I will easily debunk and discredit this nefarious post.  None shall
usurp my authority.  In fact, this post may have just cost Marty
125 rating points.  But I have prepared an official reply with
point-by-point details, which will lay this entire matter to rest.
By the time you are done reading it, there will be no question as
to My rightful and god-given place at the helm of the virtuous
hardbat movement.

Rev.

--- In hardbat@y..., martyreis@a... wrote:
> My choice for the hardbat Presidency is either Shoni Aki or Sheri
> Pikleman.  Dr. Gordon pays much more attention to his idiot savant students
> than he does to his hardbat constituency.  Very shortly I will be bringing
> this matter up to the membership.
> Marty Reisman, Chairman, of the ad hoc(k) committee to oust Dr. Scot
Gordon.

Oh, yeah! Hingis beat the brat William sisters.

/Bruce

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Guys,

I accidentally found this book. I believe itis written
by a guy in Marty's book. (whom Marty beat when he came out
of retirement) The URL should be in the same line. Your
email reader may wrap it around.

/Bruce

http://catalog.jclc.org/search/Wtable+tennis/Wtable+tennis/1,15,15,B/frameset&F=\
Wtable+tennis&10,10,

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Just a reminder and instructions on how to sign up on our hardbat group.
Every name helps.

Hardbat needs you!

Marty Reisman

Hi Marty, as you have so graciously volunteered to do all PR work for
our hardbat mailing list (thank you very much, I can't think of a
better person except maybe Dr. Gordon), I just wanted to point out
that it might be helpful to give people the correct instructions on
how to join the list!  So, here they are -- "embellish" then however
you see fit.

As is so often the case in life, there's the easy way, and then
there's the hard way.


THE EASY WAY  (just using e-mail directly)
------------
1. Send an e-mail to hardbat-subscribe@egroups.com
    The subject and message body can be empty.  It doesn't matter.
2. In an hour or so, you will get back a response.
    Reply to that message to confirm your enrollment to the
    hardbat group.  You should start receiving messages shortly.

***** Note that the email address includes EGROUPS.COM with the "S"
on the end of EGROUPS -- you previously had refered to the list as
EGROUP.COM


THE HARD WAY (using the www.egroups.com web site)
------------
1. Using your web browser, go to www.egroups.com
2. In the "search" box, type the word "hardbat" (without the quotes)
3. Click on the link that comes up named "hardbat"
4. On the next screen, click on the link "Subscribe" (either
"Subscribe" link, the one on the left, or the one on the right, will
do)
5. Go waaaay to the bottom of the next page that comes up and follow
the instructions to register with Egroups.com to become a member of
the hardbat list.  If you have previously signed up with Egroups.com,
you may have to enter your Egroups name and password here.
7. After getting subscribed to the egroups mailing list, you can get
messages either in e-mail or else read and post messages to the
hardbat list through the www.egroups.com website.  To control how you
get messages, click on the "My Groups" icon (it's a picture of a face
and a house) from the www.egroups.com home page.  This will list the
hardbat group and the delivery options for messages.

Did that all make sense?

Whichever method you use, you should be able to go to the website
www.egroups.com and search for "harbat" and then read through all the
old messages.  They are all archived there.

As far as the colors of the website, that is under egroups control.
We are just using their free service for the mailing list.  They
chose those horrible colors and we just have to live with it. (Or
complain bitterly to egroups.com until they bend to our will and use
orange and purple polka-dots everywhere.)

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Scott, do you have any plans to update the hardbat.com website?

There are just a couple really really small things I'd recommend...

1. On the front page, put a picture and blurb of our current national
champion, Steve Berger.  Ty Hoff's reign is over (at least for now)

2. The link to your name on the home page ("Created by Scott Gordon")
just links to the main page.  Is this intentional?  It looks like the
intention was to make it an e-mail address link.

I can help out with these and other changes if you'd like.

Perhaps eventually a little on-line program to compute/update the
hardbat ratings from typed in results would be useful too.  What do
you think?

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Subj:   (no subject)
Date:   1/22/01 5:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:   <A HREF="mailto:MartyReis">MartyReis</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:BICENBKS">BICENBKS</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:martyreis@.com">martyreis@.com</A>

Dear Mike:
In going over my emails, I realize I neglected to answer one you had sent to
me some time ago.  My apologies. It inadvertently got swallowed up in the
bowels of my machine and it was only just regurgitated.  Anyway, I do want to
address a few items you asked about, but I'm just out the door on my way to
meet my wife for sushi.  She got to have the stuff or she can't survive.
I've copied you in on my hardbat posts and hope that you will join our group.
It's just starting and we would appreciate your participation.
hardbat@...  Thanks. Talk to you later.
  Marty

Hi Wayne,
Got your Venus/Mars posting.  Great stuff.  Its already traveling down the
pipeline.  The last posting about the website had been sent to the
appropriate party. It shows that you are on my mind--I copied you in
inadvertently.  We now have a hardbat newsgroup  and all of us invite you to
become a member.  Puleeese!  we need to make it grow.  There is no obligation
to post unless you feel so inclined.  Boiger Boitchick is also on it.
hardbat@egroups.com
Marty

Hi Al,
I would like to make a suggestion about improving the site.  It needs a lot
more color contrast. I can barely make out the names of some of the people as
well as mine on the postings page.  Please let me hear from you or from
anyone else who has some opinion on this matter.
Marty Reisman
Chairman--Ad Hoc(k) committee to oust Scot Gordon as President of the Hardbat
Association

Hi Al,
Thanks very much for the information relating to video recapture on my
laptop. I'm using windows 95. Still looking for my laptop manual so I'll let
you know about the usb ports as soon as it's found.  I'm also thinking of
getting a tabletop computer setup so I'll have to call upon your expert
advice on this matter as well.
Getting back to more relevant matters, your inclination to advertise our
hardbat site on the other group is okay if we want pick up more lobotomy
patients.  As it is, we have our hands full with our own people.  Al, we are
backed up more than 3 months in this department.  Scot Gordon had to be
lobotomized 3 times in the past year.  He's a total embarrassment to the
world of hardbat.  This alleged Doctor has been telling everyone that Richard
Bergmann is his real father and his footwork and fighting temperament are
exactly like his dad's.  Scot can't keep the ball in play more than 5 times
and start to chokes before choosing for serve.  Moreover, he likes to brag to
people who don't know anything about the game that he is basically a
retriever.  Did you ever see him try to even pick up the ball after 1200
rated players blast through his flimsy defense?  It's shameful.  He
practically needs a chiropractic adjustment every time he stoops down.
However, he is a big attraction with the sponge crowd -- whenever they feel
like having a good giggle about hardbat.  Scot is basically a nice guy but
has a vicious mean streak that comes to the surface whenever he gets wiped
out 21-10 by the 1500 rated hardbatters.  Then he starts on his pet
subject--the size of the ball or barring from hardbat all players rated less
than1500 because it's bad for our image.  He's been pushing for the adoption
of the 48 mm so his lobotomized brain will then be able to cope with a 3 mph
kill shot.  These medical procedures to straighten out his brain are a
terrible drain on our financial resources.  Our publication was supposed to
go full color by the year 2000 and instead we are throwing our money away on
a mentally defective President.  I say let's impeach the lousy rat  bastard.
He won't know what's going on anyway.  It's not my nature to talk about
people but the future of hardbat is at stake.  So my suggestion is that clean
up our back yard first and then advertise our newsgroup.  And by the way,
lets not forget about Brother Liu.  He's no big bargain either.

Marty Reisman,

Chairman of the Ad Hoc(k) to oust Dr. Scot Gordon as president of the Hardbat
  Assoc.

Once again,  I try!
   Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Berger <aprilsound@...>
To: hardbat@egroups.com <hardbat@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:18 AM
Subject: Fw: MARTY RESIMAN--THE MONEY PLAYER (with jacket)


>I'm so glad that I finally rate being part of this illustrious band of
>piddling pongers.
> Can you imagine how I feel, This is what "The Mommy Player" was doing
while
>I was giveing LiLi her licks.
>  Love,
>             Champ {or is that "Chimp"?}
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ZeroEffect25@... <ZeroEffect25@...>
>To: Aprilsound@... <Aprilsound@...>
>Date: Thursday, December 28, 2000 5:32 AM
>Subject: Fwd: MARTY RESIMAN--THE MONEY PLAYER (with jacket)
>
>
>>hey whats doing.  Someone sent me this email and wanted Marty to see it.
I
>>wasn't sure of Marty's email.  Hopefully you can send it to him.
>>
>>Tahl..
>>
>

Hi Tahl.  Saw your post about writing a book.  One tile possibility is the
obvious, "Taking out the Garbage, Tahl Cleans up in America's Basement
Sport."  I'm sure you'll think of some better titles.    If you see Marty,
could you give him the attached photo?  I tracked him down in Las Vegas and
had him sign my copy of his book.  He was going to give me his email address
but he had to play a match and I had to leave.  I actually did well in Las
Vegas.  I had spinal fusion surgery earlier this year, but still managed to
squeak out a win in the over 40-U1600 (geezer's) event.

Good luck in your training.  Looking forward to your book.  - Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: <ZeroEffect25@...>
To: <demay@...>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: MARTY RESIMAN--THE MONEY PLAYER (with jacket)


> Thanks alot Dave.  I'll keep my eyes open.  If you see anything please let
me
> know.
>
>
>
>
> Tahl........
>

Marty, I was thinking of advertising this list on that "other"
well-informed newsgroup, but then I rejected that idea.  I figured
that nobody here really needs all the wisdom they bestow upon each
other.  You'll have to let me know how your loop kill is developing
:)  Let me know what speed glue you recommend.  I think it could
really help improve my game.

Marty, I looked into some ways of getting your VHS tapes onto your
computer.  It looks like the easiest way will be with a USB video
capture device.  Can you determine if your laptop computer has USB
ports?  They're these funky little things on the back of computer
that you plug stuff into.  I hope that helps you find them.  They're
like slots, about 1/3 of an inch long and 1/8 of an inch thick --
like a little rectangular hole.  Maybe you can check your manual (if
you didn't throw it away in dusgust).  If you have USB ports, then
tell me what operating system you are using.  Windows 95?  Windows
98?  Windows ME?  Windows 2000?  Windows 485682344912 perhaps?  As
long as it isn't Windows NT, we're in business.

The USB video capture devices range in price from around $70 to $250,
and they will not do professional conversion by any means.  But if
you want something on your laptop to show people, I think they would
be fine.  For higher quality, you would need to spend somewhat more
money.  Do you want infomation on those options too?

When you do get some videos converted, would you like them to be
available on a web site somewhere?  I'm sure we could arrange that as
well.

Al



--- martyreis@... wrote:
> Subj:   Slighted Money Player Threatens to Switch To Sponge
> Date:   1/15/01
> Gentlemen; This a reposting of a message originally sent
> january15,2001
>  If It hadn't been for Mr. Papp apprising me of the
> existence of this group, I'd still be in the dark about it.  Is
> there some
> requirement of having only a 1500 rating or under in order to be
> eligible to
> join or post?  Anyway, I'm willing to forgive and forget this evil
> collusion
> among this vast email group (4) of hardbatspiritors who have
> exhibited such
> divisiveness in our ranks during this critical embryonic stage.
> One more
> similar act and I'll switch to sponge and become one of them.  But
> to show my
> good faith, I intend to swell the ranks of this group.  I should be
> able to
> get you another member or two before the year is out. Anyway apart
> from this
> gibberish, I plan to, occasionally, post my views relating to
> hardbat and its
> inherent problems (namely you guys).
> Marty
> PS
> I don't know too much about sponge equipment so I would appreciate
> hearing
> from a former rat bastard who can advise me where I can pick up two
> sheets of
> 8 mm waffle sponge and then send me the complete permutations on
> angle of
> deflection and rate of rebound relative to the various millimeter
> thickness
> on the drive, loop kill, block, drop shot and shovel shot.  I need
> this
> information as quickly as possible. Thanking you in advance.  If I
> don't hear
> from anyone in the next 3 minutes, I will post this on the regular
> newsgroup.
>  Those people are very smart and seem to know much more about these
> things
> than you hardbat guys.
> From someone who is beginning to see the light.
> The Money Player
>


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Subj:   Ad Hoc(k) Committee to Oust Doctor Scot Gordon From Hardbat
Date:   1/20/01
To: <A HREF="mailto:mindgrip@...">mindgrip@...</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:sgordon@...">sgordon@...</A>

Hi Al,
When I looked for my January 15 posting, I read that the image could not be
displayed. Could you please explain what that was all about? Did I transmit
incorrectly?  Since my last e-mail did get posted, I'm still in a quandary
over the posting failure of the first one.  Anyway, I took the liberty of
reposting that message a few minutes ago, and also indicating it was a
reposting from the 15th.  You did a great job on putting together the Hardbat
group But, despite that, don't expect too much help from me on your backhand
side.  Scot said it's totally irreparable.  Since, I don't trust his judgment
anyway, especially in hardbat, I'll take a fast peek at it at the next get
together.
PS
I've copied in Dr. Gordon.  If I'm going speak my mind about him, I want to
be up front about it----very much unlike him.  After all I've done for
hardbat, the Dr. is talking about my taking mandatory retirement from
hardbat.  My choice for the hardbat Presidency is either Shoni Aki or Sheri
Pikleman.  Dr. Gordon pays much more attention to his idiot savant students
than he does to his hardbat constituency.  Very shortly I will be bringing
this matter up to the membership.  Every time I think about it, I've got to
drink to drink a cold beer to calm down.  My rating has dropped dramatically
since he became President.  Who knows?  Maybe he's embezzling points from me
and adding them on to his own rating.  Why else would he resist the motion
made by Tim Boggan to set up a watchdog committee to conduct an annual audit
of the hardhat rating system.  Even Tim is beginning to suspect he's missing
a few points too. Doctor Gordon's rating on a great day, including his
constant cheating, is no more than 1700.  Ever since he became president, his
rating has shot up to around 2000.
Marty Reisman, Chairman, of the ad hoc(k) committee to oust Dr. Scot Gordon.

Subj:   Slighted Money Player Threatens to Switch To Sponge
Date:   1/15/01
To: <A HREF="mailto:hardbat @egroups.com">hardbat @egroups.com</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:mindgrip@...">mindgrip@...</A>, <A
HREF="mailto:berndt mann@...">berndt mann@...</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:sgordon@...">sgordon@...</A>, <A
HREF="mailto:bjgmann1@...">bjgmann1@...</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:bjgmann1@...">bjgmann1@...</A>, <A
HREF="mailto:APRILSOUND@...">APRILSOUND@...</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:jgrinnel@...">jgrinnel@...</A>,
<A HREF="mailto:bliu911@...">bliu911@...</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:hartman@...">hartman@...</A>

Gentlemen; This a reposting of a message originally sent january15,2001
  If It hadn't been for Mr. Papp apprising me of the
existence of this group, I'd still be in the dark about it.  Is there some
requirement of having only a 1500 rating or under in order to be eligible to
join or post?  Anyway, I'm willing to forgive and forget this evil collusion
among this vast email group (4) of hardbatspiritors who have exhibited such
divisiveness in our ranks during this critical embryonic stage.  One more
similar act and I'll switch to sponge and become one of them.  But to show my
good faith, I intend to swell the ranks of this group.  I should be able to
get you another member or two before the year is out. Anyway apart from this
gibberish, I plan to, occasionally, post my views relating to hardbat and its
inherent problems (namely you guys).
Marty
PS
I don't know too much about sponge equipment so I would appreciate hearing
from a former rat bastard who can advise me where I can pick up two sheets of
8 mm waffle sponge and then send me the complete permutations on angle of
deflection and rate of rebound relative to the various millimeter thickness
on the drive, loop kill, block, drop shot and shovel shot.  I need this
information as quickly as possible. Thanking you in advance.  If I don't hear
from anyone in the next 3 minutes, I will post this on the regular newsgroup.
  Those people are very smart and seem to know much more about these things
than you hardbat guys.
From someone who is beginning to see the light.
The Money Player

is at Albert's now. I've read it. Hermann and his
wife have read it. We all enjoyed it very much.
I think we should at least make part of it on-line.
Don't know if there is a copyright issue.

/Bruce

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Dear Brother Liu,
This manufacturing process has temporary complications.  I wanted to be up
front with Barry so I invited him along with Lily to the Two Seasons
restaurant (I used go to the Four Seasons but that was before Butler
butchered my bankroll).  He was perfectly agreeable to the production
technique of what could be the world's most perfect and versatile player,
having one oriental eye and the other Caucasian, playing equally well either
penholder or shakehand, willing at the age of 9 to bet the family jewels
(Barry's dough), having my looks and Lily's body, provided he can be the
coach.  That's when Lily and I got up and walked out.  Just before we left
both Lily and I called him a Rat Bastard who wanted to cripple our child.
Lily and I are going to produce "A Natural"  It's been 70 years since that
last occurred, I loved sticking him with the bill as I had planned to do in
the first place. So things are going according to schedule with Barry
providing some of the "seed" money during the planning stage.
PS
I should have gone to the Four Seasons but who knew Barry would make such an
audacious request.
So, Brother, I'm still in there trying.
Marty

Marty,

It is all right. Don't feel bad. You will always
have the next project to work on. Speaking of
project, what is the status of the project between
Lily and you to incubate the best table tennis
product in the world?

I know I haven't done a good job as an agent of Lily's.
I apologize for that. I personally would love to
see the project go through. Who needs Ai-chan? We
can have our own Ai-chan. However, it is gonna take a
while before we can have an exhibition though.
In any case, we have to start! We have to start now!

/Bruce


--- MartyReis@... wrote:
> Dear Brother Liu,
> I'm sorry to tell you that the project fell apart.  I must leave right now
> for one of my $75.00 an hour lessons---nothing wakes me up like pure money.
> I'll get back to you later with the gruesome details as well as the latest
> news on a project that may be more meaningful.  Scot and I will be making a
> release on this item as soon as we get clearance to do so from the people
> involved. Give him a call about the project.  I'm sure the RB will rat me out
>
> as usual.  He's famous for that---worldwide.  By the way, e-mail me your Tel
> # as well as your cellular.  My apologies to your friends
> TMP
>
>
>



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[Unable to display image]

Hmm... here is the response from the guy running the auction for
those paddles.  I'm not sure I've ever seen "paper over wood" paddles
(except SANDpaper!!)

Al


--- LWGANTIQUE@... wrote:
> From: LWGANTIQUE@...
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:58:02 EST
> Subject: Re: Question about  ebay item #537440228 (table tennis
> set)
> To: al_papp@...
>
> HELLO IT IS PAPER OVER WOOD THAT  IS FAUX CORK
> LOUIS


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Hermann, take a look at this link on Ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=537440228

Do the paddles look like cork to you?  If we decide to go cork, ebay
might be a good source.  Can we make out own cork paddles?  Do we
have a cork source??  I will e-mail the person auctioning this TT set
and ask if the paddles are cork.

Al


--- Hermann Luechinger <hluechinger@...> wrote:
> --- In hardbat@egroups.com, Bruce Liu <bliu@h...> wrote:
> > Maybe we should test it ourselves locally first. For example,
> > in Fairfield. I suspect the effect of sandpaper paddles is
> similar
> > to those petrified paddles'. I don't think it is a good idea
> > to have an official sandpaper event yet. However, it doesn't
> > mean that we can't have fun with it.
> >
> > /Bruce
> >
> >
> I think I've seen a sign at Strictly Ping-Pong that sandpaper
> paddles
> are not allowed. I'm afraid they may not be tolerated in Florida
> either (fear of ruining the tables).
> Has anybody seen any cork paddles lately. Those were the first
> paddles I played with.
>
>


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Guys,

Anyone has some inside of this?

http://www.hal-pc.org/~canupnet/major.html

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--- In hardbat@egroups.com, Bruce Liu <bliu@h...> wrote:
> Maybe we should test it ourselves locally first. For example,
> in Fairfield. I suspect the effect of sandpaper paddles is similar
> to those petrified paddles'. I don't think it is a good idea
> to have an official sandpaper event yet. However, it doesn't
> mean that we can't have fun with it.
>
> /Bruce
>
>
I think I've seen a sign at Strictly Ping-Pong that sandpaper paddles
are not allowed. I'm afraid they may not be tolerated in Florida
either (fear of ruining the tables).
Has anybody seen any cork paddles lately. Those were the first
paddles I played with.

Says Reisman, "I can teach [the IT types] a trick or two. If
I can teach a chimp, I can teach technology people."

http://www.informationweek.com/806/frontend.htm

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Maybe we should test it ourselves locally first. For example,
in Fairfield. I suspect the effect of sandpaper paddles is similar
to those petrified paddles'. I don't think it is a good idea
to have an official sandpaper event yet. However, it doesn't
mean that we can't have fun with it.

/Bruce

--- sgordon@... wrote:
> The idea was to make the sandpaper event a separate (not part of
> the Open or Nationals) tournament.  A year ago, Don Varian had
> proposed a "Hock Invitational", which still hasn't happened.
> The idea from the meeting was to make the Hock Invitational a
> sandpaper event, rather than a hardbat event.
>
> I think if we approached the USATT asking for a sandpaper event,
> we'd risk serious credibility loss, unfortunate though that might be.
>
> Scott
>
>
> --- In hardbat@egroups.com, al_papp@y... wrote:
> > At the Nationals in December, we kicked around the idea of trying to
> > organize a "sandpaper" event, perhaps for the US Open in Florida this
> > July.  I think this would be a blast!  What do we need to do to set
> > this up?  Can we work with USATT to possibly get this event on the
> > main event list (including the prize money amount), so that their
> > entry form for the US Open will include this event on it?
> >
> > For this to work, I think we will need to get a pool of prize money
> > together, perhaps from individual contributions.  I am certainly
> > willing to chip in for this cause!  It would be really great if we
> > could arrange a mailing of a small flyer in the month or so
> > advertising it to the USATT members.  Someone mentioned that we can
> > get the USATT mailing list from the USATT.  Can we find out the cost
> > of getting the mailing list and the cost of mailing a bunch of
> > flyers?  What do you all think?
> >
> > Do we need to set grit guidelines?  Are you allowed to use two
> > different sandpaper surfaces on the paddle?  Does the two-color rule
> > apply?
> >
> > Al
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> hardbat-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>
>
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I recently sent a lengthy and detailed letter to Wayne Johnson,
outlining our request for both U1500 and Veteran's hardbat events
for the U.S. Open.  As soon as I get a response, I'll post
the reaction here.

Scott

The idea was to make the sandpaper event a separate (not part of
the Open or Nationals) tournament.  A year ago, Don Varian had
proposed a "Hock Invitational", which still hasn't happened.
The idea from the meeting was to make the Hock Invitational a
sandpaper event, rather than a hardbat event.

I think if we approached the USATT asking for a sandpaper event,
we'd risk serious credibility loss, unfortunate though that might be.

Scott


--- In hardbat@egroups.com, al_papp@y... wrote:
> At the Nationals in December, we kicked around the idea of trying to
> organize a "sandpaper" event, perhaps for the US Open in Florida this
> July.  I think this would be a blast!  What do we need to do to set
> this up?  Can we work with USATT to possibly get this event on the
> main event list (including the prize money amount), so that their
> entry form for the US Open will include this event on it?
>
> For this to work, I think we will need to get a pool of prize money
> together, perhaps from individual contributions.  I am certainly
> willing to chip in for this cause!  It would be really great if we
> could arrange a mailing of a small flyer in the month or so
> advertising it to the USATT members.  Someone mentioned that we can
> get the USATT mailing list from the USATT.  Can we find out the cost
> of getting the mailing list and the cost of mailing a bunch of
> flyers?  What do you all think?
>
> Do we need to set grit guidelines?  Are you allowed to use two
> different sandpaper surfaces on the paddle?  Does the two-color rule
> apply?
>
> Al

At the Nationals in December, we kicked around the idea of trying to
organize a "sandpaper" event, perhaps for the US Open in Florida this
July.  I think this would be a blast!  What do we need to do to set
this up?  Can we work with USATT to possibly get this event on the
main event list (including the prize money amount), so that their
entry form for the US Open will include this event on it?

For this to work, I think we will need to get a pool of prize money
together, perhaps from individual contributions.  I am certainly
willing to chip in for this cause!  It would be really great if we
could arrange a mailing of a small flyer in the month or so
advertising it to the USATT members.  Someone mentioned that we can
get the USATT mailing list from the USATT.  Can we find out the cost
of getting the mailing list and the cost of mailing a bunch of
flyers?  What do you all think?

Do we need to set grit guidelines?  Are you allowed to use two
different sandpaper surfaces on the paddle?  Does the two-color rule
apply?

Al

Hey Albert, I thought you were behind this!
Alright, so what's with this hardbat stuff... sounds funky.
Seriously, now that the holidays are over, I hope to get caught up
with all the stuff I said I was going to do.

More later,
Scott

First message and I messed it up! But I am looking forward to some
interesting discussions. (Would be nice to have a spelling checker.)

Great idea. I looking forward to some interesting posts.