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Re: [guntotingliberals] Question for GTLers: what do you think of Obama and the current political scene?

I may be only liberal in the sense of not being willing to use coercion
(including government) to impose my political or religious beliefs on
others. But I'd like for everyone to think of me as toting a gun, even when
I'm not--for obvious reasons. If every adult who doesn't own a gun would
take a conceled carry course and get a concealed carry license, it would be
harder for criminals to determine who is likely and who is unlikely to be
armed.
Last evening, three members of our extended family were in another room
making jokes about President Obama and trying to outdo each other in
laughing at the jokes. I asked them to stop laughing long enough for me to
say something. It was what I ahve said about every president since Ike,
"Right or wrong, he is still my president."
The frist think to like about Mr. Obama is that he is easy to
understand. He seems to communicate better than the president who couldn't
pronounce nuclear or another president who wasn't sure what is is.
I've also read that he is more willing than most politicians to listen
to ideas that are outside the box and even those people who disagree with
him. If there is anything you dont' want him to do, be sure to write to
him. I've already written to him a couple of times with alternative ways to
do what he was trying to do. No responses yet that couldn't have been just
form letters, but I'd like to believe that he or his aids are reading at
least any positive suggestions sent to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
I have suggested that a third political party might be called the Never
Again Party. Millions of Americans were willing to wait decades for the
trickle-down theory of economics to work. When they ran out of patience,
they elected a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress.
The result? Billions of dollars to the very people who had caused the
economic problems in the first place!
So maybe it is time to decide, Never Again. Is there a way to elect
people who care about someone other than the millionairs?
Does President Obama's appointment of Eric Holder mean that nothing or
almost nothing will be done to prosecute government corruption?
My take on the founding fathers of this country is that they
didn't expect liberty to exist for long under the new form of government the
had created, only the hope that it might exist longer than under other forms
of government. They expected that government has such a tendency to contol
every aspect of people's lives, if the citizens of this nation really valued
liberty, revolution would eventually become necessary. The question now is
whether we are willing to let someone else define "shall not be
infringed".
A California co-ed is credited with making this profound statement, "It
is true--The pen is mighter than the sward; But only if you have the courage
to pick it up once in a while."
R.M.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Josh Greenland <joshuag1@...>wrote:

>
>
> My apologies if you also receive a message with similar if differently
> stated content from me. I sent that previous message hours ago but for
> some reason it hasn't yet shown up on the list.
>
> Anyway, now that the whole political scene is very different in some
> important ways from what it was since this list was last active, I
> wanted to ask your opinions about it.
>
> I'm doing that because this is the only non-rightist pro-gun online
> venue that I know of. (The pro-gun venue I'm mostly on now is typically
> right-dominated and when a couple of the gun owners on it said they had
> voted for Obama they were attacked in some pretty harsh ways. It's
> something that obviously can't be talked about there.)
>
> I wanted to know what you all think of Obama, not just his gun politics,
> but anything about him, his campaign, his actions or administration that
> you want to talk about. Or about McCain, Palin and their campaign, the
> Republicans in general, the Democrats in general, the current Congress,
> whatever you want.
>
>
>


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Hi Gabriel, Yep. That's me :) over at DU, and also over at proggunprogressive. Boy, that Morgan Spurlock is quite a fella. Too bad his show got cancelled....
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My apologies if you also receive a message with similar if differently stated content from me. I sent that previous message hours ago but for some reason it...
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I may be only liberal in the sense of not being willing to use coercion (including government) to impose my political or religious beliefs on others. But I'd...
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I am a huge Obama fan. I believe he is not nearly as liberal as many fear. The single most impressive thing I have heard about his tenure so far is his...
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I failed to mention in my last post that while I'm not a great fan of President Obama, one of his answers deserves our appreciation. With regard to the...
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... It hasn't been, but it probably should be now. I'm curious how people feel about Obama. I mean altogether, and not just on guns but certainly including...
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Hi, Somehow the Obama post got attached to my email handle, it wasn't mine. I didn't vote for Obama but by and large I'm satified with the job he is doing so...
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