Though I don't take a bike on the Chester-Liverpool train, over many years
of commuting I've never seen cyclists have a problem. Rory Miller

--On 24 November 2005 22:12 +0000 Roy Spilsbury
<royspilsbury@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks Nic
>
> I've been over to Liverpool by rail myself a few times recently. On one
> of these I was jammed for hours on St George's Plateau at the behest of
> my grandson Calum, awaiting a football team carrying some sort of trophy.
> I took the opportunity of talking with cyclists on the trains, and got
> the impression like you, that it wasn't a problem. Whether it is at peak
> times, I wonder ?
>
> Forwarding to Dave Holladay CTC HQ for info.
>
> Regards to all
>
> Roy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nic Siddle
> To: cyclomania@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [cyclomania] Fw: Arriva Conwy Valley Rail Line complaint
>
> I've been travelling to Liverpool on the merseyrail train quite a bit
> recently. There are always people with bikes and there rarely seems to be
> any problem or fuss from other passengers - quite re-assuring really
>
> Nic
>
> David Robinson wrote:
>
>
> Roy
>
> I take my bike on the train regularly and rarely have any problems but I
> do have to be assertive. Arriva Trains Wales and Merseyrail are normally
> great with most guards casting aside the 2 bike max rule.
>
> Virgin can be more exacting where pre booking is essential. Voyageurs are
> fine - they can take 4 bikes, hanging from 'meat hooks' and you dont need
> the help of the guard to get on - knowing which end of the train is the
> key and you can tell this by looking at the front of the train as it
> arrives in the station. A horizontal yellow bar on the leading power unit
> means that the bike area is at the other end of the train.
>
> Pendolinos are a pain (fortunatley only two a day pass along the North
> Wales line.) The trains are long and the guard has to open a door to let
> you on and off - often fraught with problems.
>
> Many years ago I failed to meet the Conway Valley connection so requested
> the staff to provide a taxi which would accommodate my bike - they did
> and I was taken through to Blaneau F.
>
> The basic problem is that capacity is limited, although last week I was
> pleased to see that the single units have had some seats taken out
> doubling the bike carrying from 2 to 4.
>
> Nice to hear from you and I hope to make the enquiry next month.
>
> David
>
> Roy Spilsbury <royspilsbury@...> wrote:
>
> The attached letter appeared in the weekly North Wales Pioneer.
>
> As you can see it refers to a most unfortunate experience by a Matt Jones
> and Chris Horlock.
>
> I don't know them. Does anyone know who they are?
>
> I would like them to know that a strategy to take this matter further is
> under consideration. Chris has articulated well a problem of which we are
> all aware. He's gone to the trouble of writing; he and everyone else
> likely
> to fall into this trap deserve our support.
>
> Roy
> CTC RTR Denbighshire/Conwy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy Spilsbury" <royspilsbury@...>
> To: "Dave (CTC) Holladay" <dave.holladay@...>
> Cc: <ctc-cymru-committee@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:49 AM
> Subject: Arriva Conwy Valley Line complaint
>
>
>>
>>
>> Greetings Dave
>>
>> Just come to my attention - complaint in the North Wales Pioneer on 16th
>> November (attached). One way or another I think we should make a
> response.
>> It's a good letter. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Roy
>>
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