--- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, "Xela" <julcaesar@...> wrote:
>
> Ooops.  Almost fell for this one.
> Spam alert.
> Silly me thought there was a guntotingliberal California girl wanting to share
pictures of her guns.
> On another note,
> Just bought a Finn M35 bayonet
> Arguably one of the most desirable collectors items in the surplus Finn
market.
>
> Finn bayonets info, including the M35:
> http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/Finn-bayonets.asp
>
> Fits my Finn M28/30 rifle, althought it is not a correct match:
> http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/MosinNagant-M2830rifle-introduction.asp
>
> Xela
>
> Xela
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "newarmfriends" [newarmfriends@...]
> Date: 09/06/2009 05:41 AM
> To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [guntotingliberals] [Private Photo Share] Cali Girl- Has sent you
private photos.
>
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Yep, those are tricky posts.

Ooops.  Almost fell for this one.
Spam alert.
Silly me thought there was a guntotingliberal California girl wanting to share
pictures of her guns.
On another note,
Just bought a Finn M35 bayonet
Arguably one of the most desirable collectors items in the surplus Finn market.

Finn bayonets info, including the M35:
http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/Finn-bayonets.asp

Fits my Finn M28/30 rifle, althought it is not a correct match:
http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/MosinNagant-M2830rifle-introduction.asp

Xela

Xela

-----Original Message-----
From: "newarmfriends" [newarmfriends@...]
Date: 09/06/2009 05:41 AM
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [guntotingliberals] [Private Photo Share] Cali Girl- Has sent you
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this time the link worked,
thanks


Michelle Ress Felton, CA
 
 law of abundance

--- On Tue, 7/14/09, Xela <julcaesar@...> wrote:


From: Xela <julcaesar@...>
Subject: [guntotingliberals] Re: Amendment II Democrats in Facebook (Group and
Page)
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:28 PM


Hi Michelle,

Sorry to hear that.

I was able to click and be directed to Facebook in yahoo/groups and via my email
account.

Another option is to visit Facebook and do a search for "Amendment II
Democrats", the group and the page should come up that way.

Kind regards,

Xela

--- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, Michelle M Ress <Safoocat@...> wrote:
>
> could't get those links to work
>
>
> Michelle Ress Felton, CA
>  
>  law of abundance
>
> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Xela <julcaesar@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Xela <julcaesar@...>
> Subject: [guntotingliberals] Amendment II Democrats in Facebook (Group and
Page)
> To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 1:17 PM
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Thought this might me of interest to some FB aficionados:
>
> Group in Facebook (one can become a member):
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107666846846
>
> Page in Facebook (one can become a fan):
>
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107666846846#/pages/Amendment-II-Democrats\
/100759752085?ref=s
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Xela
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Yahoo! Groups Links








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Michelle,

Sorry to hear that.

I was able to click and be directed to Facebook in yahoo/groups and via my email
account.

Another option is to visit Facebook and do a search for "Amendment II
Democrats", the group and the page should come up that way.

Kind regards,

Xela

--- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, Michelle M Ress <Safoocat@...> wrote:
>
> could't get those links to work
>
>
> Michelle Ress Felton, CA
>  
>  law of abundance
>
> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Xela <julcaesar@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Xela <julcaesar@...>
> Subject: [guntotingliberals] Amendment II Democrats in Facebook (Group and
Page)
> To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 1:17 PM
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Thought this might me of interest to some FB aficionados:
>
> Group in Facebook (one can become a member):
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107666846846
>
> Page in Facebook (one can become a fan):
>
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107666846846#/pages/Amendment-II-Democrats\
/100759752085?ref=s
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Xela
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

could't get those links to work


Michelle Ress Felton, CA
 
 law of abundance

--- On Tue, 7/14/09, Xela <julcaesar@...> wrote:


From: Xela <julcaesar@...>
Subject: [guntotingliberals] Amendment II Democrats in Facebook (Group and Page)
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 1:17 PM


Greetings,

Thought this might me of interest to some FB aficionados:

Group in Facebook (one can become a member):
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107666846846

Page in Facebook (one can become a fan):
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107666846846#/pages/Amendment-II-Democrats\
/100759752085?ref=s

Kind regards,

Xela



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Greetings,

Thought this might me of interest to some FB aficionados:

Group in Facebook (one can become a member):
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107666846846

Page in Facebook (one can become a fan):
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107666846846#/pages/Amendment-II-Democrats\
/100759752085?ref=s

Kind regards,

Xela

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Hi David,

I thought I recognized your name from the Dallas Young Democrats group.
http://www.dallasyoungdemocrats.org/

It's great to see you here.

Kind regards,

Xela

--- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, David Hardt <democratdave@...> wrote:
>
> I am a proud liberal Demcorat myself but a staunch supporter of the second
amendment.
> There are more of us out there then most people think. With Democrats in power
all over the country, it's time for us to "come out of the closet" Yes,
Democrats love guns too.
>
> David Hardt
> President
> Young Democrats of America
>
> --- On Fri, 6/19/09, Brandon.Chase@... <Brandon.Chase@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Brandon.Chase@... <Brandon.Chase@...>
> Subject: Re: [guntotingliberals] Article - A Liberal Democrat Who Loves Guns
(D Magazine)
> To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 5:02 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nice article. Thanks for sending it over.
>
> B
>
> On 06/19/09 15:40, Xela wrote:
> >
> >
> > A nice note about liberal gun owners on regional media :)
> >
> > http://www.dmagazin e.com/Home/ 2009/07/01/ A_Liberal_ Democrat_ Who_Loves_
Guns.aspx
> > <http://www.dmagazin e.com/Home/ 2009/07/01/ A_Liberal_ Democrat_ Who_Loves_
Guns.aspx>
> >
> > Xela
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I am a proud liberal Demcorat myself but a staunch supporter of the second
amendment.
There are more of us out there then most people think. With Democrats in power
all over the country, it's time for us to "come out of the closet" Yes,
Democrats love guns too.
 
David Hardt
President
Young Democrats of America

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Brandon.Chase@... <Brandon.Chase@...> wrote:


From: Brandon.Chase@... <Brandon.Chase@...>
Subject: Re: [guntotingliberals] Article - A Liberal Democrat Who Loves Guns (D
Magazine)
To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 5:02 PM








Nice article. Thanks for sending it over.

B

On 06/19/09 15:40, Xela wrote:
>
>
> A nice note about liberal gun owners on regional media :)
>
> http://www.dmagazin e.com/Home/ 2009/07/01/ A_Liberal_ Democrat_ Who_Loves_
Guns.aspx
> <http://www.dmagazin e.com/Home/ 2009/07/01/ A_Liberal_ Democrat_ Who_Loves_
Guns.aspx>
>
> Xela
>
>

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Nice article.  Thanks for sending it over.

B


On 06/19/09 15:40, Xela wrote:
>
>
> A nice note about liberal gun owners on regional media :)
>
>
http://www.dmagazine.com/Home/2009/07/01/A_Liberal_Democrat_Who_Loves_Guns.aspx
>
<http://www.dmagazine.com/Home/2009/07/01/A_Liberal_Democrat_Who_Loves_Guns.aspx\
>
>
> Xela
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A nice note about liberal gun owners on regional media :)

http://www.dmagazine.com/Home/2009/07/01/A_Liberal_Democrat_Who_Loves_Guns.aspx

Xela

Thanks. R.M.

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Roy <r@...> wrote:

>
>
> Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with the exact details, but pretty much every
> revolver but an exact replica of something old will have some sort of
> try-not-to-fire-if-dropped mechanism.
>
> Some (S&Ws?) use a 'rebounding hammer' setup where the hammer backs off
> from the firing pin once you let go of the trigger..
>
>
> Eric Sowers wrote:
> > I believe that all modern revolvers, even the new Colt Peacemakers,
> > come with a transfer bar or some similar system.
> >
> > I've not shot the GP100 but have shot the 686 a lot and it's my
> > favorite handgun, replacing the Colt 1911A1 in that regard.
> >
> >
> > On May 25, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Roger Metzger wrote:
> >
> >
> >> According to Ruger, their "transfer bar" system is designed to prevent
> >> accidental firing from (1) a blow to the back of the hammer spur (if
> >> the gun
> >> is dropped, for example), (2) accidently dropping the hammer on a
> >> chambered
> >> round (if you are preparing to shoot single-action and your thumb
> >> slips off
> >> the hammer spur, for example or if the hammer spur is accidently
> >> snagged on
> >> something). Can someone please tell me whether the Smith & Wesson 686
> >> and/or other S &W revolvers have a similar safety system? If so,
> >> does it
> >> work essentially the same way as the Ruger system? Have you shot the
> >> GP100
> >> and the 686 so you can give me your impression of the advantages of
> >> each?
> >>
> >> I have owned two CO2 handguns, a PPK replica and a Colt double-
> >> action .357
> >> replica. Both had screw-type tighteners for installing the CO2
> >> cartridges,
> >> but both of the tighteners tended to push the cartridge to one side
> >> enough
> >> to make it difficlut, and eventually impossible, to keep the grip side
> >> panels on the guns. Several years ago, when we were still living in
> >> Utah, I
> >> saw a CO2 handgun with a system that looked like it would prevent this
> >> problem. As I recall, the gun was designed so the pearcing of the CO2
> >> Cartridge occured BEFORE the cartridge was inserrted into the gun.
> >> Does
> >> anyone know which brand or brands of CO2 guns are designed to
> >> prevent the
> >> problem I had with mine? Stores in this part of Michigan don't seem to
> >> stockl CO2 handguns anymore and I haven't been able to find the
> >> information
> >> on the online gunstore sites.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Roger Metzger
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Xela
<julcaesar@...<julcaesar%40excite.com>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Should go without saying :)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to all for their input.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Xela
> >>>
> >>> --- In
guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com><guntoting\
liberals
>
> >>>
> >> %40yahoogroups.com>,
> >>
> >>> Roger Metzger <r.metzger44@...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks for the tip. I think I'll try that today. R.M.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM, <Brandon.Chase@...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I actually had a problem with all my shots grouping from 7-8
> >>>>>
> >> o'clock
> >>
> >>>>> when I first got my glock 19. I cured it with lots of dry fire
> >>>>> practice, but in particular I focused on the "tennis ball
> >>>>>
> >> squeeze" and
> >>
> >>>>> starting my trigger pull from the back of my shooting hand. It
> >>>>>
> >> feels
> >>
> >>>>> strange at first, but I think it helps you squeeze the trigger
> >>>>>
> >> straight
> >>
> >>>>> back instead of jerking it, as I haven't had any problems with
> >>>>>
> >> jerking
> >>
> >>>>> shots since.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 04/22/09 12:03, Xela wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> RE: Dryfire
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could you expand on your exercises? How long do you do it per
> >>>>>>
> >>> session?
> >>>
> >>>>>> How many times a week/month/day? Breathing? Revolver/Auto?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If auto, DA or SA?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've been trying to beat a bad case of the "jerking
> >>>>>>
> >> trigger". Been
> >>
> >>>>>> shooting at 7-8 o'clock at 7 yards.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm kinda anal and use snapcaps.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, always check to make sure it's unloaded :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Xela
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- In
guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com><guntoting\
liberals
>
> >>>>>>
> >> %40yahoogroups.com>
> >>
> >>> <guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
<mailto:guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%2540yahoogroups.co\
m><guntotingliberals
>
> >>>>>>
> >> %2540yahoogroups.com>
> >>
> >>> <guntotingliberals%2540yahoogroups.com>>,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> "chemsoldier2001"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> <el_jefe99@> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe it is because my gun collection has been at the size
> >>>>>>>
> >> it needs
> >>
> >>>>>> to be (though I would always like more), maybe it is because
> >>>>>>
> >> I am in
> >>
> >>>>>> the military, but I have been on a training kick for the
> >>>>>>
> >> last few
> >>
> >>>>>> years. When I first got into guns it was all about the metal
> >>>>>>
> >> (and
> >>
> >>> wood
> >>>
> >>>>>> and polymer) I read lots of reviews and shot lots of
> >>>>>>
> >> different guns
> >>
> >>>>>> and was looking for those 1-4% increases in performance.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Now I am more into the software side. I train, I compete
> >>>>>>>
> >> (when work
> >>
> >>>>>> allows) and try to attend formalized trianing when
> >>>>>>
> >> circumstances (and
> >>
> >>>>>> money) allow.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Two easy things I would like the advocate to everyone is:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. Dry fire- Once you know the basics and you have been
> >>>>>>>
> >> shown how
> >>
> >>> to
> >>>
> >>>>>> do it right, you can improve dramatically with dry fire
> >>>>>>
> >> practice in
> >>
> >>>>>> your own home. With the exception of rimfires all modern
> >>>>>>
> >> quality
> >>
> >>>>>> handguns can be dry fired thousands and thousands of time
> >>>>>>
> >> with no
> >>
> >>>>>> issues. However if you are anal you can get snap caps. You
> >>>>>>
> >> would be
> >>
> >>>>>> amazed how much you can improve without spending a dime or
> >>>>>>
> >> driving
> >>
> >>>>>> anywhere. Make sure the bloody gun is unloaded!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. Airsoft- They are not cheap toys anymore. High end
> >>>>>>>
> >> airsoft guns
> >>
> >>>>>> are the same size, controls, some have the same triggers as
> >>>>>>
> >> real
> >>
> >>> guns.
> >>>
> >>>>>> The compact glock airsoft I own is the same size, weight and
> >>>>>>
> >> controls
> >>
> >>>>>> of my carry gun. It fits in the same holsters. I use it in
> >>>>>>
> >> my garage
> >>
> >>>>>> when I want to accuracy check without a range trip. The
> >>>>>>
> >> pellets and
> >>
> >>>>>> gas cost peanuts. A great way to practice perishable skills
> >>>>>>
> >> before
> >>
> >>> you
> >>>
> >>>>>> expend costly ammo at the range. I use it to work on my one
> >>>>>>
> >> handed
> >>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>>>>> weak handed shooting before I go to the range. Saves me much
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> embarassment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyone else with ideas or techniques to keep to the skills
> >>>>>>>
> >> sharp?
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with the exact details, but pretty much every
revolver but an exact replica of something old will have some sort of
try-not-to-fire-if-dropped mechanism.

Some (S&Ws?) use a 'rebounding hammer' setup where the hammer backs off
from the firing pin once you let go of the trigger..

Eric Sowers wrote:
> I believe that all modern revolvers, even the new Colt Peacemakers,
> come with a transfer bar or some similar system.
>
> I've not shot the GP100 but have shot the 686 a lot and it's my
> favorite handgun, replacing the Colt 1911A1 in that regard.
>
>
> On May 25, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Roger Metzger wrote:
>
>
>> According to Ruger, their "transfer bar" system is designed to prevent
>> accidental firing from (1) a blow to the back of the hammer spur (if
>> the gun
>> is dropped, for example), (2) accidently dropping the hammer on a
>> chambered
>> round (if you are preparing to shoot single-action and your thumb
>> slips off
>> the hammer spur, for example or if the hammer spur is accidently
>> snagged on
>> something). Can someone please tell me whether the Smith & Wesson 686
>> and/or other S &W revolvers have a similar safety system? If so,
>> does it
>> work essentially the same way as the Ruger system? Have you shot the
>> GP100
>> and the 686 so you can give me your impression of the advantages of
>> each?
>>
>> I have owned two CO2 handguns, a PPK replica and a Colt double-
>> action .357
>> replica. Both had screw-type tighteners for installing the CO2
>> cartridges,
>> but both of the tighteners tended to push the cartridge to one side
>> enough
>> to make it difficlut, and eventually impossible, to keep the grip side
>> panels on the guns. Several years ago, when we were still living in
>> Utah, I
>> saw a CO2 handgun with a system that looked like it would prevent this
>> problem. As I recall, the gun was designed so the pearcing of the CO2
>> Cartridge occured BEFORE the cartridge was inserrted into the gun.
>> Does
>> anyone know which brand or brands of CO2 guns are designed to
>> prevent the
>> problem I had with mine? Stores in this part of Michigan don't seem to
>> stockl CO2 handguns anymore and I haven't been able to find the
>> information
>> on the online gunstore sites.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Roger Metzger
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Xela <julcaesar@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Should go without saying :)
>>>
>>> Thanks to all for their input.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Xela
>>>
>>> --- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals
>>>
>> %40yahoogroups.com>,
>>
>>> Roger Metzger <r.metzger44@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the tip. I think I'll try that today. R.M.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM, <Brandon.Chase@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I actually had a problem with all my shots grouping from 7-8
>>>>>
>> o'clock
>>
>>>>> when I first got my glock 19. I cured it with lots of dry fire
>>>>> practice, but in particular I focused on the "tennis ball
>>>>>
>> squeeze" and
>>
>>>>> starting my trigger pull from the back of my shooting hand. It
>>>>>
>> feels
>>
>>>>> strange at first, but I think it helps you squeeze the trigger
>>>>>
>> straight
>>
>>>>> back instead of jerking it, as I haven't had any problems with
>>>>>
>> jerking
>>
>>>>> shots since.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/22/09 12:03, Xela wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RE: Dryfire
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you expand on your exercises? How long do you do it per
>>>>>>
>>> session?
>>>
>>>>>> How many times a week/month/day? Breathing? Revolver/Auto?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If auto, DA or SA?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been trying to beat a bad case of the "jerking
>>>>>>
>> trigger". Been
>>
>>>>>> shooting at 7-8 o'clock at 7 yards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm kinda anal and use snapcaps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, always check to make sure it's unloaded :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Xela
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals
>>>>>>
>> %40yahoogroups.com>
>>
>>> <guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals
>>>>>>
>> %2540yahoogroups.com>
>>
>>> <guntotingliberals%2540yahoogroups.com>>,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> "chemsoldier2001"
>>>>>
>>>>>> <el_jefe99@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe it is because my gun collection has been at the size
>>>>>>>
>> it needs
>>
>>>>>> to be (though I would always like more), maybe it is because
>>>>>>
>> I am in
>>
>>>>>> the military, but I have been on a training kick for the
>>>>>>
>> last few
>>
>>>>>> years. When I first got into guns it was all about the metal
>>>>>>
>> (and
>>
>>> wood
>>>
>>>>>> and polymer) I read lots of reviews and shot lots of
>>>>>>
>> different guns
>>
>>>>>> and was looking for those 1-4% increases in performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I am more into the software side. I train, I compete
>>>>>>>
>> (when work
>>
>>>>>> allows) and try to attend formalized trianing when
>>>>>>
>> circumstances (and
>>
>>>>>> money) allow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two easy things I would like the advocate to everyone is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Dry fire- Once you know the basics and you have been
>>>>>>>
>> shown how
>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> do it right, you can improve dramatically with dry fire
>>>>>>
>> practice in
>>
>>>>>> your own home. With the exception of rimfires all modern
>>>>>>
>> quality
>>
>>>>>> handguns can be dry fired thousands and thousands of time
>>>>>>
>> with no
>>
>>>>>> issues. However if you are anal you can get snap caps. You
>>>>>>
>> would be
>>
>>>>>> amazed how much you can improve without spending a dime or
>>>>>>
>> driving
>>
>>>>>> anywhere. Make sure the bloody gun is unloaded!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Airsoft- They are not cheap toys anymore. High end
>>>>>>>
>> airsoft guns
>>
>>>>>> are the same size, controls, some have the same triggers as
>>>>>>
>> real
>>
>>> guns.
>>>
>>>>>> The compact glock airsoft I own is the same size, weight and
>>>>>>
>> controls
>>
>>>>>> of my carry gun. It fits in the same holsters. I use it in
>>>>>>
>> my garage
>>
>>>>>> when I want to accuracy check without a range trip. The
>>>>>>
>> pellets and
>>
>>>>>> gas cost peanuts. A great way to practice perishable skills
>>>>>>
>> before
>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>>>> expend costly ammo at the range. I use it to work on my one
>>>>>>
>> handed
>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>> weak handed shooting before I go to the range. Saves me much
>>>>>>
>>>>> embarassment.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone else with ideas or techniques to keep to the skills
>>>>>>>
>> sharp?
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
>

Thanks.
R.M.

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Eric Sowers <rochefort46@...> wrote:

>
>
> I believe that all modern revolvers, even the new Colt Peacemakers,
> come with a transfer bar or some similar system.
>
> I've not shot the GP100 but have shot the 686 a lot and it's my
> favorite handgun, replacing the Colt 1911A1 in that regard.
>
>
> On May 25, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Roger Metzger wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > According to Ruger, their "transfer bar" system is designed to prevent
> > accidental firing from (1) a blow to the back of the hammer spur (if
> > the gun
> > is dropped, for example), (2) accidently dropping the hammer on a
> > chambered
> > round (if you are preparing to shoot single-action and your thumb
> > slips off
> > the hammer spur, for example or if the hammer spur is accidently
> > snagged on
> > something). Can someone please tell me whether the Smith & Wesson 686
> > and/or other S &W revolvers have a similar safety system? If so,
> > does it
> > work essentially the same way as the Ruger system? Have you shot the
> > GP100
> > and the 686 so you can give me your impression of the advantages of
> > each?
> >
> > I have owned two CO2 handguns, a PPK replica and a Colt double-
> > action .357
> > replica. Both had screw-type tighteners for installing the CO2
> > cartridges,
> > but both of the tighteners tended to push the cartridge to one side
> > enough
> > to make it difficlut, and eventually impossible, to keep the grip side
> > panels on the guns. Several years ago, when we were still living in
> > Utah, I
> > saw a CO2 handgun with a system that looked like it would prevent this
> > problem. As I recall, the gun was designed so the pearcing of the CO2
> > Cartridge occured BEFORE the cartridge was inserrted into the gun.
> > Does
> > anyone know which brand or brands of CO2 guns are designed to
> > prevent the
> > problem I had with mine? Stores in this part of Michigan don't seem to
> > stockl CO2 handguns anymore and I haven't been able to find the
> > information
> > on the online gunstore sites.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Roger Metzger
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Xela
<julcaesar@...<julcaesar%40excite.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Should go without saying :)
> > >
> > > Thanks to all for their input.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Xela
> > >
> > > --- In
guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com><guntoting\
liberals
>
> > %40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > > Roger Metzger <r.metzger44@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the tip. I think I'll try that today. R.M.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM, <Brandon.Chase@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I actually had a problem with all my shots grouping from 7-8
> > o'clock
> > > > > when I first got my glock 19. I cured it with lots of dry fire
> > > > > practice, but in particular I focused on the "tennis ball
> > squeeze" and
> > > > > starting my trigger pull from the back of my shooting hand. It
> > feels
> > > > > strange at first, but I think it helps you squeeze the trigger
> > straight
> > > > > back instead of jerking it, as I haven't had any problems with
> > jerking
> > > > > shots since.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 04/22/09 12:03, Xela wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RE: Dryfire
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could you expand on your exercises? How long do you do it per
> > > session?
> > > > > > How many times a week/month/day? Breathing? Revolver/Auto?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If auto, DA or SA?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been trying to beat a bad case of the "jerking
> > trigger". Been
> > > > > > shooting at 7-8 o'clock at 7 yards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm kinda anal and use snapcaps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, always check to make sure it's unloaded :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Xela
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com><guntoting\
liberals
>
> > %40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >
<mailto:guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%2540yahoogroups.co\
m><guntotingliberals
>
> > %2540yahoogroups.com>
> > > <guntotingliberals%2540yahoogroups.com>>,
> > >
> > > > > "chemsoldier2001"
> > > > > > <el_jefe99@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe it is because my gun collection has been at the size
> > it needs
> > > > > > to be (though I would always like more), maybe it is because
> > I am in
> > > > > > the military, but I have been on a training kick for the
> > last few
> > > > > > years. When I first got into guns it was all about the metal
> > (and
> > > wood
> > > > > > and polymer) I read lots of reviews and shot lots of
> > different guns
> > > > > > and was looking for those 1-4% increases in performance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now I am more into the software side. I train, I compete
> > (when work
> > > > > > allows) and try to attend formalized trianing when
> > circumstances (and
> > > > > > money) allow.
> > > > > > > Two easy things I would like the advocate to everyone is:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Dry fire- Once you know the basics and you have been
> > shown how
> > > to
> > > > > > do it right, you can improve dramatically with dry fire
> > practice in
> > > > > > your own home. With the exception of rimfires all modern
> > quality
> > > > > > handguns can be dry fired thousands and thousands of time
> > with no
> > > > > > issues. However if you are anal you can get snap caps. You
> > would be
> > > > > > amazed how much you can improve without spending a dime or
> > driving
> > > > > > anywhere. Make sure the bloody gun is unloaded!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. Airsoft- They are not cheap toys anymore. High end
> > airsoft guns
> > > > > > are the same size, controls, some have the same triggers as
> > real
> > > guns.
> > > > > > The compact glock airsoft I own is the same size, weight and
> > controls
> > > > > > of my carry gun. It fits in the same holsters. I use it in
> > my garage
> > > > > > when I want to accuracy check without a range trip. The
> > pellets and
> > > > > > gas cost peanuts. A great way to practice perishable skills
> > before
> > > you
> > > > > > expend costly ammo at the range. I use it to work on my one
> > handed
> > > and
> > > > > > weak handed shooting before I go to the range. Saves me much
> > > > > embarassment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone else with ideas or techniques to keep to the skills
> > sharp?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I believe that all modern revolvers, even the new Colt Peacemakers,
come with a transfer bar or some similar system.

I've not shot the GP100 but have shot the 686 a lot and it's my
favorite handgun, replacing the Colt 1911A1 in that regard.


On May 25, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Roger Metzger wrote:

>
>
> According to Ruger, their "transfer bar" system is designed to prevent
> accidental firing from (1) a blow to the back of the hammer spur (if
> the gun
> is dropped, for example), (2) accidently dropping the hammer on a
> chambered
> round (if you are preparing to shoot single-action and your thumb
> slips off
> the hammer spur, for example or if the hammer spur is accidently
> snagged on
> something). Can someone please tell me whether the Smith & Wesson 686
> and/or other S &W revolvers have a similar safety system? If so,
> does it
> work essentially the same way as the Ruger system? Have you shot the
> GP100
> and the 686 so you can give me your impression of the advantages of
> each?
>
> I have owned two CO2 handguns, a PPK replica and a Colt double-
> action .357
> replica. Both had screw-type tighteners for installing the CO2
> cartridges,
> but both of the tighteners tended to push the cartridge to one side
> enough
> to make it difficlut, and eventually impossible, to keep the grip side
> panels on the guns. Several years ago, when we were still living in
> Utah, I
> saw a CO2 handgun with a system that looked like it would prevent this
> problem. As I recall, the gun was designed so the pearcing of the CO2
> Cartridge occured BEFORE the cartridge was inserrted into the gun.
> Does
> anyone know which brand or brands of CO2 guns are designed to
> prevent the
> problem I had with mine? Stores in this part of Michigan don't seem to
> stockl CO2 handguns anymore and I haven't been able to find the
> information
> on the online gunstore sites.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Roger Metzger
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Xela <julcaesar@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Should go without saying :)
> >
> > Thanks to all for their input.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Xela
> >
> > --- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals
> %40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Roger Metzger <r.metzger44@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tip. I think I'll try that today. R.M.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM, <Brandon.Chase@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I actually had a problem with all my shots grouping from 7-8
> o'clock
> > > > when I first got my glock 19. I cured it with lots of dry fire
> > > > practice, but in particular I focused on the "tennis ball
> squeeze" and
> > > > starting my trigger pull from the back of my shooting hand. It
> feels
> > > > strange at first, but I think it helps you squeeze the trigger
> straight
> > > > back instead of jerking it, as I haven't had any problems with
> jerking
> > > > shots since.
> > > >
> > > > On 04/22/09 12:03, Xela wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RE: Dryfire
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you expand on your exercises? How long do you do it per
> > session?
> > > > > How many times a week/month/day? Breathing? Revolver/Auto?
> > > > >
> > > > > If auto, DA or SA?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been trying to beat a bad case of the "jerking
> trigger". Been
> > > > > shooting at 7-8 o'clock at 7 yards.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm kinda anal and use snapcaps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, always check to make sure it's unloaded :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Xela
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals
> %40yahoogroups.com>
> > <guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals
> %2540yahoogroups.com>
> > <guntotingliberals%2540yahoogroups.com>>,
> >
> > > > "chemsoldier2001"
> > > > > <el_jefe99@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe it is because my gun collection has been at the size
> it needs
> > > > > to be (though I would always like more), maybe it is because
> I am in
> > > > > the military, but I have been on a training kick for the
> last few
> > > > > years. When I first got into guns it was all about the metal
> (and
> > wood
> > > > > and polymer) I read lots of reviews and shot lots of
> different guns
> > > > > and was looking for those 1-4% increases in performance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I am more into the software side. I train, I compete
> (when work
> > > > > allows) and try to attend formalized trianing when
> circumstances (and
> > > > > money) allow.
> > > > > > Two easy things I would like the advocate to everyone is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Dry fire- Once you know the basics and you have been
> shown how
> > to
> > > > > do it right, you can improve dramatically with dry fire
> practice in
> > > > > your own home. With the exception of rimfires all modern
> quality
> > > > > handguns can be dry fired thousands and thousands of time
> with no
> > > > > issues. However if you are anal you can get snap caps. You
> would be
> > > > > amazed how much you can improve without spending a dime or
> driving
> > > > > anywhere. Make sure the bloody gun is unloaded!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Airsoft- They are not cheap toys anymore. High end
> airsoft guns
> > > > > are the same size, controls, some have the same triggers as
> real
> > guns.
> > > > > The compact glock airsoft I own is the same size, weight and
> controls
> > > > > of my carry gun. It fits in the same holsters. I use it in
> my garage
> > > > > when I want to accuracy check without a range trip. The
> pellets and
> > > > > gas cost peanuts. A great way to practice perishable skills
> before
> > you
> > > > > expend costly ammo at the range. I use it to work on my one
> handed
> > and
> > > > > weak handed shooting before I go to the range. Saves me much
> > > > embarassment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone else with ideas or techniques to keep to the skills
> sharp?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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I recently bought a Laserlyte LT-1 which will project a steady red laser dot for
sighting in any firearm from .17 to .50 caliber.  Also, it can be set to pick up
the sound of a hammer falling and will momentarily blink - as in dry firing. 
With it steady on, and in a fairly dark room, trigger jerk is quite obvious and
can be steadily reduced without wasting ammo.

Dick H.

--- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, Roger Metzger <r.metzger44@...> wrote:
>
> According to Ruger, their "transfer bar" system is designed to prevent
> accidental firing from (1) a blow to the back of the hammer spur (if the gun
> is dropped, for example), (2) accidently dropping the hammer on a chambered
> round (if you are preparing to shoot single-action and your thumb slips off
> the hammer spur, for example or if the hammer spur is accidently snagged on
> something).  Can someone please tell me whether the Smith & Wesson 686
> and/or other S &W revolvers have a similar safety system?  If so, does it
> work essentially the same way as the Ruger system?  Have you shot the GP100
> and the 686 so you can give me your impression of the advantages of each?
>
> I have owned two CO2 handguns, a PPK replica and a Colt double-action .357
> replica.  Both had screw-type tighteners for installing the CO2 cartridges,
> but both of the tighteners tended to push the cartridge to one side enough
> to make it difficlut, and eventually impossible, to keep the grip side
> panels on the guns.  Several years ago, when we were still living in Utah, I
> saw a CO2 handgun with a system that looked like it would prevent this
> problem.  As I recall, the gun was designed so the pearcing of the CO2
> Cartridge occured BEFORE the cartridge was inserrted into the gun.  Does
> anyone know which brand or brands of CO2 guns are designed to prevent the
> problem I had with mine?  Stores in this part of Michigan don't seem to
> stockl CO2 handguns anymore and I haven't been able to find the information
> on the online gunstore sites.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Roger Metzger
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Xela <julcaesar@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Should go without saying :)
> >
> > Thanks to all for their input.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Xela
> >
> > --- In
guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Roger Metzger <r.metzger44@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tip. I think I'll try that today. R.M.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM, <Brandon.Chase@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I actually had a problem with all my shots grouping from 7-8 o'clock
> > > > when I first got my glock 19. I cured it with lots of dry fire
> > > > practice, but in particular I focused on the "tennis ball squeeze" and
> > > > starting my trigger pull from the back of my shooting hand. It feels
> > > > strange at first, but I think it helps you squeeze the trigger straight
> > > > back instead of jerking it, as I haven't had any problems with jerking
> > > > shots since.
> > > >
> > > > On 04/22/09 12:03, Xela wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RE: Dryfire
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you expand on your exercises? How long do you do it per
> > session?
> > > > > How many times a week/month/day? Breathing? Revolver/Auto?
> > > > >
> > > > > If auto, DA or SA?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been trying to beat a bad case of the "jerking trigger". Been
> > > > > shooting at 7-8 o'clock at 7 yards.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm kinda anal and use snapcaps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, always check to make sure it's unloaded :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Xela
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
<mailto:guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%2540yahoogroups.co\
m>
> > <guntotingliberals%2540yahoogroups.com>>,
> >
> > > > "chemsoldier2001"
> > > > > <el_jefe99@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe it is because my gun collection has been at the size it needs
> > > > > to be (though I would always like more), maybe it is because I am in
> > > > > the military, but I have been on a training kick for the last few
> > > > > years. When I first got into guns it was all about the metal (and
> > wood
> > > > > and polymer) I read lots of reviews and shot lots of different guns
> > > > > and was looking for those 1-4% increases in performance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I am more into the software side. I train, I compete (when work
> > > > > allows) and try to attend formalized trianing when circumstances (and
> > > > > money) allow.
> > > > > > Two easy things I would like the advocate to everyone is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Dry fire- Once you know the basics and you have been shown how
> > to
> > > > > do it right, you can improve dramatically with dry fire practice in
> > > > > your own home. With the exception of rimfires all modern quality
> > > > > handguns can be dry fired thousands and thousands of time with no
> > > > > issues. However if you are anal you can get snap caps. You would be
> > > > > amazed how much you can improve without spending a dime or driving
> > > > > anywhere. Make sure the bloody gun is unloaded!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Airsoft- They are not cheap toys anymore. High end airsoft guns
> > > > > are the same size, controls, some have the same triggers as real
> > guns.
> > > > > The compact glock airsoft I own is the same size, weight and controls
> > > > > of my carry gun. It fits in the same holsters. I use it in my garage
> > > > > when I want to accuracy check without a range trip. The pellets and
> > > > > gas cost peanuts. A great way to practice perishable skills before
> > you
> > > > > expend costly ammo at the range. I use it to work on my one handed
> > and
> > > > > weak handed shooting before I go to the range. Saves me much
> > > > embarassment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone else with ideas or techniques to keep to the skills sharp?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

According to Ruger, their "transfer bar" system is designed to prevent
accidental firing from (1) a blow to the back of the hammer spur (if the gun
is dropped, for example), (2) accidently dropping the hammer on a chambered
round (if you are preparing to shoot single-action and your thumb slips off
the hammer spur, for example or if the hammer spur is accidently snagged on
something).  Can someone please tell me whether the Smith & Wesson 686
and/or other S &W revolvers have a similar safety system?  If so, does it
work essentially the same way as the Ruger system?  Have you shot the GP100
and the 686 so you can give me your impression of the advantages of each?

I have owned two CO2 handguns, a PPK replica and a Colt double-action .357
replica.  Both had screw-type tighteners for installing the CO2 cartridges,
but both of the tighteners tended to push the cartridge to one side enough
to make it difficlut, and eventually impossible, to keep the grip side
panels on the guns.  Several years ago, when we were still living in Utah, I
saw a CO2 handgun with a system that looked like it would prevent this
problem.  As I recall, the gun was designed so the pearcing of the CO2
Cartridge occured BEFORE the cartridge was inserrted into the gun.  Does
anyone know which brand or brands of CO2 guns are designed to prevent the
problem I had with mine?  Stores in this part of Michigan don't seem to
stockl CO2 handguns anymore and I haven't been able to find the information
on the online gunstore sites.

Thanks.

Roger Metzger


On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Xela <julcaesar@...> wrote:

>
>
> Should go without saying :)
>
> Thanks to all for their input.
>
> Regards,
>
> Xela
>
> --- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Roger Metzger <r.metzger44@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the tip. I think I'll try that today. R.M.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM, <Brandon.Chase@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I actually had a problem with all my shots grouping from 7-8 o'clock
> > > when I first got my glock 19. I cured it with lots of dry fire
> > > practice, but in particular I focused on the "tennis ball squeeze" and
> > > starting my trigger pull from the back of my shooting hand. It feels
> > > strange at first, but I think it helps you squeeze the trigger straight
> > > back instead of jerking it, as I haven't had any problems with jerking
> > > shots since.
> > >
> > > On 04/22/09 12:03, Xela wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > RE: Dryfire
> > > >
> > > > Could you expand on your exercises? How long do you do it per
> session?
> > > > How many times a week/month/day? Breathing? Revolver/Auto?
> > > >
> > > > If auto, DA or SA?
> > > >
> > > > I've been trying to beat a bad case of the "jerking trigger". Been
> > > > shooting at 7-8 o'clock at 7 yards.
> > > >
> > > > I'm kinda anal and use snapcaps.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, always check to make sure it's unloaded :)
> > > >
> > > > Xela
> > > >
> > > > --- In
guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com>
> <guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
<mailto:guntotingliberals%40yahoogroups.com<guntotingliberals%2540yahoogroups.co\
m>
> <guntotingliberals%2540yahoogroups.com>>,
>
> > > "chemsoldier2001"
> > > > <el_jefe99@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe it is because my gun collection has been at the size it needs
> > > > to be (though I would always like more), maybe it is because I am in
> > > > the military, but I have been on a training kick for the last few
> > > > years. When I first got into guns it was all about the metal (and
> wood
> > > > and polymer) I read lots of reviews and shot lots of different guns
> > > > and was looking for those 1-4% increases in performance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I am more into the software side. I train, I compete (when work
> > > > allows) and try to attend formalized trianing when circumstances (and
> > > > money) allow.
> > > > > Two easy things I would like the advocate to everyone is:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Dry fire- Once you know the basics and you have been shown how
> to
> > > > do it right, you can improve dramatically with dry fire practice in
> > > > your own home. With the exception of rimfires all modern quality
> > > > handguns can be dry fired thousands and thousands of time with no
> > > > issues. However if you are anal you can get snap caps. You would be
> > > > amazed how much you can improve without spending a dime or driving
> > > > anywhere. Make sure the bloody gun is unloaded!
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Airsoft- They are not cheap toys anymore. High end airsoft guns
> > > > are the same size, controls, some have the same triggers as real
> guns.
> > > > The compact glock airsoft I own is the same size, weight and controls
> > > > of my carry gun. It fits in the same holsters. I use it in my garage
> > > > when I want to accuracy check without a range trip. The pellets and
> > > > gas cost peanuts. A great way to practice perishable skills before
> you
> > > > expend costly ammo at the range. I use it to work on my one handed
> and
> > > > weak handed shooting before I go to the range. Saves me much
> > > embarassment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone else with ideas or techniques to keep to the skills sharp?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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I failed to mention in my last post that while I'm not a great fan of
President Obama, one of his answers deserves our appreciation.  With regard
to the so-called pro-life vs. pro-choice debate, he said that such decisions
were "above my pay grade".
      Mine too.  I'm very nearly as pro-life as anybody AND absoutely
pro-choice about that and almost everything else.
RM

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Eric Sowers <rochefort46@...> wrote:

>
>
> I am a huge Obama fan. I believe he is not nearly as liberal as many
> fear. The single most impressive thing I have heard about his tenure
> so far is his method of resolving the issue of releasing the torture
> memos. His cabinet was split, with Gates (!?) and others urging the
> release, and Podesta and others opposing the release. Obama got both
> groups together in a conference room, and sent them to separate rooms
> to designate one person to represent the side, then they came back in
> and conducted a formal debate. When the last to speak sat down, Obama
> slapped the table and said, "I've decided. Release the memos."
>
> Whether one agrees with the result or not, no one can argue that this
> is a less fair, effective, and intelligent method of resolving a
> difficult issue than we have been using the past eight years.
>
>
> On May 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Roger Metzger wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I may be only liberal in the sense of not being willing to use
> > coercion
> > (including government) to impose my political or religious beliefs on
> > others. But I'd like for everyone to think of me as toting a gun,
> > even when
> > I'm not--for obvious reasons. If every adult who doesn't own a gun
> > would
> > take a conceled carry course and get a concealed carry license, it
> > would be
> > harder for criminals to determine who is likely and who is unlikely
> > to be
> > armed.
> > Last evening, three members of our extended family were in another
> > room
> > making jokes about President Obama and trying to outdo each other in
> > laughing at the jokes. I asked them to stop laughing long enough for
> > me to
> > say something. It was what I ahve said about every president since
> > Ike,
> > "Right or wrong, he is still my president."
> > The frist think to like about Mr. Obama is that he is easy to
> > understand. He seems to communicate better than the president who
> > couldn't
> > pronounce nuclear or another president who wasn't sure what is is.
> > I've also read that he is more willing than most politicians to listen
> > to ideas that are outside the box and even those people who disagree
> > with
> > him. If there is anything you dont' want him to do, be sure to write
> > to
> > him. I've already written to him a couple of times with alternative
> > ways to
> > do what he was trying to do. No responses yet that couldn't have
> > been just
> > form letters, but I'd like to believe that he or his aids are
> > reading at
> > least any positive suggestions sent to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
> > I have suggested that a third political party might be called the
> > Never
> > Again Party. Millions of Americans were willing to wait decades for
> > the
> > trickle-down theory of economics to work. When they ran out of
> > patience,
> > they elected a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress.
> > The result? Billions of dollars to the very people who had caused the
> > economic problems in the first place!
> > So maybe it is time to decide, Never Again. Is there a way to elect
> > people who care about someone other than the millionairs?
> > Does President Obama's appointment of Eric Holder mean that nothing or
> > almost nothing will be done to prosecute government corruption?
> > My take on the founding fathers of this country is that they
> > didn't expect liberty to exist for long under the new form of
> > government the
> > had created, only the hope that it might exist longer than under
> > other forms
> > of government. They expected that government has such a tendency to
> > contol
> > every aspect of people's lives, if the citizens of this nation
> > really valued
> > liberty, revolution would eventually become necessary. The question
> > now is
> > whether we are willing to let someone else define "shall not be
> > infringed".
> > A California co-ed is credited with making this profound statement,
> > "It
> > is true--The pen is mighter than the sward; But only if you have the
> > courage
> > to pick it up once in a while."
> > R.M.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Josh Greenland <
> joshuag1@... <joshuag1%40mindspring.com>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > My apologies if you also receive a message with similar if
> > differently
> > > stated content from me. I sent that previous message hours ago but
> > for
> > > some reason it hasn't yet shown up on the list.
> > >
> > > Anyway, now that the whole political scene is very different in some
> > > important ways from what it was since this list was last active, I
> > > wanted to ask your opinions about it.
> > >
> > > I'm doing that because this is the only non-rightist pro-gun online
> > > venue that I know of. (The pro-gun venue I'm mostly on now is
> > typically
> > > right-dominated and when a couple of the gun owners on it said
> > they had
> > > voted for Obama they were attacked in some pretty harsh ways. It's
> > > something that obviously can't be talked about there.)
> > >
> > > I wanted to know what you all think of Obama, not just his gun
> > politics,
> > > but anything about him, his campaign, his actions or
> > administration that
> > > you want to talk about. Or about McCain, Palin and their campaign,
> > the
> > > Republicans in general, the Democrats in general, the current
> > Congress,
> > > whatever you want.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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"Sporting purpose" is stupid and subject to the whims of faceless
bureaucrats.  Last time around even though there were at least 10,000
people in the US shooting IPSC, it was deemed "not a sport", so they
could throw a bunch of semi-auto shotguns onto the class-3 list.

The Canadians had a "sporting purpose" exemption written into their
hicap mag ban... guess what.. no exception for anybody... any existing
shooting sport 'didn't qualify'.

"sporting purpose" is just a restating of the whole "needs" argument..
"nobody /needs/ an assault weapon".. but that's the same as 'nobody/
needs/ a jet-ski', "nobody /needs/ a car that will go over 70 mph",
heck nobody /needs/ more than one pair of shoes either.

Eric Sowers wrote:
> I didn't intend to imply that hunting is the only sporting purpose.  I
> haven't hunted for 15 years and don't intend to start.  In fact,
> target shooting, competition shooting, and even plinking are, in my
> opinion, sports.  This is another example of the importance of words,
> where the anti-gun ppl know they can't get past the argument, "What
> about the sportsmen?"  Their response is to say "sporting = hunting;
> ergo, hunting guns good, all other guns bad."

I didn't intend to imply that hunting is the only sporting purpose.  I
haven't hunted for 15 years and don't intend to start.  In fact,
target shooting, competition shooting, and even plinking are, in my
opinion, sports.  This is another example of the importance of words,
where the anti-gun ppl know they can't get past the argument, "What
about the sportsmen?"  Their response is to say "sporting = hunting;
ergo, hunting guns good, all other guns bad."  Keeping them honest
about it is great, but it's also pretty clever to move the most
aggressively pursued guns from "other" to "hunting."  We're going to
need any edge we can muster and every time there is a mass shooting
the first thing I check is the type of gun used, for fear it's an AR
or an AK.


On May 15, 2009, at 4:55 PM, chemsoldier2001 wrote:

>
>
> What will defang the argument that a weapon has no sporting purpose
> is smacking politicians upside the head when they claim that
> "sporting purpose" matters.
>
> We also need to smack upside the head our fellow gun owners who
> claim that sporting purpose matters.
>
> I rarely hunt, I compete as a form of training not sport, the
> majority of my shooting is related to self-defense training and
> informal recreational shooting (aka plinking). I am a shooter not a
> sportsman.
>
> To paraphrase, "They came for the .50 BMG rifles and I did nothing
> for I didnt own a .50 BMG, they came for the centerfire semi-auto
> rifles and I said nothing for I didnt own one...finally they came
> for the single shot shotguns and no one helped me because all the
> other types of gun owners were gone.
>
> --- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, Eric Sowers
> <rochefort46@...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think he's even going to mess with the semi-autos. I notice
> > that quite a few manufacturers are making AR's that are specifically
> > designed for hunting medium-sized game, which is good because it
> > defangs the argument that they have no sporting purpose.
> >
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am a huge Obama fan.  I believe he is not nearly as liberal as many
fear.  The single most impressive thing I have heard about his tenure
so far is his method of resolving the issue of releasing the torture
memos.  His cabinet was split, with Gates (!?) and others urging the
release, and Podesta and others opposing the release.  Obama got both
groups together in a conference room, and sent them to separate rooms
to designate one person to represent the side, then they came back in
and conducted a formal debate.  When the last to speak sat down, Obama
slapped the table and said, "I've decided.  Release the memos."

Whether one agrees with the result or not, no one can argue that this
is a less fair, effective, and intelligent method of resolving a
difficult issue than we have been using the past eight years.

On May 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Roger Metzger wrote:

>
>
> I may be only liberal in the sense of not being willing to use
> coercion
> (including government) to impose my political or religious beliefs on
> others. But I'd like for everyone to think of me as toting a gun,
> even when
> I'm not--for obvious reasons. If every adult who doesn't own a gun
> would
> take a conceled carry course and get a concealed carry license, it
> would be
> harder for criminals to determine who is likely and who is unlikely
> to be
> armed.
> Last evening, three members of our extended family were in another
> room
> making jokes about President Obama and trying to outdo each other in
> laughing at the jokes. I asked them to stop laughing long enough for
> me to
> say something. It was what I ahve said about every president since
> Ike,
> "Right or wrong, he is still my president."
> The frist think to like about Mr. Obama is that he is easy to
> understand. He seems to communicate better than the president who
> couldn't
> pronounce nuclear or another president who wasn't sure what is is.
> I've also read that he is more willing than most politicians to listen
> to ideas that are outside the box and even those people who disagree
> with
> him. If there is anything you dont' want him to do, be sure to write
> to
> him. I've already written to him a couple of times with alternative
> ways to
> do what he was trying to do. No responses yet that couldn't have
> been just
> form letters, but I'd like to believe that he or his aids are
> reading at
> least any positive suggestions sent to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
> I have suggested that a third political party might be called the
> Never
> Again Party. Millions of Americans were willing to wait decades for
> the
> trickle-down theory of economics to work. When they ran out of
> patience,
> they elected a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress.
> The result? Billions of dollars to the very people who had caused the
> economic problems in the first place!
> So maybe it is time to decide, Never Again. Is there a way to elect
> people who care about someone other than the millionairs?
> Does President Obama's appointment of Eric Holder mean that nothing or
> almost nothing will be done to prosecute government corruption?
> My take on the founding fathers of this country is that they
> didn't expect liberty to exist for long under the new form of
> government the
> had created, only the hope that it might exist longer than under
> other forms
> of government. They expected that government has such a tendency to
> contol
> every aspect of people's lives, if the citizens of this nation
> really valued
> liberty, revolution would eventually become necessary. The question
> now is
> whether we are willing to let someone else define "shall not be
> infringed".
> A California co-ed is credited with making this profound statement,
> "It
> is true--The pen is mighter than the sward; But only if you have the
> courage
> to pick it up once in a while."
> R.M.
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Josh Greenland <joshuag1@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > My apologies if you also receive a message with similar if
> differently
> > stated content from me. I sent that previous message hours ago but
> for
> > some reason it hasn't yet shown up on the list.
> >
> > Anyway, now that the whole political scene is very different in some
> > important ways from what it was since this list was last active, I
> > wanted to ask your opinions about it.
> >
> > I'm doing that because this is the only non-rightist pro-gun online
> > venue that I know of. (The pro-gun venue I'm mostly on now is
> typically
> > right-dominated and when a couple of the gun owners on it said
> they had
> > voted for Obama they were attacked in some pretty harsh ways. It's
> > something that obviously can't be talked about there.)
> >
> > I wanted to know what you all think of Obama, not just his gun
> politics,
> > but anything about him, his campaign, his actions or
> administration that
> > you want to talk about. Or about McCain, Palin and their campaign,
> the
> > Republicans in general, the Democrats in general, the current
> Congress,
> > whatever you want.
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What will defang the argument that a weapon has no sporting purpose is smacking
politicians upside the head when they claim that "sporting purpose" matters.

We also need to smack upside the head our fellow gun owners who claim that
sporting purpose matters.

I rarely hunt, I compete as a form of training not sport, the majority of my
shooting is related to self-defense training and informal recreational shooting
(aka plinking).  I am a shooter not a sportsman.

To paraphrase, "They came for the .50 BMG rifles and I did nothing for I didnt
own a .50 BMG, they came for the centerfire semi-auto rifles and I said nothing
for I didnt own one...finally they came for the single shot shotguns and no one
helped me because all the other types of gun owners were gone.

--- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, Eric Sowers <rochefort46@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think he's even going to mess with the semi-autos.  I notice
> that quite a few manufacturers are making AR's that are specifically
> designed for hunting medium-sized game, which is good because it
> defangs the argument that they have no sporting purpose.
>

I think the far more likely course of action is a purely executive response.

Tightening of import restrictions to prevent cheaper import ammo like Fiochi,
Sellier & Belloit, Wolf, Silver Bear and restrict what types of firearms can be
imported.  This can all be done (largely) without legislation by the various
executive positions and taps into the pre-existing choke point in expanding the
gun culture...being a huge surge in interest in gun ownership but a
corresponding inability to get affordable ammo and affordable semi-automatic
rifles.  I have heard second hand claims that ammo availability and cost has
decreased range turn-out and match turn-out, especially in Production and Stock
Pistol classes that are the entry level of competitions.  Another example of
this is the brief policy that came out where DoD was going to have to
shred/destroy once fired brass instead of selling it to remanufacturers and
brass companies.  That quietly and quickly vanished when it was obvious folks
were getting bent out of shape about it.

Later we may see attempts at tightening of restrictions that will require
legislation.  As the fastest growing sub-section of gun ownership, restricting
semi-autos is probably a poor idea...but congress and Holder may try it.

As long as the gun being taken away is a type you don't own...you can sacrifice
it on the alter of public good.  Its a whole different matter when they are
telling you that YOU are the threat to public safety.  Because ultimately it
isnt the gun that is the problem.  Its YOU having the gun.  You cant be trusted
not to shoot someone, or to store it properly or not to sell it to a criminal.

But as I said, import restrictions, administrative regulations making it harder
to be an FFL, deliberate fuck-fuck games in getting imported items out of their
port of arrival.


--- In guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com, Eric Sowers <rochefort46@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think he's even going to mess with the semi-autos.  I notice
> that quite a few manufacturers are making AR's that are specifically
> designed for hunting medium-sized game, which is good because it
> defangs the argument that they have no sporting purpose.
>
> Obama wants a second term, and if he goes after guns he'll lose a huge
> block of votes from the center.
>
>
> On May 15, 2009, at 2:12 PM, dick21436 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The US seems to have historically been a knee-jerk reactive society.
> > This is a grand opportunity for conservatives because conservatives
> > themselves are incapable of doing systems thinking. They cannot
> > understand, regardless their apparent intellect, that somehow things
> > are interconnected and interrelated. At the same time, this is the
> > condition of the public at large. At times this is intellectual
> > laziness, at other times it is the result of a flat earth mentality.
> > As a social psychologist, I rely on sociology as an assurance that
> > the proscription of guns at this late stage would simply leave the
> > well-meaning, mind-their-own-business kinds of folks at the mercy of
> > an enormous, dangerous and predatory element of our society. I spent
> > seven years at various positions in the Ill. Dept. of Corrections
> > and, believe me, we have some very dangerous people outside the
> > prison walls. The realization that prisons are where we house the
> > unsuccessful criminals, and that the rest are simply at large, is
> > quite discomforting. When I came to that realization I immediately
> > knew that the police are a thin blue line of defense, sometimes as
> > corrupt as the villains, and not always on time.
> >
> > I sincerely hope Obama's only target is assault weapons and their
> > ilk and not hunting weapons and handguns. But, I can only hope. He
> > does seem to be a reasonable fellow. Also, it appears that the
> > Supreme Court is painting the 2nd Amendment with a much broader and
> > more meaningful brush. Consequently, any attempt to curb gun rights
> > might be met with a denial of such legislation by the Court.
> >
> > Dick Hudson
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I don't think he's even going to mess with the semi-autos.  I notice
that quite a few manufacturers are making AR's that are specifically
designed for hunting medium-sized game, which is good because it
defangs the argument that they have no sporting purpose.

Obama wants a second term, and if he goes after guns he'll lose a huge
block of votes from the center.


On May 15, 2009, at 2:12 PM, dick21436 wrote:

>
>
> The US seems to have historically been a knee-jerk reactive society.
> This is a grand opportunity for conservatives because conservatives
> themselves are incapable of doing systems thinking. They cannot
> understand, regardless their apparent intellect, that somehow things
> are interconnected and interrelated. At the same time, this is the
> condition of the public at large. At times this is intellectual
> laziness, at other times it is the result of a flat earth mentality.
> As a social psychologist, I rely on sociology as an assurance that
> the proscription of guns at this late stage would simply leave the
> well-meaning, mind-their-own-business kinds of folks at the mercy of
> an enormous, dangerous and predatory element of our society. I spent
> seven years at various positions in the Ill. Dept. of Corrections
> and, believe me, we have some very dangerous people outside the
> prison walls. The realization that prisons are where we house the
> unsuccessful criminals, and that the rest are simply at large, is
> quite discomforting. When I came to that realization I immediately
> knew that the police are a thin blue line of defense, sometimes as
> corrupt as the villains, and not always on time.
>
> I sincerely hope Obama's only target is assault weapons and their
> ilk and not hunting weapons and handguns. But, I can only hope. He
> does seem to be a reasonable fellow. Also, it appears that the
> Supreme Court is painting the 2nd Amendment with a much broader and
> more meaningful brush. Consequently, any attempt to curb gun rights
> might be met with a denial of such legislation by the Court.
>
> Dick Hudson
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I may be only liberal in the sense of not being willing to use coercion
(including government) to impose my political or religious beliefs on
others.  But I'd like for everyone to think of me as toting a gun, even when
I'm not--for obvious reasons.  If every adult who doesn't own a gun would
take a conceled carry course and get a concealed carry license, it would be
harder for criminals to determine who is likely and who is unlikely to be
armed.
      Last evening, three members of our extended family were in another room
making jokes about President Obama and trying to outdo each other in
laughing at the jokes.  I asked them to stop laughing long enough for me to
say something.  It was what I ahve said about every president since Ike,
"Right or wrong, he is still my president."
      The frist think to like about Mr. Obama is that he is easy to
understand.  He seems to communicate better than the president who couldn't
pronounce nuclear or another president who wasn't sure what is is.
      I've also read that he is more willing than most politicians to listen
to ideas that are outside the box and even those people who disagree with
him.  If there is anything you dont' want him to do, be sure to write to
him.  I've already written to him a couple of times with alternative ways to
do what he was trying to do.  No responses yet that couldn't have been just
form letters, but I'd like to believe that he or his aids are reading at
least any positive suggestions sent to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
      I have suggested that a third political party might be called the Never
Again Party.  Millions of Americans were willing to wait decades for the
trickle-down theory of economics to work.   When they ran out of patience,
they elected a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress.
      The result?  Billions of dollars to the very people who had caused the
economic problems in the first place!
     So maybe it is time to decide, Never Again.  Is there a way to elect
people who care about someone other than the millionairs?
      Does President Obama's appointment of Eric Holder mean that nothing or
almost nothing will be done to prosecute government corruption?
     My take on the founding fathers of this country is that they
didn't expect liberty to exist for long under the new form of government the
had created, only the hope that it might exist longer than under other forms
of government.  They expected that government has such a tendency to contol
every aspect of people's lives, if the citizens of this nation really valued
liberty, revolution would eventually become necessary.  The question now is
whether we are willing to let someone else define "shall not be
infringed".
      A California co-ed is credited with making this profound statement, "It
is true--The pen is mighter than the sward; But only if you have the courage
to pick it up once in a while."
R.M.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Josh Greenland <joshuag1@...>wrote:

>
>
> My apologies if you also receive a message with similar if differently
> stated content from me. I sent that previous message hours ago but for
> some reason it hasn't yet shown up on the list.
>
> Anyway, now that the whole political scene is very different in some
> important ways from what it was since this list was last active, I
> wanted to ask your opinions about it.
>
> I'm doing that because this is the only non-rightist pro-gun online
> venue that I know of. (The pro-gun venue I'm mostly on now is typically
> right-dominated and when a couple of the gun owners on it said they had
> voted for Obama they were attacked in some pretty harsh ways. It's
> something that obviously can't be talked about there.)
>
> I wanted to know what you all think of Obama, not just his gun politics,
> but anything about him, his campaign, his actions or administration that
> you want to talk about. Or about McCain, Palin and their campaign, the
> Republicans in general, the Democrats in general, the current Congress,
> whatever you want.
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The US seems to have historically been a knee-jerk reactive society.  This is a
grand opportunity for conservatives because conservatives themselves are
incapable of doing systems thinking.  They cannot understand, regardless their
apparent intellect, that somehow things are interconnected and interrelated.  At
the same time, this is the condition of the public at large.  At times this is
intellectual laziness, at other times it is the result of a flat earth
mentality.  As a social psychologist, I rely on sociology as an assurance that
the proscription of guns at this late stage would simply leave the well-meaning,
mind-their-own-business kinds of folks at the mercy of an enormous, dangerous
and predatory element of our society.  I spent seven years at various positions
in the Ill. Dept. of Corrections and, believe me, we have some very dangerous
people outside the prison walls.  The realization that prisons are where we
house the unsuccessful criminals, and that the rest are simply at large, is
quite discomforting.  When I came to that realization I immediately knew that
the police are a thin blue line of defense, sometimes as corrupt as the
villains, and not always on time.

I sincerely hope Obama's only target is assault weapons and their ilk and not
hunting weapons and handguns.  But, I can only hope.  He does seem to be a
reasonable fellow.  Also, it appears that the Supreme Court is painting the 2nd
Amendment with a much broader and more meaningful brush.  Consequently, any
attempt to curb gun rights might be met with a denial of such legislation by the
Court.

Dick Hudson

Welcome. It is difficult being liberal and a gun owner. I could not stand the
constant harping on the right about socialism and how America should just do
what it wants because we are somehow inherently the best place on earth. The
blindness of the right and their jingoism riles me up. From some of our
colleagues though, things aren't much better. They see fit to see all gun owners
as war mongers or insecure about their anatomy, or other vile accusations.

So my views on Obama are that he is a much better representative of America than
we had previously. He seems to think about the issue before he addresses it
which is a nice change. Recently I have been disappointed by his tendency to
reverse himself in some of his decisions about investigating torture, about the
closure of Gitmo, but establishing of indefinite detention in the States.
Overall I am still optimistic that we will bring back some balance. It is still
too early to tell, but given the situation with the economy I still feel better
knowing that the President is thinking about solutions and not just acting on
some preconceived ideas that have not even been discussed.

Hi,



   Somehow the Obama post got attached to my email handle, it wasn't mine. I
didn't vote for Obama but by and large I'm satified with the job he is doing so
far, with the exception of some of the bail-outs.

   Michelle, I think you brought up a good point about the gun atrocities "adding
another nail in the coffin"





To: guntotingliberals@yahoogroups.com
From: Safoocat@...
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:29:13 -0700
Subject: Re: [guntotingliberals] Your thoughts on Obama?







I liked Obama from the first time I heard him speak at the Democratic convention
many years ago and hoped he would be the president someday.

I'm a bit disappointed in some of the things that are going on like bailing out
the rich
but I don't know if anyone could have stopped that. I'd also like to see him end
the
war on drugs at least marijuana as that's what most of his supporters on his
website
said they wanted to see done.

I would like it better if he supported gay marriage but can understand why he
didn't.
Don't ask don't tell needs to be chucked so we have an integrated military.

I would like to see universal health care and not some kind of band aid fix that
leaves
big business in charge of our health. I think the only way we will get universal
health
care is to first get a universal ID card like the VA card I have.

Barack is a million times better than anything the Republicans had or have to
offer
so I'm feeling glad to be an American again.

As far as gun legislatoin goes I think that's more dependent on the number and
severity of atrocities that occur more than who the law makers are.
Every atrocity done with a gun is another nail in our gun rights.
That's plain to me.

Glad you found the group,

Michelle Ress Felton, CA

http://safoocat.blogspot.com/

Wapati Guy wrote:
> Hi,
>
>   I ran across this group while surfing the web. It sounded great as it's
tough being a liberal gun owner. Apparently this isn't too active of a group?
>

It hasn't been, but it probably should be now.

I'm curious how people feel about Obama. I mean altogether, and not just
on guns but certainly including that.

My reason for asking is that this is the one pro-gun venue that I know
of that isn't dominated by people on the right.

I have a lot more to say about pro-gun venues that ARE dominated by the
right and their response to Obama, but I wanted to know YOUR thoughts
and feelings about him and his administration, how and why he got
elected, the Republicans' attempt to beat him, their response to his and
the Democratic party's electoral victory, the current shape of the
Republican party (a fascinating topic by itself), and anything else
closely or tangentially related to Obama that you might want to talk about.

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> Wapati Guy wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >   I ran across this group while surfing the web. It sounded great as it's
tough being a liberal gun owner. Apparently this isn't too active of a group?

There's a very active forum at: http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/

I try to join as many of these as I can and LGC is active, helpful and
informative.  I haven't had as much experience with this group but I have to say
I prefer the forum format over the yahoogroups format.

Dick Hudson

I liked Obama from the first time I heard him speak at the Democratic convention
many years ago and hoped he would be the president someday.
 
I'm a bit disappointed in some of the things that are going on like bailing out
the rich
but I don't know if anyone could have stopped that. I'd also like to see him end
the
war on drugs at least marijuana as that's what most of his supporters on his
website
said they wanted to see done.
 
I would like it better if he supported gay marriage but can understand why he
didn't.
Don't ask don't tell needs to be chucked so we have an integrated military.
 
I would like to see universal health care and not some kind of band aid fix that
leaves
big business in charge of our health. I think the only way we will get universal
health
care is to first get a universal ID card like the VA card I have.
 
Barack is a million times better than anything the Republicans had or have to
offer
so I'm feeling glad to be an American again.
 
As far as gun legislatoin goes I think that's more dependent on the number and
severity of atrocities that occur more than who the law makers are.
Every atrocity done with a gun is another nail in our gun rights.
That's plain to me.
 
Glad you found the group,


Michelle Ress Felton, CA
 
http://safoocat.blogspot.com/




Wapati Guy wrote:
> Hi,
>
>   I ran across this group while surfing the web. It sounded great as it's
tough being a liberal gun owner. Apparently this isn't too active of a group?
>   

It hasn't been, but it probably should be now.

I'm curious how people feel about Obama. I mean altogether, and not just
on guns but certainly including that.

My reason for asking is that this is the one pro-gun venue that I know
of that isn't dominated by people on the right.

I have a lot more to say about pro-gun venues that ARE dominated by the
right and their response to Obama, but I wanted to know YOUR thoughts
and feelings about him and his administration, how and why he got
elected, the Republicans' attempt to beat him, their response to his and
the Democratic party's electoral victory, the current shape of the
Republican party (a fascinating topic by itself), and anything else
closely or tangentially related to Obama that you might want to talk about.







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