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I know you want a relationship with FIFA. I guess you have two
choices: Get Alex to comply with FIFA's demands while you are still a
member. Or leave Alex. Since you are already a member, you can
influence Alex. After that, you have to deal with the rest of us who
are not USFF members and risk those "cease and desist" letters and
being sued.

--- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Minenno"
<pminenno@...> wrote:
>
> Have you been reading my emails?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of psb7508
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:27 AM
> To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: March 06 Board minutes
>
>
>
> Alex has a copy. It seems a reasonable request, as you are a member
> to ask your leadership for a copy. This does impact all members of
> USFF and you and your players, coaches, etc relationship with FIFA.
> Do you want a relationship with FIFA? Do you want your players to
> qualify for a US National Team and be able to compete internationally
> with other FIFA teams?
>
> --- In futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Minenno"
> <pminenno@> wrote:
> >
> > That's good information, your great at finding that stuff, what
> about the
> > FIFA letter to USFF, can you get a copy of that?
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:futsalonline_
<mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of psb7508
> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:36 AM
> > To: futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] March 06 Board minutes
> >
> >
> >
> > Alex refused to comply with FIFA's request. This started it all off.
> >
> > http://images.
> >
> <http://images.
>
<http://images.ussoccer.com/Documents/cms/ussf/LasVegasMinutes_3-10-6.pdf>
> ussoccer.com/Documents/cms/ussf/LasVegasMinutes_3-10-6.pdf>
> > ussoccer.com/Documents/cms/ussf/LasVegasMinutes_3-10-6.pdf
> >
>

Alex has a copy. It seems a reasonable request, as you are a member
to ask your leadership for a copy. This does impact all members of
USFF and you and your players, coaches, etc relationship with FIFA.
Do you want a relationship with FIFA? Do you want your players to
qualify for a US National Team and be able to compete internationally
with other FIFA teams?

--- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Minenno"
<pminenno@...> wrote:
>
> That's good information, your great at finding that stuff, what
about the
> FIFA letter to USFF, can you get a copy of that?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of psb7508
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:36 AM
> To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] March 06 Board minutes
>
>
>
> Alex refused to comply with FIFA's request. This started it all off.
>
> http://images.
>
<http://images.ussoccer.com/Documents/cms/ussf/LasVegasMinutes_3-10-6.pdf>
> ussoccer.com/Documents/cms/ussf/LasVegasMinutes_3-10-6.pdf
>

Alex refused to comply with FIFA's request. This started it all off.

http://images.ussoccer.com/Documents/cms/ussf/LasVegasMinutes_3-10-6.pdf

Maybe someday you will hear it from someone else. I debated whether
to "break" the story. I felt that so many people in the United States
have worked long and hard to support the sport of futsal, it was there
right to know the situation. I find it odd that with such an
important issue that USFF has not informed its membership of the
situation. They probably will pretty soon. Then you will know.

--- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Minenno"
<pminenno@...> wrote:
>
> It would be nice if they were, then we could know what really was
said and
> what is going to happen.
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of psb7508
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:37 AM
> To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
>
>
>
> The minutes are not for public consumption.
>
> --- In futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Minenno"
> <pminenno@> wrote:
> >
> > Now, how about those minutes?
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:futsalonline_
<mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim sheldon
> > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 5:35 AM
> > To: futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, if the FIFA-related national organization in my country was
> corrupt.
> > AMF was the original world governing body for futsal and has a
right to
> > exist, and in some countries it's very beneficial to have a choice of
> > affiliation.
> >
> > Peter Minenno <pminenno@> wrote:
> >
> > Would you leave FIFA for them? Yes, or no?
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:futsalonline_
<mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim sheldon
> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:58 PM
> > To: futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
> >
> > They have a strong appeal as an alternative if the futsal federation
> in a
> > country is corrupt and inefficient.
> >
> > Peter Minenno <pminenno@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:futsalonline_
<mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim sheldon
> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:48 AM
> > To: futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
> >
> > Respect yes, but would you affiliate with them over FIFA?
> >
> > That was my point! Would you want your players to play in their World
> > Championships instead of FIFA's?
> >
> > So, if USFF gets kicked out of FIFA, then in a few years people
like me
> > won't know their initials either.
> >
> > If you're referring to the Asociación Mundial de Fútbol de Salón
> (AMF), I've
> > definitely heard of that. It's an outgrowth of the Federacao
> Internationale
> > de Futebol de Salao (FIFUSA), the original world governing body of
> Futsal.
> > João Havelange was the original president of FIFUSA. The current
AMF has
> > affiliated organizations through Europe and North and South
America and
> > definitely has my respect.
> >
> >
> > Peter Minenno <pminenno@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have a copy of that letter or does anyone have the
> minutes to
> > these meetings between the USSF & the USFF?
> >
> > FIFA will decide and all who want to be a part of FIFA better
> comply, have
> > you ever heard of the AFM?
> >
> > Get my point? No one wants to be affiliated with them but a few South
> > American Futsal groups and that is about all.
> >
> > Check out the Largest Futsal (specific) Facility in the USA! Score
Goal,
> > Inc. @ the Salt Palace Convention Center, SLC, UT!
> >
> > www.score-goal. <http://www.score- <http://www.score-goal.com/>
goal.com/>
> com we will have our
> 3rd annual
> > President's Day Futsal Cup 2-17-19, 2007. Only one other Futsal
> Tournament
> > in this country
> >
> > Have more then 4-5 courts under one roof that I know of! Talk
about the
> > Futsal Mecca of America! It is Score Goal no hardwood floors here, no
> > multiple lines on these floors!
> >
> > We look like a Futsal and we are Futsal (specific®) lol only
> kidding! Check
> > us out and come play Futsal and ski the best snow on the earth in the
> > Olympic City of Salt Lake City, UT!
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:futsalonline_
<mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of psb7508
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:44 PM
> > To: futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
> >
> > I know a lot of people who have put in a lot of effort to develop the
> > sport of futsal in this country without concern as to who might
> > ultimately benefit financially from such work. When I realized that
> > the futsal name was trademarked it became apparent to me that my
> > mission to develop the sport was not necessarily in alignment with the
> > interests of the USFF leadership.
> >
> > The USFF membership now has a fundamental question in front of it:
> >
> > Do you want to be a part of FIFA or not? If you want to continue
> > enjoying your affiliation with FIFA, you must comply with the terms
> > set forth in the letter from US Soccer to USFF. Per the USFF bylaws
> > each futsal state association has voting rights. It would make sense
> > to call an emergency meeting and vote as to what course of action you
> > want to take. It is the members choice and not Alex's as to what the
> > USFF's response should be.
> >
> > --- In futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > newsgroup@yahoogrou <mailto:newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,
> "futsalinsider"
> > <futsalinsider@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Let me add a couple more cents
> > >
> > > Way back when the USFF was USMF (Minisoccer) and it was affiliated
> > > to Federacao Internacional de Futebol de Salao "FIFUSA", the term
> > > futsal was used sporadically because in many countries the sport
was
> > > named differently; Futebol de Salao, Futbol Sala, fubolito, and so
> > > on. In the US the sport was named Minisoccer.
> > >
> > > In the mid to late 80s FIFA decided that it was going to compete
> > > with FIFUSA so it created the new sport of "5 a Side". At this
> > > point FIFUSA was much stronger with affiliated federations through
> > > out the world. In order for FIFA to take over the sport of soccer
> > > played indoors it decided to offer FIFUSA and its members a chance
> > > to affiliate to FIFA. So, the deal was for FIFUSA to affiliate to
> > > FIFA and retain control of the sport and structure. This was a good
> > > deal because it would put the current FIFUSA country federations on
> > > par with the current FIFA federations (USMF = US Soccer).
> > > Some FIFUSA federations saw the wisdom of affiliation to the
biggest
> > > sports federation on the planet but others did not. This is when
> > > Mr. Alex Para came into prominence. He emmediatelly aligned with
> > > the Pro-FIFA camp and started lobbying the other FIFUSA federations
> > > to accept the deal.
> > >
> > > Well, as we all know, the deal was rejected by FIFUSA as a whole.
> > > Now FIFA decided to target the local FIFUSA Pro-FIFA federations
but
> > > the deal changed, instead of direct affiliation to FIFA, now it had
> > > to affiliate to their local FIFA federations (FIFA „² US Soccer „²
> > > USMF).
> > >
> > > FIFA recognized Mr. Alex Para's efforts and appointed him to the
> > > FIFA Futsal Committee. In one of the initial meetings the committee
> > > was tasked to come up with the name of the sport world wide. As you
> > > can imagine this was not an easy decision because many federations
> > > had already spent a lot of efforts in branding their name. None the
> > > less the committee settled on FUTSAL. By the way the Canadian folks
> > > where very upset because in Canada Futsal was the name of a Foot
> > > Odor powder :-)
> > >
> > > Armed with this insider information Mr. Alex Para filed the
> > > trademark. This was an insurance policy because now USFF was
> > > affiliated to US Soccer and had to follow and respect US Soccer
> > > Bylaws. At the time US Soccer did not care about Futsal but Mr.
> > > Alex Para knew that some day that would change and the only way
that
> > > he could remain in a power position was to have that insurance
> > > policy.
> > >
> > > I don¡¦t think that anyone has any issue with protecting a well
known
> > > brand that took a lot of money and effort to develop, what many
have
> > > an issue is the use of such trademark to impede the development of
> > > the sport.
> > > Can you imagine if the words Basketball or Baseball were
> > > trademarked? No newspaper, TV, radio, etc could ever use the terms
> > > without having to pay royalties to the trademark holder. Would any
> > > of these sports ever be as popular as they are today?
> > >
> > > Let¡¦s take the case in this current tread: USFF has sent a letter
> > > to Nike to tell them to stop the use of their trademark ¡§Futsal¡¨.
> > > From where we stand this is a bonehead move because a company like
> > > Nike and it¡¦s marketing power could only bring the betterment
to the
> > > sport of futsal.
> > > From the USFF federation point of view this may also be the case
but
> > > it does not bring any direct revenues to USFF.
> > >
> > > Could you envision a professional futsal league without the backing
> > > of such large companies?
> > >
> > > Can you imagine the increased visibility and participation if we
did
> > > have such a professional league?
> > >
> > > Can you imagine the recurring revenue stream from such increased
> > > participation to the local USFF affiliated leagues? (More, better
> > > facilities, training, equipment, etc)
> > >
> > > For every registration USFF gets $5.00 dollars.
> > >
> > > Can you imagine a world without such restrictions on the sport of
> > > Futsal in US?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Zacbenlu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In futsalonline_
<mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > newsgroup@yahoogrou <mailto:newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,
"psb7508"
>
> > > <psb7508@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There is a big difference between trademarking the phrase "Pure"
> > > Speed
> > > > Training! and the sport of futsal. Almost every corporate name in
> > > > America does it. However, its one thing to trademark a phrase that
> > > > includes several words and quite another to trademark the word
> > > > "speed". No one has a problem with trademarking "United States
> > > Futsal
> > > > Federation". Its when someone trademarks the word "futsal" that
> > > > people have a problem.
> > > >
> > > > --- In futsalonline_
> <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > newsgroup@yahoogrou <mailto:newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,
"Peter
> Minenno"
> > > > <pminenno@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Every logo and trade name I see now of days has a trade mark.
> > > There
> > > > is a guy
> > > > > in Utah and he trade marked the word "PURE" Speed Training!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sand Soccer people in the USA have a trade mark on that
> > > name\sport
> > > > as well
> > > > > right or wrong it is there name.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > > From: futsalonline_
> <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > newsgroup@yahoogrou <mailto:newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
> > > > > [mailto:futsalonline_
> > <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogrou <mailto:newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com]
> > On Behalf Of tim
> > > sheldon
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:28 AM
> > > > > To: newsgroup futsalonline
> > > > > Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Fwd: Futsal.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Counterpoint from a reader:
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephanie Luchanko <Steph_l@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "Stephanie Luchanko" <Steph_l@>
> > > > > To: <timsheldon99@>
> > > > > Subject: Futsal.
> > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:15:10 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > > If no one respects the term Futsal and its copywrite protection
> > > > (which was
> > > > > issued by the US Government), why should other trademarks and
> > > > copywrites be
> > > > > respected. I find it hypocritical that there is copywrite of
the
> > > name
> > > > > "Super F" league, when the organizers of this league liberally
> > > use
> > > > the term
> > > > > Futsal without regard to the governing body. I told my
husband to
> > > > start a
> > > > > football super "F" league. It's a great name, and in my
opionion
> > > the
> > > > Super
> > > > > F league has no rights to ask for protection when they violate
> > > the
> > > > concept
> > > > > themselves.
> > > > >
> > > > > Write or wrong, the world Futsal is protected.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephanie
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

The minutes are not for public consumption.

--- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Minenno"
<pminenno@...> wrote:
>
> Now, how about those minutes?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim sheldon
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 5:35 AM
> To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
>
>
>
> Yes, if the FIFA-related national organization in my country was
corrupt.
> AMF was the original world governing body for futsal and has a right to
> exist, and in some countries it's very beneficial to have a choice of
> affiliation.
>
> Peter Minenno <pminenno@...> wrote:
>
> Would you leave FIFA for them? Yes, or no?
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim sheldon
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:58 PM
> To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
>
> They have a strong appeal as an alternative if the futsal federation
in a
> country is corrupt and inefficient.
>
> Peter Minenno <pminenno@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim sheldon
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:48 AM
> To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
>
> Respect yes, but would you affiliate with them over FIFA?
>
> That was my point! Would you want your players to play in their World
> Championships instead of FIFA's?
>
> So, if USFF gets kicked out of FIFA, then in a few years people like me
> won't know their initials either.
>
> If you're referring to the Asociación Mundial de Fútbol de Salón
(AMF), I've
> definitely heard of that. It's an outgrowth of the Federacao
Internationale
> de Futebol de Salao (FIFUSA), the original world governing body of
Futsal.
> João Havelange was the original president of FIFUSA. The current AMF has
> affiliated organizations through Europe and North and South America and
> definitely has my respect.
>
>
> Peter Minenno <pminenno@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a copy of that letter or does anyone have the
minutes to
> these meetings between the USSF & the USFF?
>
> FIFA will decide and all who want to be a part of FIFA better
comply, have
> you ever heard of the AFM?
>
> Get my point? No one wants to be affiliated with them but a few South
> American Futsal groups and that is about all.
>
> Check out the Largest Futsal (specific) Facility in the USA! Score Goal,
> Inc. @ the Salt Palace Convention Center, SLC, UT!
>
> www.score-goal. <http://www.score-goal.com/> com we will have our
3rd annual
> President's Day Futsal Cup 2-17-19, 2007. Only one other Futsal
Tournament
> in this country
>
> Have more then 4-5 courts under one roof that I know of! Talk about the
> Futsal Mecca of America! It is Score Goal no hardwood floors here, no
> multiple lines on these floors!
>
> We look like a Futsal and we are Futsal (specific®) lol only
kidding! Check
> us out and come play Futsal and ski the best snow on the earth in the
> Olympic City of Salt Lake City, UT!
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of psb7508
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:44 PM
> To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
>
> I know a lot of people who have put in a lot of effort to develop the
> sport of futsal in this country without concern as to who might
> ultimately benefit financially from such work. When I realized that
> the futsal name was trademarked it became apparent to me that my
> mission to develop the sport was not necessarily in alignment with the
> interests of the USFF leadership.
>
> The USFF membership now has a fundamental question in front of it:
>
> Do you want to be a part of FIFA or not? If you want to continue
> enjoying your affiliation with FIFA, you must comply with the terms
> set forth in the letter from US Soccer to USFF. Per the USFF bylaws
> each futsal state association has voting rights. It would make sense
> to call an emergency meeting and vote as to what course of action you
> want to take. It is the members choice and not Alex's as to what the
> USFF's response should be.
>
> --- In futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "futsalinsider"
> <futsalinsider@> wrote:
> >
> > Let me add a couple more cents
> >
> > Way back when the USFF was USMF (Minisoccer) and it was affiliated
> > to Federacao Internacional de Futebol de Salao "FIFUSA", the term
> > futsal was used sporadically because in many countries the sport was
> > named differently; Futebol de Salao, Futbol Sala, fubolito, and so
> > on. In the US the sport was named Minisoccer.
> >
> > In the mid to late 80s FIFA decided that it was going to compete
> > with FIFUSA so it created the new sport of "5 a Side". At this
> > point FIFUSA was much stronger with affiliated federations through
> > out the world. In order for FIFA to take over the sport of soccer
> > played indoors it decided to offer FIFUSA and its members a chance
> > to affiliate to FIFA. So, the deal was for FIFUSA to affiliate to
> > FIFA and retain control of the sport and structure. This was a good
> > deal because it would put the current FIFUSA country federations on
> > par with the current FIFA federations (USMF = US Soccer).
> > Some FIFUSA federations saw the wisdom of affiliation to the biggest
> > sports federation on the planet but others did not. This is when
> > Mr. Alex Para came into prominence. He emmediatelly aligned with
> > the Pro-FIFA camp and started lobbying the other FIFUSA federations
> > to accept the deal.
> >
> > Well, as we all know, the deal was rejected by FIFUSA as a whole.
> > Now FIFA decided to target the local FIFUSA Pro-FIFA federations but
> > the deal changed, instead of direct affiliation to FIFA, now it had
> > to affiliate to their local FIFA federations (FIFA „² US Soccer „²
> > USMF).
> >
> > FIFA recognized Mr. Alex Para's efforts and appointed him to the
> > FIFA Futsal Committee. In one of the initial meetings the committee
> > was tasked to come up with the name of the sport world wide. As you
> > can imagine this was not an easy decision because many federations
> > had already spent a lot of efforts in branding their name. None the
> > less the committee settled on FUTSAL. By the way the Canadian folks
> > where very upset because in Canada Futsal was the name of a Foot
> > Odor powder :-)
> >
> > Armed with this insider information Mr. Alex Para filed the
> > trademark. This was an insurance policy because now USFF was
> > affiliated to US Soccer and had to follow and respect US Soccer
> > Bylaws. At the time US Soccer did not care about Futsal but Mr.
> > Alex Para knew that some day that would change and the only way that
> > he could remain in a power position was to have that insurance
> > policy.
> >
> > I don¡¦t think that anyone has any issue with protecting a well known
> > brand that took a lot of money and effort to develop, what many have
> > an issue is the use of such trademark to impede the development of
> > the sport.
> > Can you imagine if the words Basketball or Baseball were
> > trademarked? No newspaper, TV, radio, etc could ever use the terms
> > without having to pay royalties to the trademark holder. Would any
> > of these sports ever be as popular as they are today?
> >
> > Let¡¦s take the case in this current tread: USFF has sent a letter
> > to Nike to tell them to stop the use of their trademark ¡§Futsal¡¨.
> > From where we stand this is a bonehead move because a company like
> > Nike and it¡¦s marketing power could only bring the betterment to the
> > sport of futsal.
> > From the USFF federation point of view this may also be the case but
> > it does not bring any direct revenues to USFF.
> >
> > Could you envision a professional futsal league without the backing
> > of such large companies?
> >
> > Can you imagine the increased visibility and participation if we did
> > have such a professional league?
> >
> > Can you imagine the recurring revenue stream from such increased
> > participation to the local USFF affiliated leagues? (More, better
> > facilities, training, equipment, etc)
> >
> > For every registration USFF gets $5.00 dollars.
> >
> > Can you imagine a world without such restrictions on the sport of
> > Futsal in US?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Zacbenlu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In futsalonline_ <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "psb7508"
> > <psb7508@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There is a big difference between trademarking the phrase "Pure"
> > Speed
> > > Training! and the sport of futsal. Almost every corporate name in
> > > America does it. However, its one thing to trademark a phrase that
> > > includes several words and quite another to trademark the word
> > > "speed". No one has a problem with trademarking "United States
> > Futsal
> > > Federation". Its when someone trademarks the word "futsal" that
> > > people have a problem.
> > >
> > > --- In futsalonline_
<mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Minenno"
> > > <pminenno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Every logo and trade name I see now of days has a trade mark.
> > There
> > > is a guy
> > > > in Utah and he trade marked the word "PURE" Speed Training!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sand Soccer people in the USA have a trade mark on that
> > name\sport
> > > as well
> > > > right or wrong it is there name.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: futsalonline_
<mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:futsalonline_
> <mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
newsgroup@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of tim
> > sheldon
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:28 AM
> > > > To: newsgroup futsalonline
> > > > Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Fwd: Futsal.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Counterpoint from a reader:
> > > >
> > > > Stephanie Luchanko <Steph_l@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: "Stephanie Luchanko" <Steph_l@>
> > > > To: <timsheldon99@>
> > > > Subject: Futsal.
> > > > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:15:10 -0500
> > > >
> > > > If no one respects the term Futsal and its copywrite protection
> > > (which was
> > > > issued by the US Government), why should other trademarks and
> > > copywrites be
> > > > respected. I find it hypocritical that there is copywrite of the
> > name
> > > > "Super F" league, when the organizers of this league liberally
> > use
> > > the term
> > > > Futsal without regard to the governing body. I told my husband to
> > > start a
> > > > football super "F" league. It's a great name, and in my opionion
> > the
> > > Super
> > > > F league has no rights to ask for protection when they violate
> > the
> > > concept
> > > > themselves.
> > > >
> > > > Write or wrong, the world Futsal is protected.
> > > >
> > > > Stephanie
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Not to put too fine a point on it. Their is a FIFA-related national
organization in the United States that is in good standing with US
Soccer and hosts the largest futsal tournament in the United States-
The Super F League.

USFF can choose the AMF route. Its members still can prevail upon
USFF to mend fences with US Soccer to avoid this. I think it is good
to offer choices to everyone. I don't believe that there should just
be one choice offered and neither does US Soccer and FIFA.

--- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, tim sheldon
<timsheldon99@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, if the FIFA-related national organization in my country was
corrupt. AMF was the original world governing body for futsal and has
a right to exist, and in some countries it's very beneficial to have a
choice of affiliation.
>
> Peter Minenno <pminenno@...> wrote: Would you leave
FIFA for them? Yes, or no?
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim sheldon
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:58 PM
> To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
>
>
> They have a strong appeal as an alternative if the futsal
federation in a country is corrupt and inefficient.
>
> Peter Minenno <pminenno@...> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim sheldon
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:48 AM
> To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
>
>
> Respect yes, but would you affiliate with them over FIFA?
>
> That was my point! Would you want your players to play in their
World Championships instead of FIFA's?
>
> So, if USFF gets kicked out of FIFA, then in a few years people
like me won't know their initials either.
>
> If you're referring to the Asociación Mundial de Fútbol de Salón
(AMF), I've definitely heard of that. It's an outgrowth of the
Federacao Internationale de Futebol de Salao (FIFUSA), the original
world governing body of Futsal. João Havelange was the original
president of FIFUSA. The current AMF has affiliated organizations
through Europe and North and South America and definitely has my respect.
>
>
>
> Peter Minenno <pminenno@...> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of that letter or does anyone
have the minutes to these meetings between the USSF & the USFF?
>
>
> FIFA will decide and all who want to be a part of FIFA better
comply, have you ever heard of the AFM?
>
>
> Get my point? No one wants to be affiliated with them but a
few South American Futsal groups and that is about all.
>
>
> Check out the Largest Futsal (specific) Facility in the USA!
Score Goal, Inc. @ the Salt Palace Convention Center, SLC, UT!
>
>
> www.score-goal.com we will have our 3rd annual President's Day
Futsal Cup 2-17-19, 2007. Only one other Futsal Tournament in this
country
>
>
> Have more then 4-5 courts under one roof that I know of! Talk
about the Futsal Mecca of America! It is Score Goal no hardwood floors
here, no multiple lines on these floors!
>
>
> We look like a Futsal and we are Futsal (specific®) lol only
kidding! Check us out and come play Futsal and ski the best snow on
the earth in the Olympic City of Salt Lake City, UT!
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of psb7508
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:44 PM
> To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.
>
>
>
> I know a lot of people who have put in a lot of effort
to develop the
> sport of futsal in this country without concern as to who might
> ultimately benefit financially from such work. When I realized that
> the futsal name was trademarked it became apparent to me that my
> mission to develop the sport was not necessarily in alignment with the
> interests of the USFF leadership.
>
> The USFF membership now has a fundamental question in front of it:
>
> Do you want to be a part of FIFA or not? If you want to continue
> enjoying your affiliation with FIFA, you must comply with the terms
> set forth in the letter from US Soccer to USFF. Per the USFF bylaws
> each futsal state association has voting rights. It would make sense
> to call an emergency meeting and vote as to what course of action you
> want to take. It is the members choice and not Alex's as to what the
> USFF's response should be.
>
> --- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "futsalinsider"
> <futsalinsider@> wrote:
> >
> > Let me add a couple more cents
> >
> > Way back when the USFF was USMF (Minisoccer) and it was affiliated
> > to Federacao Internacional de Futebol de Salao "FIFUSA", the term
> > futsal was used sporadically because in many countries the sport was
> > named differently; Futebol de Salao, Futbol Sala, fubolito, and so
> > on. In the US the sport was named Minisoccer.
> >
> > In the mid to late 80s FIFA decided that it was going to compete
> > with FIFUSA so it created the new sport of "5 a Side". At this
> > point FIFUSA was much stronger with affiliated federations through
> > out the world. In order for FIFA to take over the sport of soccer
> > played indoors it decided to offer FIFUSA and its members a chance
> > to affiliate to FIFA. So, the deal was for FIFUSA to affiliate to
> > FIFA and retain control of the sport and structure. This was a good
> > deal because it would put the current FIFUSA country federations on
> > par with the current FIFA federations (USMF = US Soccer).
> > Some FIFUSA federations saw the wisdom of affiliation to the biggest
> > sports federation on the planet but others did not. This is when
> > Mr. Alex Para came into prominence. He emmediatelly aligned with
> > the Pro-FIFA camp and started lobbying the other FIFUSA federations
> > to accept the deal.
> >
> > Well, as we all know, the deal was rejected by FIFUSA as a whole.
> > Now FIFA decided to target the local FIFUSA Pro-FIFA federations but
> > the deal changed, instead of direct affiliation to FIFA, now it had
> > to affiliate to their local FIFA federations (FIFA „² US Soccer „²
> > USMF).
> >
> > FIFA recognized Mr. Alex Para's efforts and appointed him to the
> > FIFA Futsal Committee. In one of the initial meetings the committee
> > was tasked to come up with the name of the sport world wide. As you
> > can imagine this was not an easy decision because many federations
> > had already spent a lot of efforts in branding their name. None the
> > less the committee settled on FUTSAL. By the way the Canadian folks
> > where very upset because in Canada Futsal was the name of a Foot
> > Odor powder :-)
> >
> > Armed with this insider information Mr. Alex Para filed the
> > trademark. This was an insurance policy because now USFF was
> > affiliated to US Soccer and had to follow and respect US Soccer
> > Bylaws. At the time US Soccer did not care about Futsal but Mr.
> > Alex Para knew that some day that would change and the only way that
> > he could remain in a power position was to have that insurance
> > policy.
> >
> > I don¡¦t think that anyone has any issue with protecting a well known
> > brand that took a lot of money and effort to develop, what many have
> > an issue is the use of such trademark to impede the development of
> > the sport.
> > Can you imagine if the words Basketball or Baseball were
> > trademarked? No newspaper, TV, radio, etc could ever use the terms
> > without having to pay royalties to the trademark holder. Would any
> > of these sports ever be as popular as they are today?
> >
> > Let¡¦s take the case in this current tread: USFF has sent a letter
> > to Nike to tell them to stop the use of their trademark ¡§Futsal¡¨.
> > From where we stand this is a bonehead move because a company like
> > Nike and it¡¦s marketing power could only bring the betterment to the
> > sport of futsal.
> > From the USFF federation point of view this may also be the case but
> > it does not bring any direct revenues to USFF.
> >
> > Could you envision a professional futsal league without the backing
> > of such large companies?
> >
> > Can you imagine the increased visibility and participation if we did
> > have such a professional league?
> >
> > Can you imagine the recurring revenue stream from such increased
> > participation to the local USFF affiliated leagues? (More, better
> > facilities, training, equipment, etc)
> >
> > For every registration USFF gets $5.00 dollars.
> >
> > Can you imagine a world without such restrictions on the sport of
> > Futsal in US?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Zacbenlu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "psb7508"
> > <psb7508@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There is a big difference between trademarking the phrase "Pure"
> > Speed
> > > Training! and the sport of futsal. Almost every corporate name in
> > > America does it. However, its one thing to trademark a phrase that
> > > includes several words and quite another to trademark the word
> > > "speed". No one has a problem with trademarking "United States
> > Futsal
> > > Federation". Its when someone trademarks the word "futsal" that
> > > people have a problem.
> > >
> > > --- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Minenno"
> > > <pminenno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Every logo and trade name I see now of days has a trade mark.
> > There
> > > is a guy
> > > > in Utah and he trade marked the word "PURE" Speed Training!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sand Soccer people in the USA have a trade mark on that
> > name\sport
> > > as well
> > > > right or wrong it is there name.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim
> > sheldon
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:28 AM
> > > > To: newsgroup futsalonline
> > > > Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Fwd: Futsal.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Counterpoint from a reader:
> > > >
> > > > Stephanie Luchanko <Steph_l@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: "Stephanie Luchanko" <Steph_l@>
> > > > To: <timsheldon99@>
> > > > Subject: Futsal.
> > > > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:15:10 -0500
> > > >
> > > > If no one respects the term Futsal and its copywrite protection
> > > (which was
> > > > issued by the US Government), why should other trademarks and
> > > copywrites be
> > > > respected. I find it hypocritical that there is copywrite of the
> > name
> > > > "Super F" league, when the organizers of this league liberally
> > use
> > > the term
> > > > Futsal without regard to the governing body. I told my husband to
> > > start a
> > > > football super "F" league. It's a great name, and in my opionion
> > the
> > > Super
> > > > F league has no rights to ask for protection when they violate
> > the
> > > concept
> > > > themselves.
> > > >
> > > > Write or wrong, the world Futsal is protected.
> > > >
> > > > Stephanie
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Yes, if the FIFA-related national organization in my country was corrupt. AMF was the original world governing body for futsal and has a right to exist, and in some countries it's very beneficial to have a choice of affiliation.

Peter Minenno <pminenno@comcast.net> wrote:

Would you leave FIFA for them? Yes, or no?

---

From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim sheldon
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:58 PM
To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.

They have a strong appeal as an alternative if the futsal federation in a country is corrupt and inefficient.

Peter Minenno <pminenno@comcast.net> wrote:

---

From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim sheldon
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:48 AM
To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.

Respect yes, but would you affiliate with them over FIFA?

That was my point!  Would you want your players to play in their World Championships instead of FIFA’s?

So, if USFF gets kicked out of FIFA, then in a few years people like me won’t know their initials either.

If you're referring to the Asociación Mundial de Fútbol de Salón (AMF), I've definitely heard of that. It's an outgrowth of the Federacao Internationale de Futebol de Salao (FIFUSA), the original world governing body of Futsal. João Havelange was the original president of FIFUSA. The current AMF has affiliated organizations through Europe and North and South America and definitely has my respect.

Peter Minenno <pminenno@comcast.net> wrote:

Does anyone have a copy of that letter or does anyone have the minutes to these meetings between the USSF & the USFF?

FIFA will decide and all who want to be a part of FIFA better comply, have you ever heard of the AFM?

Get my point? No one wants to be affiliated with them but a few South American Futsal groups and that is about all.

Check out the Largest Futsal (specific) Facility in the USA! Score Goal, Inc. @ the Salt Palace Convention Center, SLC, UT!

www.score-goal.com we will have our 3^rd annual President’s Day Futsal Cup 2-17-19, 2007. Only one other Futsal Tournament in this country

Have more then 4-5 courts under one roof that I know of! Talk about the Futsal Mecca of America! It is Score Goal no hardwood floors here, no multiple lines on these floors!

We look like a Futsal and we are Futsal (specific®) lol only kidding! Check us out and come play Futsal and ski the best snow on the earth in the Olympic City of Salt Lake City, UT!

---

From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of psb7508
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:44 PM
To: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Re: Fwd: Futsal.

I know a lot of people who have put in a lot of effort to develop the
sport of futsal in this country without concern as to who might
ultimately benefit financially from such work. When I realized that
the futsal name was trademarked it became apparent to me that my
mission to develop the sport was not necessarily in alignment with the
interests of the USFF leadership.

The USFF membership now has a fundamental question in front of it:

Do you want to be a part of FIFA or not? If you want to continue
enjoying your affiliation with FIFA, you must comply with the terms
set forth in the letter from US Soccer to USFF. Per the USFF bylaws
each futsal state association has voting rights. It would make sense
to call an emergency meeting and vote as to what course of action you
want to take. It is the members choice and not Alex's as to what the
USFF's response should be.

--- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "futsalinsider"
<futsalinsider@...> wrote:
>
> Let me add a couple more cents
>
> Way back when the USFF was USMF (Minisoccer) and it was affiliated
> to Federacao Internacional de Futebol de Salao "FIFUSA", the term
> futsal was used sporadically because in many countries the sport was
> named differently; Futebol de Salao, Futbol Sala, fubolito, and so
> on. In the US the sport was named Minisoccer.
>
> In the mid to late 80s FIFA decided that it was going to compete
> with FIFUSA so it created the new sport of "5 a Side". At this
> point FIFUSA was much stronger with affiliated federations through
> out the world. In order for FIFA to take over the sport of soccer
> played indoors it decided to offer FIFUSA and its members a chance
> to affiliate to FIFA. So, the deal was for FIFUSA to affiliate to
> FIFA and retain control of the sport and structure. This was a good
> deal because it would put the current FIFUSA country federations on
> par with the current FIFA federations (USMF = US Soccer).
> Some FIFUSA federations saw the wisdom of affiliation to the biggest
> sports federation on the planet but others did not. This is when
> Mr. Alex Para came into prominence. He emmediatelly aligned with
> the Pro-FIFA camp and started lobbying the other FIFUSA federations
> to accept the deal.
>
> Well, as we all know, the deal was rejected by FIFUSA as a whole.
> Now FIFA decided to target the local FIFUSA Pro-FIFA federations but
> the deal changed, instead of direct affiliation to FIFA, now it had
> to affiliate to their local FIFA federations (FIFA „² US Soccer „²
> USMF).
>
> FIFA recognized Mr. Alex Para's efforts and appointed him to the
> FIFA Futsal Committee. In one of the initial meetings the committee
> was tasked to come up with the name of the sport world wide. As you
> can imagine this was not an easy decision because many federations
> had already spent a lot of efforts in branding their name. None the
> less the committee settled on FUTSAL. By the way the Canadian folks
> where very upset because in Canada Futsal was the name of a Foot
> Odor powder :-)
>
> Armed with this insider information Mr. Alex Para filed the
> trademark. This was an insurance policy because now USFF was
> affiliated to US Soccer and had to follow and respect US Soccer
> Bylaws. At the time US Soccer did not care about Futsal but Mr.
> Alex Para knew that some day that would change and the only way that
> he could remain in a power position was to have that insurance
> policy.
>
> I don¡¦t think that anyone has any issue with protecting a well known
> brand that took a lot of money and effort to develop, what many have
> an issue is the use of such trademark to impede the development of
> the sport.
> Can you imagine if the words Basketball or Baseball were
> trademarked? No newspaper, TV, radio, etc could ever use the terms
> without having to pay royalties to the trademark holder. Would any
> of these sports ever be as popular as they are today?
>
> Let¡¦s take the case in this current tread: USFF has sent a letter
> to Nike to tell them to stop the use of their trademark ¡§Futsal¡¨.
> From where we stand this is a bonehead move because a company like
> Nike and it¡¦s marketing power could only bring the betterment to the
> sport of futsal.
> From the USFF federation point of view this may also be the case but
> it does not bring any direct revenues to USFF.
>
> Could you envision a professional futsal league without the backing
> of such large companies?
>
> Can you imagine the increased visibility and participation if we did
> have such a professional league?
>
> Can you imagine the recurring revenue stream from such increased
> participation to the local USFF affiliated leagues? (More, better
> facilities, training, equipment, etc)
>
> For every registration USFF gets $5.00 dollars.
>
> Can you imagine a world without such restrictions on the sport of
> Futsal in US?
>
> Cheers,
> Zacbenlu
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "psb7508"
> <psb7508@> wrote:
> >
> > There is a big difference between trademarking the phrase "Pure"
> Speed
> > Training! and the sport of futsal. Almost every corporate name in
> > America does it. However, its one thing to trademark a phrase that
> > includes several words and quite another to trademark the word
> > "speed". No one has a problem with trademarking "United States
> Futsal
> > Federation". Its when someone trademarks the word "futsal" that
> > people have a problem.
> >
> > --- In futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Minenno"
> > <pminenno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Every logo and trade name I see now of days has a trade mark.
> There
> > is a guy
> > > in Utah and he trade marked the word "PURE" Speed Training!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sand Soccer people in the USA have a trade mark on that
> name\sport
> > as well
> > > right or wrong it is there name.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:futsalonline_newsgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim
> sheldon
> > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:28 AM
> > > To: newsgroup futsalonline
> > > Subject: [futsalonline_newsgroup] Fwd: Futsal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Counterpoint from a reader:
> > >
> > > Stephanie Luchanko <Steph_l@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: "Stephanie Luchanko" <Steph_l@>
> > > To: <timsheldon99@>
> > > Subject: Futsal.
> > > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:15:10 -0500
> > >
> > > If no one respects the term Futsal and its copywrite protection
> > (which was
> > > issued by the US Government), why should other trademarks and
> > copywrites be
> > > respected. I find it hypocritical that there is copywrite of the
> name
> > > "Super F" league, when the organizers of this league liberally
> use
> > the term
> > > Futsal without regard to the governing body. I told my husband to
> > start a
> > > football super "F" league. It's a great name, and in my opionion
> the
> > Super
> > > F league has no rights to ask for protection when they violate
> the
> > concept
> > > themselves.
> > >
> > > Write or wrong, the world Futsal is protected.
> > >
> > > Stephanie
> > >
> >
>