or 2.25 roughly !
>I think his best is behind him, but still at those heights would be
>competitive in the Commonwealth Games !
>Good on him, for having "another crack at it"
>Lindsay
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "DAN" <danthegod@...>
>To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:00 PM
>Subject: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
>
>
> >
> > Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his 7'8 jump on my computer
> > from Barcelona in 1992! Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
> > by now...
> >
> > --- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@c...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other
> > day!
> >>
> >> Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
> > birth in
> >> the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
> > jumped
> >> since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
> > operations
> >> on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping
> > from the
> >> other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)
> >>
> >> Lindsay
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
> > Bar height matters.
> > wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

#7740 From: "scpdxor" <scpdxor@...>
Date: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:49 pm
Subject: Gil Cruter
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Old press release that I noticed the other day ... this guy had quiet
a career and quit a life....

BOULDER—The University of Colorado is mourning one of its first great
athletic performers and overall ambassadors with the death of Gil
Cruter last week.

Cruter, a member of the second class inducted into CU's Athletic Hall
of Fame in 1999, passed away in a Denver nursing home at the age of
90.

One of the first two African-American varsity student-athletes in
Colorado history, he enjoyed a storied collegiate career and then
became one of the first international ambassadors of all sports in
working as a diplomat for the U.S. State Department.

Cruter accomplished what a precious few can ever say; he set a world
record.  And he did it twice.  In 1936, as a member of the CU track
team, he cleared 6-feet, 8¾-inches in the high jump to set the record
that lasted less than a month. He then reclaimed the record with a 6-
foot, 10-inch effort in Salt Lake City two years later.

#7739 From: "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@...>
Date: Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:27 pm
Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
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Good guess Dwight - 32 !
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Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth

Unless I'm mistaken Forsyth was just 18 in Barcelona which would make him 31 now.  Certainly not too late if he's able to overcome all his injury problems and get remotivated.
 
He's a perfect example of why I don't get too excited over young phenoms like Andra Manson.  These guys rarely improve and/or dominate an event.  How many can you name who were "flashes in the pan?"
 
 
Coach Stones

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
From: "MILIJANA BOJIC" <peppermint_miss@...>
Date: Fri, October 21, 2005 9:12 pm
To: highjump@yahoogroups.com

he's the same age as dragutin topic isnt he? and he's still jumping. they're
both in their mid 30s.. maybe 36?

altho here in aust we haven't heard much abt tim for ages, except when he
does coaching clinics.





From: "DAN" <danthegod@...>
Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:00:19 -0000


Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his 7'8 jump on my computer
from Barcelona in 1992! Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
by now...

--- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@c...>
wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other
day!
>
> Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
birth in
> the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
jumped
> since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
operations
> on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping
from the
> other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)
>
> Lindsay
>




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#7738 From: "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@...>
Date: Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
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DAN,
Tim is 32 now !
Here the link to his athlete profile - although I don't think it's been
update for a few years !

http://www.athletics.org.au/athletes/profiles/profile.cfm?ObjectID=269&SearchQue\
ryString=AthleteInitial%3DF

I think in the press release, he was aiming for the qualifying height of
2.21 or 2.25 roughly !
I think his best is behind him, but still at those heights would be
competitive in the Commonwealth Games !
Good on him, for having "another crack at it"
Lindsay

----- Original Message -----
From: "DAN" <danthegod@...>
To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth


>
> Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his 7'8 jump on my computer
> from Barcelona in 1992! Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
> by now...
>
> --- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@c...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other
> day!
>>
>> Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
> birth in
>> the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
> jumped
>> since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
> operations
>> on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping
> from the
>> other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)
>>
>> Lindsay
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
> Bar height matters.
> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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>
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#7737 From: dwight@...
Date: Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:08 am
Subject: RE: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
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Unless I'm mistaken Forsyth was just 18 in Barcelona which would make him 31 now.  Certainly not too late if he's able to overcome all his injury problems and get remotivated.
 
He's a perfect example of why I don't get too excited over young phenoms like Andra Manson.  These guys rarely improve and/or dominate an event.  How many can you name who were "flashes in the pan?"
 
 
Coach Stones

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Subject: RE: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
From: "MILIJANA BOJIC" <peppermint_miss@...>
Date: Fri, October 21, 2005 9:12 pm
To: highjump@yahoogroups.com

he's the same age as dragutin topic isnt he? and he's still jumping. they're
both in their mid 30s.. maybe 36?

altho here in aust we haven't heard much abt tim for ages, except when he
does coaching clinics.





From: "DAN" <danthegod@...>
Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:00:19 -0000


Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his 7'8 jump on my computer
from Barcelona in 1992! Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
by now...

--- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@c...>
wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other
day!
>
> Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
birth in
> the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
jumped
> since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
operations
> on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping
from the
> other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)
>
> Lindsay
>




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#7736 From: "MILIJANA BOJIC" <peppermint_miss@...>
Date: Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:12 am
Subject: RE: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
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he's the same age as dragutin topic isnt he? and he's still jumping. they're
both in their mid 30s.. maybe 36?

altho here in aust we haven't heard much abt tim for ages, except when he
does coaching clinics.





From: "DAN" <danthegod@...>
Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HJ] Re: Tim Forsyth
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:00:19 -0000


Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his 7'8 jump on my computer
from Barcelona in 1992! Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
by now...

--- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@c...>
wrote:
  >
  > Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other
day!
  >
  > Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
birth in
  > the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
jumped
  > since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
operations
  > on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping
from the
  > other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)
  >
  > Lindsay
  >

#7735 From: "MILIJANA BOJIC" <peppermint_miss@...>
Date: Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:10 am
Subject: RE: [HJ] Re: Scissor jump
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I tend to think the opposite, it's important to keep kids scissoring for as
long as possible, because if they teach themselves the flop at a young age
they tend to keep their technique flaws for a lont time or even forever.
With scissors there isn't so much technique that they can get wrong







From: "weiareinboud" <atalanta@...>
Reply-To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
To: highjump@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HJ] Re: Scissor jump
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:20:08 -0000

Often the scizzors are used as a first start for learning the flop, but I do
not do that. I am
even against it because some aspects of the scizzors and flop are about the
same, but others
are contrary. I have seen too many kids who had very much difficulties to
learn a good flop
because some aspects of the scizzors remained in their technique.

Weia

  > Hi there,
  > just wanted to know if there is any relationship between how high one
  > scissors and flops.
  >
  > Also, is it important to be able to scissor a high height in order to
  > reach a high height in the Fosbury.
  >
  > Thanks
  >

#7734 From: "DAN" <danthegod@...>
Date: Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:00 am
Subject: Re: Tim Forsyth
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Whoa. How old is he now? I still have his 7'8 jump on my computer
from Barcelona in 1992! Even if he was 20 then he'd be at least 34
by now...

--- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@c...>
wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other
day!
>
> Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a
birth in
> the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't
jumped
> since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3
operations
> on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping
from the
> other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)
>
> Lindsay
>

#7733 From: "weiareinboud" <atalanta@...>
Date: Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: Scissor jump
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Often the scizzors are used as a first start for learning the flop, but I do not
do that. I am
even against it because some aspects of the scizzors and flop are about the
same, but others
are contrary. I have seen too many kids who had very much difficulties to learn
a good flop
because some aspects of the scizzors remained in their technique.

Weia

> Hi there,
> just wanted to know if there is any relationship between how high one
> scissors and flops.
>
> Also, is it important to be able to scissor a high height in order to
> reach a high height in the Fosbury.
>
> Thanks
>

#7732 From: "denis doyle" <denis@...>
Date: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:48 am
Subject: Re: [HJ] Scissor jump
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Researchers and theorists will point to a potential differential of around
25cms in favour of the flop. However the other more important issue you do
have to consider though is still being able to leave the bar on the pegs.

As to your second point - no its not necessary.

Denis Doyle

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From: "vonlieres" <14672316@...>
To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject: [HJ] Scissor jump


> Hi there,
> just wanted to know if there is any relationship between how high one
> scissors and flops.
>
> Also, is it important to be able to scissor a high height in order to
> reach a high height in the Fosbury.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

#7731 From: "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@...>
Date: Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [HJ] Scissor jump
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Hi,
I'm by no means as expert as many on this HJ Forum, but in answer to your
question, I believe the answer is yes !

As a general rule, someone jumping say 1.60m should be able to scizzor
somewhere between 1.30 - 1.40.
I believe the Stephan Holms of this world scizzor over 2m, and they are
flopping up around 2.35 - 2.40.
So I'd say that you should be able to flop around 20 - 30cm higher than your
scizzor!

This is because the knee drive from the take off is such an important part
of both the scizzor and the flop.
Probably all coaches do scizzors drills with their athletes as part of their
training!

Lindsay

----- Original Message -----
From: "vonlieres" <14672316@...>
To: <highjump@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:38 PM
Subject: [HJ] Scissor jump


> Hi there,
> just wanted to know if there is any relationship between how high one
> scissors and flops.
>
> Also, is it important to be able to scissor a high height in order to
> reach a high height in the Fosbury.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
> Bar height matters.
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#7730 From: "vonlieres" <14672316@...>
Date: Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:38 am
Subject: Scissor jump
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Hi there,
just wanted to know if there is any relationship between how high one
scissors and flops.

Also, is it important to be able to scissor a high height in order to
reach a high height in the Fosbury.

Thanks

#7729 From: "Lindsay Harrison" <wilbur_46@...>
Date: Sun Oct 9, 2005 12:37 pm
Subject: Tim Forsyth
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Just thought I'd mention this announcement that came out the other day!

Tim Forsyth (Australia) has indicated that he will be trying for a birth in
the Australian Commonwealth Games team for March 2006.  Tim hasn't jumped
since Sydney 2000 - where he had an ankle injury.  He has had 3 operations
on it, but it obviously isn't 100%, as he has swapped to jumping from the
other foot.  Will be interesting to see how he goes  :-)

Lindsay

#7727 From: madhops245@...
Date: Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:18 pm
Subject: Re: [HJ] high hurdles
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Dear Friends:
 
I'm in my off season and have time to do some things that I have been wanting to do for a while now. I have an opportunity to make a High Jump instructional video. Also to redo my web site to make it more fan friendly and High Jumper friendly. If you have any ideas about the High Jump instructional video or my web site (things you want to know, things you want to see, etc..) I would greatly appreciate the feed back. Hope all is well good luck and Jump High....

Jamie Nieto

#7726 From: "weiareinboud" <atalanta@...>
Date: Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: the other leg
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It is indeed interesting to start to learn jumping afresh with much
more knowledge from the beginning and without all kinds of
automatised technical flaws.

Weia

> Hi Weia,
>
> Hope your knee gets better. Injuries are not fun.
> I hurt my back jumping by planting my takeoff
> foot with my knee straight in 1984. This resulted
> in my left leg stopping abruptly and twisting my
> lower back with the inertia of the rest of my body.
>
> When I recovered from the injury I discovered that
> I could jump, but the pain the following days was
> too much. That's when I switched takeoff legs.
>
> For me, it was a good move. I found that I was
> starting fresh, without any of my old bad habits.
> My right leg was not as strong, but having fewer
> technique flaws nearly made up the difference.
>
> ~~~~

#7725 From: "~~~~ Stone" <gstone@...>
Date: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:03 am
Subject: Re: the other leg
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Hi Weia,

Hope your knee gets better. Injuries are not fun.
I hurt my back jumping by planting my takeoff
foot with my knee straight in 1984. This resulted
in my left leg stopping abruptly and twisting my
lower back with the inertia of the rest of my body.

When I recovered from the injury I discovered that
I could jump, but the pain the following days was
too much. That's when I switched takeoff legs.

For me, it was a good move. I found that I was
starting fresh, without any of my old bad habits.
My right leg was not as strong, but having fewer
technique flaws nearly made up the difference.

~~~~

#7724 From: "Joe Faust" <joefaust333@...>
Date: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:46 pm
Subject: RE: [HJ] the other leg
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#7723 From: "weiareinboud" <atalanta@...>
Date: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:01 pm
Subject: the other leg
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Last year I missed half a year of training, couldn't even jog or do
a warm up. (See the inside of my knees
at:http://www.antenna.nl/weia/patella.html.) In january I decided
to jump with the other leg and learn the thing from scratch. It was
difficult often. In the beginning the landing on the pit even was
painful because I automatically did the wrong actions to make
the landing softer. Wanting long-short last strides and doing
short-long. Etcetera.
I am curious of other high jumpers who changed legs and what
their experiences were.
At the masters worlds I nearly missed the world record W55 with
the wrong leg and that was the first competition where I had the
feeling that things were becoming OK , but I am still far away
from where I want to be...

Weia

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