friendlyfenway : Message: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

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From: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com [mailto:friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Wilson
Sent: July 11, 2009 08:25
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

It has been revealed that Nomar did not exactly turn down the contract offer; The Sox made and offer, Nomar's agent made a counter offer and the Sox pulled the offer from the table in a very unusual move. Does not sound like a team that wanted the player.Or could be that they had made their best and final offer of $60 mill for 4 years and were sick of Nomar dragging things on.. just as easy to say the player didn’t want to stay in Boston unless it was for jeter money.

Remember, Nomar was near the top of his game, albeit showing some wear, at the time. Jeter had just signed a $100mil++ contract and there was a lively debate at that time about who was the better player. I loved Nomar as a player and I was dissapointed when he was traded. I was wrong, but it does not mean Nomar turns into the Antichrist just because Larry Luccino and you say it is so. First of all Sean, you lose this debate by going personal and second of all inferring that I said anything like that. Please stick to the facts OK? You were a Nomar fan w/o qualification. I was a Nomar fan who got pissed at him for how poorly he and his agent handled things. You saw what you saw, Others saw it differently and saw how Noma

‘behaved’ during his injury rehab.. e.g., spending little time with the team as has been custom when he was ambulatory.

Nomar fell victim to the unreasonalbe expectations of others. Please elaborate… Nomar was anything but a victim in my opinion. Nomar just wanted to play ball. The management and some fans wanted him to be more of a leader, the face of the team. Schilling said he was surprised Nomar was so quiet and kept to himself when Schilling joined the team. It didn't seem to effect Schilling's performance and to say Nomar's attitude effected the performance of other players is a reflection on those players, not Nomar. Fine, this is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Funny how a company that pays an employee millions of $$$$$$$$$ might expect an employee to be a leader and the ‘face’ of the company. Gee what a horrid and gruesome expectation.

Look, I'm coming at this from a 40+ year fan of the Red Sox living his entire life in Boston. I am coming at this from being a 57 year fan of the Red Sox and having spent 35 years on a baseball diamond playing sandlot and umpiring through the AAA level. So sue me too. I like good players, sue me. I liked Nomar. I liked Manny. I liked Clemens. I liked Damon. I ask a simple question - "does the player help the team win or not?" Manny clearly quit on the team and had to go. I don't remember Nomar or any of the other players mentioned refusing to play. So you seem to forget Nomar’s behavior and sitting on the bench sulking/ Guess you didn’t watch that game? I make up my own mind no matter what Larry Luccino and his WEEI and Globe mouthpieces tell me to think about players. Quit being petty and insulting just because others have a different opinion..You do not hold the exclusive license for independent thinking.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@cox.net> wrote:

From: NebraskaRSfan <airchief43@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 5:38 PM

If by caught in the machine, you mean that Nomar was a player who ‘seemingly’ exhibited the behaviors of someone on roids? If you mean he also fell victim to greed by turning down a 4 year $60 million contract? Then we can agree he got caught up in the machine.. If you mean Sox management stuck it to him then we have to agree to disagree, as in my opinion, Nomar did far more to hasten his exit from Boston than the ‘machine’ did to push him out.

How well did holding out, sulking and quitting on his teammates work out for him? And folks conveniently forget how Nomar got injured ?/ Playing soccer with Mia when his contract supposedly forbade that? How does one magically show up to spring training (Trot Nixon anyone?) with an injury that they don’t remember how they did it?

Nomar had a good run with the Red Sox.. It could have been for 4 additional years. It was his decision not to accept that. When he did things like quitting on his teammates, Theo had little choice but to get rid of him .

I have spent 35 years on a baseball diamond as a player and as an umpire through the AAA level. I can still remember that game with the Yankees when Jeter showed Nomar what team leadership is all about by diving into the stands to make a superb play while Nomar sat in the dugout staring into space while his teammates were on the tops step of the dugout supporting their team. Only a player who wants off the team does that.. Nomar made it clear he wanted out

Anyone who has played team sports truly understands the impact on the team when a player quits on the team. Nomar could not separate his own efforts to win a better contract from his responsibility toward the team. Que Sera… He suffered the consequences of that… by playing the next two years for half of what he would have received in Boston … The truly sad thing is that Nomar had the chance to enhance his image with Sox fans to the point of being remembered with the elite of Red Sox players… Now? Quite a mixed bag.

From: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Sean Wilson
Sent: July 10, 2009 10:55
To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox

Nomar would have to be down to his last dollar to come back to the Sox. Remember how Luccino trashed him on the way out? All of a sudden we heard about all the "trouble" with Nomar.

I gotta admit, I was on this board absolutely trashing the Nomar trade in 2004. I was obvioulsy wrong. For one thing Cabrera was an "upgrade" simply because he was a healthy, slick fielding SS. Nomar's health/availability was a big question. I still think Nomar was a great Sox player that just got caught in the machine.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Larry Bromley <labro54@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Larry Bromley <labro54@yahoo. com>
Subject: Friendly Fenway Re: Nomar Dreams Of Finishing Career With Red Sox
To: friendlyfenway@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:38 AM

Does he LOOK like a juicer? WTH is that question for? You start out defending him, then there's that little implication. Are you suspicious of anyone who gets hurt now? I'd like to see this group suddenly come to life in response to the steriod claim.

go.john99 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Nomar was absolutely one of my favorites. The talk shows were still trying to badmouth him Monday, saying they didn't think he was sincere with his pre-game comments. I think he is sincere and seemed to appreciate the ovation.
>
> The unanswered question is was he a juicer and did this contribute to his quick downfall, or was it just injuries? I still appreciate all he did, including the 3 HR game I saw (the one on his birthday).

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