On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Dwayne <dwayne@...> wrote:

> As unthinkable as this might sound, what about trading Lee?
> D
>
>

I'm not sure how "unthinkable" that is.  I believe Will suggested it when he
saw Hoffpauir bat LAST spring training... as much as I hate to admit it!!!
;)


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On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Will <cubfanwill@...> wrote:

> The Cubs offense has not looked anything like I was hoping it would
> look.
>

I'm not too concerned yet.  Ramirez has missed a lot of time.  Lee isn't
hitting.  I think it will get much better.  There is no reason to think it
will be worse than last year.


>
> I think Soriano in the 2 hole is a terrible mistake - he should be in
> the 5 hole.
>

Agreed!  I am tired of hearing people talk about Soriano's numbers in the 1
hole vs. other spots in the lineup.  His numbers in the #5 spot are very
similar, especially if you think the walk number he put up in the 2006
season in Washington was a blip. (bb's 29,23,38,33,33,*67*,31).


>
> I don't think Roberts would make a difference.  DeRosa isn't the
> problem, or part of it.  It will be a huge mistake to mortgage the
> future for no real gain.


I'm on the fence here.  I'd be content if the trade happened (depending on
what we gave up) mostly because it means Soriano won't be leading off and
I'll be content if it doesn't happen.


>
> The two best hitters this spring (Murton & Hoffpauir) won't have a
> place to play when the regular season comes.


At least not on the Cubs...


>
>
> Fukudome hasn't lived up to the hype so far - but it's surely too
> soon to give up.  At least he's drawing walks as advertised.  How
> long before the bleacher bums start booing him if he doesn't start
> hitting?


His translator simply needs to convince him the BOOOOOOOOOO is English for
"We love ya anyway you bum!!!"

>
>
> How long 'til Lee starts hitting?  How long will Lou let Lee struggle
> before putting Hoffpauir in?


I fear we have the DLee back that takes the first 2 months of the season
off.  I hope that's not the case.  I think Lee could be hitting .230 in June
and he'd still be playing everyday.  I like Hoffpauir's bat, but I hate
giving up the defense.  Lee makes Ramirez look like a gold glove third
baseman.  I suspect if we got rid of Lee, twice a week we'd find ourselves
saying "Lee would have gotten that".


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As unthinkable as this might sound, what about trading Lee?
D
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Will
   To: cubscoven@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:24 PM
   Subject: [Cubs' Coven] How concerned are you?


   The Cubs offense has not looked anything like I was hoping it would
   look.

   I think Soriano in the 2 hole is a terrible mistake - he should be in
   the 5 hole.

   I don't think Roberts would make a difference. DeRosa isn't the
   problem, or part of it. It will be a huge mistake to mortgage the
   future for no real gain.

   The two best hitters this spring (Murton & Hoffpauir) won't have a
   place to play when the regular season comes.

   Fukudome hasn't lived up to the hype so far - but it's surely too
   soon to give up. At least he's drawing walks as advertised. How
   long before the bleacher bums start booing him if he doesn't start
   hitting?

   How long 'til Lee starts hitting? How long will Lou let Lee struggle
   before putting Hoffpauir in?

   So many questions....





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On the bright side... The Cardinals absolutely suck.
hahahahahahahaahaha!

Even better - Izturis (who I called the most overrated player in the
bigs when he came to the Cubs and I was roundly criticized, but I
digress) is hitting .139, has shown the defensive range of a small
shrubbery, and can't throw all the way to first base.

Again - hahahahahahahahahahaha!




On Mar 20, 2008, at 12:24 AM, Will wrote:

> The Cubs offense has not looked anything like I was hoping it would
> look.
>
> I think Soriano in the 2 hole is a terrible mistake - he should be in
> the 5 hole.
>
> I don't think Roberts would make a difference. DeRosa isn't the
> problem, or part of it. It will be a huge mistake to mortgage the
> future for no real gain.
>
> The two best hitters this spring (Murton & Hoffpauir) won't have a
> place to play when the regular season comes.
>
> Fukudome hasn't lived up to the hype so far - but it's surely too
> soon to give up. At least he's drawing walks as advertised. How
> long before the bleacher bums start booing him if he doesn't start
> hitting?
>
> How long 'til Lee starts hitting? How long will Lou let Lee struggle
> before putting Hoffpauir in?
>
> So many questions....
>
>
>

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur




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The Cubs offense has not looked anything like I was hoping it would
look.

I think Soriano in the 2 hole is a terrible mistake - he should be in
the 5 hole.

I don't think Roberts would make a difference.  DeRosa isn't the
problem, or part of it.  It will be a huge mistake to mortgage the
future for no real gain.

The two best hitters this spring (Murton & Hoffpauir) won't have a
place to play when the regular season comes.

Fukudome hasn't lived up to the hype so far - but it's surely too
soon to give up.  At least he's drawing walks as advertised.  How
long before the bleacher bums start booing him if he doesn't start
hitting?

How long 'til Lee starts hitting?  How long will Lou let Lee struggle
before putting Hoffpauir in?

So many questions....

Fair enough.


On Mar 15, 2008, at 1:26 AM, Will wrote:

> You make a good point...trading Maddux for Izturis was an
> unforgiveable offense. Even so - Himes refused to sign Maddux after
> his first Cy Young award...and every single one of those wins in a
> Braves uniform should've rightfully been in a Cubs uni.
> I am no fan of Hendry, but let's just say if Hendry walked across the
> street in front of my car, I'd hit the pedal on the left...for Himes
> I'd put the pedal on the right on the floor.
>
>
> .
>
>

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur




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You make a good point...trading Maddux for Izturis was an
unforgiveable offense.  Even so - Himes refused to sign Maddux after
his first Cy Young award...and every single one of those wins in a
Braves uniform should've rightfully been in a Cubs uni.
I am no fan of Hendry, but let's just say if Hendry walked across the
street in front of my car, I'd hit the pedal on the left...for Himes
I'd put the pedal on the right on the floor.

--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, Frank Evans <kerouac@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know, Will...   I mean, it was bad when Himes made the
> mistake the first time.  But then we did it again!
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Will wrote:
>
> > I just took a peek at Greg Maddux's lifetime stats...wherever you
are,
> > Larry Himes...this F U is for you....
> >
> > The Cubs are the most badly mismanaged franchise in the history of
> > professional sports, and Larry Himes was the worst offender in the
> > history of the franchise.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur
>
>
>
>
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>

I don't know, Will...   I mean, it was bad when Himes made the
mistake the first time.  But then we did it again!




On Mar 13, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Will wrote:

> I just took a peek at Greg Maddux's lifetime stats...wherever you are,
> Larry Himes...this F U is for you....
>
> The Cubs are the most badly mismanaged franchise in the history of
> professional sports, and Larry Himes was the worst offender in the
> history of the franchise.
>
>
>

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur




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On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Will <cubfanwill@...> wrote:

>
>
> But they are both willing to take a walk (take a look at Fuld's OBP
> in Spring training) - which is why it is totally unfair to mention
> either of them in the same breath as Neifi.
>
>
Precisely... not to mention that they are both very young and are still
developing.


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--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "James Hoffa" <cubbiebluestew@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lohroff" <chris@> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:56 PM, James Hoffa <cubbiebluestew@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Obviously, Daryl Ward has the left handed power pinch hitting
role
> > > locked up, and it would be really "Dusty-like" to have Cintron,
> > > Fontenot, Fuld or someone of that Neifi ilk on the 25 man roster
> > >
> > >
> > I'm with you on Cintron, but explain how Fontenot or Fuld are "of
> Neifi
>
>
> Fuld has yet to show that he can hit big league pitching and the
second
> time through the league opposing pitchers seemed to have Fontenot
> figured out.
>

But they are both willing to take a walk (take a look at Fuld's OBP
in Spring training) - which is why it is totally unfair to mention
either of them in the same breath as Neifi.

Nevertheless, Fuld's catch up in the ivy and doubling off the runner
earned him a place in my heart forever, even if he did go to Stanfoo.

--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lohroff" <chris@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:56 PM, James Hoffa <cubbiebluestew@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Obviously, Daryl Ward has the left handed power pinch hitting role
> > locked up, and it would be really "Dusty-like" to have Cintron,
> > Fontenot, Fuld or someone of that Neifi ilk on the 25 man roster
> >
> >
> I'm with you on Cintron, but explain how Fontenot or Fuld are "of
Neifi


Fuld has yet to show that he can hit big league pitching and the second
time through the league opposing pitchers seemed to have Fontenot
figured out.

I just took a peek at Greg Maddux's lifetime stats...wherever you are,
Larry Himes...this F U is for you....

The Cubs are the most badly mismanaged franchise in the history of
professional sports, and Larry Himes was the worst offender in the
history of the franchise.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:56 PM, James Hoffa <cubbiebluestew@...>
wrote:

>
> Obviously, Daryl Ward has the left handed power pinch hitting role
> locked up, and it would be really "Dusty-like" to have Cintron,
> Fontenot, Fuld or someone of that Neifi ilk on the 25 man roster
>
>
I'm with you on Cintron, but explain how Fontenot or Fuld are "of Neifi
ilk?"


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--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "Will" <cubfanwill@...> wrote:
>
> I assume everyone has had a chance to see this guy play?  He showed
> he had nothing left to prove at AAA before he hurt his knee last
> year, and he's picked up in Spring Training right where he left off.
> He's earned a job on a major league roster (that we won't get), and
> the Cubs will lose him to minor league free agency at the end of the
> year if he remains at AAA.
>
> Bad luck for him that he's got D. Lee blocking him at 1st base.  The
> Cubs could surely use Hoffpauir's powerful left handed bat in the
> lineup,

Obviously, Daryl Ward has the left handed power pinch hitting role
locked up, and it would be really "Dusty-like" to have Cintron,
Fontenot, Fuld or someone of that Neifi ilk on the 25 man roster

I assume everyone has had a chance to see this guy play?  He showed
he had nothing left to prove at AAA before he hurt his knee last
year, and he's picked up in Spring Training right where he left off.
He's earned a job on a major league roster (that we won't get), and
the Cubs will lose him to minor league free agency at the end of the
year if he remains at AAA.

Bad luck for him that he's got D. Lee blocking him at 1st base.  The
Cubs could surely use Hoffpauir's powerful left handed bat in the
lineup, but Lee's not going to sit on the bench.  If the Cubs weren't
looking to make a run at the series this year, it would be a no-
brainer to trade Lee and give Hoffpauir the job...but they are.  If
things don't go according to plan, and they've fallen out of
contention by mid-season, then Lee will be traded for prospects to
make room for Hoffpauir, but let's hope that doesn't happen.

I have a bad feeling that the Cubs will wind up trading Hoffpauir
instead of Lee...and I bet two years from now the Cubs will wish they
had traded Lee while his stock price was high and held Hoffpauir.  It
will be worth it if Lee brings us a world series ring this year, but
that's a pretty big if.

Does anyone know if the Cubs can avoid minor league free agency
eligibility for Hoffpauir just by promoting him to the major league
roster in September when rosters expand?

No.  This is not another post about Felix Pie.  This is about Mr
Fukudome and his adjustment to American pitching, or lack thereof.
According to the Sun Times the fastball in Japan doesn't move.  I guess
that it just lays there waiting to be hit.  But if it doesn't move why
do they call it "fast"?  Why don't they call it "a defenseless spheroid
about to be clobbered with a wooden bat"?  Or aluminum if that is more
accurate in Japan.  I too would be struggling if I was accustomed to
hitting a baseball off of a T and suddenly there is a guy out there
throwing a moving fastball in my direction.  Did I say "struggling"?  I
would be terrified.

--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lohroff" <chris@...> wrote:
>
> Well I'm here to tell ya, to don't "play through" a testicular
torsion.

They sewed his testicle to the wall of the scrotum.  The treatment
sounds worse than the problem.

Well I'm here to tell ya, to don't "play through" a testicular torsion.  I
suspect some of this stuff wouldn't be an issue during the season, but it's
the first week of spring training so I don't see the big deal.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Kerry <ksmithfinancial@...> wrote:

> What ever happened to the good ol days where you played through the
> injuries for fear that you would lose your spot on the line-up.
> Instead it is all about who has the most sand in their vagina.
>
> --- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "James Hoffa" <cubbiebluestew@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Inventory time:
> > 1.  DeRosa-irregular heartbeat
> > 2.  Soriano-broken finger
> > 3.  Pie-serious owie
> > 4.  Ramirez-sore shoulder
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry" <ksmithfinancial@...> wrote:
>
> What ever happened to the good ol days where you played through the
> injuries for fear that you would lose your spot on the line-up.
> Instead it is all about who has the most sand in their vagina.

I will give DeRosa a pass.  Losing consciousness and having to have an
operation in order to insert a catheter from your groin up to your
heart is fairly substantial.  Even at that he is worried about Roberts
showing up to displace him. So he is agitating to be in the lineup.
On the other hand, Ramirez' sore shoulder just seems like more of the
same to me. He knows that he will be the starting third baseman as long
as he wants to suit up.

What ever happened to the good ol days where you played through the
injuries for fear that you would lose your spot on the line-up.
Instead it is all about who has the most sand in their vagina.

--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "James Hoffa" <cubbiebluestew@...>
wrote:
>
> Inventory time:
> 1.  DeRosa-irregular heartbeat
> 2.  Soriano-broken finger
> 3.  Pie-serious owie
> 4.  Ramirez-sore shoulder
>

Inventory time:
1.  DeRosa-irregular heartbeat
2.  Soriano-broken finger
3.  Pie-serious owie
4.  Ramirez-sore shoulder

Hilarious!




First LOL in the Coven for awhile.




:-)




-Jesse


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lohroff <chris@...>
To: cubscoven@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 8:01 am
Subject: [Cubs' Coven] Freak injuries




























Is anyone else besides me sick enough to think that the Pie and Soriano

injuries might be related?



Back to work...



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Is anyone else besides me sick enough to think that the Pie and Soriano
injuries might be related?

Back to work...


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The Reds sign Corey Patterson and Jerry Hairston Jr. to minor league
contracts.

http://tinyurl.com/2zgnee

This takes me back to a conversation we had perhaps 9 months ago where Will
boldly predicted that CP would be out of baseball in 2-3 years.  Considering
the lack of interest in him after not being able to contribute to perhaps
the third worst team in the AL last year, I'm thinking Will might prove to
be right!!!


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I was in middle school when I had mine.  Ouch.

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Frank Evans <kerouac@...> wrote:

> Had it my freshman year in college.  Most painful thing I can even
> imagine.  I know there is no way to possibly prove it, but I would
> wager that it is approximately 248 times more painful than natural
> childbirth.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Had it my freshman year in college.  Most painful thing I can even
imagine.  I know there is no way to possibly prove it, but I would
wager that it is approximately 248 times more painful than natural
childbirth.

Seriously, people:



http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/03/03/felix-pie-suffers-tragic-twister-accid\
ent/



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I thought the point of your post was that we now have to worry about
Tony LaRussa trying to sign Soto.



On Mar 1, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Will wrote:

> .I think you're missing the point of the post...I am not
> really saying that I think Soto is guilty...I am pointing out what a
> shame it is that you have to ask the question because so many players
> have cast a shadow on the rest.
>
>
> .
>
>

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur




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First of all...a diet can help you lose weight...there is no diet
that adds muscle.
Second...how can Soto have gone home to Puerto Rico to lose weight
and work out and then participated in the diet program that's only
available in Phoenix and LA?
Third...I think you're missing the point of the post...I am not
really saying that I think Soto is guilty...I am pointing out what a
shame it is that you have to ask the question because so many players
have cast a shadow on the rest.

--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "Dwayne" <dwayne@...> wrote:
>
> I thought Soto went on the same plan as Wood to lose the weight,
and bulk up?
> D
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Will
>   To: cubscoven@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:56 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Cubs' Coven] I hate to even think it...
>
>
>   I'm definitely not jumping to any conclusions...but to be
perfectly
>   honest, if he played for any other team, I'm pretty sure I would.
>
>   I think my previous post is just a symptom of the anger I'm
feeling
>   towards major league baseball, in general. The players, players'
>   union, owners, media, and fans are all complicit in corrupting a
game
>   that I love. I wish the entire steroids and cheating thing would
>   just go away so we could all go back to enjoying the game for
what it
>   is without wondering who is or isn't cheating.
>
>   I really wouldn't mind if every single player with a pro-contract
>   were banned from the game right now - guilt by association - and
the
>   entire sport started with a clean slate.... I'd rather watch a
bunch
>   of weekend warriors turned pro who were actually playing for the
love
>   of the game.
>
>   Who knows...maybe the Cubs would field the best scabs and win it
all!!
>
>   --- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lohroff" <chris@> wrote:
>   >
>   > I can understand your concern, but I'm not going to jump to any
>   conclusions
>   > here. There is a plausible explanation offered on Bleed Cubbie
Blue
>   >
>   > " From this cubs.com notes
>   > column,<http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?
>
ymd=20080228&content_id=2395404&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc>we
>   > learn that Sean Gallagher lost 30 pounds in the offseason,
following
>   > the
>   > same diet that helped Kerry Wood and Geovany Soto get in shape.
The
>   company
>   > that provides the diet plans and meals is called
>   > Sunfare;<http://www.sunfare.com/>at the moment their service is
only
>   > in the Phoenix and Los Angeles areas. It
>   > looks interesting (but pricey)."
>   >
>   > Until I hear something more then just a couple of schlubs
trying to
>   create
>   > news to justify their jobs, I'm not going to assume the worst.
>   >
>   > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Will <cubfanwill@> wrote:
>   >
>   > > I was listening to MLB Radio on XM this morning on the way to
>   work,
>   > > and they were listing their top catcher prospects for this
year.
>   > >
>   > > Soto was #2 on the list (I missed #1..dunno who it was). The
guy
>   was
>   > > talking about Soto's improvement last year...how he went from
a
>   low
>   > > level prospect to a .300+ hitter with power during the '06-'07
>   > > offseason. His AAA stats in '07 really were awesome, as were
his
>   > > September pro stats.
>   > >
>   > > I was feeling very optimistic about the Cubs finally having a
real
>   > > catcher and a real legit developed player from their farm
system.
>   > >
>   > > Then all of a sudden as they were talking about how he lost
30
>   pounds
>   > > and added a bunch of muscle when he went home and worked
out...the
>   > > steroids thing popped into my mind.
>   > >
>   > > In today's era of suspicion, Soto's gotta be as suspicious as
it
>   > > gets, doesn't he?
>   > >
>   > > I hope I'm wrong, and he's an innocent victim of mass
>   suspicion...but
>   > > the fact that I am now wondering if Soto is really a high
hope or
>   > > just another cheater just reinforces the damage that these
selfish
>   > > players have done to the game. Major league baseball needs a
zero
>   > > tolerance policy. I want a lifetime ban after a single
positive
>   test
>   > > and nothing less.
>   > >
>   > > I think all of Clemens's, Palmeiro's, Tejada's, and Bonds's
assets
>   > > should be seized to pay for school programs to teach kids
about
>   the
>   > > dangers of steroid abuse...and the literature should show
>   pictures of
>   > > their sorry asses behind bars so the kids learn it doesn't
pay to
>   > > lie, either.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>   >
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>   >
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