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RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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From: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com [mailto:friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Wilson
Sent: July 11, 2009 08:41
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

 




 

Hard to prove a negative. It is certainly possible Nomar did steriods, but you leave out one of the most valid inferences - many high performing players from the 1990's and beyond have been proven to have used steroids or other PED's.We weren’t discussing other players and that is not germane to the discussion. What is germane is that it is a common side effect of roids for a user to be irritable and exhibit behavior not normally attributed to the person. At this time, No one can say for certain that Nomar was a roid user.  What one can fairly say is that toward the end of his tenure in Boston Nomar engaged in behavior not normally seen from him.  Was it Mia or roids?

 

You tend to throw a lot of cow sh*t on the barn door. There you go again, getting personal.. what I post is cow sheeeet and what you post is water from the Holy Grail.. I get it… What I also get is when people can’t discuss without hurling insults they lose the discussion.  OK Nomar's body and possibly his injuries may indicate the use of steroids, but what "bizarre" injuruies   First, his Achilles injury just magically appeared… must have done that getting up off the can at Mia’s house eh?  and "bizarre" behaviour rather than write a doctoral thesis perhaps it would be helpful for you to review the entire saga during the last 3 to 6 months of Nomar’s return from injury and contract negotiations. Please don’t pretend like you are not aware of all the nonsense that occurred. and responses are you talking about?  The Nomar I saw every day was mild-mannered, quiet and level-headed guy. I never saw anything "bizarre" about Nomar, except maybe his nose ('roids?).  This is what most frurstrated, wannabe shut-ins hated about Nomar, his "attitude". Again, your insults make you lose the discussionSame with Manny. I either had trashed the dougout after a strikeout, maybe some would like them more.  Does nothing for me.

 

Unreasonable contract position? I'm glad he didn't take the contract, but the Sox offered him a contract, Nomar's agent engaged in negotiations as is the norm, and the Sox pulled the offer. That is unreasonalbe. Funny how we heard all about this contract negotiation from Luccino, while the supposed policy is not to discuss contract issues. Funny  Neither one of us truly knows what transpired in the negotiation process. All we do know is what was reported by mouthpieces and agents.  The fact that he was offered $60 mill for 4 years seems a fairly reasonable belief. It is just as reasonable to say that the Red Sox had an arbitrary maximum amount that they were going to pay Nomar. When Nomar’s agent turned that down,with a counter offer (and we do not know what the counter offer was now do we? What if it was for 100 million?)  I don’t have a chapped ass because contract negotiations  didn’t work out. I DO HAVE A CHAPPED ASS TOWARD NOMAR FOR QUITTING ON HIS TEAM   YOU CAN BELIEVE HE DID NOT…… I BELIEVE HE DID. .  And that is coming from 12 years of high school and military baseball and over 3,000 games umpired

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@cox.net> wrote:


From: NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:35 PM

LOL, Nomar’s  bizarre behavior screamed roids… his sudden bulking up for the infamous SI Cover screamed roids. His sudden and bizarre injuries screamed roids.  His unreasonable position in contract negotiations screamed roids. His change in temperament to become erratic in what he said to media screamed roids.  His sulking in the dug out screamed roids…. His bizarre method of responding to team management concerning the Achilles heal injury screamed roids…  his bizarre responses to Boston media during his  honeymoon screamed roids

 

Maybe Nomar did not do roids.. we may never know for sure.. but the laws of probability suggest otherwise.

 


From: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Kathy B
Sent: July 10, 2009 10:04
To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

 



Ok then,

 

   I don't believe for a minute that Nomar was on steroids.  Everything I ever read while he was with the Sox told me that he had an amazing work ethic when he played with the Sox. Boot camp type workouts in the off season.

 

I think he Felt hurt when he didn't get the support from Boston that he thought he deserved.

 

ok, my 2 cents

 

Kathy B

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:38 AM

Subject: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

 

Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
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> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
>
> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).



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while I don't see Nomar finishing his career with the Red Sox, I was glad to see the Fenway crowd give Nomar the warm reception he deserves.   Nomar was the...
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Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game...
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Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets...
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If by caught in the machine, you mean that Nomar was a player who 'seemingly' exhibited the behaviors of someone on roids? If you mean he also fell victim...
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  It has been revealed that Nomar did not exactly turn down the contract offer; The Sox made and offer, Nomar's agent made a counter offer and the Sox pulled...
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Since he left, Nomah learned to play 1B and 3B. If the Sox ever needed a supersub, he could be the one, even only for a stretch drive at the end of his career....
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Ok then, I don't believe for a minute that Nomar was on steroids. Everything I ever read while he was with the Sox told me that he had an amazing work ethic...
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LOL, Nomar's bizarre behavior screamed roids. his sudden bulking up for the infamous SI Cover screamed roids. His sudden and bizarre injuries screamed roids....
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  Hard to prove a negative. It is certainly possible Nomar did steriods, but you leave out one of the most valid inferences - many high performing players...
Sean Wilson
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Superb post. I actually thought a lot of Ron's post was fairly bizarre...does that mean he is on 'roids ? ;-) Cheers Rich...
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LOL Rich, as a matter of fact I have been on roids. _____ From: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com [mailto:friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charscot ...
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Yes the SI cover and rash of injuries is suspicious. I can't be a fan of someone and wonder if they were on the juice? There is some evidence to suggest...
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