We have to argue about something, otherwise all there is to do is ride;-)

-- Sent from my Palm Pre
Amy Cooper wrote:

Gosh, this may be better than the leaf war was. Maybe next time I won't pass
on information. LOL
- Amy

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> It is a lot easier to safely (and legally) pass a group of tightly packed
> riders than the same number spread out over a longer distance. I don't
> think most motorists think of it that way though.
>
> Terry
>
>
> In a message dated 7/5/2009 1:34:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> trailjedi@...  writes:
>
> The whole 'cannot impede the flow of traffic' thing is iffy as far as I'm
> concerned. The argument could (and is) made that a single cyclist on the
> road impedes traffic flow. I'm gonna drop that and let the lawyers argue it
>
> out.
> I agree that a lot of cyclists display bad habits on the road, I've seen
> it today as a matter of fact. The habits of cyclists AND drivers have both
> degraded in the last 24 years. My thinking is that it's not a cyclist or
> motorist issue, but one of a widespread decrease in courtesy and an
> increase
> in self-centeredness. (Yeah, I may have just made that word up, I'll let
> the
> English teachers sort it) That attitude has nothing to do with what vehicle
>
> you choose to get you around or what kind of recreation you enjoy. It has
> everything to do with people feeling like they are the most important thing
>
> in their world, and that anything else just impedes them on their
> important mission to get home in time for Lost or keep their heartrate in
> zone 4 or
> whatever.
> As long as we keep thinking of this as us vs them, we will continue to
> have problems. Next time you're on your bike or in your car, just assume
> the
> motorist or cyclist you are interacting with is your kids principal or your
>
> neighbor or your best friends grandma. I mean c'mon, would you yell at
> grandma?
> E
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris
> To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
>
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:19 AM
> Subject: [earthbike] Re: Fwd: 3 foot rule
>
> You can ride two abreast, but you also cannot impede the flow of traffic
> and must yield when that's the case. That goes for a single cyclist as well
>
> as two abreast.
>
> Laws aside, it's just common courtesy to get single file for traffic.
> Since I started cycling 24 years ago, I've seen a really bad degradation of
>
> cyclists' skills and roadside manners. I love road cycling, still do it
> sometimes, but honestly for about 70% of the riders I've witnessed or
> ridden with
> in Oklahoma, I'm sorry but I'd have to side the the motorist a lot of the
> time, and I hate saying that. :( The stupid thing is that the more it
> escalates and people flip the bird or get uppity about something (on either
> side
> of the "war"), an accelerator pedal and 2 ton machine are going to win
> every time. Ain't worth the conflict to me...seen it happen to many times.
>
> --- In _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
> ,
> "Eric Doswell"  wrote:
> >
> > I believe by law cyclists are allowed two abreast. Three, four and five
> abreast as is commonly seen is not cool. We cyclists are as guilty of most
> infractions as the motorists we rage about. We're also motorists most of
> the time as well. If everyone stopped thinking about it as "us and them"
> things would probably go a lot smoother. We as cyclists also need to police
>
> ourselves, and ride according to the traffic laws we wave in the faces of
> angry drivers.
> > E
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: chris pittman
> > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thats in Maine. I guarantee OK is different. I get VERY agitated by
> roadies who insist on riding abreast for no other reason than to have a
> conversation and then flip you off with they're self righteous attitudes!
> >
> > ____________ ____ ____
> > From: Amy Cooper
> > To: _earthbike@yahoogrouearthb_ (mailto:earthbike@yahoogroups.com)
>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:45 PM
> > Subject: [earthbike] Fwd: 3 foot rule
> >
> > FYI - amy
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: chuck davis
> > Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
> > Subject: [ok-bike-society] Three foot rule enforced, plus......
> > To: obs <_ok-bike-society@ok-bike-sociok-_
> (mailto:ok-bike-society@yahoogroups.com)
> >, BLN <_BLN@... <_BLN%40yahoogroups.BLN>_ (mailto:
> BLN@yahoogroups.com ) >,
> TAT <
> > _TAT-OK@... <_TAT-OK%40yahoogroups.TAT>_ (mailto:
> TAT-OK@yahoogroups.com ) >, Tulsa
> Wheelmen <_wheelmen@yahoogroupwheel_ (mailto:wheelmen@yahoogroups.com)
> >, OBL <
> > _okbicycleliving@okbicyclelivokb_
> (mailto:okbicycleliving@yahoogroups.com)
> >, TeamBikeBuddies <
> > _TeamBikeBuddies@TeamBikeBuddTea_
> (mailto:TeamBikeBuddies@yahoogroups.com)
> >
> >
> > I try and follow and otherwise keep up with what is happening across the
> > country as pertains to bicycling road use "advocacy"
> >
> > I support and maintain memberships in a number of bicyclist's advocacy
> > groups; my favorite is my "home state's" group, Maine's BCM
> >
> > ...........from a bicycling friendly state prospective, they (Maine)
> claim
> > to be nationally 3rd!
> >
> > Three (3) foot passing rules have been a popular item nationally over the
> > past year; ostensible lack of enforcement thereof in many cases has been
> > more of a bitching exercise than anything else
> >
> > In the Summer 2009 issue of the the "Maine Cyclist", BCM's newsletter,
> the
> > below is reported; knot only a traffic citation for the three foot
> violation
> > butt a criminal complaint of "endangerment"
> >
> > “Brunswick Police Cite Motorist for 'Three-Foot" Violation
> >
> > Brunswick police may have issued the state's first citation under a state
> > law that requires motorists to give three feet of clearance when passing
> > bicyclists. The motorist allegedly passed two bicyclists on the afternoo
> n of
> > April 12 on Maine Street in Brunswick and struck one of them in the arm
> with
> > his sports utility vehicle, then stopped and told them they shouldn't be
> in
> > the road.
> >
> > The bicyclists reported the incident to police. The motorist received a
> $137
> > traffic ticket for failure to use due care when passing a bicyclist, said
> > Lt. Mark Waltz of the Brunswick Police Department. That is a violation
> also
> > known as the "three-foot law." Waltz said police also charged the
> motorist
> > with driving to endanger, a criminal offense.�
> >
> > BCM Summer 2009 Newsletter, p.6
> >
> > --
> > Chuck Davis
> > OK Velo (Okvelo@...)
> > Tulsa, OK
> >
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> >
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