Your assistance would be greatly appreciated if you could help out with
some mowing and weed-eating at Roman Nose this coming Saturday. I'm
looking for 8 to 10 folks who can lend a hand in putting the finishing
touches to RN in prep for the upcoming race on June 12th and the summer
season in general. This is strictly a vegetation abatement event, no
dirt work involved.. Shouldn't take more than an hour or two, so make
sure you bring you bike so you can get in some riding as well. These
work hours WILL count towards your workhour totals and WILL count as
"paydirt" hours for you racer types.

If you can lend a hand, that would be great. Make sure to wear long
pants and long sleeves and have eye protection.
I'll be at the General Store at 9:30a.m on Saturday morn (June 4th),
with equipment, and plan to be hard at it by 10.

Thanks,
Ward



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I saw that fawn yesterday too...couldn't have been over a few days
old...really tiny and cute!  He/she was with the doe at the time.

Steve

--- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, "Jon R" <jrichardson42@c...> wrote:
> I went to the Tuesday in the trees ride tonight at 6 and nobody
showed up.
> The racers were finishing up their two hour training rides and I guess
> everyone else thought it would rain so they stayed home.  Well I
went off
> alone anyway and I am glad I decided to ride.  The air was cool and the
> trail was perfect.  No bugs, no weeds and no sand.  I was just
crusing along
> trying to pick perfect lines on a perfect trail and enjoying every
minute
> when about half way through the green I saw something on the trail that
> looked like a jackrabbit.  I dodged it and then stopped and got off
the bike
> and went back to look.  There laying motionless on the trail was a
little
> fawn, still had all the white spots, probably didn't weigh over 20
lbs.  I
> thought he might be hurt so I got closer and when I was about 6 feet
away he
> jumped up and ran off. He was ok just trying to hide on the redish brown
> trail which was the same color as him.
>
> I continued on with my ride and when I loaded my bike about 7 it
started to
> sprinkle.  I went home happy.

John's pic on the double is pretty amazing. If only he had meant to do that:)
Great pics though John. If you roll across any more good ones let me know.

Ryan

Jon R <jrichardson42@...> wrote:

Here are some of the pictures I took at Mena.

(1) Jon pulling up a little too hard on the double
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20002.jpg

(2) Ryan on the same jump
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20005.jpg

(3) Michael takes the easy way
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20008.jpg

(4) Jon launches off the last jump
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20016.jpg

(5) Jon on the landing
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20017.jpg

(6) Ryan on the podium (2nd Sport)
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20018.jpg

(7) Jon on the podium (2nd Limited Travel)
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20020.jpg


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that's weird

ds


On May 31, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Derral wrote:

> Ligers exist, and they are huge.
>
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> I went to the Tuesday in the trees ride tonight at 6 and nobody
showed up.
> The racers were finishing up their two hour training rides and I
guess
> everyone else thought it would rain so they stayed home.  Well I
went off
> alone anyway and I am glad I decided to ride.  The air was cool
and the
> trail was perfect.  No bugs, no weeds and no sand.  I was just
crusing along
> trying to pick perfect lines on a perfect trail and enjoying every
minute
> when about half way through the green I saw something on the trail
that
> looked like a jackrabbit.  I dodged it and then stopped and got
off the bike
> and went back to look.  There laying motionless on the trail was a
little
> fawn, still had all the white spots, probably didn't weigh over 20
lbs.  I
> thought he might be hurt so I got closer and when I was about 6
feet away he
> jumped up and ran off. He was ok just trying to hide on the redish
brown
> trail which was the same color as him.
>
> I continued on with my ride and when I loaded my bike about 7 it
started to
> sprinkle.  I went home happy.                      I thought you
were gonna say you saw one of those Ligers.

I being the king of el cheapo bikes past-can answer on this one.
  When I first discovered Bluff Creek over 3 years ago, I had an old,
old hard-tail schwinn. It of course worked me bad with its all steel
frame.
  I then discovered "Next" bikes at Wal-mart, and bought a full
suspension 60 dollar bike. It was also quite heavy-and I suffered
through flat tire after flat tire-strpped gears, etc. Bike lasted
less than a year. I graduated to the almost $100. Next bike, in its
pretty blue and silver color. Most of all, I graduated to a much
lighter aluminum frame. I started making it up hills I couldnt
before. But these bikes only lasted a little over a year before
gears were stripping out also (and broken shocks).
   I know that most of this group is probably rolling with laughter
by now. Because I have been told so many times by my good intended
fellow bikers that if I was to get serious about mountain biking, I
should invest some money in a good bike. They ARE right. But not
everyone-especially me-can afford a $1,500. bike. I need repairs on
my personal car before I will pay that much for a bike.
   Recently, I purchased a Schwinn S30 mountain bike with full
suspension for $250.00. The difference between the $250. Schwinn and
the cheapo next bikes are like night and day. The Schwinn is so much
better quality its unbelievable. Much better bearings all around.The
Shram shifting is superb. I took it to clearbay the day after I
bought it and flew through the woods. At this time, I am very very
satisfied with my Schwinn-which has a 1 year warranty by the way.
   These guys all know what they are talking about-if you can afford
an expensive bike-get one. Dont waste your time or money on cheapo
wal mart bikes-you'll be the last one out of the woods everytime.
But for right now, Im satisfied with my Schwinn until I get my car
fixed up. Hope this helps

I went to the Tuesday in the trees ride tonight at 6 and nobody showed up.
The racers were finishing up their two hour training rides and I guess
everyone else thought it would rain so they stayed home.  Well I went off
alone anyway and I am glad I decided to ride.  The air was cool and the
trail was perfect.  No bugs, no weeds and no sand.  I was just crusing along
trying to pick perfect lines on a perfect trail and enjoying every minute
when about half way through the green I saw something on the trail that
looked like a jackrabbit.  I dodged it and then stopped and got off the bike
and went back to look.  There laying motionless on the trail was a little
fawn, still had all the white spots, probably didn't weigh over 20 lbs.  I
thought he might be hurt so I got closer and when I was about 6 feet away he
jumped up and ran off. He was ok just trying to hide on the redish brown
trail which was the same color as him.

I continued on with my ride and when I loaded my bike about 7 it started to
sprinkle.  I went home happy.

I went to walk NuDraper this evening.....trying to test a rain/wind
jacket for the first time.  No such luck.   :)


It only sprinkled for a bit, then stopped.  There was a brief light
rain later.  I stayed at the trailhead for awhile after my walk,
reading a book.  When I left at 10:00ish there were still dry spots on
the road beneath some trees.


Can't speak for Bluff or Clearbay, but NuDraper and Anderson should
have absolutely perfect riding conditions tomorrow!  GO!


Chris (p.s. - the deer are spunky with the moisture.  Didn't see any
liger tracks, though, and it would have been ideal tracking weather.
They're probably hiding.....or relocating to Anderson!)


--- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Hider" <khider1@c...> wrote:
> I wonder if bluff creek or nu draper will be dry on wednesday, we got
> some rain today, not sure how much on the trails though. how do you
> guys know if its too wet to ride, just go out and see?

I noticed a lot of scratchs on the roots and rocks, so I guess Im not
the only one hitting them, lol. I used to ride motorcycles on hills
like that but im having trouble with the pedals. my foot slipped off
the pedal and kinda got hung up somehow, so now I have a sore foot to
deal with. I guess I just got to practice. I was wondering why people
take there kickstand off there bikes, is it to make them lighter? is
there anything else you can do to make a heavy bike lighter, other
than getting a new bike?

Here are some of the pictures I took at Mena.

(1) Jon pulling up a little too hard on the double
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20002.jpg

(2) Ryan on the same jump
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20005.jpg

(3) Michael takes the easy way
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20008.jpg

(4) Jon launches off the last jump
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20016.jpg

(5) Jon on the landing
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20017.jpg

(6) Ryan on the podium (2nd Sport)
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20018.jpg

(7) Jon on the podium (2nd Limited Travel)
http://members.cox.net/jrichardson42/Mena%202005%20020.jpg

Matts off riding bigger mountainbike with a twist  throttle


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I wonder if bluff creek or nu draper will be dry on wednesday, we got
some rain today, not sure how much on the trails though. how do you
guys know if its too wet to ride, just go out and see?

Where is Matt Fulks with his answers to everything when one asks? The
bikes powered by fossil fuels must have taken over him.

Tire pressures- I weigh 175. When I started riding 3 1/2 years ago, I
used 28 psi. As I got more daring(not better) I increased pressure to
help prevent the sidewall of the tire from folding over when
cornering. I now use 34 to 38 (depends on which trail I'm at), slower
or faster flowing trail will make a difference. Everyone has there own
preference/ experience. I also use a tire with less knobs (semi-
tread). The larger knobs usually have more give in the corners, like a
tire without enough air, but more bite in loose conditions. For me the
OKC trails have enough 'hardpack' trail bed to use a tire with less
tread.

That's been my personal testing and results.


Pete Singleton
Personal tire guru




--- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Hider" <khider1@c...> wrote:
> Is it better to lower the rear tire pressure for climbing? I bought
a
> cheapo ht bike just to see if I like riding, It seems like a lot of
> fun, this bike is really heavy though. what is the best cheap bike
> that is still good and solid and changes gears smooth, without
> spending a lot? are shwinn bikes good, they have some good prices.
> What are your favorite bike stores in the OKC area? Oh yea what is a
> Liger that someone was being chased by?

you should be careful with that favorite animal stuff kev.... don't forget that
the deer still have your front wheel out at bluff and they might start up again
too!

Kevin Peake <mntbikefan1@...> wrote:A Liger is 1/2 lion 1/2 tiger with
mystical powers ...........pretty much our favorite animal lol . all kidding
aside I dont think there is a set perfect air pressure . I think its mostly
personal prefferance ( I run tube tires at 45 psi) I have heard of people
running tubless tires @ 25 psi ( seems alittle low to me) & I wouldnt be
comfortable at that pressure . I wouldnt run more than the  maximum pressure
though . Kevin

Kenneth Hider <khider1@...> wrote:Is it better to lower the rear tire
pressure for climbing? I bought a
cheapo ht bike just to see if I like riding, It seems like a lot of
fun, this bike is really heavy though. what is the best cheap bike
that is still good and solid and changes gears smooth, without
spending a lot? are shwinn bikes good, they have some good prices.
What are your favorite bike stores in the OKC area? Oh yea what is a
Liger that someone was being chased by?




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you might also want to do a search for "liger" on the past posts.... if forrest
would quit with the genetics experiments then those big kitties would quit
chasing him!

mountain bikers are much worse than fisherman with their stories so brace
yourself!!

Derral <di9999@...> wrote:
Ligers exist, and they are huge.

http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/cross02a.htm

There's even a website dedicated to the eradication of Ligers,

http://www.antiliger.com/

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A Liger is 1/2 lion 1/2 tiger with mystical powers ...........pretty much our
favorite animal lol . all kidding aside I dont think there is a set perfect air
pressure . I think its mostly personal prefferance ( I run tube tires at 45 psi)
I have heard of people running tubless tires @ 25 psi ( seems alittle low to me)
& I wouldnt be comfortable at that pressure . I wouldnt run more than the 
maximum pressure though . Kevin

Kenneth Hider <khider1@...> wrote:Is it better to lower the rear tire
pressure for climbing? I bought a
cheapo ht bike just to see if I like riding, It seems like a lot of
fun, this bike is really heavy though. what is the best cheap bike
that is still good and solid and changes gears smooth, without
spending a lot? are shwinn bikes good, they have some good prices.
What are your favorite bike stores in the OKC area? Oh yea what is a
Liger that someone was being chased by?




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Ligers exist, and they are huge.

http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/cross02a.htm

There's even a website dedicated to the eradication of Ligers,

http://www.antiliger.com/

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Is it better to lower the rear tire pressure for climbing? I bought a
cheapo ht bike just to see if I like riding, It seems like a lot of
fun, this bike is really heavy though. what is the best cheap bike
that is still good and solid and changes gears smooth, without
spending a lot? are shwinn bikes good, they have some good prices.
What are your favorite bike stores in the OKC area? Oh yea what is a
Liger that someone was being chased by?

I don't know yet but I think Jon is about to get hooked on the sport. He
really liked Mena.
   -----Original Message-----
   From: earthbike@yahoogroups.com [mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Clifton Sisk
   Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:05 AM
   To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [earthbike] hey John Richardson...


   Jon

   Are you and your son going to go to Cass on June 26th for the DH race?

   Clifton

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   From: earthbike@yahoogroups.com [mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com] On
   Behalf Of Jon R
   Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:19 PM
   To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [earthbike] hey John Richardson...


   I just got back tonight and had to go through about 287 crap emails
   before I saw yours.  I havn't had a chance to download yet but I have a
   few pictures, stay tuned.
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   Behalf Of Ryan DeLong
     Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:14 PM
     To: earthbike
     Subject: [earthbike] hey John Richardson...


     Hey John, how did you're Mena pics turn out? Would you mind emailing
   me a copy of them? Thanks...had fun out there with you guys. Tell John
   Jr. I said congrats!

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i like hardtails these days, if you get the right frame (i like scandium) and
tire setup (hi-volume tubeless), you get a plenty comfy ride, and the lighter
weight will certainly help. full suspension will hook up better on the loose
stuff, that's a no-brainer, but if you have decent technique you can make just
about anything.

(all of this is dependent on keeping  your tires from not flatting and keeping
you sub 3 pound frame from getting all bent up after being chased by Ligers into
a ditch at draper.)

Steven Edstrom <okdrsteve@...> wrote:
that's where ss comes in....lite and portable....i can WALK up
anything!!

DS


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> A small light one that you can carry works best.  :)
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Having a little momentum can't hurt. Learn where your trouble spots are and be
sure and get enough speed before going into them. Like Clifton said, time your
stroke so your pedals and crankarms won't contact root and rocks. The more you
ride, the better you'll get. The better you get, the sooner you'll be able to
climb stuff like that. I also find that it helps to stand there and watch
someone else climb it. Watch their speed and their technique...then copy.
Welcome to the best sport ever.

Ryan



Kenneth Hider <khider1@...> wrote:
how do you guys make it to the top of a hill that has roots and stuff
on it? seems like I get stuck right at the top where the roots are,
also is there a trick to going over stumps and roots without your
pedals hitting? I dont have a problem on level ground, but when going
uphill, and need to be pedaling, my pedals want to hit the stumps and
stuff. I did try using  the lowest gear to climb the hill, most hills
dont give me trouble,except the ones with the roots, I see guys going
right up them, so I know it can be done. Sorry for all the stupid
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that's where ss comes in....lite and portable....i can WALK up
anything!!

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hard tail single speed....or a soft tail 29er......my biassed opinion
of course!!!

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Don't sweat it, it's not like you're born knowing this stuff ... Where are you
riding at???  I would guess Turkey or Keystone.... It takes alot of practice and
you have to find that sweet spot on your bike were you can sit and spin to get
over those roots and stumps with out spinning out or losing your bite...

Kenneth Hider <khider1@...> wrote:how do you guys make it to the top of a
hill that has roots and stuff
on it? seems like I get stuck right at the top where the roots are,
also is there a trick to going over stumps and roots without your
pedals hitting? I dont have a problem on level ground, but when going
uphill, and need to be pedaling, my pedals want to hit the stumps and
stuff. I did try using  the lowest gear to climb the hill, most hills
dont give me trouble,except the ones with the roots, I see guys going
right up them, so I know it can be done. Sorry for all the stupid
questions.




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Sit on the nose of your saddle.  shift your weight foreward just as you get over
the top of the obstacle and power into the pedal stroke. That will carry you
over just about any rock or root.  Back pedal ever so slightly to clear rocks
and roots without bashing the cranks and stopping short.  it requires that you
shift your weight foreward as you do it to carry momentum foreward during the
back pedal.


I will be hosting my basic mtn bike skills clinic in Cass, AR on june 26th. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Hider [mailto:khider1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:26 PM
To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [earthbike] steep hills with roots


how do you guys make it to the top of a hill that has roots and stuff
on it? seems like I get stuck right at the top where the roots are,
also is there a trick to going over stumps and roots without your
pedals hitting? I dont have a problem on level ground, but when going
uphill, and need to be pedaling, my pedals want to hit the stumps and
stuff. I did try using  the lowest gear to climb the hill, most hills
dont give me trouble,except the ones with the roots, I see guys going
right up them, so I know it can be done. Sorry for all the stupid
questions.





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Good point. A side note, if anyone is looking for a SUPER sticky rear
tire check out the Kenda Nevegal StickE rubber tire.

This thing sticks like no other tire I've ever used before, but beware
the StickE rubber rolls really slow compared to others. Its a
trade-off, but for technical climbing I haven't found anything that
comes close to this tire.

--- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, Paula <lists@j...> wrote:
> Depends on what you're climbing, too.  I just put a new Hutchinson
"On the
> Rocks" rear tire on my HT and I noticed a world of difference in my
rocky
> climbing.
>
> Paula

how do you guys make it to the top of a hill that has roots and stuff
on it? seems like I get stuck right at the top where the roots are,
also is there a trick to going over stumps and roots without your
pedals hitting? I dont have a problem on level ground, but when going
uphill, and need to be pedaling, my pedals want to hit the stumps and
stuff. I did try using  the lowest gear to climb the hill, most hills
dont give me trouble,except the ones with the roots, I see guys going
right up them, so I know it can be done. Sorry for all the stupid
questions.

Depends on what you're climbing, too.  I just put a new Hutchinson "On the
Rocks" rear tire on my HT and I noticed a world of difference in my rocky
climbing.

Paula

Its all about weight transfer and timing when climbing technical trails.  A
light hardtail will outclimb almost any FS if you have the skill and power.


-----Original Message-----
From: Clifton Sisk [mailto:csisk@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:52 PM
To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [earthbike] Best bike for climbing


A small light one that you can carry works best.  :)

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Behalf Of Kenneth Hider
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:35 PM
To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [earthbike] Best bike for climbing


What do you guys think is the best bike for climbing hills? Is a hard
tail the best? And what name brand do you guys use, or recomend?





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I agree with Brent, however I have found I personally seem to climb
technical stuff better on a full. It may just be technique, but I stay
seated on my dual squish and make it up some nasty technical climbs
that I don't get up on my HT.


--- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, Brent Wilson <okcycler@y...> wrote:
> He's right its a gravity thing, the less weight the better... An ht
is typically lighter than fs, I would love to have a high end Scott
ht, Bianchi ht or a Specialized S- Works ht , they're really light
frames and they look super sporty...
>
> Clifton Sisk <csisk@o...> wrote: A small light one that you can
carry works best.  :)
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Kenneth Hider
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:35 PM
> To: earthbike@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [earthbike] Best bike for climbing
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> What do you guys think is the best bike for climbing hills? Is a hard
> tail the best? And what name brand do you guys use, or recomend?
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