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Date: Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:35 pm
Subject: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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This story was sent to you by: sean



maybe at the end of his career we can bring him back for one of those 1 day

deals so hec can retire as a member of the Red Sox



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Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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By PAUL DOYLE

The Hartford Courant



July 7 2009



BOSTON -- The applause began as he walked toward home plate leading off the

second inning for the Oakland Athletics.



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From: Sean Wilson <scoop1981@...>
Date: Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:45 pm
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while I don't see Nomar finishing his career with the Red Sox, I was glad to see the Fenway crowd give Nomar the warm reception he deserves.

Nomar was the last of the stand-alone stars that got blamed for every failure. with his departure and the subsequent WS championship, we finally learned it takes a team to win a title, not a star or two. Ask Yaz, Clemens, etc. It wasn't Nomar's fault the Sox had to start Kent Merker and a hurt Saberhagen against the Yankees in the playoffs.

Good luck Nomar.

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Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 4:35 PM

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maybe at the end of his career we can bring him back for one of those 1 day deals so hec can retire as a member of the Red Sox

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Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
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By PAUL DOYLE
The Hartford Courant

July 7 2009

BOSTON -- The applause began as he walked toward home plate leading off the second inning for the Oakland Athletics.

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.courant. com/sports/ baseball/ red-sox/hc- nomar0707. artjul07, 0,384266. story

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#18365

From: go.john99
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites.   The talk shows were still trying to

badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game

comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.

The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick

downfall, or was it just injuries?   I still appreciate all he did, including

the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

--- In friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com, Sean Wilson <scoop1981@...> wrote:

>

> while I don't see Nomar finishing his career with the Red Sox, I was glad to

see the Fenway crowd give Nomar the warm reception he deserves.

> �

> Nomar was the last of the stand-alone stars that got blamed for every failure.

with his departure and the subsequent WS championship, we finally learned it

takes a team to win a title, not a star or two. Ask Yaz, Clemens, etc. It wasn't

Nomar's fault the Sox had to start Kent Merker and a hurt Saberhagen against the

Yankees in the playoffs.

> �

> Good luck Nomar.

>

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From: "Larry Bromley" <labro54@...>
Date: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:38 am
Subject: Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending

him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets

hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the

steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@...> wrote:

>

> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites.   The talk shows were still trying

to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his

pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.

>

> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his

quick downfall, or was it just injuries?   I still appreciate all he did,

including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

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From: Sean Wilson <scoop1981@...>
Date: Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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Nomar would have to be down to his last dollar to come back to the Sox. Remember how Luccino trashed him on the way out? All of a sudden we heard about all the "trouble" with Nomar.

I gotta admit, I was on this board absolutely trashing the Nomar trade in 2004. I was obvioulsy wrong. For one thing Cabrera was an "upgrade" simply because he was a healthy, slick fielding SS. Nomar's health/availability was a big question. I still think Nomar was a great Sox player that just got caught in the machine.

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From: Larry Bromley <labro54@...>
Subject: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:38 AM

Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
>
> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

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From: "NebraskaRSfan" <airchief43@...>
Date: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:38 pm
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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If by caught in the machine, you mean that Nomar was a player who ‘seemingly’ exhibited the behaviors of someone on roids? If you mean he also fell victim to greed by turning down a 4 year $60 million contract? Then we can agree he got caught up in the machine.. If you mean Sox management stuck it to him then we have to agree to disagree, as in my opinion, Nomar did far more to hasten his exit from Boston than the ‘machine’ did to push him out.

How well did holding out, sulking and quitting on his teammates work out for him? And folks conveniently forget how Nomar got injured ?/ Playing soccer with Mia when his contract supposedly forbade that? How does one magically show up to spring training (Trot Nixon anyone?) with an injury that they don’t remember how they did it?

Nomar had a good run with the Red Sox.. It could have been for 4 additional years. It was his decision not to accept that. When he did things like quitting on his teammates, Theo had little choice but to get rid of him .

I have spent 35 years on a baseball diamond as a player and as an umpire through the AAA level. I can still remember that game with the Yankees when Jeter showed Nomar what team leadership is all about by diving into the stands to make a superb play while Nomar sat in the dugout staring into space while his teammates were on the tops step of the dugout supporting their team. Only a player who wants off the team does that.. Nomar made it clear he wanted out

Anyone who has played team sports truly understands the impact on the team when a player quits on the team. Nomar could not separate his own efforts to win a better contract from his responsibility toward the team. Que Sera… He suffered the consequences of that… by playing the next two years for half of what he would have received in Boston… The truly sad thing is that Nomar had the chance to enhance his image with Sox fans to the point of being remembered with the elite of Red Sox players… Now? Quite a mixed bag.

From: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com [mailto:friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Wilson
Sent: July 10, 2009 10:55
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Nomar would have to be down to his last dollar to come back to the Sox. Remember how Luccino trashed him on the way out? All of a sudden we heard about all the "trouble" with Nomar.

From: Larry Bromley <labro54@yahoo.com>
Subject: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:38 AM

Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
>
> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

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#18373

From: Sean Wilson <scoop1981@...>
Date: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:24 pm
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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It has been revealed that Nomar did not exactly turn down the contract offer; The Sox made and offer, Nomar's agent made a counter offer and the Sox pulled the offer from the table in a very unusual move. Does not sound like a team that wanted the player. Remember, Nomar was near the top of his game, albeit showing some wear, at the time. Jeter had just signed a $100mil++ contract and there was a lively debate at that time about who was the better player. I loved Nomar as a player and I was dissapointed when he was traded. I was wrong, but it does not mean Nomar turns into the Antichrist just because Larry Luccino and you say it is so.

Nomar fell victim to the unreasonalbe expectations of others. Nomar just wanted to play ball. The management and some fans wanted him to be more of a leader, the face of the team. Schilling said he was surprised Nomar was so quiet and kept to himself when Schilling joined the team. It didn't seem to effect Schilling's performance and to say Nomar's attitude effected the performance of other players is a reflection on those players, not Nomar.

Look, I'm coming at this from a 40+ year fan of the Red Sox living his entire life in Boston. I like good players, sue me. I liked Nomar. I liked Manny. I liked Clemens. I liked Damon. I ask a simple question - "does the player help the team win or not?" Manny clearly quit on the team and had to go. I don't remember Nomar or any of the other players mentioned refusing to play. I make up my own mind no matter what Larry Luccino and his WEEI and Globe mouthpieces tell me to think about players.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@...> wrote:

From: NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@...>
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 5:38 PM

If by caught in the machine, you mean that Nomar was a player who ‘seemingly’ exhibited the behaviors of someone on roids? If you mean he also fell victim to greed by turning down a 4 year $60 million contract? Then we can agree he got caught up in the machine.. If you mean Sox management stuck it to him then we have to agree to disagree, as in my opinion, Nomar did far more to hasten his exit from Boston than the ‘machine’ did to push him out.

How well did holding out, sulking and quitting on his teammates work out for him? And folks conveniently forget how Nomar got injured ?/ Playing soccer with Mia when his contract supposedly forbade that? How does one magically show up to spring training (Trot Nixon anyone?) with an injury that they don’t remember how they did it?

Nomar had a good run with the Red Sox.. It could have been for 4 additional years. It was his decision not to accept that. When he did things like quitting on his teammates, Theo had little choice but to get rid of him .

I have spent 35 years on a baseball diamond as a player and as an umpire through the AAA level. I can still remember that game with the Yankees when Jeter showed Nomar what team leadership is all about by diving into the stands to make a superb play while Nomar sat in the dugout staring into space while his teammates were on the tops step of the dugout supporting their team. Only a player who wants off the team does that.. Nomar made it clear he wanted out

Anyone who has played team sports truly understands the impact on the team when a player quits on the team. Nomar could not separate his own efforts to win a better contract from his responsibility toward the team. Que Sera… He suffered the consequences of that… by playing the next two years for half of what he would have received in Boston … The truly sad thing is that Nomar had the chance to enhance his image with Sox fans to the point of being remembered with the elite of Red Sox players… Now? Quite a mixed bag.

From: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Sean Wilson
Sent: July 10, 2009 10:55
To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Nomar would have to be down to his last dollar to come back to the Sox. Remember how Luccino trashed him on the way out? All of a sudden we heard about all the "trouble" with Nomar.

I gotta admit, I was on this board absolutely trashing the Nomar trade in 2004. I was obvioulsy wrong. For one thing Cabrera was an "upgrade" simply because he was a healthy, slick fielding SS. Nomar's health/availability was a big question. I still think Nomar was a great Sox player that just got caught in the machine.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Larry Bromley <labro54@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Larry Bromley <labro54@yahoo. com>
Subject: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:38 AM

Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
>
> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

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From: "NebraskaRSfan" <airchief43@...>
Date: Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:16 pm
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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From: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com [mailto:friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Wilson
Sent: July 11, 2009 08:25
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

It has been revealed that Nomar did not exactly turn down the contract offer; The Sox made and offer, Nomar's agent made a counter offer and the Sox pulled the offer from the table in a very unusual move. Does not sound like a team that wanted the player.Or could be that they had made their best and final offer of $60 mill for 4 years and were sick of Nomar dragging things on.. just as easy to say the player didn’t want to stay in Boston unless it was for jeter money.

Remember, Nomar was near the top of his game, albeit showing some wear, at the time. Jeter had just signed a $100mil++ contract and there was a lively debate at that time about who was the better player. I loved Nomar as a player and I was dissapointed when he was traded. I was wrong, but it does not mean Nomar turns into the Antichrist just because Larry Luccino and you say it is so. First of all Sean, you lose this debate by going personal and second of all inferring that I said anything like that. Please stick to the facts OK? You were a Nomar fan w/o qualification. I was a Nomar fan who got pissed at him for how poorly he and his agent handled things. You saw what you saw, Others saw it differently and saw how Noma

‘behaved’ during his injury rehab.. e.g., spending little time with the team as has been custom when he was ambulatory.

Nomar fell victim to the unreasonalbe expectations of others. Please elaborate… Nomar was anything but a victim in my opinion. Nomar just wanted to play ball. The management and some fans wanted him to be more of a leader, the face of the team. Schilling said he was surprised Nomar was so quiet and kept to himself when Schilling joined the team. It didn't seem to effect Schilling's performance and to say Nomar's attitude effected the performance of other players is a reflection on those players, not Nomar. Fine, this is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Funny how a company that pays an employee millions of $$$$$$$$$ might expect an employee to be a leader and the ‘face’ of the company. Gee what a horrid and gruesome expectation.

Look, I'm coming at this from a 40+ year fan of the Red Sox living his entire life in Boston. I am coming at this from being a 57 year fan of the Red Sox and having spent 35 years on a baseball diamond playing sandlot and umpiring through the AAA level. So sue me too. I like good players, sue me. I liked Nomar. I liked Manny. I liked Clemens. I liked Damon. I ask a simple question - "does the player help the team win or not?" Manny clearly quit on the team and had to go. I don't remember Nomar or any of the other players mentioned refusing to play. So you seem to forget Nomar’s behavior and sitting on the bench sulking/ Guess you didn’t watch that game? I make up my own mind no matter what Larry Luccino and his WEEI and Globe mouthpieces tell me to think about players. Quit being petty and insulting just because others have a different opinion..You do not hold the exclusive license for independent thinking.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@cox.net> wrote:

From: NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 5:38 PM

If by caught in the machine, you mean that Nomar was a player who ‘seemingly’ exhibited the behaviors of someone on roids? If you mean he also fell victim to greed by turning down a 4 year $60 million contract? Then we can agree he got caught up in the machine.. If you mean Sox management stuck it to him then we have to agree to disagree, as in my opinion, Nomar did far more to hasten his exit from Boston than the ‘machine’ did to push him out.

How well did holding out, sulking and quitting on his teammates work out for him? And folks conveniently forget how Nomar got injured ?/ Playing soccer with Mia when his contract supposedly forbade that? How does one magically show up to spring training (Trot Nixon anyone?) with an injury that they don’t remember how they did it?

Nomar had a good run with the Red Sox.. It could have been for 4 additional years. It was his decision not to accept that. When he did things like quitting on his teammates, Theo had little choice but to get rid of him .

I have spent 35 years on a baseball diamond as a player and as an umpire through the AAA level. I can still remember that game with the Yankees when Jeter showed Nomar what team leadership is all about by diving into the stands to make a superb play while Nomar sat in the dugout staring into space while his teammates were on the tops step of the dugout supporting their team. Only a player who wants off the team does that.. Nomar made it clear he wanted out

Anyone who has played team sports truly understands the impact on the team when a player quits on the team. Nomar could not separate his own efforts to win a better contract from his responsibility toward the team. Que Sera… He suffered the consequences of that… by playing the next two years for half of what he would have received in Boston … The truly sad thing is that Nomar had the chance to enhance his image with Sox fans to the point of being remembered with the elite of Red Sox players… Now? Quite a mixed bag.

From: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Sean Wilson
Sent: July 10, 2009 10:55
To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Nomar would have to be down to his last dollar to come back to the Sox. Remember how Luccino trashed him on the way out? All of a sudden we heard about all the "trouble" with Nomar.

I gotta admit, I was on this board absolutely trashing the Nomar trade in 2004. I was obvioulsy wrong. For one thing Cabrera was an "upgrade" simply because he was a healthy, slick fielding SS. Nomar's health/availability was a big question. I still think Nomar was a great Sox player that just got caught in the machine.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Larry Bromley <labro54@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Larry Bromley <labro54@yahoo. com>
Subject: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:38 AM

Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
>
> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

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From: "Larry Bromley" <labro54@...>
Date: Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:28 am
Subject: Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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Since he left, Nomah learned to play 1B and 3B. If the Sox ever needed a

supersub, he could be the one, even only for a stretch drive at the end of his

career. Plus, Mia Hamm would rival Jennifer Garner for hottest Fenway fan.

RRRROWRRRR!

   BTW, I'd like to think that Nomah helped break the Bambino curse. I'm not

convinced that Orlando Cabrera was an upgrade at SS. IMHO, the 2005 season seems

to support that.

  Sean Wilson <scoop1981@...> wrote:

>

> while I don't see Nomar finishing his career with the Red Sox, I was glad to

see the Fenway crowd give Nomar the warm reception he deserves.

> �

> Nomar was the last of the stand-alone stars that got blamed for every failure.

with his departure and the subsequent WS championship, we finally learned it

takes a team to win a title, not a star or two. Ask Yaz, Clemens, etc. It wasn't

Nomar's fault the Sox had to start Kent Merker and a hurt Saberhagen against the

Yankees in the playoffs.

>

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#18369

From: "Kathy B" <KBStickss@...>
Date: Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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Ok then,

I don't believe for a minute that Nomar was on steroids. Everything I ever read while he was with the Sox told me that he had an amazing work ethic when he played with the Sox. Boot camp type workouts in the off season.

I think he Felt hurt when he didn't get the support from Boston that he thought he deserved.

ok, my 2 cents

Kathy B

----- Original Message -----

From: Larry Bromley

To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:38 AM

Subject: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
>
> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

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#18372

From: "NebraskaRSfan" <airchief43@...>
Date: Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:35 am
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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LOL, Nomar’s bizarre behavior screamed roids… his sudden bulking up for the infamous SI Cover screamed roids. His sudden and bizarre injuries screamed roids. His unreasonable position in contract negotiations screamed roids. His change in temperament to become erratic in what he said to media screamed roids. His sulking in the dug out screamed roids…. His bizarre method of responding to team management concerning the Achilles heal injury screamed roids… his bizarre responses to Boston media during his honeymoon screamed roids

Maybe Nomar did not do roids.. we may never know for sure.. but the laws of probability suggest otherwise.

From: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com [mailto:friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kathy B
Sent: July 10, 2009 10:04
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Ok then,

I think he Felt hurt when he didn't get the support from Boston that he thought he deserved.

ok, my 2 cents

Kathy B

----- Original Message -----

From: Larry Bromley

To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:38 AM

Subject: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
>
> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

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#18374

From: Sean Wilson <scoop1981@...>
Date: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:40 pm
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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You tend to throw a lot of cow sh*t on the barn door. OK Nomar's body and possibly his injuries may indicate the use of steroids, but what "bizarre" injuruies and "bizarre" behaviour and responses are you talking about? The Nomar I saw every day was mild-mannered, quiet and level-headed guy. I never saw anything "bizarre" about Nomar, except maybe his nose ('roids?). This is what most frurstrated, wannabe shut-ins hated about Nomar, his "attitude". Same with Manny. I either had trashed the dougout after a strikeout, maybe some would like them more. Does nothing for me.

From: NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@...>
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:35 PM

LOL, Nomar’s bizarre behavior screamed roids… his sudden bulking up for the infamous SI Cover screamed roids. His sudden and bizarre injuries screamed roids. His unreasonable position in contract negotiations screamed roids. His change in temperament to become erratic in what he said to media screamed roids. His sulking in the dug out screamed roids…. His bizarre method of responding to team management concerning the Achilles heal injury screamed roids… his bizarre responses to Boston media during his honeymoon screamed roids

Maybe Nomar did not do roids.. we may never know for sure.. but the laws of probability suggest otherwise.

From: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Kathy B
Sent: July 10, 2009 10:04
To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Ok then,

I don't believe for a minute that Nomar was on steroids. Everything I ever read while he was with the Sox told me that he had an amazing work ethic when he played with the Sox. Boot camp type workouts in the off season.

I think he Felt hurt when he didn't get the support from Boston that he thought he deserved.

ok, my 2 cents

Kathy B

----- Original Message -----

From: Larry Bromley

To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:38 AM

Subject: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
>
> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

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From: Charscot <rich@...>
Date: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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Superb post.





I actually thought a lot of Ron's post was fairly bizarre...does that

mean he is on 'roids ?  ;-)





Cheers

Rich













Sean Wilson wrote:



>

>

>

> Hard to prove a negative. It is certainly possible Nomar did steriods,

> but you leave out one of the most valid inferences - many high

> performing players from the 1990's and beyond have been proven to have

> used steroids or other PED's.

>

> You tend to throw a lot of cow sh*t on the barn door. OK Nomar's body

> and possibly his injuries may indicate the use of steroids, but what

> "bizarre" injuruies and "bizarre" behaviour and responses are you

> talking about?  The Nomar I saw every day was mild-mannered, quiet and

> level-headed guy. I never saw anything "bizarre" about Nomar, except

> maybe his nose ('roids?).  This is what most frurstrated, wannabe

> shut-ins hated about Nomar, his "attitude". Same with Manny. I either

> had trashed the dougout after a strikeout, maybe some would like them

> more.  Does nothing for me.

>

> Unreasonable contract position? I'm glad he didn't take the contract,

> but the Sox offered him a contract, Nomar's agent engaged in

> negotiations as is the norm, and the Sox pulled the offer. That is

> unreasonalbe. Funny how we heard all about this contract negotiation

> from Luccino, while the supposed policy is not to discuss contract

> issues. Funny.

>

> --- On *Fri, 7/10/09, NebraskaRSfan /<airchief43@...>/* wrote:

>

>

>     From: NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@...>

>     Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career

>     With Red Sox

>     To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com

>     Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:35 PM

>

>     LOL, Nomar’s  bizarre behavior screamed roids… his sudden bulking

>     up for the infamous SI Cover screamed roids. His sudden and

>     bizarre injuries screamed roids.  His unreasonable position in

>     contract negotiations screamed roids. His change in temperament to

>     become erratic in what he said to media screamed roids.  His

>     sulking in the dug out screamed roids…. His bizarre method of

>     responding to team management concerning the Achilles heal injury

>     screamed roids…  his bizarre responses to Boston media during his

>      honeymoon screamed roids

>

>

>

>     Maybe Nomar did not do roids.. we may never know for sure.. but

>     the laws of probability suggest otherwise.

>

>

>

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>     *From:* friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: friendlyfenway@

>     yahoogroups. com ] *On Behalf Of *Kathy B

>     *Sent:* July 10, 2009 10:04

>     *To:* friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com

>     *Subject:* Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing

>     Career With Red Sox

>

>

>

>

>

>

>     Ok then,

>

>

>

>        I don't believe for a minute that Nomar was on steroids.

>     Everything I ever read while he was with the Sox told me that he

>     had an amazing work ethic when he played with the Sox. Boot camp

>     type workouts in the off season.

>

>

>

>     I think he Felt hurt when he didn't get the support from Boston

>     that he thought he deserved.

>

>

>

>     ok, my 2 cents

>

>

>

>     Kathy B

>

>

>

>         ----- Original Message -----

>

>         *From:* Larry Bromley

>         <http://us.mc1104.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=labro54@yahoo.com>

>

>         *To:* friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com

>        

<http://us.mc1104.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com>

>

>

>         *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2009 12:38 AM

>

>         *Subject:* Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing

>         Career With Red Sox

>

>

>

>         Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You

>         start out defending him, then there's that little implication.

>         Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to

>         see this group suddenly come to life in response to the

>         steriod claim.

>

>         go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

>         >

>         > Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were

>         still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think

>         he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is

>         sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.

>         >

>         > The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this

>         contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I

>         still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw

>         (the one on his birthday).

>

>

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From: "NebraskaRSfan" <airchief43@...>
Date: Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:47 pm
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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LOL Rich, as a matter of fact I have been on roids…

From: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com [mailto:friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charscot
Sent: July 11, 2009 08:44
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Superb post.

I actually thought a lot of Ron's post was fairly bizarre...does that
mean he is on 'roids ? ;-)

Cheers
Rich

Sean Wilson wrote:

>
>
>
> Hard to prove a negative. It is certainly possible Nomar did steriods,
> but you leave out one of the most valid inferences - many high
> performing players from the 1990's and beyond have been proven to have
> used steroids or other PED's.
>
> You tend to throw a lot of cow sh*t on the barn door. OK Nomar's body
> and possibly his injuries may indicate the use of steroids, but what
> "bizarre" injuruies and "bizarre" behaviour and responses are you
> talking about? The Nomar I saw every day was mild-mannered, quiet and
> level-headed guy. I never saw anything "bizarre" about Nomar, except
> maybe his nose ('roids?). This is what most frurstrated, wannabe
> shut-ins hated about Nomar, his "attitude". Same with Manny. I either
> had trashed the dougout after a strikeout, maybe some would like them
> more. Does nothing for me.
>
> Unreasonable contract position? I'm glad he didn't take the contract,
> but the Sox offered him a contract, Nomar's agent engaged in
> negotiations as is the norm, and the Sox pulled the offer. That is
> unreasonalbe. Funny how we heard all about this contract negotiation
> from Luccino, while the supposed policy is not to discuss contract
> issues. Funny.
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/10/09, NebraskaRSfan /<airchief43@cox.net>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career
> With Red Sox
> To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:35 PM
>
> LOL, Nomar’s bizarre behavior screamed roids… his sudden bulking
> up for the infamous SI Cover screamed roids. His sudden and
> bizarre injuries screamed roids. His unreasonable position in
> contract negotiations screamed roids. His change in temperament to
> become erratic in what he said to media screamed roids. His
> sulking in the dug out screamed roids…. His bizarre method of
> responding to team management concerning the Achilles heal injury
> screamed roids… his bizarre responses to Boston media during his
> honeymoon screamed roids
>
>
>
> Maybe Nomar did not do roids.. we may never know for sure.. but
> the laws of probability suggest otherwise.
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: friendlyfenway@
> yahoogroups. com ] *On Behalf Of *Kathy B
> *Sent:* July 10, 2009 10:04
> *To:* friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
> *Subject:* Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing
> Career With Red Sox
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok then,
>
>
>
> I don't believe for a minute that Nomar was on steroids.
> Everything I ever read while he was with the Sox told me that he
> had an amazing work ethic when he played with the Sox. Boot camp
> type workouts in the off season.
>
>
>
> I think he Felt hurt when he didn't get the support from Boston
> that he thought he deserved.
>
>
>
> ok, my 2 cents
>
>
>
> Kathy B
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Larry Bromley
> <http://us.mc1104.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=labro54@yahoo.com>
>
> *To:* friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
> <http://us.mc1104.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com>
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2009 12:38 AM
>
> *Subject:* Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing
> Career With Red Sox
>
>
>
> Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You
> start out defending him, then there's that little implication.
> Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to
> see this group suddenly come to life in response to the
> steriod claim.
>
> go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were
> still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think
> he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is
> sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
> >
> > The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this
> contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I
> still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw
> (the one on his birthday).
>
>

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From: "Bonnie M. Smolskis" <bsmolskis@...>
Date: Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:25 pm
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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Happen to have a chance to get up to Boston for the day. Not to see the game but just to enjoy the town. Haven't been to Boston in over a year. The harborwalk and gardens are beautiful. Everyone from newborns to the very old wearing Red Sox stuff. A beautiful sight.

Of course, lots of Tourists from all over, had to laugh at a group of guys standing next to a stand of Red Sox Merchanise, hearding one of the guys say to the rest........"They REALLY that this very seriously, don't try and mess with them." LOL.

From: NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@...>
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:47:28 PM
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

LOL Rich, as a matter of fact I have been on roids…

From: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Charscot
Sent: July 11, 2009 08:44
To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Superb post.

I actually thought a lot of Ron's post was fairly bizarre...does that
mean he is on 'roids ? ;-)

Cheers
Rich

Sean Wilson wrote:

>
>
>
> Hard to prove a negative. It is certainly possible Nomar did steriods,
> but you leave out one of the most valid inferences - many high
> performing players from the 1990's and beyond have been proven to have
> used steroids or other PED's.
>
> You tend to throw a lot of cow sh*t on the barn door. OK Nomar's body
> and possibly his injuries may indicate the use of steroids, but what
> "bizarre" injuruies and "bizarre" behaviour and responses are you
> talking about? The Nomar I saw every day was mild-mannered, quiet and
> level-headed guy. I never saw anything "bizarre" about Nomar, except
> maybe his nose ('roids?). This is what most frurstrated, wannabe
> shut-ins hated about Nomar, his "attitude". Same with Manny. I either
> had trashed the dougout after a strikeout, maybe some would like them
> more. Does nothing for me.
>
> Unreasonable contract position? I'm glad he didn't take the contract,
> but the Sox offered him a contract, Nomar's agent engaged in
> negotiations as is the norm, and the Sox pulled the offer. That is
> unreasonalbe. Funny how we heard all about this contract negotiation
> from Luccino, while the supposed policy is not to discuss contract
> issues. Funny.
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/10/09, NebraskaRSfan /<airchief43@cox. net>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@cox. net>
> Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career
> With Red Sox
> To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:35 PM
>
> LOL, Nomar’s bizarre behavior screamed roids… his sudden bulking
> up for the infamous SI Cover screamed roids. His sudden and
> bizarre injuries screamed roids. His unreasonable position in
> contract negotiations screamed roids. His change in temperament to
> become erratic in what he said to media screamed roids. His
> sulking in the dug out screamed roids…. His bizarre method of
> responding to team management concerning the Achilles heal injury
> screamed roids… his bizarre responses to Boston media during his
> honeymoon screamed roids
>
>
>
> Maybe Nomar did not do roids.. we may never know for sure.. but
> the laws of probability suggest otherwise.
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
> *From:* friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: friendlyfenway@
> yahoogroups. com ] *On Behalf Of *Kathy B
> *Sent:* July 10, 2009 10:04
> *To:* friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
> *Subject:* Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing
> Career With Red Sox
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok then,
>
>
>
> I don't believe for a minute that Nomar was on steroids.
> Everything I ever read while he was with the Sox told me that he
> had an amazing work ethic when he played with the Sox. Boot camp
> type workouts in the off season.
>
>
>
> I think he Felt hurt when he didn't get the support from Boston
> that he thought he deserved.
>
>
>
> ok, my 2 cents
>
>
>
> Kathy B
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Larry Bromley
> <http://us.mc1104. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=labro54@ yahoo.com>
>
> *To:* friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
> <http://us.mc1104. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=friendlyfenwa y@yahoogroups. com>
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2009 12:38 AM
>
> *Subject:* Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing
> Career With Red Sox
>
>
>
> Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You
> start out defending him, then there's that little implication.
> Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to
> see this group suddenly come to life in response to the
> steriod claim.
>
> go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were
> still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think
> he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is
> sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
> >
> > The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this
> contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I
> still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw
> (the one on his birthday).
>
>

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From: "NebraskaRSfan" <airchief43@...>
Date: Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:46 pm
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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See remarks below:

From: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com [mailto:friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Wilson
Sent: July 11, 2009 08:41
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Hard to prove a negative. It is certainly possible Nomar did steriods, but you leave out one of the most valid inferences - many high performing players from the 1990's and beyond have been proven to have used steroids or other PED's.We weren’t discussing other players and that is not germane to the discussion. What is germane is that it is a common side effect of roids for a user to be irritable and exhibit behavior not normally attributed to the person. At this time, No one can say for certain that Nomar was a roid user. What one can fairly say is that toward the end of his tenure in Boston Nomar engaged in behavior not normally seen from him. Was it Mia or roids?

You tend to throw a lot of cow sh*t on the barn door. There you go again, getting personal.. what I post is cow sheeeet and what you post is water from the Holy Grail.. I get it… What I also get is when people can’t discuss without hurling insults they lose the discussion. OK Nomar's body and possibly his injuries may indicate the use of steroids, but what "bizarre" injuruies First, his Achilles injury just magically appeared… must have done that getting up off the can at Mia’s house eh? and "bizarre" behaviour rather than write a doctoral thesis perhaps it would be helpful for you to review the entire saga during the last 3 to 6 months of Nomar’s return from injury and contract negotiations. Please don’t pretend like you are not aware of all the nonsense that occurred. and responses are you talking about? The Nomar I saw every day was mild-mannered, quiet and level-headed guy. I never saw anything "bizarre" about Nomar, except maybe his nose ('roids?). This is what most frurstrated, wannabe shut-ins hated about Nomar, his "attitude". Again, your insults make you lose the discussion. Same with Manny. I either had trashed the dougout after a strikeout, maybe some would like them more. Does nothing for me.

Unreasonable contract position? I'm glad he didn't take the contract, but the Sox offered him a contract, Nomar's agent engaged in negotiations as is the norm, and the Sox pulled the offer. That is unreasonalbe. Funny how we heard all about this contract negotiation from Luccino, while the supposed policy is not to discuss contract issues. Funny Neither one of us truly knows what transpired in the negotiation process. All we do know is what was reported by mouthpieces and agents. The fact that he was offered $60 mill for 4 years seems a fairly reasonable belief. It is just as reasonable to say that the Red Sox had an arbitrary maximum amount that they were going to pay Nomar. When Nomar’s agent turned that down,with a counter offer (and we do not know what the counter offer was now do we? What if it was for 100 million?) I don’t have a chapped ass because contract negotiations didn’t work out. I DO HAVE A CHAPPED ASS TOWARD NOMAR FOR QUITTING ON HIS TEAM YOU CAN BELIEVE HE DID NOT…… I BELIEVE HE DID. . And that is coming from 12 years of high school and military baseball and over 3,000 games umpired.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@cox.net> wrote:

From: NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:35 PM

LOL, Nomar’s bizarre behavior screamed roids… his sudden bulking up for the infamous SI Cover screamed roids. His sudden and bizarre injuries screamed roids. His unreasonable position in contract negotiations screamed roids. His change in temperament to become erratic in what he said to media screamed roids. His sulking in the dug out screamed roids…. His bizarre method of responding to team management concerning the Achilles heal injury screamed roids… his bizarre responses to Boston media during his honeymoon screamed roids

Maybe Nomar did not do roids.. we may never know for sure.. but the laws of probability suggest otherwise.

From: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Kathy B
Sent: July 10, 2009 10:04
To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Ok then,

I don't believe for a minute that Nomar was on steroids. Everything I ever read while he was with the Sox told me that he had an amazing work ethic when he played with the Sox. Boot camp type workouts in the off season.

I think he Felt hurt when he didn't get the support from Boston that he thought he deserved.

ok, my 2 cents

Kathy B

----- Original Message -----

From: Larry Bromley

To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:38 AM

Subject: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
>
> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

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From: go.john99
Date: Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

go.john99

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Yes the SI cover and rash of injuries is suspicious.    I can't be a fan of

someone and wonder if they were on the juice?     There is some evidence to

suggest a decline when someone stops juicing or medical issues - take a look at

Ken Caminiti.  Look at ARod this year - he's only hitting .247.   Unfortunately

every player in the late 90's is suspect.   Joe Torre's book suggest that Mo

Vaughn was also on the juice.    I think the "list" of 103 needs to come out

instead of a name being released here and there (Sosa, ARod).

--- In friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com, "NebraskaRSfan" <airchief43@...> wrote:

>

> LOL, Nomar's  bizarre behavior screamed roids. his sudden bulking up for the 

infamous SI Cover screamed roids. His sudden and bizarre injuries screamed

roids.

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