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#2124 From: Martin <mdsawyer58@...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Faster
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It's all about TERMINAL VELOCITY...remove uphauls, clip/wrap other other hauls, secure straps, etc...

Rick Randall <rmr20657@...> wrote:
Is that on Formula gear or on slalom gear?

----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Rayl <mrayl11@yahoo.com>
To: ecfw@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 9:07:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ecfw] Re: Faster

The GPS does tell the tale, I can't get past 29.9 MPH. I want 30!!!!!!!!
Mike

Rick Randall <rmr20657@yahoo. com> wrote:
I would certainly second the opinion that the rider is a huge factor in speed.  The discussion could go in endless directions really.  Are we really talking about real world sailors going faster in a certain range of real world conditions(a productive conversation) or are we trying to dream up something others have pondered endlessly in the quest for ultimate speed?
 
If it is the former, rather than the latter, there are many things a sailor can do to increase speed, beyond the realm of equipment.  As far as equipment goes, generally speaking, the smaller the gear (less wetted surface = less drag) for any given wind condition, the faster you will end up going.  That has to be weighed against the exact conditions in terms of wind/water surface/and sailing angle though.
 
The biggest factor is still the rider.  Holding the rig as upright as possible, and standing steady through the lulls and gusts, adjusting as smoothly as possible is preobably going to add a couple of knots to your ultimate speed.  Picking the "fastest" line through any chop or waves will help tremendously.  This means catching little to no air, riding in the troughs, not across the peaks.  And the really big factor is the desire to let go of fear and push yourself over the edge.  I had breakfast with Finian last summer of 2005 on Maui, and asked him what the secret was, and he got this distant look on his face and said something like, just get past the fear if you can, but it isn't easy.
 
GPS is a great tool.  Many people think they are going really fast, until they use a gps and see they are not. 

----- Original Message ----
From: Clyde <clydepeggy@hotmail. com>
To: ecfw@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 6:13:24 PM
Subject: [ecfw] Re: Faster

As to a discussion about weird ideas that would make a board go faster,
how weird do you want to get? We could speculate endlessly, but for
what purpose? What might be a little closer to home is a discussion
about what makes you go fast with the gear you already have. Seems as
though you feel that the gear is the key to going fast. Here's a
contrarian point of view: it's the rider who makes the gear go fast.
OK, gear is somwhat important, but not as important as you might think.
Don't let me throw a wet blanket on the fantastic space ships of the
future that might be seeded in a discussion but man, it's the rider who
makes the board go fast... Discuss away...



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#2123 From: Michael Rayl <mrayl11@...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Faster
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Slalom

Rick Randall <rmr20657@...> wrote:
Is that on Formula gear or on slalom gear?

----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Rayl <mrayl11@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 9:07:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ecfw] Re: Faster

The GPS does tell the tale, I can't get past 29.9 MPH. I want 30!!!!!!!!
Mike

Rick Randall <rmr20657@yahoo. com> wrote:
I would certainly second the opinion that the rider is a huge factor in speed.  The discussion could go in endless directions really.  Are we really talking about real world sailors going faster in a certain range of real world conditions(a productive conversation) or are we trying to dream up something others have pondered endlessly in the quest for ultimate speed?
 
If it is the former, rather than the latter, there are many things a sailor can do to increase speed, beyond the realm of equipment.  As far as equipment goes, generally speaking, the smaller the gear (less wetted surface = less drag) for any given wind condition, the faster you will end up going.  That has to be weighed against the exact conditions in terms of wind/water surface/and sailing angle though.
 
The biggest factor is still the rider.  Holding the rig as upright as possible, and standing steady through the lulls and gusts, adjusting as smoothly as possible is preobably going to add a couple of knots to your ultimate speed.  Picking the "fastest" line through any chop or waves will help tremendously.  This means catching little to no air, riding in the troughs, not across the peaks.  And the really big factor is the desire to let go of fear and push yourself over the edge.  I had breakfast with Finian last summer of 2005 on Maui, and asked him what the secret was, and he got this distant look on his face and said something like, just get past the fear if you can, but it isn't easy.
 
GPS is a great tool.  Many people think they are going really fast, until they use a gps and see they are not. 

----- Original Message ----
From: Clyde <clydepeggy@hotmail. com>
To: ecfw@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 6:13:24 PM
Subject: [ecfw] Re: Faster

As to a discussion about weird ideas that would make a board go faster,
how weird do you want to get? We could speculate endlessly, but for
what purpose? What might be a little closer to home is a discussion
about what makes you go fast with the gear you already have. Seems as
though you feel that the gear is the key to going fast. Here's a
contrarian point of view: it's the rider who makes the gear go fast.
OK, gear is somwhat important, but not as important as you might think.
Don't let me throw a wet blanket on the fantastic space ships of the
future that might be seeded in a discussion but man, it's the rider who
makes the board go fast... Discuss away...



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#2122 From: Rick Randall <rmr20657@...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: faster: wet on wet or polished?
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The polished vs sanded one has been debated over and over by sailors.  I think the consensus is sanded to between 600 and 1200 is fastest as this creates a "boundary layer" effect that John's dolphin friends have going on.  The book by C.J. Mercaj(sp) "The Aero-hydronamics of Sailing" goes way in depth on this subject.  Essentially the argument is the sanded bottom catches a very thin later of water that stays on the board, and water over water is faster than water flowing over anything else.....

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Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 11:22:26 AM
Subject: [ecfw] faster: wet on wet or polished?

Had a bottlenose dolphin do an underrun past me one day at Ponce Inlet
several years ago. The same day a friend and I swapped from slalom
(mine) to wave (his) and back again. I was back in the old saddle,
and the dolphin passed me sideways giving me the one eyed look
of, "so, you think you're fast, huh?" Studies of dolphins include a
phenom where their skin actually ripples to create a wet on wet
zone... slipperier than polished in these clinical cases. When
somebody beats the dolphin in normal water conditions, not Finian's
ditch, with a polished board, I'll be convinced to start waxing on.

Take your speed to the edge of insanity, day by day. Helps me keep
the fun factors alive. Stick it way up wind, then way off. Keep the
arms as straight as you can. Lift with the lead arm, then both. Pull
your lead arm, with it straight like you are trying to pull your hand
over your head. See what happens. :~)



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#2121 From: Rick Randall <rmr20657@...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Faster
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Is that on Formula gear or on slalom gear?

----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Rayl <mrayl11@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 9:07:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ecfw] Re: Faster

The GPS does tell the tale, I can't get past 29.9 MPH. I want 30!!!!!!!!
Mike

Rick Randall <rmr20657@yahoo. com> wrote:

I would certainly second the opinion that the rider is a huge factor in speed.  The discussion could go in endless directions really.  Are we really talking about real world sailors going faster in a certain range of real world conditions(a productive conversation) or are we trying to dream up something others have pondered endlessly in the quest for ultimate speed?
 
If it is the former, rather than the latter, there are many things a sailor can do to increase speed, beyond the realm of equipment.  As far as equipment goes, generally speaking, the smaller the gear (less wetted surface = less drag) for any given wind condition, the faster you will end up going.  That has to be weighed against the exact conditions in terms of wind/water surface/and sailing angle though.
 
The biggest factor is still the rider.  Holding the rig as upright as possible, and standing steady through the lulls and gusts, adjusting as smoothly as possible is preobably going to add a couple of knots to your ultimate speed.  Picking the "fastest" line through any chop or waves will help tremendously.  This means catching little to no air, riding in the troughs, not across the peaks.  And the really big factor is the desire to let go of fear and push yourself over the edge.  I had breakfast with Finian last summer of 2005 on Maui, and asked him what the secret was, and he got this distant look on his face and said something like, just get past the fear if you can, but it isn't easy.
 
GPS is a great tool.  Many people think they are going really fast, until they use a gps and see they are not. 

----- Original Message ----
From: Clyde <clydepeggy@hotmail. com>
To: ecfw@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 6:13:24 PM
Subject: [ecfw] Re: Faster

As to a discussion about weird ideas that would make a board go faster,
how weird do you want to get? We could speculate endlessly, but for
what purpose? What might be a little closer to home is a discussion
about what makes you go fast with the gear you already have. Seems as
though you feel that the gear is the key to going fast. Here's a
contrarian point of view: it's the rider who makes the gear go fast.
OK, gear is somwhat important, but not as important as you might think.
Don't let me throw a wet blanket on the fantastic space ships of the
future that might be seeded in a discussion but man, it's the rider who
makes the board go fast... Discuss away...



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#2120 From: johni952004
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 4:22 pm
Subject: faster: wet on wet or polished?
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Had a bottlenose dolphin do an underrun past me one day at Ponce Inlet
several years ago.  The same day a friend and I swapped from slalom
(mine) to wave (his) and back again.  I was back in the old saddle,
and the dolphin passed me sideways giving me the one eyed look
of, "so, you think you're fast, huh?"  Studies of dolphins include a
phenom where their skin actually ripples to create a wet on wet
zone...  slipperier than polished in these clinical cases.  When
somebody beats the dolphin in normal water conditions, not Finian's
ditch, with a polished board, I'll be convinced to start waxing on.

Take your speed to the edge of insanity, day by day.  Helps me keep
the fun factors alive.  Stick it way up wind, then way off.  Keep the
arms as straight as you can.  Lift with the lead arm, then both.  Pull
your lead arm, with it straight like you are trying to pull your hand
over your head.  See what happens.  :~)

#2119 From: "floridawavesailor" <floridawavesailor@...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 3:15 pm
Subject: speed with existing gear
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I polish(astroshield) on my boards rails and bottom, even the fin
sometimes and put it on sanded finishes as well as shiny.  Not sure
this is faster than sanding, but it is faster and looser to me than
leaving my gear to accumulate mostly invisible sludge over time.
Also sanding my fin seems to make all the difference.  The little
nicks and grinds at the tip affect my top end, spinout and getting
out of the hole.  I try to hold the sheet of sandpaper and move it
back and forth in the direction of the water flow trying not to take
any more leading edge but rather trying to keep the original shape
of the fin that seems to get distorted and blunted as the leading
edge gets worn down when i insist on beach starting in too shallow
water's edge.

My board, sail, and fin, as well as how they are rigged all affect
my speed.  too much rocker on a wave board and its just slow(my jp
wave is ridiculously fast with my zones), my cores are slower than
my zones, etc.

I had a favorite board, a small angulo with phazers and they really
opened my mind.  Also have been rereading old magazines and the
coverage of the phazers... for me they made the board unbelievably
loose, you simply could move the board at any direction around the
fin, they seemed to only help wave performance.  I did read they
were having problems with them because they were making the boards
too fast for wave performance... might explain why i thought i used
to jump higher.   But they might not work for slalom as they are for
looseness not directional and might mitigate good sharp rails..

I better get out of this conversation and go sit in the 'i don't
think i planed the first three years i sailed and still had a hell
of a lot of fun' corner.. quote from robby naish..    Best wishes,
john in jupiter

#2118 From: Michael Rayl <mrayl11@...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 2:07 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Faster
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The GPS does tell the tale, I can't get past 29.9 MPH. I want 30!!!!!!!!
Mike

Rick Randall <rmr20657@...> wrote:
I would certainly second the opinion that the rider is a huge factor in speed.  The discussion could go in endless directions really.  Are we really talking about real world sailors going faster in a certain range of real world conditions(a productive conversation) or are we trying to dream up something others have pondered endlessly in the quest for ultimate speed?
 
If it is the former, rather than the latter, there are many things a sailor can do to increase speed, beyond the realm of equipment.  As far as equipment goes, generally speaking, the smaller the gear (less wetted surface = less drag) for any given wind condition, the faster you will end up going.  That has to be weighed against the exact conditions in terms of wind/water surface/and sailing angle though.
 
The biggest factor is still the rider.  Holding the rig as upright as possible, and standing steady through the lulls and gusts, adjusting as smoothly as possible is preobably going to add a couple of knots to your ultimate speed.  Picking the "fastest" line through any chop or waves will help tremendously.  This means catching little to no air, riding in the troughs, not across the peaks.  And the really big factor is the desire to let go of fear and push yourself over the edge.  I had breakfast with Finian last summer of 2005 on Maui, and asked him what the secret was, and he got this distant look on his face and said something like, just get past the fear if you can, but it isn't easy.
 
GPS is a great tool.  Many people think they are going really fast, until they use a gps and see they are not. 

----- Original Message ----
From: Clyde <clydepeggy@hotmail.com>
To: ecfw@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 6:13:24 PM
Subject: [ecfw] Re: Faster

As to a discussion about weird ideas that would make a board go faster,
how weird do you want to get? We could speculate endlessly, but for
what purpose? What might be a little closer to home is a discussion
about what makes you go fast with the gear you already have. Seems as
though you feel that the gear is the key to going fast. Here's a
contrarian point of view: it's the rider who makes the gear go fast.
OK, gear is somwhat important, but not as important as you might think.
Don't let me throw a wet blanket on the fantastic space ships of the
future that might be seeded in a discussion but man, it's the rider who
makes the board go fast... Discuss away...



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#2117 From: johni952004
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 10:48 am
Subject: Faster
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While we've been testing gear, I've noticed that there are subtle
differences in gear, yet consistent differences in rider speeds.
Rick said a mouthful when he mentioned keeping the rig upright.  If
the tip of the mast is over the centerline (or closer,) then the
rider will typically be faster.  If overhead or to windward of a
sailor's head, then it is slower.  Why?  Lift.  If the sail's lift
is pulling upward. then it is not as efficient and pulling forward.
The sail has to to held as virtically as possible for optimal speed.

To compound this mast tip issue, trimming the sail for "comfort"
typically leads to less efficient sheeting angles.  In the monohull
sail racing community, "sheet home" is a command for the captain to
and crew to trim the sheets to their optimal angle: usually frickin'
hard.  Now, there are angles of attack where one could oversheet
easily. For instance, oversheeting while testing prototypes (over
the years) usually indicates a lack of leech tension.  One can
notice that when grinding upwind especially.  When one feels a need
for sail trim adjustments, the days of dogmatically blaming a lack
of down haul are over.  Sails are shifting to a level of
sophistication (as a population) where a sailor has to pay attention
more.

BTW, trimming a sail for comfort, to me, is all about power and
topend.  To the detriment of my ability and willingness to explore
planing freestyle moves...  Eddy P. talks about being "centered" in
order to set up any given tricky trick he may do.  Meanwhile I use
the word wound, Finian talks about overcoming fear.  Back to speed.

Nearly everyone has their comfort level of harness line length based
on where they think they want the boom, etc.  If one wants more
speed, is that old hat setting the best?  Experiment.  Higher booms
need longer harness lines set further back.  Draft back d/h and o/h
settings may require that too.  Where one puts the base dictates
boom height as well as how fin will behave.  Lots of trimming and
setting to do.  Try a few.

One last thing, after hours of waffly wind yesterday, the wind came
up,FINALLY, at the BR+R near sun down.  I grabbed the first 6.5 I
could and any old board.  The harness lines were ridiculously short
for me and my seat harness.  I hated it so much, skipped using the
harness for a 10 minute sesh before stopping and lengthening them.
Interesting to sail unhooked for an extended period while BAFing...
Waist harnesses, typically, are slower.

#2116 From: "David Fink" <dfink2@...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 3:31 am
Subject: Re: Re: Faster
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OK here's a dumb newbie question.......
 
What effect would waxing the bottom of the board have? Would the fact that wax repels water make it faster? Would it decrease parasitic drag? Or is the board already as clean as it can get?
----- Original Message -----
From: Clyde
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: [ecfw] Re: Faster

As to a discussion about weird ideas that would make a board go faster,
how weird do you want to get? We could speculate endlessly, but for
what purpose? What might be a little closer to home is a discussion
about what makes you go fast with the gear you already have. Seems as
though you feel that the gear is the key to going fast. Here's a
contrarian point of view: it's the rider who makes the gear go fast.
OK, gear is somwhat important, but not as important as you might think.
Don't let me throw a wet blanket on the fantastic space ships of the
future that might be seeded in a discussion but man, it's the rider who
makes the board go fast... Discuss away...


#2115 From: Rick Randall <rmr20657@...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 1:03 am
Subject: Re: Re: Faster
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I would certainly second the opinion that the rider is a huge factor in speed.  The discussion could go in endless directions really.  Are we really talking about real world sailors going faster in a certain range of real world conditions(a productive conversation) or are we trying to dream up something others have pondered endlessly in the quest for ultimate speed?
 
If it is the former, rather than the latter, there are many things a sailor can do to increase speed, beyond the realm of equipment.  As far as equipment goes, generally speaking, the smaller the gear (less wetted surface = less drag) for any given wind condition, the faster you will end up going.  That has to be weighed against the exact conditions in terms of wind/water surface/and sailing angle though.
 
The biggest factor is still the rider.  Holding the rig as upright as possible, and standing steady through the lulls and gusts, adjusting as smoothly as possible is preobably going to add a couple of knots to your ultimate speed.  Picking the "fastest" line through any chop or waves will help tremendously.  This means catching little to no air, riding in the troughs, not across the peaks.  And the really big factor is the desire to let go of fear and push yourself over the edge.  I had breakfast with Finian last summer of 2005 on Maui, and asked him what the secret was, and he got this distant look on his face and said something like, just get past the fear if you can, but it isn't easy.
 
GPS is a great tool.  Many people think they are going really fast, until they use a gps and see they are not. 

----- Original Message ----
From: Clyde <clydepeggy@...>
To: ecfw@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 6:13:24 PM
Subject: [ecfw] Re: Faster

As to a discussion about weird ideas that would make a board go faster,
how weird do you want to get? We could speculate endlessly, but for
what purpose? What might be a little closer to home is a discussion
about what makes you go fast with the gear you already have. Seems as
though you feel that the gear is the key to going fast. Here's a
contrarian point of view: it's the rider who makes the gear go fast.
OK, gear is somwhat important, but not as important as you might think.
Don't let me throw a wet blanket on the fantastic space ships of the
future that might be seeded in a discussion but man, it's the rider who
makes the board go fast... Discuss away...



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#2114 From: "Clyde" <clydepeggy@...>
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2007 11:13 pm
Subject: Re: Faster
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As to a discussion about weird ideas that would make a board go faster,
how weird do you want to get? We could speculate endlessly, but for
what purpose? What might be a little closer to home is a discussion
about what makes you go fast with the gear you already have. Seems as
though you feel that the gear is the key to going fast. Here's a
contrarian point of view: it's the rider who makes the gear go fast.
OK, gear is somwhat important, but not as important as you might think.
Don't let me throw a wet blanket on the fantastic space ships of the
future that might be seeded in a discussion but man, it's the rider who
makes the board go fast... Discuss away...

#2113 From: attbiggins@...
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2007 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: Faster
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Thank you for the post on the F2. Let's have a discussion about where board design could go in the future to get faster. Let's leave aside formula designs for extreme upwind and downwind racing, and concentrate on top speed.
Please post all your weirdest ideas. And feel free to put this on CalCup too.
 
Finian Maynard set a speed record which is impressive, but cannot be duplicated in real world conditions. I have some questions about maximizing speed in what I would call real world conditions: 10-30 kt wind with 1-2 chop.
 
Looking at powerboat cat/air entrapment designs and catamaran sailboat designs, I wonder if a sailboard should be built with 2 hulls, that allows air to travel under the deck down the middle. You could use 2 fins, one on each side,  or 1 fin which extends down from a platform sticking out the back. Should this board be 50 cm wide or 150 cm wide?
 
Apparently, to control speed in chop, you need hull length. Is there a max hull length for speed? My personal experience is a board over 315 cm is not going to be fast. Why? Again looking at powerboats, apparently the energy used to trim the bow up at speed subtracts from the energy available to increase speed. Could you deploy a kite off the bow like a spinnaker to hold the bow up?
What is the maximum size and weight before a sailboard becomes a boat or becomes too inefficient? Can this be expressed as a percentage of rider body weight?
 
I can reach a board speed about double wind speed in light wind. As wind speed increases, my board speed increases more slowly until I'm hitting about 30 mph in about 30 mph wind.  Finian goes about 50 mph in about 50 mph wind. Is there a spot to aim for which is a most efficient board speed/wind speed ratio?
 
What is the mechanical advantage a sailboard has over any other sailboat? The ability to rake back the mast? Anything else?

#2112 From: Rick Randall <rmr20657@...>
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2007 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: Faster
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The only new board I have ridden is the new F2 Formula.  It is pretty amazing in comparison to last years' version.  It planes faster, carries through the lulls much better, and goes upwind like a rocket.  Off the wind, it is probably one notch down from 2006.  Downwind through chop is quite scary the first time with that big nose, but it works fine.  The board likes to be very powered up with an ability to carry a huge sail, the acceleration is phenomenal.  It really likes a very soft fin more than a medium or stiff one.   Although some question the cutouts, they must work, as this board goes better with it's plates removed in all but the lightest of conditions.  In a quick comparison of gps results yesterday between a sailor on the F2 with a North 11.9 and one on a new Mikes' Lab and Neil Pryde 12.5, the F2 sailor was almost 5 knots faster on the top speed, and was 3 knots faster upwind.  The F2 had a Kashy xs 70, the Mike's lab a Deboichet.  We will see what happens at the Alex Caviglia regatta this weekend, hopefully some other "new" boards might be there to mix it up.
 


 
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I would be interested in having a discussion about going faster, namely new board design.


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#2111 From: attbiggins@...
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2007 11:22 am
Subject: Re: Faster
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I would be interested in having a discussion about going faster, namely new board design.

#2110 From: "Clyde" <clydepeggy@...>
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2007 1:55 pm
Subject: Faster
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Windsurfing's universal thrill is going fast. We may not be able to
jibe or tack well, but getting on a plane is what keeps us coming
back for more. We all would like to go a little faster. Peter Hart's
new dvd, Faster, is intended to help us all, go a little faster.

Peter has teamed up with his good mate Dave White, to produce an
informative and sometimes funny presentation on improving your speed
on the water. Not only do you get help from Pete and Whitey, there is
a lot of help also coming from Finian Maynard, Bjorn Dunkerbeck,
Antoine Albeau and Karin Jaggi: a who's who list of current world
speed record holders.

A two thumbs up effort to educate us all on a topic you will learn,
is not that straightforward, sometimes counter intuitive and can be
quite different from one world record holder to the next. Peter
Hart's Faster is worth the price of admission.

You can buy this dvd at Brian Caserio's Sideoff Video.

http://www.sideoff.com/

For a clip of this dvd check out Peter Hart's website.

http://www.peter-hart.com

#2109 From: "floridawavesailor" <floridawavesailor@...>
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2007 2:54 pm
Subject: RRRRR .... Cursed Pirates
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Yep, I did a family trip to disney(i am not the kids, i am the daddy
of them).   Unlike the last few trips where it has gone off bigtime,
there was hope i wasn't going to miss anything, perhaps a bit of
marginal on friday...    Well my cell starts ringing there and i
guess thursday had some north swell, not big but there, and se winds
holding the faces up in the late afternoon low tide... then friday
ends up blowing good(many phone calls)sideshore sse, less swell but
still there and local se waves.   When it blows and i can't go
there is an utter uselessness about me, no fun, no frolic, better to
not be around me.   Is it true what doesn't kill us makes us
stronger?  If so then i'm better for it but not convinced.. going to
try and take that feeling into trying a few loops never before
attempted if it will blow on a day or moment off.

Not sure where to stay locally here, but with the warm temps, you
don't want to pass wind to get to it.. so i would think exploring
the way down south once reaching temperatures you are comfortable
with.   Seek and you shall find?   Did anybody sail these last few
days?  And still wanting to read about favorite equipment, boards,
sails, fins, etc.   Best wishes,  john in jupiter

p.s.  Iwindsurf has free access to past wind info so even if not a
member you can check on what the winds did at their member only
locations(like jupiter).  I use it to help compare what was
experienced on the water vs what was on the actual recorded graph.

#2108 From: vincent_h_barre
Date: Fri Jan 5, 2007 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: I'm the new user from France :-)
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Hi,

OK I may not be the best local but I have a language advantage, so
zis is how to get zere....

- De Ft Lauterdale, descendre sur la I95 sud (c'est l'autoroute
principal Nord/Sud) pendant a peu pres 30 miles (48 kilometres).
Attention a la limite de vitesse, elle est moins elevee qu'en France
et il y a beaucoup de radars embarques.
- Suivre la 95 jusqu'apres le centre ville de Miami (gratte ciels) et
sortir a Rickenbacker Cswy direction Key Biscane.
- Passer le Peage.
- Juste apres le peage il y a un petit ilot etroit sur lequel est
plante la route et il faut sortir a droite vers la petite plage au
sud de l'ilot qui donne sur la baie.
- A cet endroit il doit y avoir une remorque avec la location de
planche (voir le site Web que Rick a envoye pour horaires, etc).
- Pour plus de details va sur maps.google.com et tapes "Rickenbacker
Cswy, Miami, FL 33133". La fleche verte est pile poil sur la loc de
planche. Avec la vue aeriene tu peux meme voir a quoi ca ressemble.

Hope you have fun.

Vincent.


--- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, nico_lenoir <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Salut Vincent, Hi Rick !
>
> Thanks for your answers Vincent and Rick :-)
> Sorry, but I don't understand where is the base of
causeway...Delray,
> Fort Laderdale or Miami ?
>
> Nicolas.
>
>
> --- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, vincent_h_barre <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Salut Nicolas!
> >
> > La Floride est un super coin pour la planche, surtout a cette
> epoque de
> > l'annee.
> > The sailing at the base of the causeway that Rick mentionned in
his
> > reply is really good for FW and slalom. I rented there a few
years
> ago
> > and it was fun.
> > If you get the occasion to go in the ocean the waves are not too
> > difficult. Ask locals for good launch spots.
> >
> > Hope you have a great time in Florida!
> >
> > Salutations.
> > Vincent. FRA5495.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, nico_lenoir <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > I'm Nicolas LENOIR from France.
> > > I join this group because i'll go to Delray for holidays from
the
> 8th
> > > to the 21th of february and I'd like to know how is it possible
> to
> > > practise windsurfing around Delray.
> > >
> > > I like Formula windsurfing, slalom 42 and freeride.
> > > I 'd like to learn wave windsurfing.
> > >
> > > Where is it possible to rent windsurfing equipment ?
> > > Is there a surfshop to buy equipment ?
> > > Where are the good locations to have windsurfing ?
> > >
> > > Thanks for informations and good wind :-)
> > >
> >
>

#2107 From: nico_lenoir
Date: Fri Jan 5, 2007 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: I'm the new user from France :-)
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Salut Vincent, Hi Rick !

Thanks for your answers Vincent and Rick :-)
Sorry, but I don't understand where is the base of causeway...Delray,
Fort Laderdale or Miami ?

Nicolas.


--- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, vincent_h_barre <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Salut Nicolas!
>
> La Floride est un super coin pour la planche, surtout a cette
epoque de
> l'annee.
> The sailing at the base of the causeway that Rick mentionned in his
> reply is really good for FW and slalom. I rented there a few years
ago
> and it was fun.
> If you get the occasion to go in the ocean the waves are not too
> difficult. Ask locals for good launch spots.
>
> Hope you have a great time in Florida!
>
> Salutations.
> Vincent. FRA5495.
>
>
>
> --- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, nico_lenoir <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > I'm Nicolas LENOIR from France.
> > I join this group because i'll go to Delray for holidays from the
8th
> > to the 21th of february and I'd like to know how is it possible
to
> > practise windsurfing around Delray.
> >
> > I like Formula windsurfing, slalom 42 and freeride.
> > I 'd like to learn wave windsurfing.
> >
> > Where is it possible to rent windsurfing equipment ?
> > Is there a surfshop to buy equipment ?
> > Where are the good locations to have windsurfing ?
> >
> > Thanks for informations and good wind :-)
> >
>

#2106 From: vincent_h_barre
Date: Fri Jan 5, 2007 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: I'm the new user from France :-)
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Salut Nicolas!

La Floride est un super coin pour la planche, surtout a cette epoque de
l'annee.
The sailing at the base of the causeway that Rick mentionned in his
reply is really good for FW and slalom. I rented there a few years ago
and it was fun.
If you get the occasion to go in the ocean the waves are not too
difficult. Ask locals for good launch spots.

Hope you have a great time in Florida!

Salutations.
Vincent. FRA5495.



--- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, nico_lenoir <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I'm Nicolas LENOIR from France.
> I join this group because i'll go to Delray for holidays from the 8th
> to the 21th of february and I'd like to know how is it possible to
> practise windsurfing around Delray.
>
> I like Formula windsurfing, slalom 42 and freeride.
> I 'd like to learn wave windsurfing.
>
> Where is it possible to rent windsurfing equipment ?
> Is there a surfshop to buy equipment ?
> Where are the good locations to have windsurfing ?
>
> Thanks for informations and good wind :-)
>

#2105 From: Rick Randall <rmr20657@...>
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2007 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: I'm the new user from France :-)
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Closest shop to Delray Beach is Waterplay in Ft Lauderdale.  Rentals the closest would be in Miami at Sailboards Miami.  Check out www.windsurfingmiami.com for info on local formula info.  Come on down and join the fun!
 
RR 

----- Original Message ----
From: nico_lenoir <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: ecfw@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:07:55 AM
Subject: [ecfw] I'm the new user from France :-)

Hi.

I'm Nicolas LENOIR from France.
I join this group because i'll go to Delray for holidays from the 8th
to the 21th of february and I'd like to know how is it possible to
practise windsurfing around Delray.

I like Formula windsurfing, slalom 42 and freeride.
I 'd like to learn wave windsurfing.

Where is it possible to rent windsurfing equipment ?
Is there a surfshop to buy equipment ?
Where are the good locations to have windsurfing ?

Thanks for informations and good wind :-)



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#2104 From: nico_lenoir
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2007 4:07 pm
Subject: I'm the new user from France :-)
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Hi.

I'm Nicolas LENOIR from France.
I join this group because i'll go to Delray for holidays from the 8th
to the 21th of february and I'd like to know how is it possible to
practise windsurfing around Delray.

I like Formula windsurfing, slalom 42 and freeride.
I 'd like to learn wave windsurfing.

Where is it possible to rent windsurfing equipment ?
Is there a surfshop to buy equipment ?
Where are the good locations to have windsurfing ?

Thanks for informations and good wind :-)

#2103 From: mshim82261@...
Date: Tue Jan 2, 2007 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: JP
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 John I need no coaxing!  Where do I stay for an extended stay ?
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: floridawavesailor@...
To: ecfw@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: [ecfw] JP

His jp is a year or two old, not 2007, and 84 liter. the front is
probably not flipped up enough for me to do everything us old style
guys do.. i don't flip around and ride tail first unless by accident
so the front of a board for me is better with good flip and rocker to
bail me out of pearling. It seems there are alot of really good
boards out there now with shorter lengths and good width. I do alot
of non planing backwind and tack moments and would not want a board
too short with no front like some have been getting but there are alot
that are just great shapes with good float to plane quick in a shorter
length. Unfortunately other than magazines, i haven't had a chance
to go ride and test different boards and find the best of the best.
Any favorites out there?

At this time of year i am often coaxing people to come here and sail
but with the warm temperatures everywhere my main selling point is
nonexistent.. usually this time of year i don't travel much, my west
coast and further north trips are on standby due to water temps in the
lower 60's or upper 50's but seems summmerlike everywhere... john in
jupiter.


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#2102 From: vincent_h_barre
Date: Tue Jan 2, 2007 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: Days and daze of E and SE winds in Brevard
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Hi,

It was very nice week indeed. Glad you had fun in the waves. I took the
flat water option and sailed several times using 11.0 and 9.8 @ Calema
and in some inland lakes in Orlando. Got wound-up real good every time.
At the end of the week I was really dialed in for those moderate winds
and it felt awesome to glide, almost effortless, at about twice the
windspeed!
What's good with modern gear is that you can choose how you want to
sail in most conditions!

Vincent.




--- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, johni952004 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> For about a month now, we've seen lots of El Nino light winds.  Warm
> temps have been nice.  Swells have been too.  The Kona has allowed me
> to enjoy day after day of side shore to side off winds and waves,
> sometimes, well over head high.  Granted most wave rides on a long
> board are not nearly as flashy and snappy as the same on a short
> board, but fun nonetheless.  Also, it has taught me patience in
> setting up wave entries as well as choosing the right moves.
>

#2101 From: johni952004
Date: Tue Jan 2, 2007 12:19 pm
Subject: Days and daze of E and SE winds in Brevard
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For about a month now, we've seen lots of El Nino light winds.  Warm
temps have been nice.  Swells have been too.  The Kona has allowed me
to enjoy day after day of side shore to side off winds and waves,
sometimes, well over head high.  Granted most wave rides on a long
board are not nearly as flashy and snappy as the same on a short
board, but fun nonetheless.  Also, it has taught me patience in
setting up wave entries as well as choosing the right moves.

#2100 From: "floridawavesailor" <floridawavesailor@...>
Date: Tue Jan 2, 2007 11:31 am
Subject: JP
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His jp is a year or two old, not 2007, and 84 liter.  the front is
probably not flipped up enough for me to do everything us old style
guys do.. i don't flip around and ride tail first unless by accident
so the front of a board for me is better with good flip and rocker to
bail me out of pearling.    It seems there are alot of really good
boards out there now with shorter lengths and good width.  I do alot
of non planing backwind and tack moments and would not want a board
too short with no front like some have been getting but there are alot
that are just great shapes with good float to plane quick in a shorter
length.   Unfortunately other than magazines, i haven't had a chance
to go ride and test different boards and find the best of the best.
Any favorites out there?

At this time of year i am often coaxing people to come here and sail
but with the warm temperatures everywhere my main selling point is
nonexistent.. usually this time of year i don't travel much, my west
coast and further north trips are on standby due to water temps in the
lower 60's or upper 50's but seems summmerlike everywhere...  john in
jupiter.

#2099 From: "David Fink" <dfink2@...>
Date: Tue Jan 2, 2007 12:03 am
Subject: Re: three days in a row
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Great to hear it John,
 
I was out on the Banana River this afternoon. Wind was moderate (10-15) and I practiced turning techniques. It was rather blustery with occasional showers but I had a nice time. I couldn't coax anyone else out for some fun in the rain. Can't say as I blame them.
 
Dave
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: [ecfw] three days in a row

Sideshore sse winds this monday started to blow so i had to go. 5.4
again with freestyle board for two hours from late morning into early
afternoon, low tide, small waves, extremely breezy, extremely powered
in a good way. tons of jumps and even got a fast bottom turn with
nice off the top with the help of a shoulder high pitching peak to
throw me back down with speed. I was getting upwind really fast so
did a lot of speed runs with carving 360's on the smooth inside.. also
was nice to 360 on the way out in front of peaking waves.

Rode my friends jp freestyle wave84 and it seemed really nice, smaller
than my rrd twintip, better to turn and still really fast to plane but
it had his sail that made exact comparison uncertain... i think my
sail and that board would be sweet(oh no want another board(s)).

Kiters mentioned the energy in the wind and saw a few other sailors
and many kiters. 2007 is starting off the way 2006 ended... Best
wishes from the southeast corner of central florida, john in jupiter.


#2098 From: mshim82261@...
Date: Tue Jan 2, 2007 2:21 am
Subject: Re: three days in a row
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John I am curious if the JP you mentioned was a 2007?  
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: floridawavesailor@...
To: ecfw@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: [ecfw] three days in a row

Sideshore sse winds this monday started to blow so i had to go. 5.4
again with freestyle board for two hours from late morning into early
afternoon, low tide, small waves, extremely breezy, extremely powered
in a good way. tons of jumps and even got a fast bottom turn with
nice off the top with the help of a shoulder high pitching peak to
throw me back down with speed. I was getting upwind really fast so
did a lot of speed runs with carving 360's on the smooth inside.. also
was nice to 360 on the way out in front of peaking waves.

Rode my friends jp freestyle wave84 and it seemed really nice, smaller
than my rrd twintip, better to turn and still really fast to plane but
it had his sail that made exact comparison uncertain... i think my
sail and that board would be sweet(oh no want another board(s)).

Kiters mentioned the energy in the wind and saw a few other sailors
and many kiters. 2007 is starting off the way 2006 ended... Best
wishes from the southeast corner of central florida, john in jupiter.


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#2097 From: "floridawavesailor" <floridawavesailor@...>
Date: Mon Jan 1, 2007 11:32 pm
Subject: three days in a row
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Sideshore sse winds this monday started to blow so i had to go.  5.4
again with freestyle board for two hours from late morning into early
afternoon, low tide, small waves, extremely breezy, extremely powered
in a good way.   tons of jumps and even got a fast bottom turn with
nice off the top with the help of a shoulder high pitching peak to
throw me back down with speed.  I was getting upwind really fast so
did a lot of speed runs with carving 360's on the smooth inside.. also
was nice to 360 on the way out in front of peaking waves.

Rode my friends jp freestyle wave84 and it seemed really nice, smaller
than my rrd twintip, better to turn and still really fast to plane but
it had his sail that made exact comparison uncertain... i think my
sail and that board would be sweet(oh no want another board(s)).

Kiters mentioned the energy in the wind and saw a few other sailors
and many kiters.  2007 is starting off the way 2006 ended...  Best
wishes from the southeast corner of central florida,  john in jupiter.

#2096 From: attbiggins@...
Date: Mon Jan 1, 2007 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: windy again early
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Got to Seb Inlet lagoon at noon on Sun. A few other sailors out, S at 14-18 all afternoon. The sun was directly in my eyes and it got unbearable.
When I got there a kiter told me that a Marine Patrol officer had warned him out of a manatee zone. I talked to a park officer and a sheriff's deputy in a boat, they both said sailors should have no problem.
I believe the Marine Patrol officer was misinformed.
Even if he is wrong, the manatee protection laws have gone past the point of absurdity. We could be next.

#2095 From: "floridawavesailor" <floridawavesailor@...>
Date: Mon Jan 1, 2007 2:19 am
Subject: windy again early
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Since the wind wouldn't go away i did corners again at low tide from
10am till noon, same 5.4 but 80liter wave board this  time.  It was
windy early then faded during late morning.  Winds had a bit more se
angle but became more onshore as the morning went on..  noticed i was
standing in waist deep clear water at launch, no shorebreak, very warm
with shells visible on the bottom..  Nothing spectacular sailing wise,
got  some backside hits and slashes, couple bottom turns.. less
airtime.  A lot more kites were on it early and had a few close
moments, almost ran over a downed kiter and kite in a closeout set,
nose to nose on the inside with another one, also a kite almost took
out two small kids on a loud kite crash, i ended up diving on the
loose kite(got tangled in lines but pinned the leading edge down into
the sand) to keep it out of families on the beach.. but damn those
guys were spinning tweaking looping and crashing it well.. i'm
definitely too old and smart for those kinda wipeouts(most of the
time).

  Looks like another overnight wind surge could happen with something
closer to sideshore, northeast swell might be about gone and don't
think the wind will last for too long after the morning session.
Happy New Year!   john in jupiter

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