Just joined the group. So glad to know that there are other liberals
out there with the same passion as I do about guns and the shooting
sports in general. Anyway, I am about to purhase a Taurus Model 65
in 357 mag. Anyone with experience with this revolver?  I did own a
Model 85 and it was a good gun as I recall.  I now own a Glock 19
and a Walther P22 target model.

> Have you looked at the Brian Enos forums? These two are right on
topic:
> http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5351
> http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18299
>
The BE forums are the place to go for pistol competition info,
especially for IPSC/IDPA-type shooting.

I've played with a Vanek trigger and it's truly amazing what he can
do to a Glock trigger.  No way I'd carry one like that but for a
range gun it's great.

Sorry, no personal experiance with third-party trigger jobs.
Personally, I just polished the heck out of the stock parts, although
I've had triggers from good to horrid on different glocks, even on the
same model. Apparently this is caused by variation in the trigger
parts. If your trigger is really bad, you may want to try just getting
another set of stock parts, which should be pretty cheap.

Have you looked at the Brian Enos forums? These two are right on topic:
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5351
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18299

--Michael

On Jan 24, 2005, at 5:59 PM, hawkeye_629 wrote:

>
>  Anyone on here ever have a trigger job done on a Glock? I see lots of
>  smiths on the internet who claim to be able to vastly improve the
>  trigger but am curious to know from anyone who actually had it done.
>  In particular I'm thinking of the Vanek trigger job but would like to
>  hear about any experiences. I'm still having a hard to time getting
>  my groups less than about 9 inches at 25 yards with the Glock 35. Any
>  thoughts would be appreciated


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You make a good point re carry vs target. This 35 is for range
practice only so I might consider a more extensive job. For carry I
wouldnt do a thing outside of perhaps some polishing of parts.
Obviously the Glock was designed and made for carry/combat. I'm going
to have try my hand at taking the Glock completely apart. It seems
simple that I could do a lot on my own.

I have gotten a couple of trigger jobs done on my Glock 23.  One is
I had a Glock standard "competition trigger" put in that made its
trigger pull the 3 pound pull that is typical of the Glock 34, 35.
You can also get complete after market jobs for big bucks that
lighten it up even more.  Some almost completely do away with
the "Glock Trigger" and feel like single action triggers.

You can also get a pin installed that will not allow the trigger to
travel forward further than the striker reset point.  So its like
you always have the slack taken out of the trigger, one crisp pull.

In the end, I concluded that since I carry my Glock for self-defence
as well as fun at the range I could not justify all the tinkering
with the trigger.  The trigger was just to light for my concious to
allow, I am to afraid of a Negligent Discharge under stress.  I now
have a standard 5 pound trigger but the armorer I know has smoothed
it out.  It breaks a lot cleaner and crisper but it still is a
typical Glock trigger.  I highly recommend it.

Anyone on here ever have a trigger job done on a Glock? I see lots of
smiths on the internet who claim to be able to vastly improve the
trigger but am curious to know from anyone who actually had it done.
In particular I'm thinking of the Vanek trigger job but would like to
hear about any experiences. I'm still having a hard to time getting
my groups less than about 9 inches at 25 yards with the Glock 35. Any
thoughts would be appreciated

I have drunk from both the Cooper and the Glock fountains and find both
appealing.   The Glock water good enough to be mixed with the Cooper
caliber.......  and they seem to work well together.   Of course, I first
learned the ways of Glock on a 23 and 17, so the 21 feels a bit larger, and
I can see Michael's (below) feeling of familiarity to the 37.   The 21 I
have is larger for sure, but not unmanageable, unless you had large hands.
     I have a slight problem with the conversion from the 1911 handle angle
and the Glock, as well as the change in safety vs. not...  I have not
actually shot a HS2000/Springfield XD (the combo of features for the 1911
and Glock) but only have held them at stores and am not impressed,  others
may be.

     The .45 GAP may be a good intermediate round to make it possible to
have essentially .45 ballistics in a smaller sized pistol.  That is a good
idea, and maybe the round will hold on, especially if they start making them
for the mini-guns market.  But the venerable .45 ACP will carry on for a
long time, particularly because of the vast number guns out there for this
caliber, and for at least the now two to three generations that will still
put it up on the pedestal, and will find reasons to see the .45 GAP like the
10MM,  a well thought out round for defense and for some sport applications
due to its ability for down-loading (as Michael discusses below), but not as
kind to a pistol (or shooter) as the .40SW.

DHunt



>>> mbmcginnes@... 01/23/05 04:24PM >>>


The Frame of the 37 is the exact same size as the 35 (which is smaller
than the 20 or 21) The slide is a hair wider than the 35, but not as
wide as a 20 or 21.
I did drink the Glock Koolaid (Try some, it tastes like
strawberries.), so part of my comfort with the 37 may come from firing
thousands of rounds out of a 17.

--- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, "hawkeye_629"
<hawkeye_629@y...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply Michael, interesting comments. I suspect the
> 45GAP feels very much like a 45ACP mild load. I have not been
> drinking Cooper Koolaid but I do own two 1911's one a Kimber Gold
> Match in 45ACP and the other  Dan Wesson in 9mm. I have not held the
> new Glock 37 but it sounds like the grip is smaller the the 20 is
> that accurate? I have to confess also that the gun I'm best with is
> the Kimber, theres just somthing about the fit in my hand and I love
> the feel of recoil in 45. The 45GAP brass is actually structurally
> stronger the acp so I think reloaders should have lots of fun with it
> once components get a little more common. No doubt I'll settle my
> struggle by getting both eventually. I'm becoming fond of this Glock
> 35 so I may have to add another







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The Frame of the 37 is the exact same size as the 35 (which is smaller
than the 20 or 21) The slide is a hair wider than the 35, but not as
wide as a 20 or 21.
I did drink the Glock Koolaid (Try some, it tastes like
strawberries.), so part of my comfort with the 37 may come from firing
thousands of rounds out of a 17.

--- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, "hawkeye_629"
<hawkeye_629@y...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply Michael, interesting comments. I suspect the
> 45GAP feels very much like a 45ACP mild load. I have not been
> drinking Cooper Koolaid but I do own two 1911's one a Kimber Gold
> Match in 45ACP and the other  Dan Wesson in 9mm. I have not held the
> new Glock 37 but it sounds like the grip is smaller the the 20 is
> that accurate? I have to confess also that the gun I'm best with is
> the Kimber, theres just somthing about the fit in my hand and I love
> the feel of recoil in 45. The 45GAP brass is actually structurally
> stronger the acp so I think reloaders should have lots of fun with it
> once components get a little more common. No doubt I'll settle my
> struggle by getting both eventually. I'm becoming fond of this Glock
> 35 so I may have to add another

Thanks for the reply Michael, interesting comments. I suspect the
45GAP feels very much like a 45ACP mild load. I have not been
drinking Cooper Koolaid but I do own two 1911's one a Kimber Gold
Match in 45ACP and the other  Dan Wesson in 9mm. I have not held the
new Glock 37 but it sounds like the grip is smaller the the 20 is
that accurate? I have to confess also that the gun I'm best with is
the Kimber, theres just somthing about the fit in my hand and I love
the feel of recoil in 45. The 45GAP brass is actually structurally
stronger the acp so I think reloaders should have lots of fun with it
once components get a little more common. No doubt I'll settle my
struggle by getting both eventually. I'm becoming fond of this Glock
35 so I may have to add another

I have fired both the GLOCK 37 in 45GAP and the GLOCK 20 in 10mm, but I
don't own either. Now that I think about it, I've been lusting after
both of them, even though I'm a 9mm guy.

I like the idea of having .45ACP ballistics in a 9mm size gun, but I
never drank the Cooper-Koolaid and don't have any special feelings for
45ACP ballistics, much less the cartridge itself. Then I shot a GLOCK
37 at a GSSF match. It just shoots soft, sweet and accurate. It was
just effortless to hit a Pepper Popper at 25 yards rapid fire. The word
is comfortable. If I had any desire for a .45, I'd have a GLOCK 37.
Additionally, if you shoot a 37 at a GSSF match, you are automatically
entered into a drawing to win a gun. Finally, it amuses the hell out of
me that the 45GAP makes the 45ACP obsolete. That is not to say that
people won't continue to buy and shoot .45ACP, but the GAP does
everything the ACP can do, and in a smaller package.

I love the ballistics of the 10mm. You can either load it down to 40S&W
velocities or push it really really fast. Below  is some data from
Glocktalk to give you the idea, and I have seen hotter loads. There is
also some good information about the 10mm at
http://www.glockfaq.com/cartridge.htm

I'm tempted to conclude that the 45GAP is a good everyday gun, and the
10mm is a real performance cartridge. However, the 'less than nuclear'
loads for the 10mm are also very practical, making the 10mm a more
versatile, and still a good everyday gun. The real conclusion is, get
the 10mm if the gun fits your hand, otherwise get the 45GAP.

--McGinnes

PS: If you did drink the Cooper-Koolaid, then you will be happy to know
the 10mm is Cooper approved.

Some 10mm handload velocities:
G29:
135gr 	 1310fps
155 XTP   1263fps
165gr Sierra  1232fps
180gr XTP 1145fps
200gr XTP 1092fps

G20:
135gr  1409fps
155 XTP  1356fps
165gr Sierra 1291fps
180gr XTP 1189fps
200gr XTP 1141fps

6"KKM:
135gr  1557fps
155 XTP  1462fps
165gr Sierra 1370fps
180gr XTP 1266fps
200gr XTP 1205fps


On Jan 23, 2005, at 1:24 PM, hawkeye_629 wrote:

>
>  Anyone on here have experience with either of these calibers? I'm
>  kicking around the idea of another gun and these calibers are kind of
>  intriguing. Lots more 10mm choices around at this time (both guns and
>  ammo) but the 45GAP looks like it may become very popular. Of course
>  if Glock introduces somthing theres such a large bunch of Glock
>  groupies that it will push its popularity. Thats not meant to be
>  derisive Glocks are good guns. Any ideas?
>
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Anyone on here have experience with either of these calibers? I'm
kicking around the idea of another gun and these calibers are kind of
intriguing. Lots more 10mm choices around at this time (both guns and
ammo) but the 45GAP looks like it may become very popular. Of course
if Glock introduces somthing theres such a large bunch of Glock
groupies that it will push its popularity. Thats not meant to be
derisive Glocks are good guns. Any ideas?

I don't know how many of you buy supplies from Natchez but they have
a very good sale going on ammo. I just ordered a couple thousand
rounds of 40sw ( going to break in the new Glock 35) CCI Blazer was
6.15/box 180gr and Winchester was 6.99/box 180gr.  That's down in 9mm
range. Those prices were at the 20 box level.

Yeah, I don't use FP10 for cleaning.. It's only an oil as far as I'm
concerned.
WD-40, of all things, is awesome for cleaning hardchromed guns (it's
harn on bluing, however).  Otherwise the new Hoppes Elite seems to be
the best general-purpose cleaner I've run across, and I've tried almost
all of 'em over the years.

-----Original Message-----
From: hawkeye_629 [mailto:hawkeye_629@...]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 1:17 PM
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [guntotingliberals] gun cleaning



A lot of gun cleaning and lubrication products set off my BS alarm.
They all claim to be the best blah blah blah. I use FP 10 because it was
recomended by Kimber when I bought my Gold Match. Does it work better
than Mobil 1 ? probably not. I don't use it for cleaning, though I
should probably try it and see how it does, I just have a hard time
believing somthing with the consistency of oil can clean. I think unless
your going to use your gun in a harsh enviorenment most of the products
availabe will do just fine.





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A lot of gun cleaning and lubrication products set off my BS alarm.
They all claim to be the best blah blah blah. I use FP 10 because it
was recomended by Kimber when I bought my Gold Match. Does it work
better than Mobil 1 ? probably not. I don't use it for cleaning,
though I should probably try it and see how it does, I just have a
hard time believing somthing with the consistency of oil can clean. I
think unless your going to use your gun in a harsh enviorenment most
of the products availabe will do just fine.

It works for me in all the conditions I've tried it in, and my gunsmith (Dawson
Precision), who said "just use 30wt synthetic motor oil" for years, now says
"Use FP-10".


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael McGinnes [mailto:mbmcginnes@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:15 PM
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [guntotingliberals] gun cleaning


OK, that is two people who like FP 10, why? I looked at their website, but it
just got my BS detector humming. How is FP 10 different or better, and how do
you know? Can you really tell a difference between FP 10 and any other gun oil?
How do you test that?


On Jan 10, 2005, at 10:37 PM, <r@...> wrote:

> FP-10 for most everything.  Brian Enos' Slide Glide for top-end lube
> if  the gun isn't super-tight.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: hawkeye_629 [mailto:hawkeye_629@...]
>  Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:39 PM
>  To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: [guntotingliberals] gun cleaning
>
>
>
>  Ok here's another topic for the forum. What's your favorite products
> for  gun cleaning and lubrication? I generally end up using Prolix for
> most  of the gun, Butch's Bore Shine for the bore and FP 10 for
> lubrication.
>  At the gun shop today the owner sold me a small bottle of Militech
> stating it was the best lubrication he had ever used. Of course thats
> what everyone says about their personal favorite. So lets hear it what
> are you folks using?
>
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OK, that is two people who like FP 10, why? I looked at their website,
but it just got my BS detector humming. How is FP 10 different or
better, and how do you know? Can you really tell a difference between
FP 10 and any other gun oil? How do you test that?


On Jan 10, 2005, at 10:37 PM, <r@...> wrote:

> FP-10 for most everything.  Brian Enos' Slide Glide for top-end lube if
>  the gun isn't super-tight.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: hawkeye_629 [mailto:hawkeye_629@...]
>  Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:39 PM
>  To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: [guntotingliberals] gun cleaning
>
>
>
>  Ok here's another topic for the forum. What's your favorite products
> for
>  gun cleaning and lubrication? I generally end up using Prolix for most
>  of the gun, Butch's Bore Shine for the bore and FP 10 for lubrication.
>  At the gun shop today the owner sold me a small bottle of Militech
>  stating it was the best lubrication he had ever used. Of course thats
>  what everyone says about their personal favorite. So lets hear it what
>  are you folks using?
>
>
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I have several Gmail invitations available if anybody wants one.

Gmail is E-mail by Google.

Michael

I attended a meeting of the Virginia Citizens Defense League last night. We
have taken the lead to submit a Petition for Rulemaking to the US Secretary of
the Interior, Gale Norton, to permit legal carry in National Parks. Here is the
notice posted on the VCDL web site: http://www.vcdl.org/. CCW is permitted in
National Forests, why not National Parks?

                              -------------------------------------
"VCDL Leading The Fight For Carry In National Parks

VCDL has a Petition for Rule Making (PRM) ready to present to the Department of
the Interior. The PRM will force the Department of The Interior (DOI) to
consider allowing permit holders to carry in National Parks. They will have to
hold a public comment period and we will advise when that happens so that you
can let them know how law-abiding gun owners feel about this important issue.

For now we need as many national and state organizations to sign on to it as
possible. We are NOT looking for individuals to be a petitioner, but individuals
should contact their state and national organizations to encourage them to sign
on to the PRM ASAP.

National and state gun organizations: Print out the entire petition so you can
read it and fill in the last page. You can then either fax the last page to me
at (804) 739-8376 or you can mail the last page to me at:

Philip Van Cleave
VCDL
5509 West Bay Court
Midlothian, VA 23112-2506

I will be sending this in around February 1st, 2005, so please get the signed
pages to me as soon as possible."
                         -------------------------------------------

You can find and download the petition at:

http://www.vcdl.org/new/Petition_for_Rulemaking.pdf

Please pass this on to your local gun club, state or local gun rights
organization, sportsman's club, hunting club or any pro gun rights group.  We
are NOT looking for individuals at this time. Non gun groups like ATV'ers,
hikers, rock climbers etc. who would support this are also welcome.

Packing Org has a notice and discussion on this and a listing of organizations
who have already signed on.

http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/9912/

HELP US HERE FOLKS. We need to start somewhere. Now, with the new report from
DOJ reaffirming an INDIVIDUAL Second Amendment right, the time is ripe.

Regards,
Dennis Baron
Michelle

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What do y'all think about using RemOil?

--Nordic



--- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, "hawkeye_629"
<hawkeye_629@y...> wrote:
>
> Ok here's another topic for the forum. What's your favorite
products
> for gun cleaning and lubrication? I generally end up using Prolix
for
> most of the gun, Butch's Bore Shine for the bore and FP 10 for
> lubrication. At the gun shop today the owner sold me a small bottle
> of Militech stating it was the best lubrication he had ever used.
Of
> course thats what everyone says about their personal favorite. So
> lets hear it what are you folks using?

FP-10 for most everything.  Brian Enos' Slide Glide for top-end lube if
the gun isn't super-tight.

-----Original Message-----
From: hawkeye_629 [mailto:hawkeye_629@...]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:39 PM
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [guntotingliberals] gun cleaning



Ok here's another topic for the forum. What's your favorite products for
gun cleaning and lubrication? I generally end up using Prolix for most
of the gun, Butch's Bore Shine for the bore and FP 10 for lubrication.
At the gun shop today the owner sold me a small bottle of Militech
stating it was the best lubrication he had ever used. Of course thats
what everyone says about their personal favorite. So lets hear it what
are you folks using?

Ok here's another topic for the forum. What's your favorite products
for gun cleaning and lubrication? I generally end up using Prolix for
most of the gun, Butch's Bore Shine for the bore and FP 10 for
lubrication. At the gun shop today the owner sold me a small bottle
of Militech stating it was the best lubrication he had ever used. Of
course thats what everyone says about their personal favorite. So
lets hear it what are you folks using?

Thanks for the info. It does seem to get a bit hysterical and when you consider
the sheer number of Glocks in use out there you would expect a higher number of
failures. Probably helps the aftermarket folks too. I think I'll find an ammo it
likes and buy 1000 rounds just to get used to the gun, then I can experiment
with some reloads.

Michael McGinnes <mbmcginnes@...> wrote:I own a 35 and a 27 in .40 S&W,
and a 17 in 9mm. I have never had any
problems with any of them, even when using AA#5 :-) I think the whole
kaBoom thing is being way overblown (no pun intended) in order to sell
shooting magazines and get eyeballs to a website. There really is no
reliable evidence that .40 Glocks are any more likely to kB than any
other gun. That being said, it is possible to blow up any gun if you
try hard enough.

As far as after market barrels, I think the only good reasons to get
one are to get more accuracy and/or to shoot lead bullets. If you
notice on the kB website, one of the kB-ed barrels is an after-market
barrel. What does that tell you?



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I own a 35 and a 27 in .40 S&W, and a 17 in 9mm. I have never had any
problems with any of them, even when using AA#5 :-) I think the whole
kaBoom thing is being way overblown (no pun intended) in order to sell
shooting magazines and get eyeballs to a website. There really is no
reliable evidence that .40 Glocks are any more likely to kB than any
other gun. That being said, it is possible to blow up any gun if you
try hard enough.

As far as after market barrels, I think the only good reasons to get
one are to get more accuracy and/or to shoot lead bullets. If you
notice on the kB website, one of the kB-ed barrels is an after-market
barrel. What does that tell you?

I used #5 long ago, but I believe it's changed manufacturers since then.
It sure looks different anyway.  These days I use Titegroup and WST.

-----Original Message-----
From: es gi [mailto:hawkeye_629@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:47 AM
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [guntotingliberals] glock


that's good to hear. one of the powders that keep coming up is accurate
arms #5. one of my favorite powders but seems to be referenced a lot as
one you shouldn't use in 40sw. any experience with it in your 40
reloads?

r@... wrote:I've put thousands of my reloads through my .40
Glocks.  Don't push max loads, throw away bulged brass and keep good
reload quality control and you'll be fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: hawkeye_629 [mailto:hawkeye_629@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:54 AM
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [guntotingliberals] glock



Thanks for all the input. I know there is lots of controversy re Glocks
especially around kb's. Naturally I bought a 40sw caliber which is at
the center of the debate. Thinking I might buy a new barrel with more
support just to make me feel a little better. Might have a trigger job
done but then if I put all that money into I probably should have gotten
a Hi Power to begin with. Ohh well such is the life of a gun enthusiast.
I have never broken down a Makarov but have always heard its a dream.
Any thoughts out there on the 40 sw kb debate? I did inspect the brass
from the first 100 I shot and there is a detectable bulge at the rim.
Hmmmm. The Glock manual says only new ammo and no reloads. Till I decide
to replace the barrel I might follow the book (even though it goes
against my nature)






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that's good to hear. one of the powders that keep coming up is accurate arms #5.
one of my favorite powders but seems to be referenced a lot as one you shouldn't
use in 40sw. any experience with it in your 40 reloads?

r@... wrote:I've put thousands of my reloads through my .40 Glocks. 
Don't push max
loads, throw away bulged brass and keep good reload quality control and
you'll be fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: hawkeye_629 [mailto:hawkeye_629@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:54 AM
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [guntotingliberals] glock



Thanks for all the input. I know there is lots of controversy re Glocks
especially around kb's. Naturally I bought a 40sw caliber which is at
the center of the debate. Thinking I might buy a new barrel with more
support just to make me feel a little better. Might have a trigger job
done but then if I put all that money into I probably should have gotten
a Hi Power to begin with. Ohh well such is the life of a gun enthusiast.
I have never broken down a Makarov but have always heard its a dream.
Any thoughts out there on the 40 sw kb debate? I did inspect the brass
from the first 100 I shot and there is a detectable bulge at the rim.
Hmmmm. The Glock manual says only new ammo and no reloads. Till I decide
to replace the barrel I might follow the book (even though it goes
against my nature)






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I've put thousands of my reloads through my .40 Glocks.  Don't push max
loads, throw away bulged brass and keep good reload quality control and
you'll be fine.

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From: hawkeye_629 [mailto:hawkeye_629@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:54 AM
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [guntotingliberals] glock



Thanks for all the input. I know there is lots of controversy re Glocks
especially around kb's. Naturally I bought a 40sw caliber which is at
the center of the debate. Thinking I might buy a new barrel with more
support just to make me feel a little better. Might have a trigger job
done but then if I put all that money into I probably should have gotten
a Hi Power to begin with. Ohh well such is the life of a gun enthusiast.
I have never broken down a Makarov but have always heard its a dream.
Any thoughts out there on the 40 sw kb debate? I did inspect the brass
from the first 100 I shot and there is a detectable bulge at the rim.
Hmmmm. The Glock manual says only new ammo and no reloads. Till I decide
to replace the barrel I might follow the book (even though it goes
against my nature)






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That's good to know, thanks,
perhaps I should think of a Glock for my next gun.
best,
Michelle
"Someone once asked Ghandi:
Isn't it an act of futility to try to make the world better.
Ghandi's reply was that, yes,
it is futile, but you have to do it anyway."

Michelle,
Glocks are very corrosion resistant. I once wore a Glock 26 to the
beach, then to a water park (where it got soaked), and then it sat in
a wet fanny pack for three days. When I finally got to a place where I
could clean it, I found no rust. None.

Which three models do you own? Any of them in 40 and if so have ever had an
incident?

McGinnes <mbmcginnes@...> wrote:
Hawkeye,
If you give it a chance, you are going to love your Glock. I currently
own three of them, plus Ruth has one. The only real complain people
have about Glocks is the trigger, and there are lots of things you can
do to make it better. If you have any questions about your new Glock,
just let me know.
So, are you going to be competeing with your Glock? Do you know about
GSSF (gssfonline.com)?

Michelle,
Glocks are very corrosion resistant. I once wore a Glock 26 to the
beach, then to a water park (where it got soaked), and then it sat in
a wet fanny pack for three days. When I finally got to a place where I
could clean it, I found no rust. None.








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Thanks for all the input. I know there is lots of controversy re
Glocks especially around kb's. Naturally I bought a 40sw caliber
which is at the center of the debate. Thinking I might buy a new
barrel with more support just to make me feel a little better. Might
have a trigger job done but then if I put all that money into I
probably should have gotten a Hi Power to begin with. Ohh well such
is the life of a gun enthusiast. I have never broken down a Makarov
but have always heard its a dream. Any thoughts out there on the 40
sw kb debate? I did inspect the brass from the first 100 I shot and
there is a detectable bulge at the rim. Hmmmm. The Glock manual says
only new ammo and no reloads. Till I decide to replace the barrel I
might follow the book (even though it goes against my nature)

I have a new in the box Makarov that I've broken down several times.
It's a wonderful thing isn't it?
:)
Michelle
"Someone once asked Ghandi:
Isn't it an act of futility to try to make the world better.
Ghandi's reply was that, yes,
it is futile, but you have to do it anyway."


</lurk> A Glock, eh?  Lemme know how it shoots after about 500
rounds.  I'm very conflicted about Glocks...heard good and bad.  The
bad, however, all seems to be complaints over the aesthetics of
Glocks...such as they are.  As far as ease of break-down...ever
broken down a Makarov? ;-)  Best of luck on your new aquisition and
do let us know how it goes in the long run...I may just be in the
market one day.