I think the Cubs should trade Harden, and restock the system a bit.  They could

try to get a lefty reliever in the deal, but since any team that would likely be

trading for him would be in the race, that would be difficult.  However, I don't

want him here anymore.  He has not been the Rich Harden that came over last

year, and I DON'T want the Cubs signing him to a long-term deal at the end of

the season.



The thing that is so frustrating is that the guy has dominant stuff.  He just

seems to lose focus for an inning or two every game.  He gives up 4 runs, and

with this offense, that is all it takes - GAME OVER.



With all the teams still in the race, I think Harden would probably still

command a decent price.  Especially, from teams who were looking to get Halladay

but missed out.  I understand that he is a FA at the end of the year and that

this will hurt his value.  However, you should still be able to get a decent

prospect or two for him.



The best thing about this deal is that you don't even have to give up on this

year to stock up a little for the future.  To be honest, I think Marshall, or

maybe even Hart if he pitches like he did the other day, would give you just as

much as Harden had been giving us.

Marshall is fantastic as a reliever.



D

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: socherball

   To: cubscoven@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:49 PM

   Subject: [Cubs' Coven] Cubs should trade Harden











   I think the Cubs should trade Harden, and restock the system a bit. They could

try to get a lefty reliever in the deal, but since any team that would likely be

trading for him would be in the race, that would be difficult. However, I don't

want him here anymore. He has not been the Rich Harden that came over last year,

and I DON'T want the Cubs signing him to a long-term deal at the end of the

season.



   The thing that is so frustrating is that the guy has dominant stuff. He just

seems to lose focus for an inning or two every game. He gives up 4 runs, and

with this offense, that is all it takes - GAME OVER.



   With all the teams still in the race, I think Harden would probably still

command a decent price. Especially, from teams who were looking to get Halladay

but missed out. I understand that he is a FA at the end of the year and that

this will hurt his value. However, you should still be able to get a decent

prospect or two for him.



   The best thing about this deal is that you don't even have to give up on this

year to stock up a little for the future. To be honest, I think Marshall, or

maybe even Hart if he pitches like he did the other day, would give you just as

much as Harden had been giving us.











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With Dempster out I'm not sure we can afford to get rid of Harden right

now.  Now... if Marquis was still around... ;)



I'd be concerned about moving Marshall back into the rotation.  He is our

only lefty in the pen.  Well, we called up Waddell today but I don't trust

him yet.



On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:49 PM, socherball <socherball2@...> wrote:



> I think the Cubs should trade Harden, and restock the system a bit.  They

> could try to get a lefty reliever in the deal, but since any team that would

> likely be trading for him would be in the race, that would be difficult.

>  However, I don't want him here anymore.  He has not been the Rich Harden

> that came over last year, and I DON'T want the Cubs signing him to a

> long-term deal at the end of the season.

>

> The thing that is so frustrating is that the guy has dominant stuff.  He

> just seems to lose focus for an inning or two every game.  He gives up 4

> runs, and with this offense, that is all it takes - GAME OVER.

>

> With all the teams still in the race, I think Harden would probably still

> command a decent price.  Especially, from teams who were looking to get

> Halladay but missed out.  I understand that he is a FA at the end of the

> year and that this will hurt his value.  However, you should still be able

> to get a decent prospect or two for him.

>

> The best thing about this deal is that you don't even have to give up on

> this year to stock up a little for the future.  To be honest, I think

> Marshall, or maybe even Hart if he pitches like he did the other day, would

> give you just as much as Harden had been giving us.

>

>

>

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>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>





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I thought we sent down Waddell after we took him off the dl, and called up one

of the kids we got in the Ruthosa trade?



D



   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Chris Lohroff

   To: cubscoven@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:14 PM

   Subject: Re: [Cubs' Coven] Cubs should trade Harden











   With Dempster out I'm not sure we can afford to get rid of Harden right

   now. Now... if Marquis was still around... ;)



   I'd be concerned about moving Marshall back into the rotation. He is our

   only lefty in the pen. Well, we called up Waddell today but I don't trust

   him yet.



   On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:49 PM, socherball <socherball2@...> wrote:



   > I think the Cubs should trade Harden, and restock the system a bit. They

   > could try to get a lefty reliever in the deal, but since any team that would

   > likely be trading for him would be in the race, that would be difficult.

   > However, I don't want him here anymore. He has not been the Rich Harden

   > that came over last year, and I DON'T want the Cubs signing him to a

   > long-term deal at the end of the season.

   >

   > The thing that is so frustrating is that the guy has dominant stuff. He

   > just seems to lose focus for an inning or two every game. He gives up 4

   > runs, and with this offense, that is all it takes - GAME OVER.

   >

   > With all the teams still in the race, I think Harden would probably still

   > command a decent price. Especially, from teams who were looking to get

   > Halladay but missed out. I understand that he is a FA at the end of the

   > year and that this will hurt his value. However, you should still be able

   > to get a decent prospect or two for him.

   >

   > The best thing about this deal is that you don't even have to give up on

   > this year to stock up a little for the future. To be honest, I think

   > Marshall, or maybe even Hart if he pitches like he did the other day, would

   > give you just as much as Harden had been giving us.

   >

   >

   >

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   >

   > Yahoo! Groups Links

   >

   >

   >

   >



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You're right.  I misread the transactions list.  We brought up Stevens.

He's a righty, which means we'd have no lefties in the pen.



On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Dwayne C <dwayne@...> wrote:



> I thought we sent down Waddell after we took him off the dl, and called up

> one of the kids we got in the Ruthosa trade?

>

> D

>

>  ----- Original Message -----

>  From: Chris Lohroff

>  To: cubscoven@yahoogroups.com

>  Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:14 PM

>  Subject: Re: [Cubs' Coven] Cubs should trade Harden

>

>

>

>

>

>  With Dempster out I'm not sure we can afford to get rid of Harden right

>  now. Now... if Marquis was still around... ;)

>

>  I'd be concerned about moving Marshall back into the rotation. He is our

>  only lefty in the pen. Well, we called up Waddell today but I don't trust

>  him yet.

>

>  On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:49 PM, socherball <socherball2@...> wrote:

>

>  > I think the Cubs should trade Harden, and restock the system a bit. They

>  > could try to get a lefty reliever in the deal, but since any team that

> would

>  > likely be trading for him would be in the race, that would be difficult.

>  > However, I don't want him here anymore. He has not been the Rich Harden

>  > that came over last year, and I DON'T want the Cubs signing him to a

>  > long-term deal at the end of the season.

>  >

>  > The thing that is so frustrating is that the guy has dominant stuff. He

>  > just seems to lose focus for an inning or two every game. He gives up 4

>  > runs, and with this offense, that is all it takes - GAME OVER.

>  >

>  > With all the teams still in the race, I think Harden would probably

> still

>  > command a decent price. Especially, from teams who were looking to get

>  > Halladay but missed out. I understand that he is a FA at the end of the

>  > year and that this will hurt his value. However, you should still be

> able

>  > to get a decent prospect or two for him.

>  >

>  > The best thing about this deal is that you don't even have to give up on

>  > this year to stock up a little for the future. To be honest, I think

>  > Marshall, or maybe even Hart if he pitches like he did the other day,

> would

>  > give you just as much as Harden had been giving us.

>  >

>  >

>  >

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>  > Yahoo! Groups Links

>  >

>  >

>  >

>  >

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>

>

>

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