Thanks for the reminder.   I do realize that.  I agree with your statement "we
have to argue about something, otherwise all there is to do is ride."

Sometimes I get a little down.

  Just that  I have been informed by a few select persons in so many words in
the past that this original OEF yahoo forum is a dinosaur with no function
and needed to be killed asap.  Yet I (and  the former group owner Dennis
Lee) never believed that and kept it ongoing despite the difficulties had on
occasions with some people.   Forums are for communication and
discussions.  The comments and arguments  on the above is  just additional
proof that there is value to this simple forum.

  Rest assured, passing on of any related bike info will be continued
regardless of what criticisms may come my way. - Amy



On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM, trailjedi@... <trailjedi@...>wrote:

>
>
> We have to argue about something, otherwise all there is to do is ride;-)
>
> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
> Amy Cooper wrote:
>
> Gosh, this may be better than the leaf war was. Maybe next time I won't
> pass
> on information. LOL
> - Amy
>
>  On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > It is a lot easier to safely (and legally) pass a group of tightly packed
> > riders than the same number spread out over a longer distance. I don't
> > think most motorists think of it that way though.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/5/2009 1:34:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > trailjedi@... <trailjedi%40gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > The whole 'cannot impede the flow of traffic' thing is iffy as far as I'm
> > concerned. The argument could (and is) made that a single cyclist on the
> > road impedes traffic flow. I'm gonna drop that and let the lawyers argue
> it
> >
> > out.
> > I agree that a lot of cyclists display bad habits on the road, I've seen
> > it today as a matter of fact. The habits of cyclists AND drivers have
> both
> > degraded in the last 24 years. My thinking is that it's not a cyclist or
> > motorist issue, but one of a widespread decrease in courtesy and an
> > increase
> > in self-centeredness. (Yeah, I may have just made that word up, I'll let
> > the
> > English teachers sort it) That attitude has nothing to do with what
> vehicle
> >
> > you choose to get you around or what kind of recreation you enjoy. It has
> > everything to do with people feeling like they are the most important
> thing
> >
> > in their world, and that anything else just impedes them on their
> > important mission to get home in time for Lost or keep their heartrate in
> > zone 4 or
> > whatever.
> > As long as we keep thinking of this as us vs them, we will continue to
> > have problems. Next time you're on your bike or in your car, just assume
> > the
> > motorist or cyclist you are interacting with is your kids principal or
> your
> >
> > neighbor or your best friends grandma. I mean c'mon, would you yell at
> > grandma?
> > E
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris
> > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_
(mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<earthbike%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:19 AM
> > Subject: [earthbike] Re: Fwd: 3 foot rule
> >
> > You can ride two abreast, but you also cannot impede the flow of traffic
> > and must yield when that's the case. That goes for a single cyclist as
> well
> >
> > as two abreast.
> >
> > Laws aside, it's just common courtesy to get single file for traffic.
> > Since I started cycling 24 years ago, I've seen a really bad degradation
> of
> >
> > cyclists' skills and roadside manners. I love road cycling, still do it
> > sometimes, but honestly for about 70% of the riders I've witnessed or
> > ridden with
> > in Oklahoma, I'm sorry but I'd have to side the the motorist a lot of the
> > time, and I hate saying that. :( The stupid thing is that the more it
> > escalates and people flip the bird or get uppity about something (on
> either
> > side
> > of the "war"), an accelerator pedal and 2 ton machine are going to win
> > every time. Ain't worth the conflict to me...seen it happen to many
> times.
> >
> > --- In _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_
(mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<earthbike%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> > ,
> > "Eric Doswell" wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five
> > abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of
> most
> > infractions as the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists most of
> > the time as well. If everyone stopped thinking about it as "us and them"
> > things would probably go a lot smoother. We as cyclists also need to
> police
> >
> > ourselves, and ride according to the traffic laws we wave in the faces of
> > angry drivers.
> > > E
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: chris pittman
> > > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_
(mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<earthbike%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> >
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:06 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by
> > roadies who insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a
> > conversation and then flip you off with they're self righteous attitudes!
> > >
> > > ____________ ____ ____
> > > From: Amy Cooper
> > > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_
(mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<earthbike%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> >
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
> > > Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
> > >
> > > FYI - amy
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: chuck davis
> > > Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
> > > Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
> > > To: obs &lt;_ok-bike-society@ok-bike-sociok-_
> > (mailto:ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com<ok-bike-society%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> > >, BLN &lt;_BLN@...
<_BLN%40yahoogroups.BLN>&lt;_BLN%40yahoogroups.BLN>_ (mailto:
> > BLN@yahoogroups.com <BLN%40yahoogroups.com> ) >,
> > TAT &lt;
> > > _TAT-OK@...
<_TAT-OK%40yahoogroups.TAT>&lt;_TAT-OK%40yahoogroups.TAT>_ (mailto:
> > TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com <TAT-OK%40yahoogroups.com> ) >, Tulsa
> > Wheelmen &lt;_wheelmen@yahoogroupwheel_
(mailto:wheelmen@yahoogroups.com<wheelmen%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> > >, OBL &lt;
> > > _okbicycleliving@okbicyclelivokb_
> > (mailto:okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com<okbicycleliving%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> > >, TeamBikeBuddies &lt;
> > > _TeamBikeBuddies@TeamBikeBuddTea_
> > (mailto:TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com<TeamBikeBuddies%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> > >
> > >
> > > I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across
> the
> > > country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"
> > >
> > > I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocacy
> > > groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM
> > >
> > > ...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine)
> > claim
> > > to be nationally 3rd!
> > >
> > > Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over
> the
> > > past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has
> been
> > > more of a bitching exercise than anything else
> > >
> > > In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter,
> > the
> > > below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot
> > violation
> > > butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"
> > >
> > > “Brunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation
> > >
> > > Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a
> state
> > > law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when
> passing
> > > bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the
> afternoo
> > n of
> > > April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the arm
> > with
> > > his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't
> be
> > in
> > > the road.
> > >
> > > The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received a
> > $137
> > > traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist,
> said
> > > Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation
> > also
> > > known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the
> > motorist
> > > with driving to endanger, a criminal offense.�
>
> > >
> > > BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chuck Davis
> > > OK Velo (Okvelo@...)
> > > Tulsa, OK
> > >
> > > When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how cool
> a
> > > dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:
> > >
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> > > _http://okvelo.http://okhttp_ (http://okvelo.blogspot.com/)
> > > _http://allweighscrahttp://allweihttp_
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We have to argue about something, otherwise all there is to do is ride;-)

-- Sent from my Palm Pre
Amy Cooper wrote:

Gosh, this may be better than the leaf war was. Maybe next time I won't pass
on information. LOL
- Amy

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> It is a lot easier to safely (and legally) pass a group of tightly packed
> riders than the same number spread out over a longer distance. I don't
> think most motorists think of it that way though.
>
> Terry
>
>
> In a message dated 7/5/2009 1:34:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> trailjedi@...  writes:
>
> The whole 'cannot impede the flow of traffic' thing is iffy as far as I'm
> concerned. The argument could (and is) made that a single cyclist on the
> road impedes traffic flow. I'm gonna drop that and let the lawyers argue it
>
> out.
> I agree that a lot of cyclists display bad habits on the road, I've seen
> it today as a matter of fact. The habits of cyclists AND drivers have both
> degraded in the last 24 years. My thinking is that it's not a cyclist or
> motorist issue, but one of a widespread decrease in courtesy and an
> increase
> in self-centeredness. (Yeah, I may have just made that word up, I'll let
> the
> English teachers sort it) That attitude has nothing to do with what vehicle
>
> you choose to get you around or what kind of recreation you enjoy. It has
> everything to do with people feeling like they are the most important thing
>
> in their world, and that anything else just impedes them on their
> important mission to get home in time for Lost or keep their heartrate in
> zone 4 or
> whatever.
> As long as we keep thinking of this as us vs them, we will continue to
> have problems. Next time you're on your bike or in your car, just assume
> the
> motorist or cyclist you are interacting with is your kids principal or your
>
> neighbor or your best friends grandma. I mean c'mon, would you yell at
> grandma?
> E
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris
> To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
>
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:19 AM
> Subject: [earthbike] Re: Fwd: 3 foot rule
>
> You can ride two abreast, but you also cannot impede the flow of traffic
> and must yield when that's the case. That goes for a single cyclist as well
>
> as two abreast.
>
> Laws aside, it's just common courtesy to get single file for traffic.
> Since I started cycling 24 years ago, I've seen a really bad degradation of
>
> cyclists' skills and roadside manners. I love road cycling, still do it
> sometimes, but honestly for about 70% of the riders I've witnessed or
> ridden with
> in Oklahoma, I'm sorry but I'd have to side the the motorist a lot of the
> time, and I hate saying that. :( The stupid thing is that the more it
> escalates and people flip the bird or get uppity about something (on either
> side
> of the "war"), an accelerator pedal and 2 ton machine are going to win
> every time. Ain't worth the conflict to me...seen it happen to many times.
>
> --- In _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
> ,
> "Eric Doswell"  wrote:
> >
> > I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five
> abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of most
> infractions as the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists most of
> the time as well. If everyone stopped thinking about it as "us and them"
> things would probably go a lot smoother. We as cyclists also need to police
>
> ourselves, and ride according to the traffic laws we wave in the faces of
> angry drivers.
> > E
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: chris pittman
> > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by
> roadies who insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a
> conversation and then flip you off with they're self righteous attitudes!
> >
> > ____________ ____ ____
> > From: Amy Cooper
> > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
> > Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
> >
> > FYI - amy
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: chuck davis
> > Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
> > Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
> > To: obs <_ok-bike-society@ok-bike-sociok-_
> (mailto:ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com)
> >, BLN <_BLN@... <_BLN%40yahoogroups.BLN>_ (mailto:
> BLN@yahoogroups.com ) >,
> TAT <
> > _TAT-OK@... <_TAT-OK%40yahoogroups.TAT>_ (mailto:
> TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com ) >, Tulsa
> Wheelmen <_wheelmen@yahoogroupwheel_ (mailto:wheelmen@yahoogroups.com)
> >, OBL <
> > _okbicycleliving@okbicyclelivokb_
> (mailto:okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com)
> >, TeamBikeBuddies <
> > _TeamBikeBuddies@TeamBikeBuddTea_
> (mailto:TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com)
> >
> >
> > I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across the
> > country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"
> >
> > I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocacy
> > groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM
> >
> > ...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine)
> claim
> > to be nationally 3rd!
> >
> > Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over the
> > past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has been
> > more of a bitching exercise than anything else
> >
> > In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter,
> the
> > below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot
> violation
> > butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"
> >
> > “Brunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation
> >
> > Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a state
> > law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when passing
> > bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the afternoo
> n of
> > April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the arm
> with
> > his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't be
> in
> > the road.
> >
> > The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received a
> $137
> > traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist, said
> > Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation
> also
> > known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the
> motorist
> > with driving to endanger, a criminal offense.�
> >
> > BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6
> >
> > --
> > Chuck Davis
> > OK Velo (Okvelo@...)
> > Tulsa, OK
> >
> > When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how cool a
> > dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:
> >
> > _http://chucksbikes.http://chhttp_ (http://chucksbikes.blogspot.com/)
> > _http://okvelo.http://okhttp_ (http://okvelo.blogspot.com/)
> > _http://allweighscrahttp://allweihttp_
> (http://allweighscranky.blogspot.com/)
> >
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Gosh, this may be better than the leaf war was. Maybe next time I won't pass
on information. LOL
- Amy

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM, <ttietsort@...> wrote:

>
>
> It is a lot easier to safely (and legally) pass a group of tightly packed
> riders than the same number spread out over a longer distance. I don't
> think most motorists think of it that way though.
>
> Terry
>
>
> In a message dated 7/5/2009 1:34:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> trailjedi@... <trailjedi%40gmail.com> writes:
>
> The whole 'cannot impede the flow of traffic' thing is iffy as far as I'm
> concerned. The argument could (and is) made that a single cyclist on the
> road impedes traffic flow. I'm gonna drop that and let the lawyers argue it
>
> out.
> I agree that a lot of cyclists display bad habits on the road, I've seen
> it today as a matter of fact. The habits of cyclists AND drivers have both
> degraded in the last 24 years. My thinking is that it's not a cyclist or
> motorist issue, but one of a widespread decrease in courtesy and an
> increase
> in self-centeredness. (Yeah, I may have just made that word up, I'll let
> the
> English teachers sort it) That attitude has nothing to do with what vehicle
>
> you choose to get you around or what kind of recreation you enjoy. It has
> everything to do with people feeling like they are the most important thing
>
> in their world, and that anything else just impedes them on their
> important mission to get home in time for Lost or keep their heartrate in
> zone 4 or
> whatever.
> As long as we keep thinking of this as us vs them, we will continue to
> have problems. Next time you're on your bike or in your car, just assume
> the
> motorist or cyclist you are interacting with is your kids principal or your
>
> neighbor or your best friends grandma. I mean c'mon, would you yell at
> grandma?
> E
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris
> To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_
(mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<earthbike%40yahoogroups.com>)
>
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:19 AM
> Subject: [earthbike] Re: Fwd: 3 foot rule
>
> You can ride two abreast, but you also cannot impede the flow of traffic
> and must yield when that's the case. That goes for a single cyclist as well
>
> as two abreast.
>
> Laws aside, it's just common courtesy to get single file for traffic.
> Since I started cycling 24 years ago, I've seen a really bad degradation of
>
> cyclists' skills and roadside manners. I love road cycling, still do it
> sometimes, but honestly for about 70% of the riders I've witnessed or
> ridden with
> in Oklahoma, I'm sorry but I'd have to side the the motorist a lot of the
> time, and I hate saying that. :( The stupid thing is that the more it
> escalates and people flip the bird or get uppity about something (on either
> side
> of the "war"), an accelerator pedal and 2 ton machine are going to win
> every time. Ain't worth the conflict to me...seen it happen to many times.
>
> --- In _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_
(mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<earthbike%40yahoogroups.com>)
> ,
> "Eric Doswell" <trailjedi@.tr> wrote:
> >
> > I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five
> abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of most
> infractions as the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists most of
> the time as well. If everyone stopped thinking about it as "us and them"
> things would probably go a lot smoother. We as cyclists also need to police
>
> ourselves, and ride according to the traffic laws we wave in the faces of
> angry drivers.
> > E
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: chris pittman
> > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_
(mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<earthbike%40yahoogroups.com>)
>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by
> roadies who insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a
> conversation and then flip you off with they're self righteous attitudes!
> >
> > ____________ ____ ____
> > From: Amy Cooper <sandbox@...>
> > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_
(mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<earthbike%40yahoogroups.com>)
>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
> > Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
> >
> > FYI - amy
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: chuck davis <dang.chuck@dan>
> > Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
> > Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
> > To: obs <_ok-bike-society@ok-bike-sociok-_
> (mailto:ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com<ok-bike-society%40yahoogroups.com>)
> >, BLN <_BLN@... <_BLN%40yahoogroups.BLN>_ (mailto:
> BLN@yahoogroups.com <BLN%40yahoogroups.com>) >,
> TAT <
> > _TAT-OK@... <_TAT-OK%40yahoogroups.TAT>_ (mailto:
> TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com <TAT-OK%40yahoogroups.com>) >, Tulsa
> Wheelmen <_wheelmen@yahoogroupwheel_
(mailto:wheelmen@yahoogroups.com<wheelmen%40yahoogroups.com>)
> >, OBL <
> > _okbicycleliving@okbicyclelivokb_
> (mailto:okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com<okbicycleliving%40yahoogroups.com>)
> >, TeamBikeBuddies <
> > _TeamBikeBuddies@TeamBikeBuddTea_
> (mailto:TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com<TeamBikeBuddies%40yahoogroups.com>)
> >
> >
> > I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across the
> > country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"
> >
> > I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocacy
> > groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM
> >
> > ...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine)
> claim
> > to be nationally 3rd!
> >
> > Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over the
> > past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has been
> > more of a bitching exercise than anything else
> >
> > In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter,
> the
> > below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot
> violation
> > butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"
> >
> > “Brunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation
> >
> > Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a state
> > law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when passing
> > bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the afternoo
> n of
> > April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the arm
> with
> > his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't be
> in
> > the road.
> >
> > The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received a
> $137
> > traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist, said
> > Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation
> also
> > known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the
> motorist
> > with driving to endanger, a criminal offense.�
> >
> > BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6
> >
> > --
> > Chuck Davis
> > OK Velo (Okvelo@...)
> > Tulsa, OK
> >
> > When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how cool a
> > dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:
> >
> > _http://chucksbikes.http://chhttp_ (http://chucksbikes.blogspot.com/)
> > _http://okvelo.http://okhttp_ (http://okvelo.blogspot.com/)
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Unfortunately, the three foot law didn't help me any. When  motorists are not
paying attention (putting on makeup. talking or texting on phone, reading,
reaching for something , etc. etc.) that law is mute. I always ride as close to
the curb as possible and I have NEVER flipped anyone off no matter how rude they
were to me. I will never understand why it pisses motorists off because I am on
the road riding my bicycle. I am a very courteous rider but I was struck by a
distracted driver going at least 50 mph. She put me in a coma and has changed my
life forever because now I'm living with a brain injury. I was doing what I
loved to do. She was being an idiot. My life is changd. Her isn't. All she had
to pay was $172 ticket for inattetiveness.



-----Original Message-----
From: ttietsort@...
Date: 07/05/2009 03:50 PM
To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [earthbike] Re: Fwd: 3 foot rule

Note: Original message sent as attachment

It is a lot easier to safely (and legally) pass a group of tightly packed
riders than the same number spread out over a longer distance.  I don't
think most motorists think of it that way though.

Terry


In a message dated 7/5/2009 1:34:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
trailjedi@... writes:





The whole 'cannot impede the flow of traffic' thing is iffy as far as I'm
concerned. The argument could (and is) made that a single cyclist on the
road  impedes traffic flow. I'm gonna drop that and let the lawyers argue it
out.
I agree that a lot of cyclists display bad habits on the road, I've seen
it today as a matter of fact. The habits of cyclists AND drivers have both
degraded in the last 24 years. My thinking is that it's not a cyclist or
motorist issue, but one of a widespread decrease in courtesy and an increase
in self-centeredness. (Yeah, I may have just made that word up, I'll let the
English teachers sort it) That attitude has nothing to do with what vehicle
  you choose to get you around or what kind of recreation you enjoy. It has
everything to do with people feeling like they are the most important thing
in  their world, and that anything else just impedes them on their
important  mission to get home in time for Lost or keep their heartrate in zone
4 or
  whatever.
As long as we keep thinking of this as us vs them, we will  continue to
have problems. Next time you're on your bike or in your car, just  assume the
motorist or cyclist you are interacting with is your kids principal  or your
neighbor or your best friends grandma. I mean c'mon, would you yell at
grandma?
E
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: [earthbike] Re: Fwd: 3  foot rule

You can ride two abreast, but you also cannot impede the flow  of traffic
and must yield when that's the case. That goes for a single cyclist  as well
as two abreast.

Laws aside, it's just common courtesy to get  single file for traffic.
Since I started cycling 24 years ago, I've seen a  really bad degradation of
cyclists' skills and roadside manners. I love road  cycling, still do it
sometimes, but honestly for about 70% of the riders I've  witnessed or ridden
with
in Oklahoma, I'm sorry but I'd have to side the the  motorist a lot of the
time, and I hate saying that. :( The stupid thing is  that the more it
escalates and people flip the bird or get uppity about  something (on either
side
of the "war"), an accelerator pedal and 2 ton  machine are going to win
every time. Ain't worth the conflict to me...seen it  happen to many times.

--- In _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com) ,
"Eric Doswell" <trailjedi@.tr> wrote:
>
> I believe by  law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five
abreast as is  commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of most
infractions as  the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists most of
the time as well. If  everyone stopped thinking about it as "us and them"
things would probably go a  lot smoother. We as cyclists also need to police
ourselves, and ride according  to the traffic laws we wave in the faces of
angry drivers.
> E
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: chris pittman
> To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [earthbike]  Fwd: 3 foot rule
>
>
>
>
>
> Thats in  Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by
roadies who insist  on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a
conversation and then  flip you off with they're self righteous attitudes!
>
>  ____________  ____  ____
> From: Amy Cooper  <sandbox@...>
> To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
>  Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
> Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3  foot rule
>
> FYI - amy
>
> ---------- Forwarded  message ----------
> From: chuck davis  <dang.chuck@dan>
> Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
>  Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
> To:  obs <_ok-bike-society@ok-bike-sociok-_
(mailto:ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com) >,  BLN <_BLN@..._
(mailto:BLN@yahoogroups.com) >,
TAT  <
> _TAT-OK@..._ (mailto:TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com) >,  Tulsa
Wheelmen <_wheelmen@yahoogroupwheel_ (mailto:wheelmen@yahoogroups.com) >,  OBL <
> _okbicycleliving@okbicyclelivokb_
(mailto:okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com) >,  TeamBikeBuddies <
> _TeamBikeBuddies@TeamBikeBuddTea_
(mailto:TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com) >
>
> I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across  the
> country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"
>
> I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's  advocacy
> groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's  BCM
>
> ...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective,  they (Maine)
claim
> to be nationally 3rd!
>
> Three (3)  foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over the
> past  year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has been
>  more of a bitching exercise than anything else
>
> In the Summer  2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter,
the
> below is  reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot
violation
>  butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"
>
> “Brunswick  Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation
>
> Brunswick  police may have issued the state's first citation under a state
> law  that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when passing
>  bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the afternoo
n  of
> April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the  arm
with
> his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they  shouldn't be
in
> the road.
>
> The bicyclists reported the  incident to police. The motorist received a
$137
> traffic ticket for  failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist, said
> Lt. Mark Waltz  of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation
also
> known as  the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the
motorist
> with  driving to endanger, a criminal offense.”
>
> BCM Summer 2009  Newsletter, p.6
>
> --
> Chuck Davis
> OK Velo  (Okvelo@...)
> Tulsa, OK
>
> When ya really bored and/or  otherwise want to understand just how cool a
> dude I yam, czech the  deranged drivel and nonsense below:
>
> _http://chucksbikes.http://chhttp_ (http://chucksbikes.blogspot.com/)
>  _http://okvelo.http://okhttp_ (http://okvelo.blogspot.com/)
>  _http://allweighscrahttp://allweihttp_
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Eric, You hit the nail square on the head.
T V 

--- On Sun, 7/5/09, Eric Doswell <trailjedi@...> wrote:


From: Eric Doswell <trailjedi@...>
Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 9:19 AM








I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five abreast
as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of most infractions
as the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists most of the time as well.
If everyone stopped thinking about it as "us and them" things would probably go
a lot smoother. We as cyclists also need to police ourselves, and ride according
to the traffic laws we wave in the faces of angry drivers.
E
----- Original Message -----
From: chris pittman
To: earthbike@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule

Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by roadies who
insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a conversation and
then flip you off with they're self righteous attitudes!

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Amy Cooper <sandbox@arczip. com>
To: earthbike@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule

FYI - amy

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: chuck davis <dang.chuck@gmail. com>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
To: obs <ok-bike-society@ yahoogroups. com>, BLN <BLN@yahoogroups. com>, TAT <
TAT-OK@yahoogroups. com>, Tulsa Wheelmen <wheelmen@yahoogroup s.com>, OBL <
okbicycleliving@ yahoogroups. com>, TeamBikeBuddies <
TeamBikeBuddies@ yahoogroups. com>

I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across the
country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"

I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocacy
groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM

...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine) claim
to be nationally 3rd!

Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over the
past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has been
more of a bitching exercise than anything else

In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter, the
below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot violation
butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"

“Brunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation

Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a state
law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when passing
bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the afternoon of
April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the arm with
his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't be in
the road.

The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received a $137
traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist, said
Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation also
known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the motorist
with driving to endanger, a criminal offense.”

BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6

--
Chuck Davis
OK Velo (Okvelo@gmail. com)
Tulsa, OK

When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how cool a
dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:

http://chucksbikes. blogspot. com/
http://okvelo. blogspot. com/
http://allweighscra nky.blogspot. com/

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The whole 'cannot impede the flow of traffic' thing is iffy as far as I'm
concerned. The argument could (and is) made that a single cyclist on the road
impedes traffic flow. I'm gonna drop that and let the lawyers argue it out.
     I agree that a lot of cyclists display bad habits on the road, I've seen it
today as a matter of fact. The habits of cyclists AND drivers have both degraded
in the last 24 years. My thinking is that it's not a cyclist or motorist issue,
but one of a widespread decrease in courtesy and an increase in
self-centeredness. (Yeah, I may have just made that word up, I'll let the
English teachers sort it) That attitude has nothing to do with what vehicle you
choose to get you around or what kind of recreation you enjoy. It has everything
to do with people feeling like they are the most important thing in their world,
and that anything else just impedes them on their important mission to get home
in time for Lost or keep their heartrate in zone 4 or whatever.
     As long as we keep thinking of this as us vs them, we will continue to have
problems. Next time you're on your bike or in your car, just assume the motorist
or cyclist you are interacting with is your kids principal or your neighbor or
your best friends grandma. I mean c'mon, would you yell at grandma?
     E
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Chris
   To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:19 AM
   Subject: [earthbike] Re: Fwd: 3 foot rule





   You can ride two abreast, but you also cannot impede the flow of traffic and
must yield when that's the case. That goes for a single cyclist as well as two
abreast.

   Laws aside, it's just common courtesy to get single file for traffic. Since I
started cycling 24 years ago, I've seen a really bad degradation of cyclists'
skills and roadside manners. I love road cycling, still do it sometimes, but
honestly for about 70% of the riders I've witnessed or ridden with in Oklahoma,
I'm sorry but I'd have to side the the motorist a lot of the time, and I hate
saying that. :( The stupid thing is that the more it escalates and people flip
the bird or get uppity about something (on either side of the "war"), an
accelerator pedal and 2 ton machine are going to win every time. Ain't worth the
conflict to me...seen it happen to many times.

   --- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Doswell" <trailjedi@...> wrote:
   >
   > I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five
abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of most
infractions as the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists most of the
time as well. If everyone stopped thinking about it as "us and them" things
would probably go a lot smoother. We as cyclists also need to police ourselves,
and ride according to the traffic laws we wave in the faces of angry drivers.
   > E
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: chris pittman
   > To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:06 AM
   > Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by roadies
who insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a conversation and
then flip you off with they're self righteous attitudes!
   >
   > ________________________________
   > From: Amy Cooper <sandbox@...>
   > To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
   > Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
   >
   > FYI - amy
   >
   > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
   > From: chuck davis <dang.chuck@...>
   > Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
   > Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
   > To: obs <ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com>, BLN <BLN@yahoogroups.com>, TAT <
   > TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com>, Tulsa Wheelmen <wheelmen@yahoogroups.com>, OBL <
   > okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com>, TeamBikeBuddies <
   > TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com>
   >
   > I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across the
   > country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"
   >
   > I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocacy
   > groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM
   >
   > ...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine) claim
   > to be nationally 3rd!
   >
   > Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over the
   > past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has been
   > more of a bitching exercise than anything else
   >
   > In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter, the
   > below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot violation
   > butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"
   >
   > “Brunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation
   >
   > Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a state
   > law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when passing
   > bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the afternoon of
   > April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the arm with
   > his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't be in
   > the road.
   >
   > The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received a $137
   > traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist, said
   > Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation also
   > known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the motorist
   > with driving to endanger, a criminal offense.”
   >
   > BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6
   >
   > --
   > Chuck Davis
   > OK Velo (Okvelo@...)
   > Tulsa, OK
   >
   > When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how cool a
   > dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:
   >
   > http://chucksbikes.blogspot.com/
   > http://okvelo.blogspot.com/
   > http://allweighscranky.blogspot.com/
   >
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You can ride two abreast, but you also cannot impede the flow of traffic and
must yield when that's the case.  That goes for a single cyclist as well as two
abreast.


Laws aside, it's just common courtesy to get single file for traffic.  Since I
started cycling 24 years ago, I've seen a really bad degradation of cyclists'
skills and roadside manners.  I love road cycling, still do it sometimes, but
honestly for about 70% of the riders I've witnessed or ridden with in Oklahoma,
I'm sorry but I'd have to side the the motorist a lot of the time, and I hate
saying that.  :(   The stupid thing is that the more it escalates and people
flip the bird or get uppity about something (on either side of the "war"), an
accelerator pedal and 2 ton machine are going to win every time.  Ain't worth
the conflict to me...seen it happen to many times.



--- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Doswell" <trailjedi@...> wrote:
>
>     I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five
abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of most
infractions as the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists most of the
time as well. If everyone stopped thinking about it as "us and them" things
would probably go a lot smoother. We as cyclists also need to police ourselves,
and ride according to the traffic laws we wave in the faces of angry drivers.
>     E
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: chris pittman
>   To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:06 AM
>   Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
>
>
>
>
>
>   Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by roadies
who insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a conversation and
then flip you off with they're self righteous attitudes!
>
>   ________________________________
>   From: Amy Cooper <sandbox@...>
>   To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
>   Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
>
>   FYI - amy
>
>   ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>   From: chuck davis <dang.chuck@...>
>   Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
>   Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
>   To: obs <ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com>, BLN <BLN@yahoogroups.com>, TAT <
>   TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com>, Tulsa Wheelmen <wheelmen@yahoogroups.com>, OBL <
>   okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com>, TeamBikeBuddies <
>   TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com>
>
>   I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across the
>   country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"
>
>   I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocacy
>   groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM
>
>   ...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine) claim
>   to be nationally 3rd!
>
>   Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over the
>   past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has been
>   more of a bitching exercise than anything else
>
>   In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter, the
>   below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot violation
>   butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"
>
>   “Brunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation
>
>   Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a state
>   law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when passing
>   bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the afternoon of
>   April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the arm with
>   his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't be in
>   the road.
>
>   The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received a $137
>   traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist, said
>   Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation also
>   known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the motorist
>   with driving to endanger, a criminal offense.”
>
>   BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6
>
>   --
>   Chuck Davis
>   OK Velo (Okvelo@...)
>   Tulsa, OK
>
>   When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how cool a
>   dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:
>
>   http://chucksbikes.blogspot.com/
>   http://okvelo.blogspot.com/
>   http://allweighscranky.blogspot.com/
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I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five
abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of most
infractions as the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists most of the
time as well. If everyone stopped thinking about it as "us and them" things
would probably go a lot smoother. We as cyclists also need to police ourselves,
and ride according to the traffic laws we wave in the faces of angry drivers.
     E
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: chris pittman
   To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:06 AM
   Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule





   Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by roadies
who insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a conversation and
then flip you off with they're self righteous attitudes!

   ________________________________
   From: Amy Cooper <sandbox@...>
   To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
   Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule

   FYI - amy

   ---------- Forwarded message ----------
   From: chuck davis <dang.chuck@...>
   Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
   Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
   To: obs <ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com>, BLN <BLN@yahoogroups.com>, TAT <
   TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com>, Tulsa Wheelmen <wheelmen@yahoogroups.com>, OBL <
   okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com>, TeamBikeBuddies <
   TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com>

   I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across the
   country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"

   I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocacy
   groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM

   ...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine) claim
   to be nationally 3rd!

   Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over the
   past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has been
   more of a bitching exercise than anything else

   In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter, the
   below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot violation
   butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"

   “Brunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation

   Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a state
   law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when passing
   bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the afternoon of
   April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the arm with
   his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't be in
   the road.

   The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received a $137
   traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist, said
   Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation also
   known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the motorist
   with driving to endanger, a criminal offense.”

   BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6

   --
   Chuck Davis
   OK Velo (Okvelo@...)
   Tulsa, OK

   When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how cool a
   dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:

   http://chucksbikes.blogspot.com/
   http://okvelo.blogspot.com/
   http://allweighscranky.blogspot.com/

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Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by roadies who
insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a conversation and
then flip you off with they're self righteous attitudes!




________________________________
From: Amy Cooper <sandbox@...>
To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule

FYI - amy

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: chuck davis <dang.chuck@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
To: obs <ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com>, BLN <BLN@yahoogroups.com>, TAT <
TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com>, Tulsa Wheelmen <wheelmen@yahoogroups.com>, OBL <
okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com>, TeamBikeBuddies <
TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com>


I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across the
country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"

I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocacy
groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM

...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine) claim
to be nationally 3rd!

Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over the
past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has been
more of a bitching exercise than anything else

In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter, the
below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot violation
butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"

“Brunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation



Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a state
law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when passing
bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the afternoon of
April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the arm with
his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't be in
the road.



The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received a $137
traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist, said
Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation also
known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the motorist
with driving to endanger,  a criminal offense.”


BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6

--
Chuck Davis
OK Velo (Okvelo@...)
Tulsa, OK

When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how cool a
dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:

http://chucksbikes.blogspot.com/
http://okvelo.blogspot.com/
http://allweighscranky.blogspot.com/


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FYI - amy

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: chuck davis <dang.chuck@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
To: obs <ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com>, BLN <BLN@yahoogroups.com>, TAT <
TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com>, Tulsa Wheelmen <wheelmen@yahoogroups.com>, OBL <
okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com>, TeamBikeBuddies <
TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com>


I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across the
country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"

I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocacy
groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM

...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine) claim
to be nationally 3rd!

Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over the
past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has been
more of a bitching exercise than anything else

In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter, the
below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot violation
butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"

�Brunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation



Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a state
law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when passing
bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the afternoon of
April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the arm with
his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't be in
the road.



The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received a $137
traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist, said
Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation also
known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the motorist
with driving to endanger,  a criminal offense.�


BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6

--
Chuck Davis
OK Velo (Okvelo@...)
Tulsa, OK

When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how cool a
dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:

http://chucksbikes.blogspot.com/
http://okvelo.blogspot.com/
http://allweighscranky.blogspot.com/


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Paula,

Running and biking are two different things.  While I may run against traffic I
never ride against traffic.  Runners are not considered in the motor vehicle
mix.  They are pedestrians.  It is definitely not the same thing.  This from a
former runner.  =)

Bobby

---- Paula <pstout3@...> wrote:
> I got pulled over in California, 20+ years ago for riding against traffic. I
had no idea. I always thought it was best so I could see what was coming closest
to me.  I see people doing it all the time here.. as well as jogging against
traffic.  I wonder if they're thinking the same thing.
>
>
> --- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <earthfoote@...> wrote:
> >
> > It's still a very wide misconception that bikes are *supposed* to ride
against traffic and I see so many non-cyclists (so to speak) doing it.  I
actually witnessed an okc cop telling 2 boys to ride on the "wrong" side of the
street several years ago.  Crazy.
>

I will be going to Euraka Springs, Arkansas for the Fat Tire festival on July
the 18th and 19th. The race is on Sunday the 19th but I will be heading down
early, the morning of Saturday the 18th so I can pre register and pre ride and
check out all the cool stuff associated with the race.
I am looking for a person or two who would like to ride up with me. I already
have a room reserved.
If anyone is interested give me a call at 405-819-2672 or email me at
jtduvall7@...
If you want to know more about the race go to this website:
http://www.fattirefestival.com/

Happy Trails!
Tommy D.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: chuck davis <dang.chuck@...>
Date: Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Subject: [ok-bike-society] Bicycle Friendly States (Guess Who's 48th?)
To: obs <ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com>, BLN <BLN@yahoogroups.com>, TAT <
TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com>, Tulsa Wheelmen <wheelmen@yahoogroups.com>, OBL <
okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com>, TeamBikeBuddies <
TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com>




From LAB's site

Depressing, may try and trade the "Schwinn" for a bass boat

http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/bicyclefriendlyamerica/bicyclefriendlystate/r\
ankings.php

Chuck Davis
OK Velo (Okvelo@... <Okvelo%40gmail.com>)
Tulsa, OK

When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how cool a
dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:

http://chucksbikes.blogspot.com/
http://okvelo.blogspot.com/
http://allweighscranky.blogspot.com/

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I always remember being told to run/walk against traffic. With a quick trip
to the Great Oracle at Google, I found that against traffic is the overwhelming
opinion although I could only find one reference to actual laws (a North
Carolina law that says run against traffic only when there's no sidewalk. If a
sidewalk is present it's illegal to run in the street) Several reputable seeming
enthusiast sites I found also stated that you should run against traffic.
     That's kinda why you get that issue on multi use trails where northbound
runners and southbound cyclists are both on the same side of the trail.
       E


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Paula
   To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:00 AM
   Subject: [earthbike] Riding against traffic





   I got pulled over in California, 20+ years ago for riding against traffic. I
had no idea. I always thought it was best so I could see what was coming closest
to me. I see people doing it all the time here.. as well as jogging against
traffic. I wonder if they're thinking the same thing.

   --- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <earthfoote@...> wrote:
   >
   > It's still a very wide misconception that bikes are *supposed* to ride
against traffic and I see so many non-cyclists (so to speak) doing it. I
actually witnessed an okc cop telling 2 boys to ride on the "wrong" side of the
street several years ago. Crazy.





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I got pulled over in California, 20+ years ago for riding against traffic. I had
no idea. I always thought it was best so I could see what was coming closest to
me.  I see people doing it all the time here.. as well as jogging against
traffic.  I wonder if they're thinking the same thing.


--- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <earthfoote@...> wrote:
>
> It's still a very wide misconception that bikes are *supposed* to ride against
traffic and I see so many non-cyclists (so to speak) doing it.  I actually
witnessed an okc cop telling 2 boys to ride on the "wrong" side of the street
several years ago.  Crazy.

It's still a very wide misconception that bikes are *supposed* to ride against
traffic and I see so many non-cyclists (so to speak) doing it.  I actually
witnessed an okc cop telling 2 boys to ride on the "wrong" side of the street
several years ago.  Crazy.

This is recommended for pedestrians when there isn't a sidewalk to use and the
advice seems to have carried over to bicycles for the general public.  There are
so many reasons not to go against traffic, but getting that educational word out
there to all of the kids and casual riders doesn't seem to be happening.  I hate
to hear about this kind of thing happening...hope the kid heals alright.




--- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, Amy Cooper <sandbox@...> wrote:
>
> More info-probably no more coming
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ed Wagner <e.j.wagner.jr@...>
> Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [BLN] Boy on bike struck by truck overnight in Broken Arrow
> To: BLN@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
> There's a comment under the Tulsa World story saying that this young man
> is troubled, and was out without his mother's knowledge. She didn't
> know he was gone until he was in the hospital.
>
> Yes, he was riding against traffic - an extremely hazardous practice day
> or night. But the story doesn't mention if he was on a neighborhood
> street. A few years ago, the legislature changed the law so it's legal
> to ride at night without lights (but with reflectors) on streets with a
> speed limit of 25mph or less. My opinion - it's a stupid change.
>
> Ed
>
> Rocky Chen wrote:
> >
> >
> > FYI - another bicycle-automobile accident.
> > - 2 questions I have are (1) why is he riding against traffic and (2)
> > 11:30 PM?
> >
> > ___
> >
> > Boy on bike struck by truck overnight in Broken Arrow
> >
> > By Staff Reports
> > Published: 7/1/2009 8:26 AM
> > Last Modified: 7/1/2009 9:28 AM
> >
> > A boy on a bicycle was struck head-on by a truck in Broken Arrow late
> > Tuesday night.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Six hour mountain bike race July 26 at Turkey Mountain. It's the second race
of the Ridin Dirty series. Race solo or on a two-person team. Info here:
http://www.sixrace.com/
Brought to you by DoubleShot Racing.


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More info-probably no more coming

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ed Wagner <e.j.wagner.jr@...>
Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [BLN] Boy on bike struck by truck overnight in Broken Arrow
To: BLN@yahoogroups.com




There's a comment under the Tulsa World story saying that this young man
is troubled, and was out without his mother's knowledge. She didn't
know he was gone until he was in the hospital.

Yes, he was riding against traffic - an extremely hazardous practice day
or night. But the story doesn't mention if he was on a neighborhood
street. A few years ago, the legislature changed the law so it's legal
to ride at night without lights (but with reflectors) on streets with a
speed limit of 25mph or less. My opinion - it's a stupid change.

Ed

Rocky Chen wrote:
>
>
> FYI - another bicycle-automobile accident.
> - 2 questions I have are (1) why is he riding against traffic and (2)
> 11:30 PM?
>
> ___
>
> Boy on bike struck by truck overnight in Broken Arrow
>
> By Staff Reports
> Published: 7/1/2009 8:26 AM
> Last Modified: 7/1/2009 9:28 AM
>
> A boy on a bicycle was struck head-on by a truck in Broken Arrow late
> Tuesday night.
>

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Sorry if anyone thinks I sound like a dick here, BUT...

When you ride a bike ON THE ROAD you have the same rights as a car AND HAVE TO
OBEY THE SAME RULES!

If he was if the oncomming traffic's lane then he was GOING to get hit.

As cyclists, we can't decide when this rule works for us and when we can ignore
it.  I'm not sure if he was using any lights either, but if he wasn't (and at
11.30pm!!!) then - AGAIN - he is at fault.

I want him to recover.  Of course I do.

But this is a typical reason why motorists get pissed at cyclists.

Sorry kid - hopefully, you'll learn your lesson.



--- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, Amy Cooper <sandbox@...> wrote:
>
> FYI.  - I would give the kid the benefit of doubt here and just assume that
> he learned the road rules from his parents.  I hope he recovers.
> -Amy
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rocky Chen <rocksbox@...>
> Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:54 AM
> Subject: [BLN] Boy on bike struck by truck overnight in Broken Arrow
> To: BLN Yahoo Group <BLN@yahoogroups.com>
>
>
>
>
> FYI - another bicycle-automobile accident.
> - 2 questions I have are (1) why is he riding against traffic and (2) 11:30
> PM?
>
> ___
>
> Boy on bike struck by truck overnight in Broken Arrow
>
> By Staff Reports
> Published: 7/1/2009 8:26 AM
> Last Modified: 7/1/2009 9:28 AM
>
> A boy on a bicycle was struck head-on by a truck in Broken Arrow late
> Tuesday night.
>
> According to the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, at about 11:30 p.m. near
> 131st Street and Garnett Road, an unidentified boy was riding a
> bicycle heading east in the westbound lane, when he was struck head-on
> by a truck driven by a 16-year-old driver.
>
> The collision caused the boy on the bicycle to be ejected more than
> 100 feet away from the collision, according to the OHP.
>
> EMSA spokeswoman Tina Wells said medics had to rush the boy, estimated
> to be about 15 or 16 years old, to St. Francis Hospital in critical
> condition with traumatic injuries.
>
> Troopers said the teen truck driver was not injured.
>
> The current condition of the boy is unknown.
>
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090701_11_0\
_Boyonb558196
>
>
>
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From: <BILL911DENTON@...>
Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Subject: [ok-bike-society] Tomorrow evening at Draper 7 oclock Short Track
Races..
To: BLN@yahoogroups.com, bikelawton@yahoogroups.com,
keystoneoffroad@yahoogroups.com, okcvelo@yahoogroups.com,
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How about we ride tomorrow after work and

then sit in lawn chairs and drink beer and watch the short track races?

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Steve Slawson <carbonsking@...>
Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Subject: [BLN] CORS Time Trial Tonight
To: crrcracing@yahoogroups.com, bln@yahoogroups.com, Gil Summy <
gil-summy@...>




The last stage in the Central Oklahoma Race Series is TONIGHT at Lake
Draper! Registration opens at 5:30, Time Trial will begin PROMPTLY at 6:30P.
All CRRC and BLN riders are encouraged to participate against the clock! If
you're not planning on riding, volunteers will be appreciated.

Steve Slawson
CRRC/Atomic Race Director
405-205-0440

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How about we ride tomorrow after work and 







then sit in lawn chairs and drink beer and watch the short track races?









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FYI.  - I would give the kid the benefit of doubt here and just assume that
he learned the road rules from his parents.  I hope he recovers.
-Amy


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rocky Chen <rocksbox@...>
Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Subject: [BLN] Boy on bike struck by truck overnight in Broken Arrow
To: BLN Yahoo Group <BLN@yahoogroups.com>




FYI - another bicycle-automobile accident.
- 2 questions I have are (1) why is he riding against traffic and (2) 11:30
PM?

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Boy on bike struck by truck overnight in Broken Arrow

By Staff Reports
Published: 7/1/2009 8:26 AM
Last Modified: 7/1/2009 9:28 AM

A boy on a bicycle was struck head-on by a truck in Broken Arrow late
Tuesday night.

According to the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, at about 11:30 p.m. near
131st Street and Garnett Road, an unidentified boy was riding a
bicycle heading east in the westbound lane, when he was struck head-on
by a truck driven by a 16-year-old driver.

The collision caused the boy on the bicycle to be ejected more than
100 feet away from the collision, according to the OHP.

EMSA spokeswoman Tina Wells said medics had to rush the boy, estimated
to be about 15 or 16 years old, to St. Francis Hospital in critical
condition with traumatic injuries.

Troopers said the teen truck driver was not injured.

The current condition of the boy is unknown.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090701_11_0\
_Boyonb558196



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My bike was born in Tulsa;)
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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Amy Cooper
   To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:18 AM
   Subject: [earthbike] FYI: where your bike was born





   interesting info about where your bike was made from

   http://allanti.com/page.cfm?PageID=328

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interesting info about where your bike was made from

http://allanti.com/page.cfm?PageID=328


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Thanks Amy. I passed this along to our group.

At 11:45 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:


>Fw: Broken Nose 50!!!!! Mark Your Calendar
>
>Happy Summer Racers!
>
>Too hot to ride this week???...... Make plans for cooler temperatures!
>Mark your calendar for this fall's
>Broken Nose 50!
>
>September 19, 2009
>Roman Nose State Park
>Watonga OK
>
>The 3rd Race in Oklahoma's Ridin' Dirty Endurance Series!
>
>Plan to come, camp, race and spend the weekend with friends!
>
>Attached is the entrance brochure for early registration ( by 9-1-09 )
>
>See our website for more info
><<mailto:janashmore%40sbcglobal.net>janashmore@...>
>http://www.brokennose50.com
><<mailto:janashmore%40sbcglobal.net>janashmore@...><mailto:janashmore\
%40sbcglobal.net>janashmore@...
>Jan Ashmore
>405-250-4299
>
>Hope to see you all there!!!!!
><mailto:hmore%40sbcglobal.net>hmore@...
><<mailto:janashmore%40sbcglobal.net>janashmore@...>
>Jan Ashmore
>405-250-4299
>
>Hope to see you all there!!!!!
>
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Fw: Broken Nose 50!!!!! Mark Your Calendar

Happy Summer Racers!

Too hot to ride this week???...... Make plans for cooler temperatures!
Mark your calendar for this fall's
Broken Nose 50!

September 19, 2009
Roman Nose State Park
Watonga OK

The 3rd Race in Oklahoma's Ridin' Dirty Endurance Series!

Plan to come, camp, race and spend the weekend with friends!

Attached is the entrance brochure for early registration ( by 9-1-09 )

See our website for more info <janashmore@...>
http://www.brokennose50.com
<janashmore@...>janashmore@...
Jan Ashmore
405-250-4299

Hope to see you all there!!!!!
hmore@... <janashmore@...>
Jan Ashmore
405-250-4299

Hope to see you all there!!!!!


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This message is from the OEF president:

  Due to vacations, marriages, holidays,ect. the July meeting will NOT be the
1st. Thursday at the Sante Fe Cattle Co. The July meeting will be at a local
traihead on the 11th.
Details will be posted as they develop. Have a great 4th.


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