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In a message dated 98-10-28 17:04:49 EST, you write:

<< Greetings from Isaac

  What 18" limit are you talking about?   >>
Here in Ansteorra a buckler can be no bigger than 18" long in any direction
Pieter Rausch
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#28

From: "Drew & Capri" <purple@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 1998 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: Bucklers

purple@...

Isaac writes:

<<Greetings from Isaac

What 18" limit are you talking about?  >>

Actually, Morcar, the limit is currently 20 inches in diameter, or the
equivalent.  Note that current scuttlebut is that the next MK rules _may_
have a "proportional" rule -- buckler can be no longer than tips of fingers
to crook of elbow...  ironically enough, more scuttlebut is that the next
CORPORATE rules _may_ have a no-size limit to bucklers.

I've yet to see any evidence of spiked bucklers used in period for
fencing... granted, in my intemperate youth, I did at one time think that
the idea was a nifty one, but as a marshal, I just think it goes against the
grain of what we've spent so much time trying to teach (ok, y'all can stop
laughing now...:).  Also, how are these bucklers going to be constructed?
Will they have a dagger handle, or a more regular buckler handle?  Are we
going to cut off the majority of the tang of every flexi that we insert into
a bucker?  That's going to require extending the threads up nearly to the
base of the blade, and doesn't give a lot of leeway for the nut loosening
before the whole thing falls apart.  Never mind the idea of actually
swinging at someone with a buckler.  My mask is too expensive to be whacked
with a wooden plate with a spike in it.

There's plenty of evidence that bucklers were big tho.  That's the direction
I'd personally go.

I don't know if any of the Regional or "Special" MOF's are on the list.
Are you listening?

in service and in song,

Andrew the Purple
Minstrel, Fencer, Bearward and Player (and INSTIGATOR)
Chronicler-Dean, The Academia --
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8531

>Luisa writes:
>
><<About the spiked buckler question:  Sounds like a recipe for someone
>getting
>stabbed. This would be bad. I thought bucklers were only used for
>defense.
>What purpose would a spike serve, except to make the buckler an
>offensive
>weapon?>>
>
>Yes, that was the idea, more or less, in period: make your buckler more
>useful by making it both offensive and defensive.  (*More* offensive,
>actually, because it could be used to bash someone even without the
>spike).
>
>If you play by the Midrealm theory of rapier (we are all courtiers
>showing off our skill with bated blades), spiked bucklers have a hard
>time fitting into this definition of the game.  Why bother putting a
>spike on a buckler if it is only going to be bated?
>
>But theories of play aside, I agree with Purple: after teaching people
>not to use their bucklers offensively, we are suddenly condoning
>offensive bucklers, albeit in a limited form.  Beyond that, though, I
>also worry about being able to gauge the "spike" hits with the buckler.
>Then again, I haven't seen the design specs yet, so it's pretty easy to
>criticize that which you know nothing about.
>
>Personally, I'd rather see us experiment with square and round targets
>in rapier (a la Di Grassi) that can extend beyond the current 18"
>buckler limit.  Period, safe, and it doesn't break formerly learned good
>habits.
>
>Morcar
>Provost of the Academia
>Brewer
>Wanna-be scribe
>other stuff

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#27

From: vorder@... (Andrew Vorder Bruegge)
Date: Wed Oct 28, 1998 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: Bucklers

vorder@...

Greetings from Isaac

What 18" limit are you talking about?

>Luisa writes:
>
><<About the spiked buckler question:  Sounds like a recipe for someone
>getting
>stabbed. This would be bad. I thought bucklers were only used for
>defense.
>What purpose would a spike serve, except to make the buckler an
>offensive
>weapon?>>
>
>Yes, that was the idea, more or less, in period: make your buckler more
>useful by making it both offensive and defensive.  (*More* offensive,
>actually, because it could be used to bash someone even without the
>spike).
>
>If you play by the Midrealm theory of rapier (we are all courtiers
>showing off our skill with bated blades), spiked bucklers have a hard
>time fitting into this definition of the game.  Why bother putting a
>spike on a buckler if it is only going to be bated?
>
>But theories of play aside, I agree with Purple: after teaching people
>not to use their bucklers offensively, we are suddenly condoning
>offensive bucklers, albeit in a limited form.  Beyond that, though, I
>also worry about being able to gauge the "spike" hits with the buckler.
>Then again, I haven't seen the design specs yet, so it's pretty easy to
>criticize that which you know nothing about.
>
>Personally, I'd rather see us experiment with square and round targets
>in rapier (a la Di Grassi) that can extend beyond the current 18"
>buckler limit.  Period, safe, and it doesn't break formerly learned good
>habits.
>
>Morcar
>Provost of the Academia
>Brewer
>Wanna-be scribe
>other stuff
>
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St. Cloud State University
St. Cloud, MN 56301
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#26

From: AlexdeSet@...
Date: Wed Oct 28, 1998 1:09 pm
Subject: Re: Hello and test

AlexdeSet@...

Greetings!
I have also signed on.
Alexander de Seton of Altavia,
deputy Regional of Midlands.
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#25

From: JLK@...
Date: Wed Oct 28, 1998 5:29 pm
Subject: BSRP

JLK@...

>Lavan, what is Blue Skies, Red Peril? I'm only familiar with "Blue skies
smile on me, nothing but blue skies do I see.

It's kind of a long story but I'll try to abridge as best I can.
Blue Skies:  Standard sort of catch-all parting phrase amongst skydivers
and parachutists everywhere usually used in parting-similar to wishing
one well.
Red Peril:  Traditionally used to denote Red China and Communists everywhere.
Why I use it:  Blue Skies:  Wishing you well.  Red Peril:  A vague reference
to Godless Communism since I am mundanely of Russian heritage (my persona's
Ukranian from the district of Kiev) and a year and a half or so ago I
was the captain of a skydiving team and upon becoming captain I decided it
would be more fun to be the team's "Political Officer".  There's more.
Those who have met me will attest that I have long, red hair down to about
the middle of my back.  Those who have skydived with me might attest that
they did so at their own peril.  (Actually, so far-so good.  I regularly
jump with students, video competing teams in freefall, and have video'd
teams who not only right now are out in Arizona competing in a national
competition but one that I've video'd has won in the past-so I guess it's
not too perilous to jump from airplanes with me-knock wood).  So,
to sum it all up, Blue Skies-Wishing you well, Red Peril-a nod to Godless
Communism, my heritage, my hair, and some of the scarier aspects of
freefall.  I suppose, just to keep it more tuned towards Rapier Combat you
can take the Blue Skies for what it is worth (we like Blue Skies when we
fence, I suppose) and the Red Peril as a nod towards Lavan being from
Eastern Europe, Lavan having long and red hair, and the alleged peril of
facing me in combat (which isn't that perilous since 3 weekends out of 4
I'm usually out jumping and the 4th weekend is normally reserved for me
to spend time with the woman I love when she comes to visit me (long distance
relationship...sigh).
...BSRP
...Lavan
...jlk
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#24

From: "Douglas Hulick" <jarkman2@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 1998 9:08 am
Subject: Re: Northshield Rapier Academy

jarkman2@...

Huh.  I had included the web page address, too, but it didn't get tacked
on.  Here's the link for the NRA:

http://tigger.stcloudstate.edu/~sca/rapacad

I may be teaching a course on drills, too (once I figure out how I got
volunteered into teaching single rapier, that is...)

Morcar


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#23

From: "Douglas Hulick" <jarkman2@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 1998 9:04 am
Subject: Bucklers

jarkman2@...

Luisa writes:

<<About the spiked buckler question:  Sounds like a recipe for someone
getting
stabbed. This would be bad. I thought bucklers were only used for
defense.
What purpose would a spike serve, except to make the buckler an
offensive
weapon?>>

Yes, that was the idea, more or less, in period: make your buckler more
useful by making it both offensive and defensive.  (*More* offensive,
actually, because it could be used to bash someone even without the
spike).

If you play by the Midrealm theory of rapier (we are all courtiers
showing off our skill with bated blades), spiked bucklers have a hard
time fitting into this definition of the game.  Why bother putting a
spike on a buckler if it is only going to be bated?

But theories of play aside, I agree with Purple: after teaching people
not to use their bucklers offensively, we are suddenly condoning
offensive bucklers, albeit in a limited form.  Beyond that, though, I
also worry about being able to gauge the "spike" hits with the buckler.
Then again, I haven't seen the design specs yet, so it's pretty easy to
criticize that which you know nothing about.

Personally, I'd rather see us experiment with square and round targets
in rapier (a la Di Grassi) that can extend beyond the current 18"
buckler limit.  Period, safe, and it doesn't break formerly learned good
habits.

Morcar
Provost of the Academia
Brewer
Wanna-be scribe
other stuff

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#22

From: "Douglas Hulick" <jarkman2@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 1998 8:31 am
Subject: Northshield Rapier Academy

jarkman2@...

Copied from the Northshield Mialing list:

-----------begin copied material-----------------
From: vorder@... (Andrew Vorder Bruegge)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:17:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Northshield]: northshield rapier academy

Greetings from Isaac to all who read these words

Below is information about activities scheduled so far for the
northshield
rapier academy (NRA).  The event is 10 April in Rockhaven.

If you are interested in teaching something or have questions about the
scheduled activities, CONTACT THE EVENT STEWARD.  DON'T CONTACT ME!!!!!!

If you have questions about the site or crash space, DON'T CONTACT THE
EVENT
STEWARD.  CONTACT ME!!!!!

The event steward is Alexander of Manchester, MKA Brian Reed,
612-588-9916.
He does not have email.

TENTATIVE LIST OF
INSTRUCTORS
THIRD ANNUAL RAPIER ACADEMY

Times and Locations in the Site Not Determined

Please report any errors to the Event Steward, Alexander of Manchester

Instructor                                              Class

Fencing Technique Classes

Lloyd of Penrose                                        Case of Rapiers

Christina Landswalker of Penrose                        Rapier and
Dagger

Julio Gava'n                                            Rapier Rigid
Parry Device

Morcar Longreach                                        Single Rapier

Alexander of Manchester                                 New Moves to Try

Tentative plans for basic fencing training for those who are new to the
noble science

Demonstration/Lecture Classes

Catalina
Costuming/Fencing Garb

Margalit of Toledo                                      First Aid for
Marshals

Duroc Alec MacMillon                                    Blow Calling

Tentative plans for a class on injury simulation and/or materials
testing,
pending approval
from kingdom level officials.
Andrew Vorder Bruegge, Ph.D.
PAC 202
Dept. of Theatre and Film Studies
St. Cloud State University
St. Cloud, MN 56301
320-255-3265

407 3rd St. North
Sauk Rapids, MN 56379
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#21

From: "B. J. Schteeple" <shteeple@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 1998 4:33 am
Subject: Re: Hello and test

shteeple@...

> Greetings good gentles,

     I am Luisa du Jardin, currently in Nordskogen and sailing with the Black
Ship Inverness. I've been in  the SCA about 8 months, and have been fighting
rapier since May. I was authorized in early September.

     Lavan, what is Blue Skies, Red Peril? I'm only familiar with "Blue skies
smile on me, nothing but blue skies do I see."

     It was 65 F here in Nordskogen today. Unbelievable. It's the end of
October and my children are still running around in shorts and sandals. Of
course it could snow tomorrow.

About the spiked buckler question:  Sounds like a recipe for someone getting
stabbed. This would be bad. I thought bucklers were only used for defense.
What purpose would a spike serve, except to make the buckler an offensive
weapon?

Luisa

>
> ...BSRP
> ...Lavan
> ...jlk
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#20

From: JLK@...
Date: Tue Oct 27, 1998 11:17 pm
Subject: Re: Hello and test

JLK@...

As to who is on, so far, it's myself, Purple, and you-Gwenhwyvar.
Cold up there yet?  I spent last weekend with  the Sabre (a type of
parachute) and it was 75 degrees on the ground and 40 degrees two and a
half miles up.  Ah, lovely Ansteorra!
...BSRP
...Lavan
...jlk
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#19

From: CADET1313@...
Date: Tue Oct 27, 1998 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: Hello and test

CADET1313@...

In a message dated 98-10-27 17:34:32 EST, you write:

<<
  Hey Ho-just got here and am testing it out.
  ...Blue Skies, Red Peril,
  ...Lavan
  ...jlk >>
HiDeHo good neighbor
Pieter Rausch
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#18

From: JLK@...
Date: Tue Oct 27, 1998 10:52 pm
Subject: Introduction

JLK@...

Hello to all-
Just a quick little introduction for those who have not met me since
I'm relatively inactive these days.
My name is Lavrenty Bryanovych Korsakov and most everyone calls me by
the familiar, "Lavan".  I am either the 51st or 52nd Don of Ansteorra
and was the cadet of Don Hans Durmast von die Wanderlust (Dormouse) who
is still my good friend and skydiving buddy when we're not doing SCA
stuff.  I've been doing SCA stuff since around 1978, played heavy for
about 5 years or so, picked up Rapier, got decent at it, became Mouse's
cadet for another 10(!) years (I was an excellent cadet-just ask Mouse).
I'm looking forwards to the discourse.  Stay warm, y'all!
...Blue Skies, Red Peril,
...Lavan
...jlk
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#17

From: Wendy Colbert <WendyC@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 1998 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: Hello and test

WendyC@...

Gwenhwyvar verch Owen ap Morgan wrote:
>JLK@... wrote:
>
>> Hey Ho-just got here and am testing it out.
>> ...Blue Skies, Red Peril,
>> ...Lavan
>> ...jlk
>
>Hello!
>Just got here too ... who all is on??
>

I'm here....
Irene

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Patron of the Thorny Ivy and Proud supporter of Rapier Combat

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#16

From: Jeanie Simmons <myena@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 1998 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: Hello and test

myena@...

JLK@... wrote:

> Hey Ho-just got here and am testing it out.
> ...Blue Skies, Red Peril,
> ...Lavan
> ...jlk

Hello!
Just got here too ... who all is on??

In Service,
Gwenhwyvar verch Owen ap Morgan

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#15

From: "Drew & Capri" <purple@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 1998 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: Hello and test

purple@...

hi lavan....
in service and in song,

Andrew the Purple
Minstrel, Fencer, Bearward and Player (and INSTIGATOR)
Chronicler-Dean, The Academia --
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8531


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#14

From: JLK@...
Date: Tue Oct 27, 1998 10:08 pm
Subject: Hello and test

JLK@...

Hey Ho-just got here and am testing it out.
...Blue Skies, Red Peril,
...Lavan
...jlk
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#13

From: "Drew & Capri" <purple@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 1998 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: topics on this list

purple@...

<<However, one topic I can toss out right away:
I just got my Pale (Middle Kingdom newsletter for our non-MK friends out
there) today and read that the Kingdom MOF has decided "to allow an
experimentation period for spiked bucklers, which are made with
flexi-dagger blades."  Permission from the KMOF is required, and you
have to be authorized in dagger and buckler.

So does anyone know anything about this beyond what's printed in the
Pale?  Is the spike pointing straight out from the buckler (ie - the
blade is perpendicular to the buckler) or does it extend from either the
top or bottom (blade parallel to the buckler)?>>

I believe that this is supposed to emulate the spiked
buckler/shields/targes... ie, the spike points straight out with the bucker.

<<In either case, am I too
quick in thinking a flexi-dagger might be a little too long to function
as an effective spike?  Or am I envisioning it wrong?>>

No, I think you're right -- a flexi will be too long to function as an
effective spike, and, IMO, is more dangerous than a rapier-spear or a bagel.

<<Anyone see or hear anything at the Kingdom Rapier Championship about
this?  Anyone ever seen this tried in another Kingdom?>>

No word about it at the Rapier Championship that I heard... It seems to me
that after years of teaching people to not hit with a buckler, this is going
to be an unwieldy and unsafe mistake.

Sorry, am I not being forthright enough?  :) :P

in service and in song,

Andrew the Purple
Minstrel, Fencer, Bearward and Player (and INSTIGATOR)
Chronicler-Dean, The Academia
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8531

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#12

From: CADET1313@...
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 11:41 pm
Subject: Re: topics on this list

CADET1313@...

In a message dated 98-10-26 21:47:30 EST, you write:

<<
  So does anyone know anything about this beyond what's printed in the
  Pale?  Is the spike pointing straight out from the buckler (ie - the
  blade is perpendicular to the buckler) or does it extend from either the
  top or bottom (blade parallel to the buckler)?  In either case, am I too
  quick in thinking a flexi-dagger might be a little too long to function
  as an effective spike?  Or am I envisioning it wrong?

  Anyone see or hear anything at the Kingdom Rapier Championship about
  this?  Anyone ever seen this tried in another Kingdom?
   >>
In period they would be sticking out from the center of the buckler. As far as
I know we have tried them in Ansteorra and they were ruled out dut to the
force for the shot + the fact that you might hit someone with the buckler.
Again in period they were a good smash and stab weapon but for our uses in the
Sca they might be to much to handle......this is only my humble opinion.
Cadet Pieter Rausch
Ansteorra
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#11

From: "B. J. Schteeple" <shteeple@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 1998 3:21 am
Subject: Re: test

shteeple@...

Yes, I got two messages. Also, what's this "Topic of the Week"?

Luisa

Douglas Hulick wrote:

> No, I only sent one.  I also received two messages from the server on my
> "test" send, but have only gotten one from all the other folks so far.
> Then again, my server was acting weird earlier today.  Let's see if the
> list-server double sends this message.
>
> Anyone else get two "test" messages from me? (If the answer is "no",
> save band width by simply not responding, please.)
>
> Morcar
>
> >
> >I received two test messages. Did you send two?
> >
> >Gwen
> >
> >---Douglas Hulick <jarkman2@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> test
> >>
> >
> >==
> >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> >Jennifer McNitt
> >Rosemount, MN
> >E-mail: jenmcnitt@...
> >SCA: Gweniver Kenwyn of Roseveth
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#10

From: "Douglas Hulick" <jarkman2@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 6:37 pm
Subject: Re: topics on this list

jarkman2@...

Welcome Lord Pieter!

Well, considering the first message to be sent on this list went off
about, oh, six hours ago, we really don't have a topic of the week yet,
let alone one of the day.  However, suggestions will gladly be taken. :)

However, one topic I can toss out right away:
I just got my Pale (Middle Kingdom newsletter for our non-MK friends out
there) today and read that the Kingdom MOF has decided "to allow an
experimentation period for spiked bucklers, which are made with
flexi-dagger blades."  Permission from the KMOF is required, and you
have to be authorized in dagger and buckler.

So does anyone know anything about this beyond what's printed in the
Pale?  Is the spike pointing straight out from the buckler (ie - the
blade is perpendicular to the buckler) or does it extend from either the
top or bottom (blade parallel to the buckler)?  In either case, am I too
quick in thinking a flexi-dagger might be a little too long to function
as an effective spike?  Or am I envisioning it wrong?

Anyone see or hear anything at the Kingdom Rapier Championship about
this?  Anyone ever seen this tried in another Kingdom?

I remain, in service,
Morcar

>
>Hello
>My name is Ld Pieter Rausch and I am cadet to Don Jeremy from
Ansteorra. I
>just wanted to know the topic of the week since i just signed on to
this list
>Pieter
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From: "Douglas Hulick" <jarkman2@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: test

jarkman2@...

No, I only sent one.  I also received two messages from the server on my
"test" send, but have only gotten one from all the other folks so far.
Then again, my server was acting weird earlier today.  Let's see if the
list-server double sends this message.

Anyone else get two "test" messages from me? (If the answer is "no",
save band width by simply not responding, please.)

Morcar

>
>I received two test messages. Did you send two?
>
>Gwen
>
>---Douglas Hulick <jarkman2@...> wrote:
>>
>> test
>>
>
>==
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>Rosemount, MN
>E-mail: jenmcnitt@...
>SCA: Gweniver Kenwyn of Roseveth
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From: CADET1313@...
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 8:00 pm
Subject: topics on this list

CADET1313@...

Hello
My name is Ld Pieter Rausch and I am cadet to Don Jeremy from Ansteorra. I
just wanted to know the topic of the week since i just signed on to this list
Pieter
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From: "Drew & Capri" <purple@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 11:40 pm
Subject: test

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test\

Howdy everyone!

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From: "B. J. Schteeple" <shteeple@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: test

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Coming through loud and clear.
Luisa

Douglas Hulick wrote:

> test
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From: durocmc@...
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 10:48 pm
Subject: Re: test

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test back
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From: Jennifer McNitt <jenmcnitt@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: test

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I received two test messages. Did you send two?

Gwen

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From: reidan fredstrom <rfredstr@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: test

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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Douglas Hulick wrote:

> test
>
Pass.

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From: "Douglas Hulick" <jarkman2@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 12:20 pm
Subject: test

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test

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From: "Douglas Hulick" <jarkman2@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 1998 12:19 pm
Subject: test

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test

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