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From: Amy Cooper <sandbox@...>
Subject: Re: [earthbike] Re: Fwd: 3 foot rule
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Thanks for the reminder. I do realize that. I agree with your statement =
"we
have to argue about something, otherwise all there is to do is ride."
Sometimes I get a little down.
Just that I have been informed by a few select persons in so many words i=
n
the past that this original OEF yahoo forum is a dinosaur with no function
and needed to be killed asap. Yet I (and the former group owner Dennis
Lee) never believed that and kept it ongoing despite the difficulties had o=
n
occasions with some people. Forums are for communication and
discussions. The comments and arguments on the above is just additional
proof that there is value to this simple forum.
Rest assured, passing on of any related bike info will be continued
regardless of what criticisms may come my way. - Amy
>
>
> We have to argue about something, otherwise all there is to do is ride;-)
>
> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
> Amy Cooper wrote:
>
> Gosh, this may be better than the leaf war was. Maybe next time I won't
> pass
> on information. LOL
> - Amy
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > It is a lot easier to safely (and legally) pass a group of tightly pack=
ed
> > riders than the same number spread out over a longer distance. I don't
> > think most motorists think of it that way though.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/5/2009 1:34:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > trailjedi@... <trailjedi%40gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > The whole 'cannot impede the flow of traffic' thing is iffy as far as I=
'm
> > concerned. The argument could (and is) made that a single cyclist on th=
e
> > road impedes traffic flow. I'm gonna drop that and let the lawyers argu=
e
> it
> >
> > out.
> > I agree that a lot of cyclists display bad habits on the road, I've see=
n
> > it today as a matter of fact. The habits of cyclists AND drivers have
> both
> > degraded in the last 24 years. My thinking is that it's not a cyclist o=
r
> > motorist issue, but one of a widespread decrease in courtesy and an
> > increase
> > in self-centeredness. (Yeah, I may have just made that word up, I'll le=
t
> > the
> > English teachers sort it) That attitude has nothing to do with what
> vehicle
> >
> > you choose to get you around or what kind of recreation you enjoy. It h=
as
> > everything to do with people feeling like they are the most important
> thing
> >
> > in their world, and that anything else just impedes them on their
> > important mission to get home in time for Lost or keep their heartrate =
in
> > zone 4 or
> > whatever.
> > As long as we keep thinking of this as us vs them, we will continue to
> > have problems. Next time you're on your bike or in your car, just assum=
e
> > the
> > motorist or cyclist you are interacting with is your kids principal or
> your
> >
> > neighbor or your best friends grandma. I mean c'mon, would you yell at
> > grandma?
> > E
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris
> > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<earth=
bike%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:19 AM
> > Subject: [earthbike] Re: Fwd: 3 foot rule
> >
> > You can ride two abreast, but you also cannot impede the flow of traffi=
c
> > and must yield when that's the case. That goes for a single cyclist as
> well
> >
> > as two abreast.
> >
> > Laws aside, it's just common courtesy to get single file for traffic.
> > Since I started cycling 24 years ago, I've seen a really bad degradatio=
n
> of
> >
> > cyclists' skills and roadside manners. I love road cycling, still do it
> > sometimes, but honestly for about 70% of the riders I've witnessed or
> > ridden with
> > in Oklahoma, I'm sorry but I'd have to side the the motorist a lot of t=
he
> > time, and I hate saying that. :( The stupid thing is that the more it
> > escalates and people flip the bird or get uppity about something (on
> either
> > side
> > of the "war"), an accelerator pedal and 2 ton machine are going to win
> > every time. Ain't worth the conflict to me...seen it happen to many
> times.
> >
> > --- In _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<ea=
rthbike%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> > ,
> > "Eric Doswell" wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and fi=
ve
> > abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of
> most
> > infractions as the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists most o=
f
> > the time as well. If everyone stopped thinking about it as "us and them=
"
> > things would probably go a lot smoother. We as cyclists also need to
> police
> >
> > ourselves, and ride according to the traffic laws we wave in the faces =
of
> > angry drivers.
> > > E
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: chris pittman
> > > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<ear=
thbike%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> >
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:06 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by
> > roadies who insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a
> > conversation and then flip you off with they're self righteous attitude=
s!
> > >
> > > ____________ ____ ____
> > > From: Amy Cooper
> > > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com<ear=
thbike%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> >
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
> > > Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
> > >
> > > FYI - amy
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: chuck davis
> > > Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
> > > Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
> > > To: obs <_ok-bike-society@ok-bike-sociok-_
> > (mailto:ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com<ok-bike-society%40yahoogroups.c=
om>
> )
> > >, BLN <_BLN@... <_BLN%40yahoogroups.BLN><_BLN%40yaho=
ogroups.BLN>_ (mailto:
> > BLN@yahoogroups.com <BLN%40yahoogroups.com> ) >,
> > TAT <
> > > _TAT-OK@... <_TAT-OK%40yahoogroups.TAT><_TAT-OK%40yaho=
ogroups.TAT>_ (mailto:
> > TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com <TAT-OK%40yahoogroups.com> ) >, Tulsa
> > Wheelmen <_wheelmen@yahoogroupwheel_ (mailto:wheelmen@...=
m<wheelmen%40yahoogroups.com>
> )
> > >, OBL <
> > > _okbicycleliving@okbicyclelivokb_
> > (mailto:okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com<okbicycleliving%40yahoogroups.c=
om>
> )
> > >, TeamBikeBuddies <
> > > _TeamBikeBuddies@TeamBikeBuddTea_
> > (mailto:TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com<TeamBikeBuddies%40yahoogroups.c=
om>
> )
> > >
> > >
> > > I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across
> the
> > > country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"
> > >
> > > I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocac=
y
> > > groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM
> > >
> > > ...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine)
> > claim
> > > to be nationally 3rd!
> > >
> > > Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over
> the
> > > past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has
> been
> > > more of a bitching exercise than anything else
> > >
> > > In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter=
,
> > the
> > > below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot
> > violation
> > > butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"
> > >
> > > =E2=80=9CBrunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation
> > >
> > > Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a
> state
> > > law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when
> passing
> > > bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the
> afternoo
> > n of
> > > April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the a=
rm
> > with
> > > his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't
> be
> > in
> > > the road.
> > >
> > > The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received=
a
> > $137
> > > traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist,
> said
> > > Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violatio=
n
> > also
> > > known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the
> > motorist
> > > with driving to endanger, a criminal offense.=EF=BF=BD
>
> > >
> > > BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chuck Davis
> > > OK Velo (Okvelo@...)
> > > Tulsa, OK
> > >
> > > When ya really bored and/or otherwise want to understand just how coo=
l
> a
> > > dude I yam, czech the deranged drivel and nonsense below:
> > >
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> > > _http://okvelo.http://okhttp_ (http://okvelo.blogspot.com/)
> > > _http://allweighscrahttp://allweihttp_
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> > >
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Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by roadies who insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a conversation and...
I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of most infractions...
You can ride two abreast, but you also cannot impede the flow of traffic and must yield when that's the case. That goes for a single cyclist as well as two...
It's important to know the various laws pertaining to bicycle operation on the road if we're to discuss them clearly, and it's even more important to do so if...
The whole 'cannot impede the flow of traffic' thing is iffy as far as I'm concerned. The argument could (and is) made that a single cyclist on the road impedes...
It is a lot easier to safely (and legally) pass a group of tightly packed riders than the same number spread out over a longer distance. I don't think most...
Gosh, this may be better than the leaf war was. Maybe next time I won't pass on information. LOL - Amy ... [Non-text portions of this message have been...
We have to argue about something, otherwise all there is to do is ride;-) -- Sent from my Palm Pre Amy Cooper wrote: Gosh, this may be better than the leaf war...
Thanks for the reminder. I do realize that. I agree with your statement "we have to argue about something, otherwise all there is to do is ride." Sometimes...
Unfortunately, the three foot law didn't help me any. When motorists are not paying attention (putting on makeup. talking or texting on phone, reading,...
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