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Re: Fwd: 3 foot rule

It's important to know the various laws pertaining to bicycle operation
on the road if we're to discuss them clearly, and it's even more
important to do so if we want to influence motorists and law makers.
Frankly, there's a lot of wiggle room and gray areas. We have a right
to use the public road provided we do so legally, so the following
always leads to discussion in a Smart Cycling class.

All of this can be found at:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/index.asp?ftdb=STOKST&level=1
I've included it in case the hyperlinks are stripped away by Yahoo.

Impeding traffic:

§ 11-804. Minimum Speed Regulation

<http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=82324>
Note that it says "No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow
speed as to impede..." Under Oklahoma law, bicycles are devices
propelled by human power, not motor vehicles. We have all the rights
and all the duties of any other vehicle operator "except to those
provisions of this title which by their nature can have no
application."


As far right as is safe - NOT as far right as possible - it's not the
same:
§ 11-1205. Riding on Roadways and Bicycle Paths

<http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=82367>
11-1205 also addresses riding two abreast, and says that it's OK
provided it doesn't impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic.
I'd think that on a typical 12 feet wide Oklahoma lane where an
overtaking motorist will have to straddle or cross the centerline even
if there's a single cyclist, riding two abreast doesn't change this
'normal and reasonable' practice. But then again, I'm not an attorney.


Overtaking bicyclists - the three foot law:

§ 11-1208. Overtaking Bicycles - Penalties
<http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=447064\
>
That piece Chuck posted may be the first-ever enforcement of the 3 feet
passing law, though it didn't specifically say so. My opinion - the 3
foot law is largely a feel-good measure because even obvious violations
- like the one in Tulsa recently - don't result in charges. That could
still change if the DA adds to the charges.

OK, I'm done. Now you can argue amongst yourselves!

Ed Wagner
League of American Bicyclists
Instructor 1065

--- In earthbike@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Doswell" <trailjedi@...> wrote:
>
> I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and
five abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty
of most infractions as the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists
most of the time as well. If everyone stopped thinking about it as "us
and them" things would probably go a lot smoother. We as cyclists also
need to police ourselves, and ride according to the traffic laws we wave
in the faces of angry drivers.
> E



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FYI - amy ... From: chuck davis <dang.chuck@...> Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus...... To:...
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Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by roadies who insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a conversation and...
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I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of most infractions...
Eric Doswell
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Jul 5, 2009
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You can ride two abreast, but you also cannot impede the flow of traffic and must yield when that's the case. That goes for a single cyclist as well as two...
Chris
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Jul 5, 2009
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It's important to know the various laws pertaining to bicycle operation on the road if we're to discuss them clearly, and it's even more important to do so if...
Ed
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Jul 6, 2009
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The whole 'cannot impede the flow of traffic' thing is iffy as far as I'm concerned. The argument could (and is) made that a single cyclist on the road impedes...
Eric Doswell
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Eric, You hit the nail square on the head. T VĀ  ... From: Eric Doswell <trailjedi@...> Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule To:...
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It is a lot easier to safely (and legally) pass a group of tightly packed riders than the same number spread out over a longer distance. I don't think most...
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Gosh, this may be better than the leaf war was. Maybe next time I won't pass on information. LOL - Amy ... [Non-text portions of this message have been...
Amy Cooper
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We have to argue about something, otherwise all there is to do is ride;-) -- Sent from my Palm Pre Amy Cooper wrote: Gosh, this may be better than the leaf war...
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Thanks for the reminder. I do realize that. I agree with your statement "we have to argue about something, otherwise all there is to do is ride." Sometimes...
Amy Cooper
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Unfortunately, the three foot law didn't help me any. When motorists are not paying attention (putting on makeup. talking or texting on phone, reading,...
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