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From: "april" <amamagirl@...>
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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: [HanMuDo] ] Re: Ultimate Martial Art? The true nature of mixed
martial arts


> I agree with you Guillaume, I also believe that the freestyle
> sparring should begin as soon as a student begins to progess. Not
> only does it allow someone to discover their own style, strengths
> and weaknesses, for youth it makes it interesting for them, besides
> being redundant in classes. Youth naturally love to tussle around, I
> believe it allows for mental growth and to apply what they have
> learned practically.
>
> Also free sparring and being able to apply what you have learned
> empowers you and gives the confidence that people are looking for in
> Martial Arts.
>
> I believe that if an instructor in Martial Arts creates a balance
> between free sparring and instruction of techniques, then he will
> have success in training his students giving them the opportunity to
> develope their techniques in real time and find what works best for
> them.
>
> April and Eric
>
> --- In HanMuDo@yahoogroups.com, Guillaume Williams
> <revhardheaded@...> wrote:
>>
>> I would not think of HMD as a MMA although it is a sum
>> of what Dr. Kimm knows and transmits to us. It
>> certainly is not just sport, not just kicking and
>> punching with grappling added in. There does need to
>> be some freestyle sparring so people can learning
>> timing and what might not work for them when an
>> opponent resist but this is up to the teacher how and
>> when this occurs in class and certainly it does happen
>> in all schools I would hope.
>>
>> If anyone ever watched Erle Montaigue, one would never
>> think that TaiChi is just for retiring masters trying
>> to keep healthy.
>>
>> While some Traditional MA schools may seem packaged to
>> pass from one generation to the next if they are truly
>> traditional I cannot see how good fighters would not
>> be produced there. There are some or rather plenty of
>> McDonald style schools out there which simply pass on
>> knowledge without true skill, mass marketing
>> blackbelts, but I think even a good ma could still be
>> produced there if the individual applie themselves.
>>
>> At the end of the day though the saying is still true,
>> there are no superior ma just superior martial artist.
>>
>> Guillaume
>>
>> --- Dennis Chua <hbchua@...> wrote:
>>
>> > Here's an intersting article from an MMA pratitioner
>> > in reply to the article Hal submitted.(below)
>> > Any feedback for discussion.?
>> >
>> > here's one -a personal opinion on looking from a
>> > different perspective.
>> >
>> > I think the reason why there are so many
>> > disagreements between traditional and MMA is the
>> > different emphasis that MMA and traditional places.
>> > Traditional martial arts focus a specific skill eg.
>> > mainly kicking and punching with a few take down and
>> > few grappling techs or grappling ,throwing with a
>> > few kicks and strikes.Their focus if base on
>> > traditional Asian martial art background is
>> > personal character buildng as well as loyalty to
>> > the group or clan (Budo) and respect for
>> > teachers,using martial art as a tool.Their emphasis
>> > is martial art philosophy in daily living ,not so
>> > much as winning matches. They have a proven system
>> > in sense of good organization and easy to transmit
>> > this "package' for repeated generations.
>> > Since every body can only commit a certain amount of
>> > time for training, it is quite a challenge to learn
>> > and be good at everything. MMA tries to be good at
>> > everything, but even then ,certain players will
>> > place empasis on techniques they like.The core is
>> > grappling.
>> > MMA interest startted from BJJ.If you look up BJJ
>> > history, it arise because of questioning the
>> > rationale of certain traditional pratice and techs
>> > for practicality.Hence emphasis is to win to prove
>> > this point.Of course they have philosophies attached
>> > to it, but it is not so deep rooted as compared to
>> > asian traditional martal art philosophy with its
>> > long history on living in a society. Traditional
>> > asian martial art arise from political situation of
>> > their time. ( This is my personal opinion.I believe
>> > MMA practitioners will argue on this).
>> >
>> > The challenge for MMA's future is this.Can they
>> > transmit to later generations successfully?
>> > Traditional martial arts with a good deep rooted
>> > philosophy and organisational skills have proven to
>> > transmit to several generations down.And majority of
>> > people prefer philosophy in living ,and martial art
>> > as an added insurance if need arises, rather than
>> > being in the ring. Majority just need certain skill
>> > to defend fast and get out fast in a situation.
>> > They cannot afford to be full time gladiators. They
>> > have to work.
>> >
>> > A good example is Taekwondo.MMA practitioners can
>> > argue it has many weaknesses, but why is it the
>> > world's most popular martial art today? Why is the
>> > world's army still use TKD as the core martial art?
>> > Another is Aikido. It is still using traditional
>> > fighting techs,that one can argue in today's context
>> > is not so practical.But why is it so popular among
>> > the elite in society?
>> > Taichi is known as "utimate boxing" . "Ultimate" not
>> > to win matches .but to win the match of
>> > life.-longevity. Martial art grandmasters of hard
>> > styles still end up learning some form of taichi
>> > later in their life.
>> > The challenge for MMA to be able to pass down to
>> > many generation is this.Does it have a deep sense of
>> > philosophy to attract the masses? Does it have a
>> > uniformity to easily transmit to the masses.It is
>> > difficult,because it is "mixed".Different
>> > instructors emphasise differently, and are trained
>> > differently.
>> >
>> > So the question is akin to what you want in life.Do
>> > you want to train an art for a certain period of
>> > your life or thoughout your life .- eg a fast
>> > sports car , a family saloon car or an all terrain
>> > SUV (Sports utility Vehicle). It's good to train
>> > MMA as an adjunct to your core art .But you need to
>> > faithfully stick to your core art to give you
>> > direction in your life. If not,after learning "all
>> > the secrets of the world" you become empty and
>> > frustrated.
>> > As for me,the ultimate martial art is the one that
>> > lets me win the "Match of life".
>> > "What does it profit a man if he gains the whole
>> > world but loses his own soul"-a Bible quote.
>> >
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Kaiyi
>> > To: hapkidoflyingeagle@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:49 PM
>> > Subject: [Hapkido Flying Eagle] Re: Ultimate Martial
>> > Art? The true nature of mixed martial arts
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > SELF DEFENSE AND MIXED MARTIAL ARTS:
>> >
>> > http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=mma
>> >
>> > the criticism of Mixed Martial Arts in the article
>> > is way off the mark.
>> >
>> > If you truly want to learn self-defense, learn from
>> > police officers &
>> > soldiers. Learn the psychology of criminals. Because
>> > a skilled
>> > criminal will NOT give you the chance to defend
>> > yourself. He 'll walk
>> > up to you in the dark and stab in the back. Self
>> > defense is about
>> > knowing how to identify bad situations (drunk gang
>> > members, dark
>> > alleys) and avoid them or worse come to worse you
>> > talk your way out.
>> >
>> > No mixed martial artist would ever claim to be able
>> > to fight 10 men,
>> > nor does any sensei who claims to be able to
>> > demonstrate so. If
>> > someone has a knife, most genuine self defense
>> > experts will recommend
>> > you run or pick up a chair to batter your opponent.
>> >
>> > The argument for learning Mixed Martials Arts as an
>> > aid to
>> > self-defense is this: If you are confronted and
>> > assualted by a clumsy
>> > thug or drunk who is unarmed, then what you learn on
>> > the mat & in the
>> > ring is highly applicable because you fight against
>> > a parter who is
>> > 100% uncooperative and that creates an experience as
>> > close as possible
>> > to a real fight in which your assailant will also be
>> > 100%
>> > uncooperative. In many streets fights 1 or more
>> > parties often fall to
>> > the ground. Much of mixed martial arts involves
>> > escaping pins by
>> > opponents WHO CAN STRIKE YOU FROM THE TOP WITH
>> > ELBOWS, KNEES AND FISTS!
>> >
>> > This is in contrast to many traditional arts where u
>> > learn patterns
>> > which have no resemblance to most human reactions in
>> > a fight.
>> >
>> > Randori is what gives you some real fighting
>> > ability. It gives you the
>> > timing you will need in a real fight. Will you ever
>> > use it? Prob
>> > never. Will it work? maybe not. which brings us a
>> > point of agreement.
>> >
>> > ~Select a martial art that brings you joy. Mixed
>> > martial arts should
>> > not be pursued simply because you view it as the
>> > means to being a
>> > great fighter. For many mixed martial artistes,
>> > mixed martial arts is
>> > a healthy pursuit for training the mind and body, a
>> > challenge. The
>> > same way one challenges oneself by playing chess. I
>> > love playing
>> > chess. And who knows one day i may give up mma to
>> > play chess? Unlikely
>> > but possible!
>> >
>> > Having said that, proof that mixed martial arts is
>> > generally healthy
>> > can be found in Pride & UFC. Although there are a
>> > few bad apples like
>> > Ricardo Arona and Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie who
>> > are rude towards
>> > opponents, many opponents actually train together at
>> > one pt or another
>> > - helping each other improve! And look what happens
>> > at the end of many
>> > fights: the fighters embrace without malice and chi
>> > chat. And they say
>> > " lets train together sometime"
>> >
>> > Can you imagine Rudd Van Nisterooy telling that to
>> > Patrick Viera?
>> >
>> >
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >
>> > THE TRUE NATURE OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS:
>> >
>> > Donny who? For me the author of this article should
>> > make up his mind;
>> > 1st he attempts to discredit wrestling (which is a
>> > large part of mixed
>> > martial arts) and then proceeds to say the
>> > Traditionalists can't
>> >
>> === message truncated ===
>>
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