Ok- sage advice needed.  I made it out to the space between the
inner and outer breaks at Huguenot (North Jetties) on Saturday, with
winds ENE (almost directly onshore) 15-23, and had fun blasting
along between the breakers.  It didn't seem worth trying to punch
through the outside in such onshore conditions - I felt sure I would
be denied and at Huguenot, the outside breakers were breaking over a
considerable distance and were easily overhead.  Sunday was not good
at all - slightly more sideshore at Jax beach but lighter winds and
outside waves having about an 8-10 second period.  The wind was
about 15mph but lighter behind the waves. I was on a 6.4.  By the
time I hit the whitewater of the second wave on the outside (about
chest to head high), and almost out the back of the outside
breakers, I had no momentum to keep going straight into the waves
and no time or wind to bear off to gain speed to punch into the next
one.  So it just nailed me.  The board and rig headed back to the
beach without me and I caught up with it before it got to the
shorebreak.  I ditched the waist harness - I felt like I couldn't
catch my breath with the neoprene belt on the harness and in the
wetsuit adding to the challenge of catching up to the board.  The
harness floated in behind me and was easy to retrieve.  No damage
but it wasn't much fun.  Were the conditions not sailable or am I
missing something?  An idea of the conditions can be seen on
Sunday's surf-station.com surf report (the forum has the archives). 
It seems like the critical hurdle is getting past the impact zone on
the outside break.  If you fall on the inside break (assuming you
made it past the shorepound), it isn't that big a deal to beach
start or water start and get back going.  But if you fall in the
impact zone of big outside break waves with a short period between
them, and an onshore wind, the ocean seems pretty unforgiving.  Add
to that, if you have speed entering the impact zone of the outside
break, you are going to get launched for a huge air, upon which time
you will land with no speed right in the impact zone of an oncoming
wave.  I'm not giving up, so any tips from the wavesailors are
appreciated.  Thanks.

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sailing the wrong venue if avoidable.  Would Hanna Park been a better
choice both days?  Planing thru the impact zone is more critical the
more onshore it is.  What about that bay north of Hugenaut?  Little
Talbot Park? (screw the shark myths, we're hip deep in 'em most
anywhere in the break anyway.) Sideshore, or an inlet one can get by
with alot less wind.

Yes, the waist harness is over rated in my humble opinion.  I cannot
get the rig to deliver the most for me with one.  Yet, Eddy P. and Sam
Whitmore are very efficient with their's.  Good for them, I'm not
going to change my sailing for ?????

When picking your way thru the different sections of breaks, it is all
a matter of patience and judgement.  When in doubt run away is the
typical rule for me.  Run downwind of anything that may arrest the
momentum I'd rather give up more real estate than lose the plane.
Pinching upwind of a wave may force a stalling jump upwind: bad news
for the next few waves coming behind it.  Once you get used to running
ahead of the break, lots of opp's open up. I have had some of my more
memmorable wave rides, for onshore days, running with the wave,
sailing backside, going out.  Takes some practice and thinking outside
the box, but very doable.  Lipslides and dark flips await.

When going over whitewater off the wind, practice not jumping.  There
is a slight raising of the nose, split second sheeting out to prevent
jumping motion that also compensates for the arrested momentum effect
of the wave.  Hooking in prematurely also has its pitfalls...  That's
the last step for me the sketchier the conditions are.  Fully planing,
no problem, barely, not usually.

Onshore sailing forces one to become a more opportunistic/
circumspective sailor.  Picking the right momment to find that right
seam in between the break comes with practice.  As does picking the
right venue.

Ok- sage advice needed.  I made it out to the space between the
inner and outer breaks at Huguenot (North Jetties) on Saturday, with
winds ENE (almost directly onshore) 15-23, and had fun blasting
along between the breakers.  It didn't seem worth trying to punch
through the outside in such onshore conditions - I felt sure I would
be denied and at Huguenot, the outside breakers were breaking over a
considerable distance and were easily overhead.  Sunday was not good
at all - slightly more sideshore at Jax beach but lighter winds and
outside waves having about an 8-10 second period.  The wind was
about 15mph but lighter behind the waves. I was on a 6.4.  By the
time I hit the whitewater of the second wave on the outside (about
chest to head high), and almost out the back of the outside
breakers, I had no momentum to keep going straight into the waves
and no time or wind to bear off to gain speed to punch into the next
one.  So it just nailed me.  The board and rig headed back to the
beach without me and I caught up with it before it got to the
shorebreak.  I ditched the waist harness - I felt like I couldn't
catch my breath with the neoprene belt on the harness and in the
wetsuit adding to the challenge of catching up to the board.  The
harness floated in behind me and was easy to retrieve.  No damage
but it wasn't much fun.  Were the conditions not sailable or am I
missing something?  An idea of the conditions can be seen on
Sunday's surf-station.com surf report (the forum has the archives).
It seems like the critical hurdle is getting past the impact zone on
the outside break.  If you fall on the inside break (assuming you
made it past the shorepound), it isn't that big a deal to beach
start or water start and get back going.  But if you fall in the
impact zone of big outside break waves with a short period between
them, and an onshore wind, the ocean seems pretty unforgiving.  Add
to that, if you have speed entering the impact zone of the outside
break, you are going to get launched for a huge air, upon which time
you will land with no speed right in the impact zone of an oncoming
wave.  I'm not giving up, so any tips from the wavesailors are
appreciated.  Thanks.

We had to wait for it but for those that endured, it was worth it. Before 2:00 the wind was quite sketchy, but after, it started to improve and kept getting better. So the faithful were rewarded with a strengthening wind and waves. Quite a nice crowd of 12 to 15 and alot of you, I had never seen at Jetty. The Jetty Club for the month of April must be 30 plus.

With winds increasing to 20 and beyond and this being a Saturday, I bet this was probably one of the busiest windsurfing days of the year. A couple of you did a big downwinder but got caught by the late morning lull. Heard that Kelly was packed. Stopped by the BRR  and caught Josh in the middle of giving friends a lesson. And I bet Scurrah's Landing was busy. Anyone care to report?

And you guessed it, the forecasters are egging us on with good winds for the next 2 days.

Forgot the Link. NW Windtalker

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/NW-WINDTALK/

Headed there in July, any information would be appreciated. It's been
10 years since the wife and I went on our honeymoon.
Mike

So what did I miss today?  Looked at the jetty park came in the late
afternoon and saw a lot of sails virtualy stationary. 

Maybe the wind is just waiting for me, as I have time on Saturday.

John T.

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the Ron Jon zone would have been worth it.  I hate that traffic thru
Cocoa Beach.  Waves at Jetty were a joke.  Shore pound at BR+R is not
very nice though.  The drive to picnic's definitley worth it from
there...  BR+R's break is singularly wierd.  Worx okay for surfing,
but isn't really good for WS'g.

Well John it wasn't very pretty at Jetty Park. I hear Bruce came early and may have got the best of the wind at least according to the wind sensors. When i got there around 3:00 the wind was shifty and very up and very down with the emphasis on down. But the faithful kept at it, making the best of what was offered. Actually enjoyed watching John and Christian working the 1 to 2 foot swell going frontside occasionally. As for me, I felt pretty drained from yesterday's sail and opted for yucking it up with Larry and watching the show.

Went by the BRR to check up on the feline family that recently moved in and caught Alex and Eddy headed for G&B's backyard. The wind was about the same as Jetty but the waves were 4 to 6 feet according to Eddy and rideable. This was Alex's 2nd wave sesh and the shorebreak was way more challenging than his previous adventure at Jetty. He got thru the shorebreak with aplomb only to be taken out by a 4 footer that broke right on him and he was  back on the beach. His first rinse cycle. His next 2 attempts at getting thru the break were perfect. We all winced as a breaking wave delivered a serious body check we were sure would take him out, but didn't. Undettered he kept heading out to where the wind was strong enough to keep him planing most of the time. Alex did really well jibing. He sailed a 5.8 and a 102 l. board.

So what did I miss today?  Looked at the jetty park came in the late
afternoon and saw a lot of sails virtualy stationary.

Maybe the wind is just waiting for me, as I have time on Saturday.

John T.

Hi,

If the wind is not almost completely sideshore the new buildings at
12th and 13th kill the wind right at the surf line, esp if there is a
litle bit of North in it. If I go I'll try a little south in Ponte
Vedra. But most likely I won't be able to go today.

Best regards.

Vincent.



--- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas McGugan" <wndsrfr48@...> wrote:
>
> North wind looks good at Jax Beach, Blowing about 13 mph @ 9:00.
> Waves are building but shouldn't be a problem.  12th and 13th
street
> parking spots are pretty filled with construction workers building
> satins' alters, otherwise known as hirise condos, but if you go a
> street or two down, parking should be available.  Hope to see one
or
> two guys out today, as I don't like sailing alone.  Hope to see you
> there.
>
> Keep sailing,
> Pat
>

Looks gooood for Jetty today and if the forecast comes true, the
weekend also. Perfect oppurtunity for anyone who wants to try some
ocean sailing. Expecting most everyone will be there. Low tide is 2:30.

Yesterday's westerly turned into good blasting fun late in the
afternoon.

North wind looks good at Jax Beach, Blowing about 13 mph @ 9:00.
Waves are building but shouldn't be a problem.  12th and 13th street
parking spots are pretty filled with construction workers building
satins' alters, otherwise known as hirise condos, but if you go a
street or two down, parking should be available.  Hope to see one or
two guys out today, as I don't like sailing alone.  Hope to see you
there.

Keep sailing,
Pat

I just noticed that Jerry's most recent post did not have a "Send
Email" button because he has elected to keep his email address private.

Thanks Jerry for providing the contact information as this should be
the standard for anyone who elects to keep their email address
private. It really helps in actually selling the stuff that has been
offered and avoids the panic that ensues from the eager buyers.

To Everyone, sorry for the confusion about the New Rule post and the
subsequent, The New Ex Rule post. I hope everybody understands the
issue and we can move on.

I'm going sailing!

Sorry there was no contact information. I thought my e-mail address was
in the post. I've been out of town on business and just got back.
Nothing has been sold in my absence. My telephone number is 321-733-
0372 or 321-794-9513.


Jerry

8.0 Simmer Zero Seven- used twice- $75
5.5 Aerotech Charge- used once- $50
Neil Pryde X5 185cm plus booms- $50, excellent
490 cm Powerex Z-Free Mast (75% carbon)-used 5 times -perfect- $50
F2 Axis 268cm-85L-very good conditon- $50

Jakub, isn't the mast a 520?

jakub wielicki <jakubwielicki@...> wrote:

anyone interested in buying a formula board and complete rig ?

board: ahd 945onek white racing board 2002 model
sail: 9.8 gaastra nitro4 kp pro
mast gaastra ignition 550
boom: fiberspar 225-278

all other hardware, fin, boad bag, base extension included

don't really know how much I can sell it all for but offers are welcome on complete rig or individual gear

Rick Randall <rmr20657@...> wrote:

Great rule.

5.9 Maui Sails TR1 or Gaastra 6.3 Nitro 2

Rick Randall
rmr20657@...

--- attbiggins@... wrote:

> Good rule.
> 
> Is their someplace to buy a tuttle fin screw in a
> regular store without  mail
> order?
> 
> I need to replace an old 5.5, 4 cam Hot Sails Maui.
> Can anyone recommend a 
> fast sail for flatwater speed in 25 mph wind?
> 
> 
>


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anyone interested in buying a formula board and complete rig ?

board: ahd 945onek white racing board 2002 model
sail: 9.8 gaastra nitro4 kp pro
mast gaastra ignition 550
boom: fiberspar 225-278

all other hardware, fin, boad bag, base extension included

don't really know how much I can sell it all for but offers are welcome on complete rig or individual gear

Rick Randall <rmr20657@...> wrote:

Great rule.

5.9 Maui Sails TR1 or Gaastra 6.3 Nitro 2

Rick Randall
rmr20657@...

--- attbiggins@... wrote:

> Good rule.
> 
> Is their someplace to buy a tuttle fin screw in a
> regular store without  mail
> order?
> 
> I need to replace an old 5.5, 4 cam Hot Sails Maui.
> Can anyone recommend a 
> fast sail for flatwater speed in 25 mph wind?
> 
> 
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- for 1/4-20, normal 'merican stainless tuttle fin screws:  most
hardware stores.

- for stainless metric fin screws:  Sandy Point Progressive Sports
(South Daytona), www.progressivesports.com; Calema (Merritt Island),
www.calema.com .  Most fins have metric unless somebody replaced the
barrel nuts with 1/4-20 ones.  You can find plain steel metric bolts at
hardware stores but they are basically disposable.

In either case, you need to know what length you need because length
for tuttle screws is not standardized - it primarily has to do with how
thick the board is in the tail.

As to new rules, I think people who post stuff for sale without having
any contact information will figure it out.  It has provided some
entertainment, though.

--- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, attbiggins@... wrote:
>
> Good rule.
> 
> Is their someplace to buy a tuttle fin screw in a regular store
without  mail
> order?
> 
> I need to replace an old 5.5, 4 cam Hot Sails Maui. Can anyone
recommend a 
> fast sail for flatwater speed in 25 mph wind?
>

OK, No need for rules. Anyone who posts to this group, even if they
have elected to keep their email address private can recieve emails by
cliking on the "Send Email Button". So there is a defacto contact
point if you post "gear for sail".

Proper forum etiquette for doing business should be between the
parties privately. The Macy's bargain basement atmosphere was amusing.

If you want to list your gear for sale take a look at the Database on
the Website. Just in case you don't sell it immediately someone might
go back looking for that special something.

The NW Windtalker Yahoo email group allows members, they have 650, to
post For Sale stuff only on Wednesday.

There were 3 of us who had a great sail at the Landing today. The
wind/seabreeze was better than yesterday. The wind kicked off around
4:30. Sailed until dark. I will be sore tomorrow.

Great rule.

5.9 Maui Sails TR1 or Gaastra 6.3 Nitro 2

Rick Randall
rmr20657@...

--- attbiggins@... wrote:

> Good rule.
> 
> Is their someplace to buy a tuttle fin screw in a
> regular store without  mail
> order?
> 
> I need to replace an old 5.5, 4 cam Hot Sails Maui.
> Can anyone recommend a 
> fast sail for flatwater speed in 25 mph wind?
> 
> 
>


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Great rule.

5.9 Maui Sails TR1 or Gaastra 6.3 Nitro 2

Rick Randall
rmr20657@...

--- attbiggins@... wrote:

> Good rule.
>
> Is their someplace to buy a tuttle fin screw in a
> regular store without  mail
> order?
>
> I need to replace an old 5.5, 4 cam Hot Sails Maui.
> Can anyone recommend a
> fast sail for flatwater speed in 25 mph wind?
>
>
>


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- for 1/4-20, normal 'merican stainless tuttle fin screws:  most
hardware stores.

- for stainless metric fin screws:  Sandy Point Progressive Sports
(South Daytona), www.progressivesports.com; Calema (Merritt Island),
www.calema.com .  Most fins have metric unless somebody replaced the
barrel nuts with 1/4-20 ones.  You can find plain steel metric bolts at
hardware stores but they are basically disposable.

In either case, you need to know what length you need because length
for tuttle screws is not standardized - it primarily has to do with how
thick the board is in the tail.

As to new rules, I think people who post stuff for sale without having
any contact information will figure it out.  It has provided some
entertainment, though.

--- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, attbiggins@... wrote:
>
> Good rule.
>
> Is their someplace to buy a tuttle fin screw in a regular store
without  mail
> order?
>
> I need to replace an old 5.5, 4 cam Hot Sails Maui. Can anyone
recommend a
> fast sail for flatwater speed in 25 mph wind?
>

If you want to use the ECFW to sell windsurfing equipment you must
list a contact point, either phone number or email address. Once you
announce your "for sale gear" all other related business must be done
elsewhere.

--- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, jerrydasson <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> 8.0 Simmer Zero Seven- used twice- $75
> 5.5 Aerotech Charge- used once- $50
> Neil Pryde X5 185cm plus booms- $50, excellent
> 490 cm Powerex Z-Free Mast (75% carbon)-used 5 times -perfect- $50
> F2 Axis 268cm-85L-very good conditon- $50
>
Tom, Mike, Chris- call if you're still interested. Nothing has bee sold yet. Sorry, I'm sending this from my Treo

--- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, jerrydasson <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> 8.0 Simmer Zero Seven- used twice- $75
> 5.5 Aerotech Charge- used once- $50
> Neil Pryde X5 185cm plus booms- $50, excellent
> 490 cm Powerex Z-Free Mast (75% carbon)-used 5 times -perfect- $50
> F2 Axis 268cm-85L-very good conditon- $50
>
Mike, Chris, Tom- call if you're still interested. Nothing has been sold yet.
Sorry, I'm doing this from my Treo!

--- In ecfw@yahoogroups.com, jerrydasson <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> 8.0 Simmer Zero Seven- used twice- $75
> 5.5 Aerotech Charge- used once- $50
> Neil Pryde X5 185cm plus booms- $50, excellent
> 490 cm Powerex Z-Free Mast (75% carbon)-used 5 times -perfect- $50
> F2 Axis 268cm-85L-very good conditon- $50
>
Tom, Mike, Chris- call if you're still interested. Nothing has bee sold yet.
Sorry, I'm sending this from my Treo

I have a AHD G-Ride 59 90 liter board  $500
check out the Calema Website for a photo and details

http://www.calema.com/index.php?
main_page=product_info&cPath=14_18&products_id=77&zenid=0de5a825d210b4
14e8cf8e52bf9a08ae

Also,

2--05 Ezzy WaveSE sails

6.9

6.3

Both take 460 mast.

Which I also have 2 Powerex Z-wave that I will sell.

I haven't determined price for sails yet they have only been used
once.

Email me @ Scottytemail@... if interested, thanks