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RE: [cyclomania] Fw: Re: [CTC-RTR] Discrimination against cyclists

I fully agree with you on this one Roy.

 

Some of the language in the media boarders on incitement to violence against cyclists.

 

On the radio station TalkSport the presenters often speak out against cyclists and there never seems to be anyone to put forward the opposite view.

 

Anthony Beal

Chester

 

-----Original Message-----
From: cyclomania@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cyclomania@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Spilsbury
Sent: 21 May 2006 15:18
To: CTC-RTR@yahoogroups.com
Cc: ctc-cymru-committee@...; cyclomania; Max Wallis
Subject: [cyclomania] Fw: Re: [CTC-RTR] Discrimination against cyclists

 

For information

 

I've pasted below email and letter from Paul Loftus, Rhyl CC Press Officer.  ' Bill' is Rhyl club President.  I shared with them our debate on discrimination against cyclists..

 

I believe the thrust of what Paul says is generally acknowledged by the public, but needs to be refined in  focussed public debate. Such would occur through a government white paper.  Our aim should be to lobby for one.  But it does need a linking of the sorts of effort Paul is making.   Silence should not be an option for us as organisations, or us as individuals.

 

 

Roy

CTC RTR Denbighshire/Conwy

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: P.Loftus

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:29 PM

Subject: Re: Re: [CTC-RTR] Discrimination against cyclists

 

Hello Roy,

Bill and myself had this very same discussion last Sunday! We are convinced people think you are not a mature adult if you ride a bicycle! It is all to do with British class distinction and an area where historically the cycling Press is culpable as the rest e.g. the forebears of Cycling Weekly carried the following: ''The riding of bicycles does not form part of the Civil Service promotion examinations.'' I am attaching copy of my reply to John Hamer the Civil servant who replied to my original letter to Tessa Jowell - it's worth a few more laps yet. Also hoping to get a meeting with Chris Ruane and Ann Jones about cycling concerns - preparing a briefing sheet - will consult you and let you know when and where if you like?

Regards,

Paul 

 

RHYL CYCLING CLUB

From: Paul Loftus, Press and Public Affairs Officer,

7 Saronie Court, Prestatyn, Denbighshire, Wales. LL19 9NJ

Tel: 01745 855281 -  Mobile: 07789200092  -  Email: jopaul@...

 

John Hamer

Broadcasting Policy Division

Department for Culture, Media and Sport

2-4 Cockspur Street

London

SW1Y 5DH

 

5 May 2006

 

Dear Mr. Hamer,

 

I am in receipt of your letter dated 20 April in response to mine of the 17 March to the Minister.

 

We are well aware of the complaints procedures - a well ridden route I assure you. Cyclists everywhere are heartily sick of the constant stream of abuse and promotion of violence against them in the broadcast and printed media. This is in spite of international publicity on Great Britain’s worst cycling tragedy.

 

Complaints to Ofcom do not bring about improvements in broadcasting standards and that is why we are asking for the Minister’s personal intervention to get this endemic mindset changed, particularly when violent behavior towards public road users is promoted.

 

What is the use of Government, Police Authorities, Local Authorities and other agencies throughout the country trying to reduce road crashes and fatalities when confronted with powerful broadcast messages inciting injury and death towards cyclists?

 

Please consider this: just a few weeks ago in a BBC1 programme entitled My Family, the father turns to other householders in conversation and says ‘‘……. the best place for a cyclist is beneath the wheels of a juggernaut.’’  Substitute child, elderly woman, blind person or just human being under the vehicle’s wheels and it would never have been broadcast. Why is it alright to say cyclist?

 

We are not seeking censorship or curtailment in freedom of expression but merely a civilised sense of decency and responsibility by the media when dealing with road safety issues.

 

Surely a Minister of State has the democratic right and responsibility to encourage the media industry to positively promote road safety issues in place of violent, obnoxious and unacceptable behavior towards road users.

 

It will not be long before even pedestrians in this country also feel the backlash of the powerful, well funded vehicle user lobbies who believe they take precedence over everyone else and that public highways are for their exclusive use.

 

In1934  Winston Churchill abandoned the term Road Tax and introduced Vehicle Excise Duty so that vehicle users ‘’…do not think they own the roads.’’

 

Cyclists use public roads as we have a civic right to do so but drive our vehicles under licence. The income generated from Vehicle Excise Duty is not used directly for road building or maintenance purposes but goes to the Chancellor of the Exchequer as general taxation and spent as he thinks fit. We also contribute significantly to road maintenance and construction costs through local Council Tax contributions and are insured through national cycling organisations or by private arrangements.

 

Our access to expert legal advice and representation is now much improved and often comes as a great shock to motorists caught up in road crashes involving cyclists.

 

Your Department should be reminding broadcasters and editors that this is the case at every opportunity because unless you do so tragedies similar to that of January this year will just keep occurring.

 

Would you be so kind ads to provide some evidence that you are taking up these issues with the media industry as we do not have the resources to do so?

 

I look forward to receiving some assurances from the Minister at the earliest opportunity.

 

 

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

 

Paul Loftus

Rhyl Cycling Club

 

 

 

 

======== At 2006-05-19, 22:00:00 you wrote: ========

 

I would go a step further than 'institutionalised discrimination', John.   It carries complex and deep seated cultural components outside 'institutions' as such. . 

 

I have spent much time pondering the subject.  I have a suspicion one root may have something to do with that 'rite of passage' when moving from the bike to the car is an indication that we have 'grown up'..  But life aint like that. And some find it difficult to accept that you can be just as 'grown up' being a cyclist -and very often you can get first to the front of the queue - which really riles some. 

 

Anyway that aside , I cut and paste a snip of a message I received last night  from Paul Loftus, Press Officer, Rhyl CC.  The club affiliated to Roadpeace shortly after the tragedy.

 

 Paul writes,  Let us know if we can do anything to help Roy - you are right about complacent cyclists - they can be very selfish sometimes. Chris Ruane MP has agreed to join RoadPeace and Ann Jones AM is trying to do something at the Welsh assembly through Alun Pugh.*

 

*Welsh Minister for Culture and Sport. http://www.conwyctc.fsnet.co.uk/pages/alun_pugh.htm

 

 

 

.......................Everything has to start somewhere !

 

nos da

 

Roy

CTC RTR Denbighshire/Conwy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

               


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