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Re: scissors

I respectfully have to disagree with your points unless a jumper is
spending half their workout doing scissors jumps. I'm talking about
doing maybe 5 or so scissors at the beginning of whatever jumping
workout we might be doing, which don't think is enough to promote bad
habits such as not getting hips up or causing slow rotation. If that
were the case I wouldn't want my jumpers playing basketball since
doing layups would cause a lot more problems.

Although, I would say that at a certain skill level it's not as
important a drill to do since I don't have to worry as much about them
jumping up as I did when they were first learning. I still like it at
the beginning of certain jump workouts (not all) for the jumpers to
get the feel of jumping straight up. Even experience jumpers tend to
lean in at take off at times, since they ultimately need to get into
the pit.

Monty Forthun

--- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "weiareinboud" <atalanta@...> wrote:
>
> The verticality is a good thing but there are drawbacks too. Some
technical aspects that
> are good for scissor jumping are faults in the flop. So some jumpers
who often do the
> scissors grow into faults that are difficult to get out. Mostly:
take-off with a non-stretched
> hip (leading to too few rotation over the bar), stretched swing leg
(leading to slow
> rotations, too slow, except for those jumping 2.30 or so). Maybe a
third thing should be
> mentioned: doing the scissors you fixate the bar with your eyes,
doing the flop I think it is
> better to just make that parabola and do not control the bar.
> From a certain age I personally think scissor jumping isn't a good
thing anymore. That
> certain age maybe is around 15, when they are jumping high enough to
not become a
> dive-into-the-pit-jumper. The reverse of course isn't true: there
are some very good flop
> technicians who can use scissors in their training or warming-up
without learning bad
> habits. Tia Hellbaut to mention someone.
>
> By the way, I happened to be a very bad straddler and so used to do
competition jumps
> with scissors. Only in my second track career I really learned to
flop, still not perfect...
>
> Weia (W57)
>
>
> > I personally like to use the scissors jump as a warmup (scissors,
> > 3-step, 5-step, then full), but more importantly it's a good drill to
> > get the jumpers thinking only about jumping vertically. Once you add
> > the layout to clear a bar they think more about "getting into the pit"
> > than jumping up (at least with inexperienced jumpers). I also like to
> > do rim or net touches or if the jumper is capable volleyball dunks to
> > change up the jumping workouts, do something fun, yet concentrate on
> > vertical jumping.
> >
> > Monty Forthun
> >
> > --- In highjump@yahoogroups.com, "bhscoach3" <bhscoach3@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all. Just a quick question. What is the purpose of scissor
jumps in
> > > practice and what does it accomplish? thanks
> > >
> >
>





Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:38 pm

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The verticality is a good thing but there are drawbacks too. Some technical aspects that are good for scissor jumping are faults in the flop. So some jumpers...
weiareinboud
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Feb 22, 2008
10:25 pm

I respectfully have to disagree with your points unless a jumper is spending half their workout doing scissors jumps. I'm talking about doing maybe 5 or so...
LaMonte Forthun
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Feb 25, 2008
3:57 am

Well, I mostly have always used it as a warm up before any jumping workout, But Mainly me and my coach use the scissors drill to emphasize the High Knee Drive...
bayojumps
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Feb 25, 2008
4:04 pm

In my opinion, the big problem with scissors jumping in warm-up is not jumping with this style in itself, it is with the use of a curved approach when...
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Feb 25, 2008
4:14 pm

When we do scissors jumps its always 3-step on a straight line (I notice I never mentioned the number of steps before). Again, as I've tried to clarify, we...
LaMonte Forthun
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Feb 25, 2008
6:54 pm

Hi Coach A scissor jump is best describes a the fundamental jump takeoff action. At a basic level it teaches / establishes / helps re-establish synchronisation...
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Feb 21, 2008
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Some thoughts If they have done a dynamic warm up, which is sound practice, why then is there a need to follow with static stretches. I would only recommend...
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Mar 1, 2008
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Dennis, They usually do static stretching because they want to, at some point athletes have to make a few decisions on their own and if they want to stretch...
LaMonte Forthun
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Mar 1, 2008
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... I think it depends. Denis gives an example of someone able to make a nice transition from scissors to flop and there are more jumpers ho will be able to...
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Mar 1, 2008
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I have been told I had an unusual style. I went from a scissors approach that developed into a flop while in the air. I had no proper training, my style just...
azdendude
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Mar 2, 2008
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Using a scissor to emphasise 'knee drive' can lead to problems as it will tend to force the hips backwards and down in the takeoff. Denis Doyle ... From:...
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Mar 1, 2008
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Hi Monty I am afraid that the first two technical points Weia makes in relation to scissoring an the flop are accurate. Novices are far more likely to occur ...
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Mar 1, 2008
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Hi Glen On a related topic I posted this couple of years ago ".... many years ago I watched Jorg Freimuth (DDR) 1980 Olympic bronze medallist compete at...
denis doyle
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Mar 1, 2008
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Hi Denis & Weia, Good to see you both back. It's been very quiet on the forum over the winter. You both make good points. My frame of reference is in "basic ...
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Mar 3, 2008
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... Yes there was so few activity that I almost forgot the existence of the list... I see I posted pictures of some young boys in the Photos-files. The boy...
weiareinboud
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Mar 5, 2008
3:24 pm

Hi Dennis Interesting photos. The first appears to show you jumping off the inside leg. Is that what you did? Denis Doyle ... From: "azdendude"...
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Mar 2, 2008
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Indeed, the inner leg...! I once wondered why we should use the outer leg in the flop. With straddle and scissors it is natural (obliged) to use the inner...
weiareinboud
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Mar 3, 2008
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Yes , I wouldn't have it any other way. I tried to scissor but like a cat I just seemed to flip over. It turned out to be the best way for me. ... From: denis...
dennis deloach
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Mar 3, 2008
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hey dennis i was just looking up golden west champion's and i saw alot of familur names including your old man. wow,that big time homey,congrat's! kerrymyers ...
kerry myers
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Mar 4, 2008
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Thanks Kerry, All the other jumpers had a bad day and I took advantage. How come you didn't show up at all comer's meets at Berkeley? You might recognize a...
dennis deloach
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Mar 6, 2008
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it was john morris! he jumped 7'5. at Cal. you saw mo,what! Dude you jumped 6'10 and was sixteen, you were way ahead of me. 6'4" was all i could handle,hadn't...
kerry myers
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Mar 7, 2008
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John Morris. (2.32m PR) at the 1990 Nationals at Cerritos. Coach Stones www.DwightStones.com ... Thanks Kerry, All the other jumpers had a bad day and I took...
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Mar 6, 2008
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Hi Dwight, Dwight, you inspired me to continue jumping after high school after watching you break another record in 74. I quit my job in El Paso and went to...
dennis deloach
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Mar 7, 2008
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Thank's Dennis. The thing about what we did was the memories, you cant ever forget some of these times. One of my favorite was the "80 olympic trial's in...
kerry myers
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Mar 8, 2008
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Ok John Morris that's right. About that time I was getting no respect as a jumper out there at the meets at Cal. I wasn't in that great of shape for jumping...
dennis deloach
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Mar 7, 2008
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You must have been pumped. People will never forget you either. There must have been some serious pressure. My hobby would have been complete just being...
dennis deloach
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Mar 9, 2008
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well it was the olympic trials dennis,how could you not be pumped up. Three week's prior to that i jumped at the tac me at mt.sac. I got there late and...
kerry myers
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Mar 10, 2008
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Hey Dennis ran into John morriss friday in berkeley along with kenny Harrison the olympic triple jump champ in 04!  John looked slim and trim like he could...
kerry myers
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Jul 13, 2008
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I think I was there that day. I remember one jumper clearing the bar, stepped out of the back of the pit walking backwards and fell into the steeple chase...
dennis deloach
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Mar 11, 2008
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btw It was the TAC meet I went to , not the trials,,,I wish I could have witnessed the trials... I attatchd a couple of photos for all. Reynaldo Brown at the...
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