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Re: Historical Distortion

Grand observations, sir. Many thanks for sharing them all.

Meanwhile... and I think you might find this quite interesting... I'm in
receipt of a number of rubber samples that I have been COF testing.

The Reisman samples... have the LOWEST Coefficient Of Friction of ALL of them.
Presuming the "Design Intent" was to emulate or create a rubber that harkens
back to materials of the Golden Age then absolutely.... minimizing the imparting
of spin on the ball would certainly be the result.

Mind you, COF is only one variable for one component of an hardbat... but... for
argument sake, I attempted to test a bat with smooth Yasaka MKV. 2.0mm sponge on
it... and the test FAILED ABYSMALLY as the COF was SO high the test sled
literally lifted off the material.

As to "experimenting" with materials... well, that's how we find out what
might... or more than likely might NOT resemble the rubbers of olde. I would
presume that no small amount of thought, expermimenting and testing went into
the development of the Reisman Classic Rubbers.

Unfortunately.... not having been there and done that... not owning any of the
original equipment of the day... and even if one did, by now it's possibly aged
and / or deteriorated in some manner... it can be difficult to establish the
precise goal to attain.

I will be posting a PDF file graphing the results of the testing to the files
section soon. I think many of us will find the resulst interesting.

Meanwhile.... personally, I find myself gravitating more and more to... OK...
I'll refer to it as this... "SPONGELESS" play. For all the reasons we're all
familiar with and for a few of mine own.

First and foremost... I can devote more energy towards form... stroke,
precision, strategy, footwork... all the things you mention... when I'm not
having to expend massive quantities of energy so intensely studying what my
opponent is or is not doing to impart some dubious spin on the ball.

It's one HELL of a lot more enjoyable!!!!

Is it "Classic Hardbat" in the manner you so eloquently put forth? In all
liklihood.... NO. But I daresay... it's one hell of a lot closer to it than it
is to the modern sponge game.

Again, absolutely thrilling to read your insights and will be following this
thread with great interest!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
Dingmans Ferry, PA






Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:21 pm

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I have watched in silence as the posts on this site go endlessly over technological and other extraneous issues which the posters seem to believe have some...
martyreisman
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Jul 11, 2009
6:05 am

... It's not only a matter of equipment Marty, even if I set up a tournament with ONLY Leyland the game will not be like that in the TRUE Classic Era. You know...
Giorno
mrday81
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Jul 11, 2009
7:42 am

Grand observations, sir. Many thanks for sharing them all. Meanwhile... and I think you might find this quite interesting... I'm in receipt of a number of...
Larry Bone
bonemanrides
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Jul 11, 2009
12:22 pm

I agree witn Marty's observations and analysis of the hardbat dilemma. It will be impossible to recreate classic hardbat table tennis unless a new rubber with...
wallyswoods
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Jul 11, 2009
5:03 pm

Hi Marty, Long time no speak. Thank you for your post. You defined the problem eloquently. I will ask you here and now to propose a solution to the enigma....
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spam.bad50
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Jul 12, 2009
1:56 am

Let's be realistic: classic table tennis, like it was played in the "Golden Era", is now dead and buried, and even if the ITTF had immediately banned the first...
Francis LEIBENGUTH
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Jul 12, 2009
3:54 am

... to ... not) ... there ... 300 ... from ... general ... now...
vikiep
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Jul 12, 2009
5:55 am

All history is distorted. Heck, we can't even keep the recent past straight. A case in point is Marty's characterization of my recent experiments with linen...
Jay Turberville
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Jul 12, 2009
7:47 am

Has anyone taken a look at sandpaper? Never played with the stuff myself, but I can't imagine one could load up too much spin with it. Dan...
Dan Bullard-Sisken
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Jul 14, 2009
2:41 am

... It was banned from play a while back. I've heard that some would like to see it "legalized". ... I have. You'd be surprised.... you can impart spin with...
Larry Bone
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Jul 14, 2009
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I don't know if any good sandpaper tt bats are currently being manufactured. A friend bought one on ebay that is offered there often, called a "Thunder". It...
wallyswoods
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Jul 14, 2009
8:34 pm

Go back and search this board for the term "liha". There is a big interest in sandpaper. Here is a video of a sandpaper championship in the Philippines: ...
Reverend Gordon
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Jul 14, 2009
2:44 pm

And here's another one with Marty Reisman playing against Al Papp : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcxKsmRTwcA <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcxKsmRTwcA> ...
Francis LEIBENGUTH
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Jul 14, 2009
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gentlemen, liha is played with 38 mm balls ! and everything will become normal you use big balls like 40 mm and it breaks easily dont mixed liha with...
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Jul 14, 2009
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Peter, The sandpaper clip with Reisman and Papp WAS played with 38mm balls!! Scott...
Reverend Gordon
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Jul 14, 2009
5:22 pm

I know scot! i did figured that out, reisman youtube.the speed it was gainning, i can see it. but i was refering to some peole here who says , the liha racket...
kusangloob
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Jul 15, 2009
3:07 am

... I just uploaded a PDF file of a 1902 patent, 703,519, on the application of granular coatings for a table tennis racket. The object being to improve on...
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Jul 14, 2009
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Wallywood says : Jones Baldanado played with several of us, and coached us on the liha rules...easy serve, easy return...and the 5 point playoff if the score...
kusangloob
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Jul 17, 2009
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Dario came to the Sacramento club last week! But I didn't get to talk to him. If he stays in Sacramento I will definitely approach him about liha!...
Reverend Gordon
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Jul 17, 2009
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scot, tell dario i told you about him ------- ahahah im also looking for his email address you didnt approach him becasue perhaps - you dont know ! and...
kusangloob
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Jul 18, 2009
1:46 pm

Pete,   I apologize for being out of circulation as far as posting but I am now using Dr Evil  on my liha blade and playing semi regularly as schedule...
Andy Abad Jr.
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Jul 19, 2009
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... = no porblem really mr. abad. glad you are okay as far as posting but I am now using Dr Evil  on my liha blade and playing semi regularly as schedule...
kusangloob
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Jul 20, 2009
4:29 am

... Hi Marty, This is a post, written as a response to an eloquent post mourning the demise of the classic game both with respect to table tennis and tennis,...
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