Hcc

2 laps to go....4 leaders: van dyk, albor, sanchez, arzo..

Van der linden, germans are dropped

.van dyk is desparate but can't get away...sanchez looks strong, even
posing for cameras...3rd time up the hill will be nuclear!

Hcb

2 laps to go...huge group...Updike still in! Lee is dropped, 1 minute
down. Heinz Frei is attacking....well see if they can reel him in on
the hill or if he is stronger than everyone.

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cell: 303.910.9851
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I'm in the san diego area, any other members from around here. Go ahead
and email me. I would like to know were others ride. I have a invacare
xlt I got about 1 half year ago. but i haven't rode much. didn't like
riding next to cars. Looking for routes that are off the road.

CLASSIC!  I like that one!

On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:25 AM, highspeedcjb wrote:

> Just curious, now that Lance has Returned to Professional Cycling
> and has Ran the New York
> City Marathon.....Will demand that he is entitled to ride his bike
> in the Marathon?
> HMM...
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Just curious, now that Lance has Returned to Professional Cycling and has Ran
the New York
City Marathon.....Will demand that he is entitled to ride his bike in the
Marathon?
HMM...

Stage one 18 mile Road Race (brutal hills!!!)
1st Mike P.
2nd Laverne A.
3rd Gregg Q.
4th Dane P. (lost a commanding lead due to a wrong turn)
5th Chad Johnson
6th Dennis
7th Carley

Stage Two 30 min Crit, again Hard Hill and Very tricky Turns.
1st Dane P.
2nd Mike P.
3rd Laverne A.
4th Gregg Q.
5th Chad Johnson
Not sure of order
Carley
Dennis
Thomas
Paul

Sad so few showed up, although the race was %50 larger than last year.
All I can say is, London is a VERY tough event and worth the challenge!!!

I have seen a cadence computer set up by using a magnet fixed through
the chainring bolt on the smallest chainring.  The sensor attaches
near the fork/bottom bracket area.  However, depending upon your
setup, this may or may not work.  It may help to post some pictures of
the cranks of your bike so we can see what kind of setup you have.
Good luck with it!

Do any of you guys have a cyclocomputer that monitors cadence? If so, how do you
have it mounted on your handbike? I just can't find a way to set it up on my XLT
Gold with the crank arms being so wide.
 
 
Bucky

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August 29th saw the first handcycle division at the Green Mtn Stage Race in the
Mad River Valley of northern Vermont. The race was a 5.7 mile Individual Time
Trial through the tiny town of Warren VT.  Bill Schwartz of Kinderhook Ny took
first place going away and was followed by a pair of Vermonters, Patrick Standen
and Jeremy Shortsleeve.  It is our hope that this event becomes a staple of the
US Handcycling Federation's calendar and grows to include many more athletes in
the future.


















Place
Bib
Time
Back
First Name
Last Name
Team
City
State

1
993
28:05.92

Bill
Schwartz

Kinderhook
NY

2
995
29:48.76
00:01:43
Patrick
Standen
Northeast Disabled Athletic Assoc
Burlington
VT

3
994
31:14.30
00:03:09
Jeremy
Shortsleeve
Northeast Disabled Athletic Assoc
Burlington
VT

4
992
33:46.19
00:05:41
Rob
Leiser

Nazareth
PA

5
991
37:35.97
00:09:30
Erik
Corbett
AbilityPLUS
Glen
NH

6
990
DNF

Jordan
Carrell
Northeast Disabled Athletic Assoc
Winooski
VT










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Ian
     It looks like things went well at the Indiane Stage Race.  We just finished
up the race at the Green Mtn Stage Race in VT.  We had 6 starters, 1 guy was
sick and barely made the start but didn't finish.  It was a long 2-3 mile climb
followed by a long gradual DH and a steep climb to the finish.  I"ll send
results and photos when I get them.  Right now I'm waiting for the officials to
come back to Sugarbush for the awards ceremony.  The racers didn't stick around,
some came from PA so they had a long drive ahead of them.  If we were racing
tomorrow I'm sure they'd be here.  The folks I spoke with around the event were
glad to see us so hopefully I can get them to include us in at least 2 stages
next year.  One of the locals told me there are at least 22 handcyclists in VT,
but a lot were intimidated by the climbing.  I'll work on getting them over that
though.  And we've gotten a few new guys out on bike sin NH this summer so
hopefully we'll have a bigger turnout next year.
    I"m working part-time at the Pearl Izumi Factory Store in NH so I was able to
pick up some swag and a Slipstream Jersey to give away.  If you need/want
anything from Pearl let me know.


Erik



To: ian@...; handcyclists@yahoogroups.com; handcycling@...:
ian@...: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:23:48 -0600Subject: [handcycling] Compiled
Results and Stories from Indiana Stage Race




Hello Folks,The compiled results from the weekend of racing in Indiana are
posted on theU.S. Handcycling Website, as well as a story about the
racing.Finalized, series standings should be posted tomorrow.You can read the
story about the race here:*Schabort, Michell Dominate
inIndy<http://www.ushf.org/2008/content/view/1822/78/>*http://www.ushf.org/2008/\
content/view/1822/78/and you can view the final results from the weekend
here:http://www.ushandcycling.org/2008/index.php?option=com_tag&tag=seriesresult\
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Hello Folks,

The compiled results from the weekend of racing in Indiana are posted on the
U.S. Handcycling Website, as well as a story about the racing.

Finalized, series standings should be posted tomorrow.

You can read the story about the race here:

*Schabort, Michell Dominate in
Indy<http://www.ushf.org/2008/content/view/1822/78/>
*

http://www.ushf.org/2008/content/view/1822/78/

and you can view the final results from the weekend here:

http://www.ushandcycling.org/2008/index.php?option=com_tag&tag=seriesresults&Ite\
mid=82

Photos coming soon too...Ian


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Who really cares what you said.  I do both sports and if anybody gets
into either handcycle or racing chair good for them. Way to get out
there instead of sitting in the house and doing nothing. The point
should not be about what he or she said about whatever.  Just do the
best you can with what you got, period.

--- In handcycling@yahoogroups.com, Bob Vogel <rhvshark@...> wrote:
>
> I've been battling this (and putting my two cents in) issue since
it
> reared it's ugly head around 1998.    For me it boils down to
these
> points.
>
> 1. Wheelchair racing is BAD ASS!  I made a failed attempt at
getting
> OK at wheelchair racing--I just didn't have the discipline to
learn
> the technique and build the muscles.  It takes some serious
training
> to push quick time in a race chair and wheelchair racers deserve
> total respect--just as runners deserve respect.
>
> 2. With the mechanical advantages that handcycles offer--anybody
can
> hop in a handcycle and do a reasonable time in a marathon distance--

> with no training or practice at all.
>
> 3. Serious handcycling is also BAD ASS and it takes the same
> discipline and dedication to rise up to elite handcycle (cycle)
> levels of performance.
>
> 4.  If a running race welcomes handcycles, and roller blades or
what-
> ever--hey cool.  If they don't then let them be.  If you want to
race
> a handcycle but don't have the discipline to train, then learn to
be
> OK with being last, that isn't such a big thing.   Suing to ride a
> handcycle in a running race is lame--instead of calling your
> handcycle a "crank chair" and suing to get into a running races--
try
> putting effort into training to get stronger and faster so you can
> hang with REAL handcyclists in handcycle races.
>
> Bottom line:  If you call your handcycle a "crank chair" and sue
to
> get into a running race, you are better off getting your "feel
good
> fuzzies" by being a "inspirational guest" at a telethon.
>
> Bob V
>
> On Aug 27, 2008, at 8:09 AM, Chad Johnson wrote:
>
> >
> > Right on brother.  Heck HandCycling is only a cross trainer for
me
> > and I have done this...
> > Heck, the race we had in Louisville added a second day of
Criterium
> > two weeks before it happened and $500 in prize money.  I realize
> > it's not much, but considering the time, I feel thats pretty
good..
> > Erik is right.
> > cj
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >> To: handcycling@yahoogroups.com
> >> From: ecorbett78@...
> >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:51:16 -0400
> >> Subject: RE: [handcycling] IN response to the Crim 10 Mile
article
> >>
> >> I'm with Chad on this one.  If you can't push a racing chair
maybe
> >> you should find another sport, like bicycle racing.  I know
that
> >> in the US cycling in general isn't as popular and the only
event
> >> to get on TV are the Tour de France.  But if all you really
want
> >> to do is compete there are lots of local cycling events if you
> >> just look for them.  Most dont' have handcycle divisions yet
but
> >> thats only because they haven't been asked to host them.  Go to
> >> www.BikeReg.com and look for some local races and contact the
race
> >> director.  Do it early though, don't call them the night before
> >> and expect them to bend over backwards for you.  Criterium
races
> >> are tough to integrate because there is only so much time in
the
> >> events schedule and they already have lots of divisions but
time
> >> trials are fairly easy to add another division to.  And if you
> >> start with a couple time trials you can build some contacts
among
> >> the local cyclists and eventually, if you have enough athletes,
> >> get into some crits and road races.  The wheelchair racers in
the
> >> 70's and 80's had to start small and build the sport, now
> >> handcyclists have to do the same and the longer you insist on
> >> taking part in foot races the more damage you'll do the sport
of
> >> wheelchair racing and delay the growth of your own sport.  If
you
> >> look to Canada and Europe, I know Chad hates that idea on
> >> principle, but their handcyclists take part in cycling events
and
> >> I'm guessing that most of the handcycling medals in Beijing are
> >> going to go to athletes from those countries.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Erik
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To: handcycling@...: highspeedcjb@...:
> >> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:09:26 +0000Subject: [handcycling] IN
response
> >> to the Crim 10 Mile article
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please see the article below and Comments made by two
individuals
> >> thatwere there.Let me be clear, I had no intention of an
article
> >> like this beingwritten, I was ASKED for my opinion and I gave
it,
> >> and NOT in an angryway...I was very happy to have just one the
> >> Wheelchair division..To all offended.You can be upset and angry
at
> >> the article and the way it was writtenall you want, hell hate
me
> >> all you want. But it still does not changethe Basic point. Both
> >> Sports are being stifled due to "Crank Chairs"or "Hand Bikes"
> >> doing their best to ruin Wheelchair races. The USHFhas stance
on
> >> this, yet not very firm, that it does not encourage theuse of
> >> HandCycles in Running events where Roller Blades nor
Bicyclesare
> >> present...I believe. If some of you take notice, you
> >> complainersand Crank Chairs (I still have no idea of what that
is)
> >> outthere....with my efforts to start Handcycle Races where they
> >> belong, IPERSONALLY have done more to advance the Sport of
> >> HANDCYCLING than thetwo individuals that are crying. Just look
at
> >> the weekend that tookplace in Indianapolis, 20 + Fast
> >> HandCyclists.....Maybe thats theproblem....the level of
> >> competition.....HMM..NOW let me say that I too was a little
> >> irritated that the paper quotedme as if I were asking Cyclists
to
> >> sue road races.....I said I amsurprised it has not happened
> >> yet....But other than that, the truth hurts don't it? I mean I
> >> told this guyI had my bike in my car but I planned to do a bike
> >> race later....thatI love both sports, but felt that the
Handcycle
> >> has its place and thatis not of a FOOT race....especially when
we
> >> are creating a doublestandard to the able body world. IF the
the
> >> point is lets just all get out there and have fun, whydon't we
> >> scrap the entire competitive aspect of it and just call itthe
> >> Handicapped person divison??!! Common!Get Real! I'm sorry but
> >> HandCycling is just as hard on your body as thewheelchair, get
> >> over it, stop with the BS excuses why HandCycles needto be in
the
> >> foot races as well...it is so silly. Heck, I'll just puta motor
on
> >> mine and call it a Mo-Hand (moped) and put Chair after itand
whine
> >> and complain until I get to compete!! SillyBy the way Scott,
the
> >> last time I raced you, I believe I beatyou.....and your best
time
> >> is only 2 mins better than mine on thatcourse. Considering I
had
> >> been down with a broken back and twosurgeries, with full
activity
> >> restriction from october 2006 untilMarch 2008, I would consider
> >> that pretty good. And I beat all but 3or 4 of the HandCycles in
> >> the crim?? Hell I could Bike it in 34 mins, and I only bike
about
> >> 3 hrs aweek....if that..I don't hate HandCycles, I hate that
They
> >> are not being introduced tothe public properly....the sport
will
> >> grow more in the cyclingarena....and this "we just want to show
> >> the sport, or exhibition it"has gone on now for almost 10
years.
> >> All it has done is Confuse racedirectors, the public, and
irritate
> >> those who train their asses off inchairs. How much has the
sport
> >> of HandCycling Grown???? Maybe adifferent direction, the right
> >> direction is needed???? I am sure youguys are for Obama right?
He
> >> would agree.... (course I am voting McCain)Lance RAN New York
> >> City, he didn't ride his bike!!Anyone out there want to back me
up
> >> on this?Hand-cycling division at Crim doesn't go over well with
> >> wheelersby Dan Nilsen | The Flint JournalSaturday August 23,
2008,
> >> 7:25 PMJohn W. Adkisson | The Flint JournalMatthew Porterfield
of
> >> Knoxville,Tenn. (front) wheels up the Bradley Avenue hills
during
> >> the Crim10-mile race Saturday morning in Flint.FLINT, Michigan
â€"
> >> They weren't very close to begin with, and now therift between
> >> some wheelchair racers and hand-cyclists has widened withthe
> >> inclusion of hand-cycling as an official event in the
CrimFestival
> >> of Races.Both groups raced together in Saturday's 10-mile
event,
> >> with ChadJohnson of Charlestown, Ind., taking the wheelchair
> >> paraplegic race in42:26 and Geoff Hopkins of Fredricksburg,
Va.,
> >> winning the hand-cycleevent in 33:31. Each won $1,000 from the
> >> Crim purse.Mark Greenley of St. Louis took the quadriplegic
wheel
> >> race in1:31.58. Jackie Henderson won the women's hand-cycle
race
> >> in 53:11 inher first competitive event.Paraplegic wheelers1.
Chad
> >> Johnson, 42:262. Grant Berthiaume, 44:57Quadriplegic wheelers1.
> >> Mark Greenley, 1:31:582. LarryPorter, 2:13:35Men hand-cycle1.
> >> Geoffrey Hopkins, 33:312. John Gilger, 34:04Women hand-cycle1.
> >> Jackie Henderson, 53:112. Stevie Beale, 1:41:05Hopkins is one
of
> >> many wheelers who have switched over to thehand-cycle chair,
which
> >> is propelled much the same as a bicycle,except with hands
moving
> >> the gear instead of feet."More people are turning to hand-
cycling
> >> because it's easier on yourbody and there's not as much of a
> >> learning curve," said Hopkins, 42,who has been racing for 20
> >> years, the last eight with a hand cycle."This is just like a
bike.
> >> With the push rim (a regular racingwheelchair), you really have
to
> >> know how to push into that rim to getthe most energy, and some
> >> people never learn it, including myself."Hand-cyclists have
raced
> >> in the Crim since 2004, but this is the firstyear it became an
> >> official event.Johnson feels they belong in a bicycling race,
not
> >> a running event."That's a bicycle and it's illegal," said
Johnson,
> >> 33. "I'm callingall bicycle groups and clubs to to sue any race
> >> that has hand cyclesin it to get your bike in there and ride
> >> it."It's completely unfair. People shouldn't use their
disability
> >> totheir advantage to blur the sports of running and
> >> cycling."Johnson said the wheelchair division has been
shrinking
> >> sincehand-cycles have been allowed in, and the Crim entries
bear
> >> that out.Saturday's races had 22 hand-cyclists to six
paraplegic
> >> wheelers andtwo quadriplegic wheelers.They don't co-exist well,
> >> Johnson said."I didn't have freedom of the road because they
start
> >> us alltogether," he said. "Cycles go a little slower, they take
> >> turnsdifferent than we do. Do you draft them or not draft
> >> them?"I'm afraid of a wreck, so I had to hold back in the first
> >> mile."As for the race, Johnson said he led Matthew Porterfield
for
> >> the firstquarter mile, fell behind, then pulled alongside
> >> Porterfield going upa hill."At the very top of the second hill,
I
> >> kind of hammered out and tookthe lead a little," he said. "He
> >> drafted, but I held that lead untilthe first big hill."I made
it
> >> permanent at the Bradley hills. Whoever gets there first
> >> wins."Johnson wound up winning by 2:31 over Grant Berthiaume of
> >> Tucson, withPorterfield third in 45:28.Hopkins rolled alongside
> >> four-time defending hand-cycle champ GlenAshlock of Brooklyn,
> >> Mich., with 1997 Crim wheelchair champ JohnGilger of Elyria,
Ohio,
> >> hanging close behind."We went through the hills together, but I
> >> started losing them alittle in the hills," Hopkins said. "Then
on
> >> the down hills I justtook off, and (miles) 6, 7 and 8, I
couldn't
> >> see them anymore."Hopkins won by 33 seconds over Gilger, who
> >> nipped Ashlock by twoseconds for second place. Linden's Travis
> >> Peruski was fourth in 36:42.Henderson, 30, who only started
> >> training seriously a month ago, won bynearly 48 minutes over
> >> Stevie Beale of Lambertville.Greenley, 49, beat Larry Porter of
> >> Springfield, Ill., by 41:37.>>>  8/26/2008 11:08 AM>>>As a past
> >> winner of this event. " And about 4 minutes faster than
Chad "He
> >> is only showing how slow he is. The whole point is to get
> >> outthere, and compete. I have had to give up the sport, of
> >> wheelchair racingbecause of the strain on wrist and hands. U
see
> >> all the time runners whoare in there 70's or higher still
> >> competing, but even some of the best diehard w/c racers have
had
> >> to retire because of the stain the sport exhorts.Maybe with a
turn
> >> out of 5 or 6 wheelchair racer, they should justcancelthe w/c
> >> event and have a handcycle division "only" but unlike Chad I
> >> wantto see as many athletes out there!!!!!!Well my 2 centsMen
para
> >> winners Crim1987 Jim Mortinson 49:141988 Butch Martin 44:501989
> >> Arthur Hope 1:00:511990 Scot Hollenbeck 41:561991 Scot
Hollonbeck
> >> 39:561992 Scot Hollonbeck 37:101993 Tony Iniquez 37:521994 Scot
> >> Hollonbeck 36:071995 James Briggs 35:561996 Gavin Foulsham
> >> 36:571997 John S. Gilger 38:511998 Scot Hollonbeck 38:271999
Krige
> >> Schabort 36:442000 Adam Bleakney 41:352001 Krige Schabort
> >> 35:182002 Krige Schabort 39:052003 Krige Schabort 36:362004
Tony
> >> Iniquez 40:062005 Tony Iniquez 40:00Women para winners1989
> >> Patricia Ford 1:07:591990 Candace Cable 46:351991 Candace Cable
> >> 45:191992 Debbie LaPlante 58:101993 Ann Walters 49:521994 Jean
> >> Driscoll 43:201995 Ann Walters 47:431996 Darlene Hunter
52:271997
> >> Jean Driscoll 48:301998 No entrants1999 Jean Driscoll 44:462000
> >> Miriam Nibley 46:372001 Christina Ripp 46:232002 Tricia Downing
> >> 1:04:492003 Miriam Nibley 48:022004 Miriam Nibley 51:132005
> >> Christy Campbell 1:16:33
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I've been battling this (and putting my two cents in) issue since it
reared it's ugly head around 1998.    For me it boils down to these
points.

1. Wheelchair racing is BAD ASS!  I made a failed attempt at getting
OK at wheelchair racing--I just didn't have the discipline to learn
the technique and build the muscles.  It takes some serious training
to push quick time in a race chair and wheelchair racers deserve
total respect--just as runners deserve respect.

2. With the mechanical advantages that handcycles offer--anybody can
hop in a handcycle and do a reasonable time in a marathon distance--
with no training or practice at all.

3. Serious handcycling is also BAD ASS and it takes the same
discipline and dedication to rise up to elite handcycle (cycle)
levels of performance.

4.  If a running race welcomes handcycles, and roller blades or what-
ever--hey cool.  If they don't then let them be.  If you want to race
a handcycle but don't have the discipline to train, then learn to be
OK with being last, that isn't such a big thing.   Suing to ride a
handcycle in a running race is lame--instead of calling your
handcycle a "crank chair" and suing to get into a running races--try
putting effort into training to get stronger and faster so you can
hang with REAL handcyclists in handcycle races.

Bottom line:  If you call your handcycle a "crank chair" and sue to
get into a running race, you are better off getting your "feel good
fuzzies" by being a "inspirational guest" at a telethon.

Bob V

On Aug 27, 2008, at 8:09 AM, Chad Johnson wrote:

>
> Right on brother.  Heck HandCycling is only a cross trainer for me
> and I have done this...
> Heck, the race we had in Louisville added a second day of Criterium
> two weeks before it happened and $500 in prize money.  I realize
> it's not much, but considering the time, I feel thats pretty good..
> Erik is right.
> cj
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> To: handcycling@yahoogroups.com
>> From: ecorbett78@...
>> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:51:16 -0400
>> Subject: RE: [handcycling] IN response to the Crim 10 Mile article
>>
>> I'm with Chad on this one.  If you can't push a racing chair maybe
>> you should find another sport, like bicycle racing.  I know that
>> in the US cycling in general isn't as popular and the only event
>> to get on TV are the Tour de France.  But if all you really want
>> to do is compete there are lots of local cycling events if you
>> just look for them.  Most dont' have handcycle divisions yet but
>> thats only because they haven't been asked to host them.  Go to
>> www.BikeReg.com and look for some local races and contact the race
>> director.  Do it early though, don't call them the night before
>> and expect them to bend over backwards for you.  Criterium races
>> are tough to integrate because there is only so much time in the
>> events schedule and they already have lots of divisions but time
>> trials are fairly easy to add another division to.  And if you
>> start with a couple time trials you can build some contacts among
>> the local cyclists and eventually, if you have enough athletes,
>> get into some crits and road races.  The wheelchair racers in the
>> 70's and 80's had to start small and build the sport, now
>> handcyclists have to do the same and the longer you insist on
>> taking part in foot races the more damage you'll do the sport of
>> wheelchair racing and delay the growth of your own sport.  If you
>> look to Canada and Europe, I know Chad hates that idea on
>> principle, but their handcyclists take part in cycling events and
>> I'm guessing that most of the handcycling medals in Beijing are
>> going to go to athletes from those countries.
>>
>>
>>
>> Erik
>>
>>
>>
>> To: handcycling@...: highspeedcjb@...:
>> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:09:26 +0000Subject: [handcycling] IN response
>> to the Crim 10 Mile article
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Please see the article below and Comments made by two individuals
>> thatwere there.Let me be clear, I had no intention of an article
>> like this beingwritten, I was ASKED for my opinion and I gave it,
>> and NOT in an angryway...I was very happy to have just one the
>> Wheelchair division..To all offended.You can be upset and angry at
>> the article and the way it was writtenall you want, hell hate me
>> all you want. But it still does not changethe Basic point. Both
>> Sports are being stifled due to "Crank Chairs"or "Hand Bikes"
>> doing their best to ruin Wheelchair races. The USHFhas stance on
>> this, yet not very firm, that it does not encourage theuse of
>> HandCycles in Running events where Roller Blades nor Bicyclesare
>> present...I believe. If some of you take notice, you
>> complainersand Crank Chairs (I still have no idea of what that is)
>> outthere....with my efforts to start Handcycle Races where they
>> belong, IPERSONALLY have done more to advance the Sport of
>> HANDCYCLING than thetwo individuals that are crying. Just look at
>> the weekend that tookplace in Indianapolis, 20 + Fast
>> HandCyclists.....Maybe thats theproblem....the level of
>> competition.....HMM..NOW let me say that I too was a little
>> irritated that the paper quotedme as if I were asking Cyclists to
>> sue road races.....I said I amsurprised it has not happened
>> yet....But other than that, the truth hurts don't it? I mean I
>> told this guyI had my bike in my car but I planned to do a bike
>> race later....thatI love both sports, but felt that the Handcycle
>> has its place and thatis not of a FOOT race....especially when we
>> are creating a doublestandard to the able body world. IF the the
>> point is lets just all get out there and have fun, whydon't we
>> scrap the entire competitive aspect of it and just call itthe
>> Handicapped person divison??!! Common!Get Real! I'm sorry but
>> HandCycling is just as hard on your body as thewheelchair, get
>> over it, stop with the BS excuses why HandCycles needto be in the
>> foot races as well...it is so silly. Heck, I'll just puta motor on
>> mine and call it a Mo-Hand (moped) and put Chair after itand whine
>> and complain until I get to compete!! SillyBy the way Scott, the
>> last time I raced you, I believe I beatyou.....and your best time
>> is only 2 mins better than mine on thatcourse. Considering I had
>> been down with a broken back and twosurgeries, with full activity
>> restriction from october 2006 untilMarch 2008, I would consider
>> that pretty good. And I beat all but 3or 4 of the HandCycles in
>> the crim?? Hell I could Bike it in 34 mins, and I only bike about
>> 3 hrs aweek....if that..I don't hate HandCycles, I hate that They
>> are not being introduced tothe public properly....the sport will
>> grow more in the cyclingarena....and this "we just want to show
>> the sport, or exhibition it"has gone on now for almost 10 years.
>> All it has done is Confuse racedirectors, the public, and irritate
>> those who train their asses off inchairs. How much has the sport
>> of HandCycling Grown???? Maybe adifferent direction, the right
>> direction is needed???? I am sure youguys are for Obama right? He
>> would agree.... (course I am voting McCain)Lance RAN New York
>> City, he didn't ride his bike!!Anyone out there want to back me up
>> on this?Hand-cycling division at Crim doesn't go over well with
>> wheelersby Dan Nilsen | The Flint JournalSaturday August 23, 2008,
>> 7:25 PMJohn W. Adkisson | The Flint JournalMatthew Porterfield of
>> Knoxville,Tenn. (front) wheels up the Bradley Avenue hills during
>> the Crim10-mile race Saturday morning in Flint.FLINT, Michigan â€"
>> They weren't very close to begin with, and now therift between
>> some wheelchair racers and hand-cyclists has widened withthe
>> inclusion of hand-cycling as an official event in the CrimFestival
>> of Races.Both groups raced together in Saturday's 10-mile event,
>> with ChadJohnson of Charlestown, Ind., taking the wheelchair
>> paraplegic race in42:26 and Geoff Hopkins of Fredricksburg, Va.,
>> winning the hand-cycleevent in 33:31. Each won $1,000 from the
>> Crim purse.Mark Greenley of St. Louis took the quadriplegic wheel
>> race in1:31.58. Jackie Henderson won the women's hand-cycle race
>> in 53:11 inher first competitive event.Paraplegic wheelers1. Chad
>> Johnson, 42:262. Grant Berthiaume, 44:57Quadriplegic wheelers1.
>> Mark Greenley, 1:31:582. LarryPorter, 2:13:35Men hand-cycle1.
>> Geoffrey Hopkins, 33:312. John Gilger, 34:04Women hand-cycle1.
>> Jackie Henderson, 53:112. Stevie Beale, 1:41:05Hopkins is one of
>> many wheelers who have switched over to thehand-cycle chair, which
>> is propelled much the same as a bicycle,except with hands moving
>> the gear instead of feet."More people are turning to hand-cycling
>> because it's easier on yourbody and there's not as much of a
>> learning curve," said Hopkins, 42,who has been racing for 20
>> years, the last eight with a hand cycle."This is just like a bike.
>> With the push rim (a regular racingwheelchair), you really have to
>> know how to push into that rim to getthe most energy, and some
>> people never learn it, including myself."Hand-cyclists have raced
>> in the Crim since 2004, but this is the firstyear it became an
>> official event.Johnson feels they belong in a bicycling race, not
>> a running event."That's a bicycle and it's illegal," said Johnson,
>> 33. "I'm callingall bicycle groups and clubs to to sue any race
>> that has hand cyclesin it to get your bike in there and ride
>> it."It's completely unfair. People shouldn't use their disability
>> totheir advantage to blur the sports of running and
>> cycling."Johnson said the wheelchair division has been shrinking
>> sincehand-cycles have been allowed in, and the Crim entries bear
>> that out.Saturday's races had 22 hand-cyclists to six paraplegic
>> wheelers andtwo quadriplegic wheelers.They don't co-exist well,
>> Johnson said."I didn't have freedom of the road because they start
>> us alltogether," he said. "Cycles go a little slower, they take
>> turnsdifferent than we do. Do you draft them or not draft
>> them?"I'm afraid of a wreck, so I had to hold back in the first
>> mile."As for the race, Johnson said he led Matthew Porterfield for
>> the firstquarter mile, fell behind, then pulled alongside
>> Porterfield going upa hill."At the very top of the second hill, I
>> kind of hammered out and tookthe lead a little," he said. "He
>> drafted, but I held that lead untilthe first big hill."I made it
>> permanent at the Bradley hills. Whoever gets there first
>> wins."Johnson wound up winning by 2:31 over Grant Berthiaume of
>> Tucson, withPorterfield third in 45:28.Hopkins rolled alongside
>> four-time defending hand-cycle champ GlenAshlock of Brooklyn,
>> Mich., with 1997 Crim wheelchair champ JohnGilger of Elyria, Ohio,
>> hanging close behind."We went through the hills together, but I
>> started losing them alittle in the hills," Hopkins said. "Then on
>> the down hills I justtook off, and (miles) 6, 7 and 8, I couldn't
>> see them anymore."Hopkins won by 33 seconds over Gilger, who
>> nipped Ashlock by twoseconds for second place. Linden's Travis
>> Peruski was fourth in 36:42.Henderson, 30, who only started
>> training seriously a month ago, won bynearly 48 minutes over
>> Stevie Beale of Lambertville.Greenley, 49, beat Larry Porter of
>> Springfield, Ill., by 41:37.>>>  8/26/2008 11:08 AM>>>As a past
>> winner of this event. " And about 4 minutes faster than Chad "He
>> is only showing how slow he is. The whole point is to get
>> outthere, and compete. I have had to give up the sport, of
>> wheelchair racingbecause of the strain on wrist and hands. U see
>> all the time runners whoare in there 70's or higher still
>> competing, but even some of the best diehard w/c racers have had
>> to retire because of the stain the sport exhorts.Maybe with a turn
>> out of 5 or 6 wheelchair racer, they should justcancelthe w/c
>> event and have a handcycle division "only" but unlike Chad I
>> wantto see as many athletes out there!!!!!!Well my 2 centsMen para
>> winners Crim1987 Jim Mortinson 49:141988 Butch Martin 44:501989
>> Arthur Hope 1:00:511990 Scot Hollenbeck 41:561991 Scot Hollonbeck
>> 39:561992 Scot Hollonbeck 37:101993 Tony Iniquez 37:521994 Scot
>> Hollonbeck 36:071995 James Briggs 35:561996 Gavin Foulsham
>> 36:571997 John S. Gilger 38:511998 Scot Hollonbeck 38:271999 Krige
>> Schabort 36:442000 Adam Bleakney 41:352001 Krige Schabort
>> 35:182002 Krige Schabort 39:052003 Krige Schabort 36:362004 Tony
>> Iniquez 40:062005 Tony Iniquez 40:00Women para winners1989
>> Patricia Ford 1:07:591990 Candace Cable 46:351991 Candace Cable
>> 45:191992 Debbie LaPlante 58:101993 Ann Walters 49:521994 Jean
>> Driscoll 43:201995 Ann Walters 47:431996 Darlene Hunter 52:271997
>> Jean Driscoll 48:301998 No entrants1999 Jean Driscoll 44:462000
>> Miriam Nibley 46:372001 Christina Ripp 46:232002 Tricia Downing
>> 1:04:492003 Miriam Nibley 48:022004 Miriam Nibley 51:132005
>> Christy Campbell 1:16:33
>>
>>
>>
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Right on brother.  Heck HandCycling is only a cross trainer for me and I have
done this...
Heck, the race we had in Louisville added a second day of Criterium two weeks
before it happened and $500 in prize money.  I realize it's not much, but
considering the time, I feel thats pretty good..
Erik is right.
cj




----------------------------------------
> To: handcycling@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecorbett78@...
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:51:16 -0400
> Subject: RE: [handcycling] IN response to the Crim 10 Mile article
>
> I'm with Chad on this one.  If you can't push a racing chair maybe you should
find another sport, like bicycle racing.  I know that in the US cycling in
general isn't as popular and the only event to get on TV are the Tour de France.
But if all you really want to do is compete there are lots of local cycling
events if you just look for them.  Most dont' have handcycle divisions yet but
thats only because they haven't been asked to host them.  Go to www.BikeReg.com
and look for some local races and contact the race director.  Do it early
though, don't call them the night before and expect them to bend over backwards
for you.  Criterium races are tough to integrate because there is only so much
time in the events schedule and they already have lots of divisions but time
trials are fairly easy to add another division to.  And if you start with a
couple time trials you can build some contacts among the local cyclists and
eventually, if you have enough athletes, get into some crits and road races. 
The wheelchair racers in the 70's and 80's had to start small and build the
sport, now handcyclists have to do the same and the longer you insist on taking
part in foot races the more damage you'll do the sport of wheelchair racing and
delay the growth of your own sport.  If you look to Canada and Europe, I know
Chad hates that idea on principle, but their handcyclists take part in cycling
events and I'm guessing that most of the handcycling medals in Beijing are going
to go to athletes from those countries.
>
>
>
> Erik
>
>
>
> To: handcycling@...: highspeedcjb@...: Tue, 26 Aug
2008 19:09:26 +0000Subject: [handcycling] IN response to the Crim 10 Mile
article
>
>
>
>
> Please see the article below and Comments made by two individuals thatwere
there.Let me be clear, I had no intention of an article like this beingwritten,
I was ASKED for my opinion and I gave it, and NOT in an angryway...I was very
happy to have just one the Wheelchair division..To all offended.You can be upset
and angry at the article and the way it was writtenall you want, hell hate me
all you want. But it still does not changethe Basic point. Both Sports are being
stifled due to "Crank Chairs"or "Hand Bikes" doing their best to ruin Wheelchair
races. The USHFhas stance on this, yet not very firm, that it does not encourage
theuse of HandCycles in Running events where Roller Blades nor Bicyclesare
present...I believe. If some of you take notice, you complainersand Crank Chairs
(I still have no idea of what that is) outthere....with my efforts to start
Handcycle Races where they belong, IPERSONALLY have done more to advance the
Sport of HANDCYCLING than thetwo individuals that are crying. Just look at the
weekend that tookplace in Indianapolis, 20 + Fast HandCyclists.....Maybe thats
theproblem....the level of competition.....HMM..NOW let me say that I too was a
little irritated that the paper quotedme as if I were asking Cyclists to sue
road races.....I said I amsurprised it has not happened yet....But other than
that, the truth hurts don't it? I mean I told this guyI had my bike in my car
but I planned to do a bike race later....thatI love both sports, but felt that
the Handcycle has its place and thatis not of a FOOT race....especially when we
are creating a doublestandard to the able body world. IF the the point is lets
just all get out there and have fun, whydon't we scrap the entire competitive
aspect of it and just call itthe Handicapped person divison??!! Common!Get Real!
I'm sorry but HandCycling is just as hard on your body as thewheelchair, get
over it, stop with the BS excuses why HandCycles needto be in the foot races as
well...it is so silly. Heck, I'll just puta motor on mine and call it a Mo-Hand
(moped) and put Chair after itand whine and complain until I get to compete!!
SillyBy the way Scott, the last time I raced you, I believe I beatyou.....and
your best time is only 2 mins better than mine on thatcourse. Considering I had
been down with a broken back and twosurgeries, with full activity restriction
from october 2006 untilMarch 2008, I would consider that pretty good. And I beat
all but 3or 4 of the HandCycles in the crim?? Hell I could Bike it in 34 mins,
and I only bike about 3 hrs aweek....if that..I don't hate HandCycles, I hate
that They are not being introduced tothe public properly....the sport will grow
more in the cyclingarena....and this "we just want to show the sport, or
exhibition it"has gone on now for almost 10 years. All it has done is Confuse
racedirectors, the public, and irritate those who train their asses off
inchairs. How much has the sport of HandCycling Grown???? Maybe adifferent
direction, the right direction is needed???? I am sure youguys are for Obama
right? He would agree.... (course I am voting McCain)Lance RAN New York City, he
didn't ride his bike!!Anyone out there want to back me up on this?Hand-cycling
division at Crim doesn't go over well with wheelersby Dan Nilsen | The Flint
JournalSaturday August 23, 2008, 7:25 PMJohn W. Adkisson | The Flint
JournalMatthew Porterfield of Knoxville,Tenn. (front) wheels up the Bradley
Avenue hills during the Crim10-mile race Saturday morning in Flint.FLINT,
Michigan â€" They weren't very close to begin with, and now therift between some
wheelchair racers and hand-cyclists has widened withthe inclusion of
hand-cycling as an official event in the CrimFestival of Races.Both groups raced
together in Saturday's 10-mile event, with ChadJohnson of Charlestown, Ind.,
taking the wheelchair paraplegic race in42:26 and Geoff Hopkins of
Fredricksburg, Va., winning the hand-cycleevent in 33:31. Each won $1,000 from
the Crim purse.Mark Greenley of St. Louis took the quadriplegic wheel race
in1:31.58. Jackie Henderson won the women's hand-cycle race in 53:11 inher first
competitive event.Paraplegic wheelers1. Chad Johnson, 42:262. Grant Berthiaume,
44:57Quadriplegic wheelers1. Mark Greenley, 1:31:582. LarryPorter, 2:13:35Men
hand-cycle1. Geoffrey Hopkins, 33:312. John Gilger, 34:04Women hand-cycle1.
Jackie Henderson, 53:112. Stevie Beale, 1:41:05Hopkins is one of many wheelers
who have switched over to thehand-cycle chair, which is propelled much the same
as a bicycle,except with hands moving the gear instead of feet."More people are
turning to hand-cycling because it's easier on yourbody and there's not as much
of a learning curve," said Hopkins, 42,who has been racing for 20 years, the
last eight with a hand cycle."This is just like a bike. With the push rim (a
regular racingwheelchair), you really have to know how to push into that rim to
getthe most energy, and some people never learn it, including
myself."Hand-cyclists have raced in the Crim since 2004, but this is the
firstyear it became an official event.Johnson feels they belong in a bicycling
race, not a running event."That's a bicycle and it's illegal," said Johnson, 33.
"I'm callingall bicycle groups and clubs to to sue any race that has hand
cyclesin it to get your bike in there and ride it."It's completely unfair.
People shouldn't use their disability totheir advantage to blur the sports of
running and cycling."Johnson said the wheelchair division has been shrinking
sincehand-cycles have been allowed in, and the Crim entries bear that
out.Saturday's races had 22 hand-cyclists to six paraplegic wheelers andtwo
quadriplegic wheelers.They don't co-exist well, Johnson said."I didn't have
freedom of the road because they start us alltogether," he said. "Cycles go a
little slower, they take turnsdifferent than we do. Do you draft them or not
draft them?"I'm afraid of a wreck, so I had to hold back in the first mile."As
for the race, Johnson said he led Matthew Porterfield for the firstquarter mile,
fell behind, then pulled alongside Porterfield going upa hill."At the very top
of the second hill, I kind of hammered out and tookthe lead a little," he said.
"He drafted, but I held that lead untilthe first big hill."I made it permanent
at the Bradley hills. Whoever gets there first wins."Johnson wound up winning by
2:31 over Grant Berthiaume of Tucson, withPorterfield third in 45:28.Hopkins
rolled alongside four-time defending hand-cycle champ GlenAshlock of Brooklyn,
Mich., with 1997 Crim wheelchair champ JohnGilger of Elyria, Ohio, hanging close
behind."We went through the hills together, but I started losing them alittle in
the hills," Hopkins said. "Then on the down hills I justtook off, and (miles) 6,
7 and 8, I couldn't see them anymore."Hopkins won by 33 seconds over Gilger, who
nipped Ashlock by twoseconds for second place. Linden's Travis Peruski was
fourth in 36:42.Henderson, 30, who only started training seriously a month ago,
won bynearly 48 minutes over Stevie Beale of Lambertville.Greenley, 49, beat
Larry Porter of Springfield, Ill., by 41:37.>>>  8/26/2008 11:08 AM>>>As a past
winner of this event. " And about 4 minutes faster than Chad "He is only showing
how slow he is. The whole point is to get outthere, and compete. I have had to
give up the sport, of wheelchair racingbecause of the strain on wrist and hands.
U see all the time runners whoare in there 70's or higher still competing, but
even some of the best diehard w/c racers have had to retire because of the stain
the sport exhorts.Maybe with a turn out of 5 or 6 wheelchair racer, they should
justcancelthe w/c event and have a handcycle division "only" but unlike Chad I
wantto see as many athletes out there!!!!!!Well my 2 centsMen para winners
Crim1987 Jim Mortinson 49:141988 Butch Martin 44:501989 Arthur Hope 1:00:511990
Scot Hollenbeck 41:561991 Scot Hollonbeck 39:561992 Scot Hollonbeck 37:101993
Tony Iniquez 37:521994 Scot Hollonbeck 36:071995 James Briggs 35:561996 Gavin
Foulsham 36:571997 John S. Gilger 38:511998 Scot Hollonbeck 38:271999 Krige
Schabort 36:442000 Adam Bleakney 41:352001 Krige Schabort 35:182002 Krige
Schabort 39:052003 Krige Schabort 36:362004 Tony Iniquez 40:062005 Tony Iniquez
40:00Women para winners1989 Patricia Ford 1:07:591990 Candace Cable 46:351991
Candace Cable 45:191992 Debbie LaPlante 58:101993 Ann Walters 49:521994 Jean
Driscoll 43:201995 Ann Walters 47:431996 Darlene Hunter 52:271997 Jean Driscoll
48:301998 No entrants1999 Jean Driscoll 44:462000 Miriam Nibley 46:372001
Christina Ripp 46:232002 Tricia Downing 1:04:492003 Miriam Nibley 48:022004
Miriam Nibley 51:132005 Christy Campbell 1:16:33
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I'm with Chad on this one.  If you can't push a racing chair maybe you should
find another sport, like bicycle racing.  I know that in the US cycling in
general isn't as popular and the only event to get on TV are the Tour de France.
But if all you really want to do is compete there are lots of local cycling
events if you just look for them.  Most dont' have handcycle divisions yet but
thats only because they haven't been asked to host them.  Go to www.BikeReg.com
and look for some local races and contact the race director.  Do it early
though, don't call them the night before and expect them to bend over backwards
for you.  Criterium races are tough to integrate because there is only so much
time in the events schedule and they already have lots of divisions but time
trials are fairly easy to add another division to.  And if you start with a
couple time trials you can build some contacts among the local cyclists and
eventually, if you have enough athletes, get into some crits and road races. 
The wheelchair racers in the 70's and 80's had to start small and build the
sport, now handcyclists have to do the same and the longer you insist on taking
part in foot races the more damage you'll do the sport of wheelchair racing and
delay the growth of your own sport.  If you look to Canada and Europe, I know
Chad hates that idea on principle, but their handcyclists take part in cycling
events and I'm guessing that most of the handcycling medals in Beijing are going
to go to athletes from those countries.



Erik



To: handcycling@...: highspeedcjb@...: Tue, 26 Aug
2008 19:09:26 +0000Subject: [handcycling] IN response to the Crim 10 Mile
article




Please see the article below and Comments made by two individuals thatwere
there.Let me be clear, I had no intention of an article like this beingwritten,
I was ASKED for my opinion and I gave it, and NOT in an angryway...I was very
happy to have just one the Wheelchair division..To all offended.You can be upset
and angry at the article and the way it was writtenall you want, hell hate me
all you want. But it still does not changethe Basic point. Both Sports are being
stifled due to "Crank Chairs"or "Hand Bikes" doing their best to ruin Wheelchair
races. The USHFhas stance on this, yet not very firm, that it does not encourage
theuse of HandCycles in Running events where Roller Blades nor Bicyclesare
present...I believe. If some of you take notice, you complainersand Crank Chairs
(I still have no idea of what that is) outthere....with my efforts to start
Handcycle Races where they belong, IPERSONALLY have done more to advance the
Sport of HANDCYCLING than thetwo individuals that are crying. Just look at the
weekend that tookplace in Indianapolis, 20 + Fast HandCyclists.....Maybe thats
theproblem....the level of competition.....HMM..NOW let me say that I too was a
little irritated that the paper quotedme as if I were asking Cyclists to sue
road races.....I said I amsurprised it has not happened yet....But other than
that, the truth hurts don't it? I mean I told this guyI had my bike in my car
but I planned to do a bike race later....thatI love both sports, but felt that
the Handcycle has its place and thatis not of a FOOT race....especially when we
are creating a doublestandard to the able body world. IF the the point is lets
just all get out there and have fun, whydon't we scrap the entire competitive
aspect of it and just call itthe Handicapped person divison??!! Common!Get Real!
I'm sorry but HandCycling is just as hard on your body as thewheelchair, get
over it, stop with the BS excuses why HandCycles needto be in the foot races as
well...it is so silly. Heck, I'll just puta motor on mine and call it a Mo-Hand
(moped) and put Chair after itand whine and complain until I get to compete!!
SillyBy the way Scott, the last time I raced you, I believe I beatyou.....and
your best time is only 2 mins better than mine on thatcourse. Considering I had
been down with a broken back and twosurgeries, with full activity restriction
from october 2006 untilMarch 2008, I would consider that pretty good. And I beat
all but 3or 4 of the HandCycles in the crim?? Hell I could Bike it in 34 mins,
and I only bike about 3 hrs aweek....if that..I don't hate HandCycles, I hate
that They are not being introduced tothe public properly....the sport will grow
more in the cyclingarena....and this "we just want to show the sport, or
exhibition it"has gone on now for almost 10 years. All it has done is Confuse
racedirectors, the public, and irritate those who train their asses off
inchairs. How much has the sport of HandCycling Grown???? Maybe adifferent
direction, the right direction is needed???? I am sure youguys are for Obama
right? He would agree.... (course I am voting McCain)Lance RAN New York City, he
didn't ride his bike!!Anyone out there want to back me up on this?Hand-cycling
division at Crim doesn't go over well with wheelersby Dan Nilsen | The Flint
JournalSaturday August 23, 2008, 7:25 PMJohn W. Adkisson | The Flint
JournalMatthew Porterfield of Knoxville,Tenn. (front) wheels up the Bradley
Avenue hills during the Crim10-mile race Saturday morning in Flint.FLINT,
Michigan â€" They weren't very close to begin with, and now therift between some
wheelchair racers and hand-cyclists has widened withthe inclusion of
hand-cycling as an official event in the CrimFestival of Races.Both groups raced
together in Saturday's 10-mile event, with ChadJohnson of Charlestown, Ind.,
taking the wheelchair paraplegic race in42:26 and Geoff Hopkins of
Fredricksburg, Va., winning the hand-cycleevent in 33:31. Each won $1,000 from
the Crim purse.Mark Greenley of St. Louis took the quadriplegic wheel race
in1:31.58. Jackie Henderson won the women's hand-cycle race in 53:11 inher first
competitive event.Paraplegic wheelers1. Chad Johnson, 42:262. Grant Berthiaume,
44:57Quadriplegic wheelers1. Mark Greenley, 1:31:582. LarryPorter, 2:13:35Men
hand-cycle1. Geoffrey Hopkins, 33:312. John Gilger, 34:04Women hand-cycle1.
Jackie Henderson, 53:112. Stevie Beale, 1:41:05Hopkins is one of many wheelers
who have switched over to thehand-cycle chair, which is propelled much the same
as a bicycle,except with hands moving the gear instead of feet."More people are
turning to hand-cycling because it's easier on yourbody and there's not as much
of a learning curve," said Hopkins, 42,who has been racing for 20 years, the
last eight with a hand cycle."This is just like a bike. With the push rim (a
regular racingwheelchair), you really have to know how to push into that rim to
getthe most energy, and some people never learn it, including
myself."Hand-cyclists have raced in the Crim since 2004, but this is the
firstyear it became an official event.Johnson feels they belong in a bicycling
race, not a running event."That's a bicycle and it's illegal," said Johnson, 33.
"I'm callingall bicycle groups and clubs to to sue any race that has hand
cyclesin it to get your bike in there and ride it."It's completely unfair.
People shouldn't use their disability totheir advantage to blur the sports of
running and cycling."Johnson said the wheelchair division has been shrinking
sincehand-cycles have been allowed in, and the Crim entries bear that
out.Saturday's races had 22 hand-cyclists to six paraplegic wheelers andtwo
quadriplegic wheelers.They don't co-exist well, Johnson said."I didn't have
freedom of the road because they start us alltogether," he said. "Cycles go a
little slower, they take turnsdifferent than we do. Do you draft them or not
draft them?"I'm afraid of a wreck, so I had to hold back in the first mile."As
for the race, Johnson said he led Matthew Porterfield for the firstquarter mile,
fell behind, then pulled alongside Porterfield going upa hill."At the very top
of the second hill, I kind of hammered out and tookthe lead a little," he said.
"He drafted, but I held that lead untilthe first big hill."I made it permanent
at the Bradley hills. Whoever gets there first wins."Johnson wound up winning by
2:31 over Grant Berthiaume of Tucson, withPorterfield third in 45:28.Hopkins
rolled alongside four-time defending hand-cycle champ GlenAshlock of Brooklyn,
Mich., with 1997 Crim wheelchair champ JohnGilger of Elyria, Ohio, hanging close
behind."We went through the hills together, but I started losing them alittle in
the hills," Hopkins said. "Then on the down hills I justtook off, and (miles) 6,
7 and 8, I couldn't see them anymore."Hopkins won by 33 seconds over Gilger, who
nipped Ashlock by twoseconds for second place. Linden's Travis Peruski was
fourth in 36:42.Henderson, 30, who only started training seriously a month ago,
won bynearly 48 minutes over Stevie Beale of Lambertville.Greenley, 49, beat
Larry Porter of Springfield, Ill., by 41:37.>>> <sgilger@...>
8/26/2008 11:08 AM >>>As a past winner of this event. " And about 4 minutes
faster than Chad "He is only showing how slow he is. The whole point is to get
outthere, and compete. I have had to give up the sport, of wheelchair
racingbecause of the strain on wrist and hands. U see all the time runners
whoare in there 70's or higher still competing, but even some of the best
diehard w/c racers have had to retire because of the stain the sport
exhorts.Maybe with a turn out of 5 or 6 wheelchair racer, they should
justcancelthe w/c event and have a handcycle division "only" but unlike Chad I
wantto see as many athletes out there!!!!!!Well my 2 centsMen para winners
Crim1987 Jim Mortinson 49:141988 Butch Martin 44:501989 Arthur Hope 1:00:511990
Scot Hollenbeck 41:561991 Scot Hollonbeck 39:561992 Scot Hollonbeck 37:101993
Tony Iniquez 37:521994 Scot Hollonbeck 36:071995 James Briggs 35:561996 Gavin
Foulsham 36:571997 John S. Gilger 38:511998 Scot Hollonbeck 38:271999 Krige
Schabort 36:442000 Adam Bleakney 41:352001 Krige Schabort 35:182002 Krige
Schabort 39:052003 Krige Schabort 36:362004 Tony Iniquez 40:062005 Tony Iniquez
40:00Women para winners1989 Patricia Ford 1:07:591990 Candace Cable 46:351991
Candace Cable 45:191992 Debbie LaPlante 58:101993 Ann Walters 49:521994 Jean
Driscoll 43:201995 Ann Walters 47:431996 Darlene Hunter 52:271997 Jean Driscoll
48:301998 No entrants1999 Jean Driscoll 44:462000 Miriam Nibley 46:372001
Christina Ripp 46:232002 Tricia Downing 1:04:492003 Miriam Nibley 48:022004
Miriam Nibley 51:132005 Christy Campbell 1:16:33





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Please see the article below and Comments made by two individuals that
were there.

Let me be clear, I had no intention of an article like this being
written, I was ASKED for my opinion and I gave it, and NOT in an angry
way...I was very happy to have just one the Wheelchair division..

To all offended.
You can be upset and angry at the article and the way it was written
all you want, hell hate me all you want.  But it still does not change
the Basic point.  Both Sports are being stifled due to "Crank Chairs"
or "Hand Bikes" doing their best to ruin Wheelchair races.  The USHF
has stance on this, yet not very firm, that it does not encourage the
use of HandCycles in Running events where Roller Blades nor Bicycles
are present...I believe.  If some of you take notice, you complainers
and Crank Chairs (I still have no idea of what that is) out
there....with my efforts to start Handcycle Races where they belong, I
PERSONALLY have done more to advance the Sport of HANDCYCLING than the
two individuals that are crying.  Just look at the weekend that took
place in Indianapolis, 20 +  Fast HandCyclists.....Maybe thats the
problem....the level of competition.....HMM..

NOW let me say that I too was a little irritated that the paper quoted
me as if I were asking Cyclists to sue road races.....I said I am
surprised it has not happened yet....
But other than that, the truth hurts don't it?  I mean I told this guy
I had my bike in my car but I planned to do a bike race later....that
I love both sports, but felt that the Handcycle has its place and that
is not of a FOOT race....especially when we are creating a double
standard to the able body world.
IF the the point is lets just all get out there and have fun, why
don't we scrap the entire competitive aspect of it and just call it
the Handicapped person divison??!!  Common!
Get Real!
I'm sorry but HandCycling is just as hard on your body as the
wheelchair, get over it, stop with the BS excuses why HandCycles need
to be in the foot races as well...it is so silly.  Heck, I'll just put
a motor on mine and call it a Mo-Hand (moped) and put Chair after it
and whine and complain until I get to compete!!  Silly

By the way Scott, the last time I raced you, I believe I beat
you.....and your best time is only 2 mins better than mine on that
course.  Considering I had been down with a broken back and two
surgeries, with full activity restriction from october 2006 until
March 2008, I would consider that pretty good.  And I beat all but 3
or 4 of the HandCycles in the crim??
Hell I could Bike it in 34 mins, and I only bike about 3 hrs a
week....if that..


I don't hate HandCycles, I hate that They are not being introduced to
the public properly....the sport will grow more in the cycling
arena....and this "we just want to show the sport, or exhibition it"
has gone on now for almost 10 years.  All it has done is Confuse race
directors, the public, and irritate those who train their asses off in
chairs.  How much has the sport of HandCycling Grown????  Maybe a
different direction, the right direction is needed????  I am sure you
guys are for Obama right?  He would agree....  (course I am voting McCain)

Lance RAN New York City, he didn't ride his bike!!

Anyone out there want to back me up on this?
Hand-cycling division at Crim doesn't go over well with wheelers
by Dan Nilsen | The Flint Journal
Saturday August 23, 2008, 7:25 PM
John W. Adkisson | The Flint JournalMatthew Porterfield of Knoxville,
Tenn. (front) wheels up the Bradley Avenue hills during the Crim
10-mile race Saturday morning in Flint.

FLINT, Michigan â€" They weren't very close to begin with, and now the
rift between some wheelchair racers and hand-cyclists has widened with
the inclusion of hand-cycling as an official event in the Crim
Festival of Races.

Both groups raced together in Saturday's 10-mile event, with Chad
Johnson of Charlestown, Ind., taking the wheelchair paraplegic race in
42:26 and Geoff Hopkins of Fredricksburg, Va., winning the hand-cycle
event in 33:31. Each won $1,000 from the Crim purse.

Mark Greenley of St. Louis took the quadriplegic wheel race in
1:31.58. Jackie Henderson won the women's hand-cycle race in 53:11 in
her first competitive event.

Paraplegic wheelers

1. Chad Johnson, 42:26

2. Grant Berthiaume, 44:57

Quadriplegic wheelers

1. Mark Greenley, 1:31:58

2. LarryPorter, 2:13:35

Men hand-cycle

1. Geoffrey Hopkins, 33:31

2. John Gilger, 34:04

Women hand-cycle

1. Jackie Henderson, 53:11

2. Stevie Beale, 1:41:05
Hopkins is one of many wheelers who have switched over to the
hand-cycle chair, which is propelled much the same as a bicycle,
except with hands moving the gear instead of feet.

"More people are turning to hand-cycling because it's easier on your
body and there's not as much of a learning curve," said Hopkins, 42,
who has been racing for 20 years, the last eight with a hand cycle.

"This is just like a bike. With the push rim (a regular racing
wheelchair), you really have to know how to push into that rim to get
the most energy, and some people never learn it, including myself."

Hand-cyclists have raced in the Crim since 2004, but this is the first
year it became an official event.

Johnson feels they belong in a bicycling race, not a running event.

"That's a bicycle and it's illegal," said Johnson, 33. "I'm calling
all bicycle groups and clubs to to sue any race that has hand cycles
in it to get your bike in there and ride it.
"It's completely unfair. People shouldn't use their disability to
their advantage to blur the sports of running and cycling."

Johnson said the wheelchair division has been shrinking since
hand-cycles have been allowed in, and the Crim entries bear that out.
Saturday's races had 22 hand-cyclists to six paraplegic wheelers and
two quadriplegic wheelers.

They don't co-exist well, Johnson said.

"I didn't have freedom of the road because they start us all
together," he said. "Cycles go a little slower, they take turns
different than we do. Do you draft them or not draft them?

"I'm afraid of a wreck, so I had to hold back in the first mile."

As for the race, Johnson said he led Matthew Porterfield for the first
quarter mile, fell behind, then pulled alongside Porterfield going up
a hill.

"At the very top of the second hill, I kind of hammered out and took
the lead a little," he said. "He drafted, but I held that lead until
the first big hill.

"I made it permanent at the Bradley hills. Whoever gets there first wins."

Johnson wound up winning by 2:31 over Grant Berthiaume of Tucson, with
Porterfield third in 45:28.

Hopkins rolled alongside four-time defending hand-cycle champ Glen
Ashlock of Brooklyn, Mich., with 1997 Crim wheelchair champ John
Gilger of Elyria, Ohio, hanging close behind.

"We went through the hills together, but I started losing them a
little in the hills," Hopkins said. "Then on the down hills I just
took off, and (miles) 6, 7 and 8, I couldn't see them anymore."

Hopkins won by 33 seconds over Gilger, who nipped Ashlock by two
seconds for second place. Linden's Travis Peruski was fourth in 36:42.

Henderson, 30, who only started training seriously a month ago, won by
nearly 48 minutes over Stevie Beale of Lambertville.

Greenley, 49, beat Larry Porter of Springfield, Ill., by 41:37.


>>> <sgilger@...> 8/26/2008 11:08 AM >>>
As a past winner of this event. " And about  4  minutes faster than Chad "
He is only showing how slow he is.      The whole point is to get out
there, and compete.  I have had to give up the sport, of wheelchair racing
because of the strain on wrist and hands.   U see all the time
runners who
are in there 70's or higher still competing, but even some of the best die
hard w/c racers have had to retire because of the stain the sport exhorts.

Maybe with a turn out  of  5 or 6 wheelchair racer, they should just
cancel
the w/c event and have a  handcycle division "only" but unlike Chad I want
to see as many athletes out there!!!!!!

Well my 2 cents



Men para winners Crim

1987   Jim Mortinson    49:14

1988   Butch Martin     44:50

1989   Arthur Hope      1:00:51

1990   Scot Hollenbeck  41:56

1991   Scot Hollonbeck  39:56

1992   Scot Hollonbeck  37:10

1993   Tony Iniquez     37:52

1994   Scot Hollonbeck  36:07

1995   James Briggs     35:56

1996   Gavin Foulsham   36:57

1997   John S. Gilger   38:51

1998   Scot Hollonbeck  38:27

1999   Krige Schabort   36:44

2000   Adam Bleakney    41:35

2001   Krige Schabort   35:18

2002   Krige Schabort   39:05

2003   Krige Schabort   36:36

2004   Tony Iniquez     40:06

2005   Tony Iniquez     40:00





Women para winners

1989   Patricia Ford    1:07:59

1990   Candace Cable    46:35

1991   Candace Cable    45:19

1992   Debbie LaPlante  58:10

1993   Ann Walters      49:52

1994   Jean Driscoll    43:20

1995   Ann Walters      47:43

1996   Darlene Hunter   52:27

1997   Jean Driscoll    48:30

1998   No entrants

1999   Jean Driscoll    44:46

2000   Miriam Nibley    46:37

2001   Christina Ripp   46:23

2002   Tricia Downing   1:04:49

2003   Miriam Nibley    48:02

2004   Miriam Nibley    51:13

2005   Christy Campbell 1:16:33

Please see the article below and Comments made by two individuals that
were there.

Let me be clear, I had no intention of an article like this being
written, I was ASKED for my opinion and I gave it, and NOT in an angry
way...I was very happy to have just one the Wheelchair division..

To all offended.
You can be upset and angry at the article and the way it was written
all you want, hell hate me all you want.  But it still does not change
the Basic point.  Both Sports are being stifled due to "Crank Chairs"
or "Hand Bikes" doing their best to ruin Wheelchair races.  The USHF
has stance on this, yet not very firm, that it does not encourage the
use of HandCycles in Running events where Roller Blades nor Bicycles
are present...I believe.  If some of you take notice, you complainers
and Crank Chairs (I still have no idea of what that is) out
there....with my efforts to start Handcycle Races where they belong, I
PERSONALLY have done more to advance the Sport of HANDCYCLING than the
two individuals that are crying.  Just look at the weekend that took
place in Indianapolis, 20 +  Fast HandCyclists.....Maybe thats the
problem....the level of competition.....HMM..

NOW let me say that I too was a little irritated that the paper quoted
me as if I were asking Cyclists to sue road races.....I said I am
surprised it has not happened yet....
But other than that, the truth hurts don't it?  I mean I told this guy
I had my bike in my car but I planned to do a bike race later....that
I love both sports, but felt that the Handcycle has its place and that
is not of a FOOT race....especially when we are creating a double
standard to the able body world.
IF the the point is lets just all get out there and have fun, why
don't we scrap the entire competitive aspect of it and just call it
the Handicapped person divison??!!  Common!
Get Real!
I'm sorry but HandCycling is just as hard on your body as the
wheelchair, get over it, stop with the BS excuses why HandCycles need
to be in the foot races as well...it is so silly.  Heck, I'll just put
a motor on mine and call it a Mo-Hand (moped) and put Chair after it
and whine and complain until I get to compete!!  Silly

By the way Scott, the last time I raced you, I believe I beat
you.....and your best time is only 2 mins better than mine on that
course.  Considering I had been down with a broken back and two
surgeries, with full activity restriction from october 2006 until
March 2008, I would consider that pretty good.  And I beat all but 3
or 4 of the HandCycles in the crim??
Hell I could Bike it in 34 mins, and I only bike about 3 hrs a
week....if that..


I don't hate HandCycles, I hate that They are not being introduced to
the public properly....the sport will grow more in the cycling
arena....and this "we just want to show the sport, or exhibition it"
has gone on now for almost 10 years.  All it has done is Confuse race
directors, the public, and irritate those who train their asses off in
chairs.  How much has the sport of HandCycling Grown????  Maybe a
different direction, the right direction is needed????  I am sure you
guys are for Obama right?  He would agree....  (course I am voting McCain)

Lance RAN New York City, he didn't ride his bike!!

Anyone out there want to back me up on this?

So I've commited to my first race. I'm not sure that I'm race ready but I
figured what the hell. It's going to be a short 5k race as a handcycling
exhibition at an able-bodied criterium. I'm still waiting to hear what kind of
terrain it will be on.
 
I only have two weeks until the race but would like to make whatever gains I can
in speed since the race is so short. So basically, I'm just looking for any type
of suggestions or tips you all might have for a pretty inexperienced rider.
 
 
Bucky

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Hi Everyone
     We've been working on putting things together for the Innagural Green
Mountain Stage Race Handcycle Division on August 30th.  The US Handcycling
Federation has offered some funds so that we can offer some travel and prize
money.  I attached a break down of what we can offer.
     If this event is going to take place this year we are going to need more
athletes to register soon.  Because the schedule for the rest of hte event is so
tight we are only going to be able to make this happen if we have a minimum of
10 athletes registered by August 1st.  We still have a couple travel stipends
available for the next few racers to register that will cover the entry fee and
some gas money.
     This is an opportunity to be part of a unique event, this is the only
able-bodies cycling event in the Northeast that is trying to establish a
handycling devision.  Plus Waitsfield VT is one of the most beautifull parts of
the country and this is a great reason/excuse to visit.


Erik Corbett
Program Director
AbilityPLUS at Attitash
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Mike Postel and Vern Achenback!   SWEET good to see you guys are still
involved.  Tell them hi for me...!  As for Mike impressing you.  He
has been around a long time and has lots of experience.


Craig Blanchette
On Jul 14, 2008, at 5:46 AM, highspeedcjb wrote:

> I have to say I am very disappointed with the # of Athletes that
> turned out this year in Louisville. I was very surprised not to see
> several individuals from Michigan and Ohio come out for what was a
> fantastic set of Criterium Races! So much for "just wanting to
> compete" eh? Not to worry, next year I think we may add a Wheelchair
> Division...that should help! :)
>
> I want to Thank Vern, Tom, Mike, Greg, Paul, and Carly for their
> support of the Louisville Metro Police Foundation Crit on Saturday,
> and for taking advantage of the Prize Money that paid 15 places! Not
> to mention the $100 in Prizes that Mike Postel cycled off with!
>
> July 12th, LMPF Crit Results:
> 1st Mike Postel
> 2nd Vern Achenbach
> 3rd Dennis Clark
> 4th Chad Johnson
> 5th Greg Queen
> 6th Thomas Kahler
> 7th Carly W.
> 8th Paul Erway
>
> I might mention that in his first race, Mike Postel really impressed
> me!
>
> This was the first year for the Norton Commons Crit and all I had to
> do was ask if they could add HandCycles....they did. As well as $500
> in Prize money that we very carefully split 4 ways!
> The Norton Commons Crit was the most beautiful Bike course I have ever
> Cycled, aside from the scenery of Colorado. It is a new community of
> homes and shops....with the most freshly paved road I have ever seen,
> and it must have been paved just for this event! Flat, Smooth, Black,
> and FAST!
>
> July 13th, Norton Commons Crit Results:
> 1st Mike Postel
> 2nd Vern Achenbach
> 3rd Chad Johnson
> 4th Greg Queen (even with a wrecked front tire)
>
> To everyone out there that doubts that Cycling events want HandCycles
> or will let us into their events. This again is proof that your
> assumptions are false. The Cyclists and Sponsors want us there!
> CONTACT THEM! It is sooooo easy....
> AND by the way, you guys in Michigan....don't be surprised if a race
> on the 2nd of August comes up with a HandCycle Division.....check
> www.2wheelsports.com I am certain if you contact the 2008 Mosaic
> Properties ADA Criterium. They will Add HandCycles if they can!
>
> Peace
> CJ
>
>
>



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If you have clear access to the spindle on both sides any trainer
should work.  If you have legs you might have to experiment a bit on
what works best.  I would take my bike to a bike shop and test out a
variety of trainers and see what you like best.

Craig Blanchette

On Jul 11, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Bucky Webb wrote:

> Invacare XLT Gold
>
> --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Craig Blanchette <craig@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: Craig Blanchette <craig@...>
> Subject: Re: [handcycling] Indoor Trainers
> To: handcycling@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 2:20 PM
>
> depends on the handcycle.
>
> On Jul 11, 2008, at 11:04 AM, bucky_webb wrote:
>
> > Do any of you guys use indoor trainers with your handbikes? If so,
> any
> > suggestions for someone buying their first? Any mods needed to make
> > them fit a handcycle?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Bucky
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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www.mbra.org
Go Here....Target two day events.
There I have done half the work for ya!
Michigan Bicycle Racing Association www.mbra.org

I have to say I am very disappointed with the # of Athletes that
turned out this year in Louisville.  I was very surprised not to see
several individuals from Michigan and Ohio come out for what was a
fantastic set of Criterium Races!  So much for "just wanting to
compete" eh?  Not to worry, next year I think we may add a Wheelchair
Division...that should help! :)

I want to Thank Vern, Tom, Mike, Greg, Paul, and Carly for their
support of the Louisville Metro Police Foundation Crit on Saturday,
and for taking advantage of the Prize Money that paid 15 places!  Not
to mention the $100 in Prizes that Mike Postel cycled off with!

July 12th, LMPF Crit Results:
1st Mike Postel
2nd Vern Achenbach
3rd Dennis Clark
4th Chad Johnson
5th Greg Queen
6th Thomas Kahler
7th Carly W.
8th Paul Erway

I might mention that in his first race, Mike Postel really impressed me!

This was the first year for the Norton Commons Crit and all I had to
do was ask if they could add HandCycles....they did.  As well as $500
in Prize money that we very carefully split 4 ways!
The Norton Commons Crit was the most beautiful Bike course I have ever
Cycled, aside from the scenery of Colorado.  It is a new community of
homes and shops....with the most freshly paved road I have ever seen,
and it must have been paved just for this event!  Flat, Smooth, Black,
and FAST!

July 13th, Norton Commons Crit Results:
1st Mike Postel
2nd Vern Achenbach
3rd Chad Johnson
4th Greg Queen (even with a wrecked front tire)

To everyone out there that doubts that Cycling events want HandCycles
or will let us into their events.  This again is proof that your
assumptions are false.  The Cyclists and Sponsors want us there!
CONTACT THEM!  It is sooooo easy....
AND by the way, you guys in Michigan....don't be surprised if a race
on the 2nd of August comes up with a HandCycle Division.....check
www.2wheelsports.com I am certain if you contact the 2008 Mosaic
Properties ADA Criterium.  They will Add HandCycles if they can!

Peace
CJ

My XLT fit on a roller, I can't think of the brand or model right now, right out
of the box.  I took the footrests off to make it easier to get the bike on and
off the rollers but thats it.


Erik



To: handcycling@...: bucky_webb@...: Fri, 11 Jul 2008
18:04:58 +0000Subject: [handcycling] Indoor Trainers




Do any of you guys use indoor trainers with your handbikes? If so, any
suggestions for someone buying their first? Any mods needed to make them fit a
handcycle?Thanks in advance,Bucky





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Invacare XLT Gold

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Craig Blanchette <craig@...> wrote:

From: Craig Blanchette <craig@...>
Subject: Re: [handcycling] Indoor Trainers
To: handcycling@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 2:20 PM






depends on the handcycle.

On Jul 11, 2008, at 11:04 AM, bucky_webb wrote:

> Do any of you guys use indoor trainers with your handbikes? If so, any
> suggestions for someone buying their first? Any mods needed to make
> them fit a handcycle?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bucky
>
>
>

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depends on the handcycle.

On Jul 11, 2008, at 11:04 AM, bucky_webb wrote:

> Do any of you guys use indoor trainers with your handbikes? If so, any
> suggestions for someone buying their first? Any mods needed to make
> them fit a handcycle?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bucky
>
>
>



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Do any of you guys use indoor trainers with your handbikes? If so, any
suggestions for someone buying their first? Any mods needed to make
them fit a handcycle?

Thanks in advance,
Bucky

I would pack up right now for a 10+ hour ride to Louisville but I have too many
people taking off this weekend and can't get away from work. If you are thinking
of any other events I would try to join you.
Rob Liser



----- Original Message ----
From: highspeedcjb <highspeedcjb@...>
To: handcycling@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 1:21:47 PM
Subject: [handcycling] Louisville HC Races Crit/TT/Crit



RACE!!!!
As of right now I am hoping for about 5-6 local participants and 4-6
out of town racers. The local guys include people who do not race on
a regular basis at all, but are coming out to support the event!
Thank You.
As some of you know, I get nothing out of promoting the event other
than an event being created and possibly growing on a national level.
SO please support HandCycle races with your participation. I am
expecting at least 10 Bikes, myself included. Hopefully about 3 guys
from Indianapolis as well! (hint hint)

July 12th, Saturday - CRIT - LMPF

12pm is the LMPF Crit Downtown at the riverfront. Registration of
course is online. $1000 will be for 10 spots, $250, 200, 150, 100, $50
(5th-10th). www.2wheelsports. com

July 12th, Saturday Evening - TIME TRIAL

I do not know the time of the event or it's exact location. There is
a 1 mile and 8k road race that is held to benefit KY Wheelchair
Athletics, I am suggesting all HandCycles enter the 8K for a Time
Trial Event. The entry fee for this may be waived. I am anticipating
that we will receive FULL information regarding this TT at the LMPF
Crit or by email this week from Paul Erway, who is involved with KY
Sports...including time, place, parking, etc. (there is no Prize for
the TT)

July 13th, Sunday - CRIT - Norton Commons

How Awesome is it that ask and shall receive works? As you all know,
I hate HC's in Running events, well with less than a weeks notice the
Directors of the Norton Commons Crit, a new event for Louisville, have
agreed to having a HC division added to it! They have also put in
$500 that will be for what I have suggested is 11 spots, $150, 100,
50, $25 (4th-11th). The information for the event can be found at
www.2wheelsports. com.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS BEING THROWN TOGETHER AT THE LAST MINUTE
OBVIOUSLY. ASIDE FROM THE LMPF. I THOUGHT, MORE RACES, MORE
HANDCYCLISTS? ?? RIGHT? PLEASE COME AND KICK MY REAR! IF YOU CAN!:)

SLEEP!!!

All I can say is check www.hotels.com and www.motels.com and
especially www.priceline. com (they have been awesome for me this
year.) OR you can trust me when I say that there are several
affordable motels off of exit 2 for Jeffersonville Indiana, on 10th
street, about 2-3 miles from the interstate under $40 a night. There
is also a place in Clarksville Indiana for $35 a night. The places in
Jeffersonville are simple to get to, exit onto 10th street in Jeff, go
straight, and you will see em all together Right past the burger king
and then again right past the auto zone. If I get the time I will
look up some Phone #'s for those interested.

I have included an example of how easy it is to find arrangements below.

THANKS!
Your friend in sports!
Chad Johnson






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If you intend on coming to this weekends events, please drop me an
email or Phone call....
Right now I know of
Vern
Myself
Paul Erway
Bob Davis
Greg Queen
Todd Richardson

Possibles
Raffy and 2 others
Mike Sprouse

It would be a great help to me in helping all athletes planning to
attend if I know who is coming.....
I am also willing to put an athlete or two up at my House if that
would help their decision.

Any of you "crank Chairs" that do all the Michigan Wheelchair races
planning to come?  Or should we add a wheelchair division? :)
CJ

RACE!!!!
As of right now I am hoping for about 5-6 local participants and 4-6
out of town racers.  The local guys include people who do not race on
a regular basis at all, but are coming out to support the event!
Thank You.
As some of you know, I get nothing out of promoting the event other
than an event being created and possibly growing on a national level.
  SO please support HandCycle races with your participation.  I am
expecting at least 10 Bikes, myself included.  Hopefully about 3 guys
from Indianapolis as well!  (hint hint)

July 12th, Saturday - CRIT - LMPF

12pm is the LMPF Crit Downtown at the riverfront.  Registration of
course is online. $1000 will be for 10 spots, $250, 200, 150, 100, $50
(5th-10th).  www.2wheelsports.com

July 12th, Saturday Evening - TIME TRIAL

I do not know the time of the event or it's exact location.  There is
a 1 mile and 8k road race that is held to benefit KY Wheelchair
Athletics, I am suggesting all HandCycles enter the 8K for a Time
Trial Event.  The entry fee for this may be waived.  I am anticipating
that we will receive FULL information regarding this TT at the LMPF
Crit or by email this week from Paul Erway, who is involved with KY
Sports...including time, place, parking, etc.  (there is no Prize for
the TT)

July 13th, Sunday - CRIT - Norton Commons

How Awesome is it that ask and shall receive works?  As you all know,
I hate HC's in Running events, well with less than a weeks notice the
Directors of the Norton Commons Crit, a new event for Louisville, have
agreed to having a HC division added to it!  They have also put in
$500 that will be for what I have suggested is 11 spots, $150, 100,
50, $25 (4th-11th).  The information for the event can be found at
www.2wheelsports.com.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS BEING THROWN TOGETHER AT THE LAST MINUTE
OBVIOUSLY. ASIDE FROM THE LMPF.  I THOUGHT, MORE RACES, MORE
HANDCYCLISTS??? RIGHT?  PLEASE COME AND KICK MY REAR!  IF YOU CAN!:)

SLEEP!!!

All I can say is check www.hotels.com and www.motels.com and
especially www.priceline.com (they have been awesome for me this
year.) OR you can trust me when I say that there are several
affordable motels off of exit 2 for Jeffersonville Indiana, on 10th
street, about 2-3 miles from the interstate under $40 a night.  There
is also a place in Clarksville Indiana for $35 a night.  The places in
Jeffersonville are simple to get to, exit onto 10th street in Jeff, go
straight, and you will see em all together Right past the burger king
and then again right past the auto zone.  If I get the time I will
look up some Phone #'s for those interested.

I have included an example of how easy it is to find arrangements below.

THANKS!
Your friend in sports!
Chad Johnson