Wish I could feel that good about a #5 pitcher, with an era around 5.
But what about Greg's wishes to play some meaningful games in his last, or
second to last year?
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Frank Evans
   To: cubscoven@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:10 PM
   Subject: Re: [Cubs' Coven] Re: Cubs send Maddux to L.A., Walker to S.D. for
prospect


   I hate everything about the Maddux deal.

   Everyfuckingthing.

   Understand this about me. I was around for the '69 debacle. I didn't
   understand the inevitability of it yet, like Stew, but you can damn
   well bet I cried even more. I soaked up even more Cubness during the
   '70s, when it seemed every other game came down to whether Steve
   Ontiveros could score from first on a George Mitterwald one-hopper to
   the pitcher. I made it into the glorious '80s, which only served to
   humiliate me more. The '90s were a Gary Scott wasteland until our all-
   to-brief playoff appearance of the decade. The new millennium has
   brought similar shame, for similar reasons.

   But through it all, Cubs fans had one thing going for them. Virtually
   every year, there was someone on that team - and usually two or three
   someones - that brought the crowd to its feet in otherwise ordinary
   game situations. Reuschel, Cardenal, Kingman, Sutter, Madlock,
   Buckner - all suffered through dismal days, but offered us hope that
   we would see something special that day. More years than not, that's
   all we had as Cubs fans.

   All we had.

   So we move to this pathetic team. Yeah, you love it when Zambrano
   pitches... once a week. We have a basestealer again. Sorry - big
   whoop. Derrek Lee? Nice 2005. Come back when you're healthy and we'll
   try again. After big Carlos, there was only ONE OTHER reason to watch
   the Cubs this year. And now he's gone again.

   Again.

   I guess that's the part that really gets to me. You see, we screwed
   this thing up once before. Ed Lynch assumed the size of his noggin
   was proportionate to the contents, and he let Greg Maddux slip
   away... Slip away to win three more Cy Youngs and show an entire
   generation that you don't have to be 6'4", have a 100mph whip, or a
   Blyleven bender to make it in the Bigs. He showed a generation what
   you could accomplish with a little savvy, a fierce competitive
   streak, and the willingness to listen to your coaches. He showed them
   how to do it all in a Braves uniform - a travesty.

   So Jim Hendry made the move I figured would establish his place in
   history. He brought Maddux back to us... back where he belonged. Not
   only were we able to see him pick up more wins, but we would get to
   see him pitch his final game in the same shirt he pitched his first
   game in. Who knew... with an extension and some postseason success,
   we could even dream he might wear a "C" to Cooperstown.

   That would have been on Hendry's tombstone - "He brought Maddux home."

   Now, the only thing I want to see on Hendry's tombstone is a "2006."

   You had a chance, man. You put us on the path to getting closure.
   Instead, you traded your one good deed for a slap hitter who couldn't
   beat Neifi Perez in the Home Run Derby. Oh, but he won a Gold Glove?
   Great, except now he can barely throw across the infield. The Dodgers
   even started him at 2nd the other night. So don't give me that Gold
   Glove crap. I'll lay even odds that Maddux wins more Gold Gloves
   AFTER this season than Izturis.

   Rot in Hell, Jim Hendry.




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I hate everything about the Maddux deal.

Everyfuckingthing.

Understand this about me. I was around for the '69 debacle. I didn't
understand the inevitability of it yet, like Stew, but you can damn
well bet I cried even more. I soaked up even more Cubness during the
'70s, when it seemed every other game came down to whether Steve
Ontiveros could score from first on a George Mitterwald one-hopper to
the pitcher. I made it into the glorious '80s, which only served to
humiliate me more. The '90s were a Gary Scott wasteland until our all-
to-brief playoff appearance of the decade. The new millennium has
brought similar shame, for similar reasons.

But through it all, Cubs fans had one thing going for them. Virtually
every year, there was someone on that team - and usually two or three
someones - that brought the crowd to its feet in otherwise ordinary
game situations. Reuschel, Cardenal, Kingman, Sutter, Madlock,
Buckner - all suffered through dismal days, but offered us hope that
we would see something special that day. More years than not, that's
all we had as Cubs fans.

All we had.

So we move to this pathetic team. Yeah, you love it when Zambrano
pitches... once a week. We have a basestealer again. Sorry - big
whoop. Derrek Lee? Nice 2005. Come back when you're healthy and we'll
try again. After big Carlos, there was only ONE OTHER reason to watch
the Cubs this year. And now he's gone again.

Again.

I guess that's the part that really gets to me. You see, we screwed
this thing up once before. Ed Lynch assumed the size of his noggin
was proportionate to the contents, and he let Greg Maddux slip
away... Slip away to win three more Cy Youngs and show an entire
generation that you don't have to be 6'4", have a 100mph whip, or a
Blyleven bender to make it in the Bigs. He showed a generation what
you could accomplish with a little savvy, a fierce competitive
streak, and the willingness to listen to your coaches. He showed them
how to do it all in a Braves uniform - a travesty.

So Jim Hendry made the move I figured would establish his place in
history. He brought Maddux back to us... back where he belonged. Not
only were we able to see him pick up more wins, but we would get to
see him pitch his final game in the same shirt he pitched his first
game in. Who knew... with an extension and some postseason success,
we could even dream he might wear a "C" to Cooperstown.

That would have been on Hendry's tombstone - "He brought Maddux home."

Now, the only thing I want to see on Hendry's tombstone is a "2006."

You had a chance, man. You put us on the path to getting closure.
Instead, you traded your one good deed for a slap hitter who couldn't
beat Neifi Perez in the Home Run Derby. Oh, but he won a Gold Glove?
Great, except now he can barely throw across the infield. The Dodgers
even started him at 2nd the other night. So don't give me that Gold
Glove crap. I'll lay even odds that Maddux wins more Gold Gloves
AFTER this season than Izturis.

Rot in Hell, Jim Hendry.

I'm not too excited about Izturis. He's a hacker. His bat would have
been adequate for normal use in the 70s and 80s, but now, his
numbers are weak.

And actually, teams that had shortstops like Roger Metzger, Enzo
Hernandez, Johnny LeMaster and Rob Picciolo didn't win, anyway.

I'm sad to see Walker go. He was the only one on the Cubs who
understood about on base percentage.


--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, jessemerz@... wrote:
>
> I guess I'm okay with this. I love Maddux and I want him to go to
the HoF as
> a Cub (it's not up to him, so it'll probably be as a Brave). He's
a gentleman
> and we've "grown up" together (I'm 32 and he's 40). Iztirus
has "potential",
> but I am sure that Ronny has more upside. . .
>
>
> /sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060731cubstrade,1,469326.story?coll=cs-
cubs-headlines
> Cubs send Maddux to L.A., Walker to S.D. for prospect
> By Dave van Dyck
> Tribune staff reporter
>
> July 31, 2006, 4:03 PM CDT
>
> The Cubs completed a deal to send future Hall of Fame pitcher Greg
Maddux to
> the Dodgers for infielder Cesar Izturis, who is coming back from
injury.
>
> The Cubs apparently will also pick up some of the $3 million-plus
owed to
> Maddux to complete the deal.
>
> Izturis, an All-Star in 2005, underwent Tommy John elbow surgery
Sept. 16 and
> missed the rest of the season. Upon his return this year, Izturis
hit .252
> with one homer and 12 RBI in 32 games.
>
> Maddux needed to give his approval to the deal. He is 40 years old
with a
> 9-11 record and 4.69 ERA this season. He has 327 victories for his
career and is
> reunited with Dodger GM Ned Colletti, who was with the Cubs during
Maddux's
> first tour.
>
> As expected, the Cubs also traded second baseman Todd Walker at
the
> interleague deadline, getting minor leaguer pitcher Jose Ceda in
return from San Diego.
>
> Ceda is only 19 years old and was signed by the Padres in November
of 2004.
> He is 6-4 and 207 pounds and went 2-0 with a 2.00 ERA in his last
six games for
> the Padres' Arizona League team. Last year he had a 4-2 record and
1.50 ERA
> in 13 games for the Padres Dominican Summer League team. He struck
out 83 while
> walking 29.
>
> Walker has been with the Cubs since the 2004 season. In 333 games
with the
> Cubs, he hit .286 (311-for-1087) with 33 home runs and 130 RBI.
This season,
> much of it played at first base in place of injured Derrek Lee,
Walker batted
> .277 in 94 games.
> Copyright © 2006, The Chicago Tribune
>

You are right that Izurtis is not anything special with the bat, but he did
win a gold glove in 2004. Improved defense, either at 2b or SS is not a bad
thing.

jim in tennessee


On 7/31/06, James Hoffa <cubbiebluestew@...> wrote:
>
>    --- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com <cubscoven%40yahoogroups.com>,
> jessemerz@... wrote:
> >
> > I guess I'm okay with this. I love Maddux and I want him to go to the
> HoF as
> > a Cub (it's not up to him, so it'll probably be as a Brave). He's a
> gentleman
> > and we've "grown up" together (I'm 32 and he's 40). Iztirus
> has "potential",
> > but I am sure that Ronny has more upside. . .
>
> I am not ok with this. Izturis is a bum. Every time the Cubs play the
> Dodgers I relax when Izturis came to bat because he was a soft spot in
> the lineup, not that their lineup had anything special in it. I too am
> a Maddux fan, and even though he has very little left, on this year's
> Cubs it didn't much matter, except that he was the number two starter.
> Who is going to replace him in the rotation? Rusch? The Cubs might as
> well apply for admission into the PCL. I couldn't care less about
> Walker being shipped off, however, and if they got a dozen used tennis
> balls for Nevin it would suit me just fine.
>
>
>


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--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, jessemerz@... wrote:
>
> I guess I'm okay with this. I love Maddux and I want him to go to the
HoF as
> a Cub (it's not up to him, so it'll probably be as a Brave). He's a
gentleman
> and we've "grown up" together (I'm 32 and he's 40). Iztirus
has "potential",
> but I am sure that Ronny has more upside. . .

I am not ok with this.  Izturis is a bum.  Every time the Cubs play the
Dodgers I relax when Izturis came to bat because he was a soft spot in
the lineup, not that their lineup had anything special in it.  I too am
a Maddux fan, and even though he has very little left, on this year's
Cubs it didn't much matter, except that he was the number two starter.
Who is going to replace him in the rotation? Rusch?  The Cubs might as
well apply for admission into the PCL.  I couldn't care less about
Walker being shipped off, however, and if they got a dozen used tennis
balls for Nevin it would suit me just fine.

I guess I'm okay with this. I love Maddux and I want him to go to the HoF as
a Cub (it's not up to him, so it'll probably be as a Brave). He's a gentleman
and we've "grown up" together (I'm 32 and he's 40). Iztirus has "potential",
but I am sure that Ronny has more upside. . .


/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060731cubstrade,1,469326.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines
Cubs send Maddux to L.A., Walker to S.D. for prospect
By Dave van Dyck
Tribune staff reporter

July 31, 2006, 4:03 PM CDT

The Cubs completed a deal to send future Hall of Fame pitcher Greg Maddux to
the Dodgers for infielder Cesar Izturis, who is coming back from injury.

The Cubs apparently will also pick up some of the $3 million-plus owed to
Maddux to complete the deal.

Izturis, an All-Star in 2005, underwent Tommy John elbow surgery Sept. 16 and
missed the rest of the season. Upon his return this year, Izturis hit .252
with one homer and 12 RBI in 32 games.

Maddux needed to give his approval to the deal. He is 40 years old with a
9-11 record and 4.69 ERA this season. He has 327 victories for his career and is
reunited with Dodger GM Ned Colletti, who was with the Cubs during Maddux's
first tour.

As expected, the Cubs also traded second baseman Todd Walker at the
interleague deadline, getting minor leaguer pitcher Jose Ceda in return from San
Diego.

Ceda is only 19 years old and was signed by the Padres in November of 2004.
He is 6-4 and 207 pounds and went 2-0 with a 2.00 ERA in his last six games for
the Padres' Arizona League team. Last year he had a 4-2 record and 1.50 ERA
in 13 games for the Padres Dominican Summer League team. He struck out 83 while
walking 29.

Walker has been with the Cubs since the 2004 season. In 333 games with the
Cubs, he hit .286 (311-for-1087) with 33 home runs and 130 RBI. This season,
much of it played at first base in place of injured Derrek Lee, Walker batted
.277 in 94 games.
Copyright © 2006, The Chicago Tribune

The Cubs just swept the Deadbirds in a 4 game series.  The fact that
the Cubs have now won four in a row, and won a series from the Astros
as well, doesn't mean that this is a streaky team.  In order to be a
streaky team the team would have to show the ability to regularly put
together win streaks.  But since Zambrano is the only reliable starter
that is just not the case.  The team played well against the Deadbirds,
and Dusty even showed signs of managing the team, but I really don't
see any signs that there is hope for the starting rotation, especially
since it is very likely that Maddux will be given away sometime today.

Dusty gets a reprieve but not a new contract.  Haendry says that he
won't fire Dusty, but isn't telling whether he will give him a new
contract.  This season was a goner anyway.  Wait till next year.
Where have we heard that before?

That article was intended to be satirical, but I don't think that it is
that far-fetched.  Someone like Trump could, indeed, buy the Cubs.
Having paid $550 million for it, that person would undoubtedly want to
put his stamp on the team and Wrigley.  Hell, the first thing that
Wrigley did when he bought the club was to rename Weeghman Field.  The
part that I liked was the reference to Wrigley as "The World's Largest
Gay Bar".  I had never heard that before.  At this point one wonders
why all the home games are still being sold out?  The gay bar
suggestion makes sense.

  MSNBC.com

'You're fired!' Trump as Cubs' owner?
Real estate mogul in baseball might not turn out golden
COMMENTARY
By Bob Cook
MSNBC contributor

Updated: 11:52 p.m. PT July 24, 2006
The refrain among Chicago Cubs fans disappointed with a 97th straight World
Series-free year, and not having fans of the Boston Red Sox and Chicago White
Sox to suffer with them anymore, is "fire Dusty Baker" or "fire Jim Hendry" or
even, going all the way to the team president’s office, "fire Andy MacPhail."
But increasingly the refrain among fans is the same as the one chanted by many
stockholders of Cubs owner Tribune Co.: "Fire Dennis FitzSimons."
FitzSimons is the CEO of Tribune Co., a media corporation as beleaguered off
the field as the Cubs are on it. FitzSimons is presiding over a company whose
core newspaper and broadcast revenues are falling, sending its profit and
stock price tanking. One of FitzSimons’ grand plans for a Tribune Co.
turnaround
is a Cub-like, born-loser plan — using borrowed money to buy back Tribune
stock, thus larding such a heavy, multi-billion debt on the company, no one
would
want to take it over.
Another part of FitzSimons’ strategy is to raise cash by selling "noncore"
assets worth $500 million — which just so happens to be the market value of
the
Cubs.
Alas, the Tribune Co. says it’s not selling the Cubs, which in its 25 years
under the Trib domain has been, like "American Idol," an artistic failure, yet
a financial blockbuster. Despite the Tribune Co.’s reluctance to sell, it
seems like everyone else in Chicago wants to be the Trib’s broker, publicly
pleading with the likes of Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to buy the club.
The New York Post reported that Mr. Cub himself, Ernie Banks, had joined with
Mr. Yankees Fan Rudy Giuliani to ask if they could buy the Cubs.
One of the latest potential suitors — if you can call someone who hasn’t put
any money where his considerable mouth is a suitor — is Donald Trump. A host
on WSCR-AM in Chicago — which broadcasts the White Sox — Monday asked the
Donald if he would want to own the Cubs. "I would be interested, yeah," Mr.
Art-of-the-Deal answered. "I think the Cubs are a great franchise, a storied
franchise, an amazing franchise."
He went on, "It's sad to see what's happened to the Cubs, but management
hasn't really done a good job over the years."
Dennis FitzSimons … you’re fired!
It might never happen, for a moment let’s consider a Trump ownership.
Right now it appears Trump could bring some magic and pizzazz that the Cubs
have lacked under the Tribune Co., at least in the years Sammy Sosa was, ahem,
saving baseball. And Trump would appear to have the knack for turning around a
loser organization, given how he rebounded from his own $2 billion debt in
the early 1990s to become a real estate and publicity kingpin again.
But Trump’s business history — such as a bankruptcy filing in 2004 for his
casinos and the fact he ran up that $2 billion debt in the first place — often
shows that behind the flash and dash, there’s not much there there. In fact,
Trump has a history of not putting his money where his considerable mouth is in
whatever he does, and in not exactly being as effective a manager as his
press clips would indicate, like Buck Showalter. So the Trump Cubs era might go
something like this:
Jan. 15, 2007: FitzSimons, miraculously dodging the villagers with pitchforks
and torches outside his office, announces that the Tribune Co. has changed
its mind and will sell the Cubs to Donald Trump for $550 million. Trump says he
will spend big money to build the team. "I will spend so much for quality, I’
ll practically put everyone else out of business," Trump says, conveniently
forgetting the time when his New Jersey Generals did spend the USFL out of
business 21 years ago.
Jan. 17, 2007: SEC filings reveal that Trump purchased the team with $5
million of his own cash and $545 million in debt, raised through bonds sold to
grateful Cubs fans, Ernie Banks and the statue of Harry Caray.
Feb. 10, 2007: In his first splashy move, Trump announces the Cubs have
acquired Alex Rodriguez from the Yankees for Jacque Jones, Michael Barrett and
the
ghost of Kerry Wood. "I have an eye for quality, and A-Rod is quality," a
beaming Trump announces. The kiss Rodriguez throws to Trump goes over his head
and
bounces off a side door.
Feb. 19, 2007: Trump announces that he has purchased Alfonso Soriano for
second, Manny Ramirez for left field, and an option to build a hotel-casino in
right.
March 2, 2007: The first big inkling things will not go well. Trump says he
plans to knock down Wrigley Field and replace it with the $1 billion Trump
Field, with 45,000 gilded seats, fine dining and, for the kids, a play area
where
they can race against a mechanical Trump trying to steal second. For good
measure, he changes the name of the present Wrigley Field to Trump Field, too.
Chicago Sun-Times columnist/contrarian Jay Mariotti points out that Wrigley was
just another corporate titan, too, which earns him another homosexual slur from
White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen.
March 3, 2007: Trump also asks that the surrounding neighborhood stop being
called Wrigleyville, and instead be called Trumpville.
March 10, 2007: Having fired upper management but not having replaced them,
Trump announces the new season of "The Apprentice" will feature contestants
competing to become the general manager. Among the tasks Trump has in store for
his would-be apprentices: seeing who can sell the most "Cubs Suck" and "Wrigley
Field: World’s Largest Gay Bar" T-shirts outside of Wrigley/Trump Field,
rather than outside U.S. Cellular Field.
(And you wonder where Guillen figured he could get away with the slur against
Mariotti?)
March 25, 2007: Trump announces the next phase of his Trump Field/Trumpville
renovation. He says he has bought the buildings on Sheffield Avenue across
from Wrigley/Trump Field, the ones with the bleachers on the roof so people can
see Cubs games without getting into the park, and will knock them down to build
a condo/hotel skyscraper.
"Let’s see how good the view is from those bleacher seats — on the 81st
floor roof," he says.
March 27, 2007: Phase III — instead of celebrities (to be generous) singing
"Take Me Out To the Ball Game" during the seventh-inning stretch, the duties
will be handled only by women whom Trump is dating or marrying.
April 3, 2007: Opening day at Wrigley/Trump Field. Soriano goes 3-for-4 with
two home runs. Rodriguez thinks he hears a boo in the third inning and strikes
out his next three times up. Manny is being Manny. Ivana sings "Take Me Out
to the Ball Game" in Russian. Cubs lose, 10-8.
April 10, 2007: The New York Post Page Six gossip column reports that someone
inside the Trump organization says trade rumors will now be leaked only to
New York-based gossip columnists. It’s a bitter scoop as the New York Daily
News’
  Lloyd Grove reports the same day that Trump and his apprentices, seen dining
at 21, are considering trading pitching ace Carlos Zambrano to the Los
Angeles Angels of Anaheim for Bartolo Colon, Garrett Anderson and rights to a
30-acre parcel in Huntington Beach.

June 1, 2007: Cubs fans, already disturbed by the whole Trump Field thing,
grow restless as the team drops 10 games below .500, even though Rodriguez is
now batting near .400 and fielding flawlessly after figuring out that superfan
Ronnie Wickers was saying "Rodriguez! Woo!" instead of "Rodriguez! Boo!"
June 10, 2007: Attendance at a game falls below 30,000 for the first time.
Some local columnists say Trump’s meddling with all the traditions except the
losing has caused the decline, while others blame an inexplicable snowstorm that
kept Iowa tourists from crossing the Illinois border.
June 20, 2007: Facing unexpected resistance from City Hall, which bowed down
rather easily for his 90-story condo project on the Chicago River, Trump
quietly decides to scale back his grand plans for a new ballpark and
neighborhood
just to installing gold-plated troughs in the men’s bathrooms.
June 23, 2007: Trump tries to gain some good will by going native. He names
Old Style the "Beer of Trump." He starts calling the north side airport "O’
Hara." He proclaims his undying love for Italian beef sandwiches. No one
believes
him. The Cubs lose their seventh straight.
Aug. 10, 2007: Attendance has fallen precipitously as Trump’s hype appears to
have backfired in Chicago. Bondholders start calling for repayment. Trump
offers them each a still-sealed copy of "Trump: The Game." Ernie Banks says,
"Let’
s take two."
Sept. 1, 2007: The Cubs, mired in last place even though Rodriguez is on a
pace to hit 65 home runs, draw 6,000 for their 10-3 loss to San Francisco. "Now
this is my kind of ballpark," Rodriguez says.
Sept. 3, 2007: Bondholders, not happy with their copies of "Trump: The Game,"
demand further repayment. Trump offers them a free course at Trump
University. Ernie Banks says, "Let’s take two."
Sept. 30, 2007: The Cubs lose 13-4 to St. Louis to end the season at 64-98.
Rodriguez is named MVP after hitting 71 home runs and driving in 143. "I want
to thank my teammates and above all, the fans," he says.
"Without you not showing up, I’m not sure I could have done this."
Oct. 5, 2007: With his real-estate ventures on ice and Cubs interest
dropping, bondholders go to court to demand further repayment. Trump offers
vouchers
to his travel site, gotrump.com. Ernie Banks says, "Let’s take … wait a
minute, you want me to take something from a web site called Got Rump?"
Oct. 6, 2007: Trump Cubs Holdings files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
Feb. 1, 2008: Court documents reveal that the leading bidder, at pennies on
the dollar, for Trump Cubs Holdings is Chicago Sun-Times columnist Jay
Mariotti. "I’ve run the Cubs for years from my column," he says.
"Now it’s time to do it for real." However, Mariotti says that for safety
reasons he won’t venture to the clubhouse. Guillen responds with another
homosexual slur.
Bob Cook is a contributor to MSNBC.com and a free-lance writer based in
Chicago.
URL: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14018498/

© 2006 MSNBC.com


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Bonds' lawyer has dared the Justice Department to come after his client
by holding a press conference to announce that the Justice
Department "couldn't indict a ham sandwich".  Wanna bet?

--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, Frank Evans <kerouac@...> wrote:
>
>
> You gotta love this feature of a local website! I'm not sure which
is
> funnier - the content, or the fact that it's done by a local sports
> talk show host.
>
> http://www.insidestl.com/stlsports/index.php?storyid=368
>
>
>
> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur

Classic!

You gotta love this feature of a local website! I'm not sure which is
funnier - the content, or the fact that it's done by a local sports
talk show host.

http://www.insidestl.com/stlsports/index.php?storyid=368



Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur




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--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "James Hoffa" <cubbiebluestew@...>
wrote:
>
> or the desire to talk about that 11 run inning?
>


I was at dinner celebrating my wife's and her grandmother's
birthdays.  The game just happened to be on and I saw the Cubs were up
5-1.  Good news.  Then I saw everything just go to shit.  Really put a
damper on the evening.

How does a pitcher's ERA drop and his trade value increase without
throwing a single pitch?  When the team appeals a play that happened
two months ago, and gets the official scorer for that game to change
his ruling.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-maddux-
scoringchange&prov=ap&type=lgns

Hmm..wonder why the Cubs went to the trouble to do this?!  Could it be
to increase Maddux's value by making his numbers look better?

or the desire to talk about that 11 run inning?

--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, Frank Evans <kerouac@...> wrote:
>
> What? He's not CANNING Dusty? Shit! All this time I was ambivalent
> about him not CANING Dusty... but I assumed he would be canned!

In the past I was angry about the Cubs.  Now I am simply apathetic.
That is a bad sign.

What? He's not CANNING Dusty? Shit! All this time I was ambivalent
about him not CANING Dusty... but I assumed he would be canned!





On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:57 PM, cubbieblueralph wrote:

> He was busy being self-righteous about the fact that he is not canning
> Dusty
>
>
>

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur




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Hendry has wanted Kearns and Soriano for a while. Maybe he told the Nats to get
Kearns, and a deal is in the works.

Bit I agree, the reds got fleeced.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: socherball
   To: cubscoven@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:28 PM
   Subject: [Cubs' Coven] Where the hell was Hendry?


   Today the Reds made a trade with the Nationals to get relievers Gary
   Majewski and Bill Bray along with Royce Clayton.

   No big deal right? Until you hear who the Reds gave up!! To get
   the two relievers and past his prime SS, they gave up starters
   Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez, as well as former first round pick
   Ryan Wagner. There were some other players involved, but these were
   the headliners. Talk about a SWEET deal for Washington.

   All I can say is where was Hendry? You never know if the Reds would
   have dealt in division, but if the Nationals got Kearns and Lopez
   for two relievers and an average SS......we could have made a better
   deal than that! Hell, take Eyre and Williamson. Eyre and Howry.
   Throw in Neifi Perez to play SS. He is just as good, if not better
   than Clayton.

   Kearns is developing into a star, and Lopez was an All-Star at 2b
   last year. You don't think the Cubs could have used a young, power-
   hitting OF, and an All-Star 2b as they rebuild for next year? And
   to get a hard-throwing, albeit struggling, pitcher in addition.

   That is the type of deal we need. Like I said, you never know if
   the Reds would have dealt in division, but Howry, Eyre, and Perez
   look a whole lot better than Majewski, Bray, and Clayton.





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He was busy being self-righteous about the fact that he is not canning
Dusty

Today the Reds made a trade with the Nationals to get relievers Gary
Majewski and Bill Bray along with Royce Clayton.

No big deal right?  Until you hear who the Reds gave up!!  To get
the two relievers and past his prime SS, they gave up starters
Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez, as well as former first round pick
Ryan Wagner.  There were some other players involved, but these were
the headliners.  Talk about a SWEET deal for Washington.

All I can say is where was Hendry?  You never know if the Reds would
have dealt in division, but if the Nationals got Kearns and Lopez
for two relievers and an average SS......we could have made a better
deal than that!  Hell, take Eyre and Williamson.  Eyre and Howry.
Throw in Neifi Perez to play SS.  He is just as good, if not better
than Clayton.

Kearns is developing into a star, and Lopez was an All-Star at 2b
last year.  You don't think the Cubs could have used a young, power-
hitting OF, and an All-Star 2b as they rebuild for next year?  And
to get a hard-throwing, albeit struggling, pitcher in addition.

That is the type of deal we need.  Like I said, you never know if
the Reds would have dealt in division, but Howry, Eyre, and Perez
look a whole lot better than Majewski, Bray, and Clayton.

In a message dated 7/5/06 8:37:04 PM, no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:


> So Laurel likes her men small and childlike. Jesse?
>

5'11" and 201 lbs.

I'm not tiny.

:-)

-Jesse

http://www.JesseMerz.com


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Hit on the elbow with a bat swung by Joey Cora, the White Sox coach.
You tell me that there is no such thing as a curse.

--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, Mo <kooglemo@...> wrote:
>
> Over my career with Clark, I struck him out three times, plucked him
in the hip once and the forearm once, walked him twice and he grounded
out twice. Not at all bad stats with a future Hall of Famer.


Too bad you couldn't have given Maddux a few pointers before the
playoffs in 1989

Over my career with Clark, I struck him out three times, plucked him in the hip
once and the forearm once, walked him twice and he grounded out twice. Not at
all bad stats with a future Hall of Famer.

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--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "sourleg" <sourleg@...> wrote:
>
> A quote from Kerry Wood about his latest injury - "My gut feeling is
> saying no surgery and strengthen it," Wood said. "I've still got to
> get more opinions." Here's an opinion for you - Don't move your arms
> or legs for three months, then hire Chuck Norris and Christie
Brinkley
> as your personal trainers and Steve Stone as your personal pitching
> coach.

Two years ago I hurt my knee while running.  My doctor wouldn't give me
a cortisone shot and want me to rest it instead.  So he put me on
crutches.  After a month not only was the knee no better, I wrecked my
shoulder because of the crutches.  A cortisone shot healed my knee
overnight, but for a year I couldn't lift my right arm higher than
shoulder height.  It is better now, but I don't have to make a living
throwing 95 mph fastballs.  The good thing is that new injury or not,
Wood was not going to win any more games for the Cubs this year, he was
going to lose some, however.  Now Dusty can reinsert Rusch in the
starting rotation.  Hey, how about those Bears?

A quote from Kerry Wood about his latest injury - "My gut feeling is
saying no surgery and strengthen it," Wood said. "I've still got to
get more opinions." Here's an opinion for you - Don't move your arms
or legs for three months, then hire Chuck Norris and Christie Brinkley
as your personal trainers and Steve Stone as your personal pitching
coach.

--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "James Hoffa" <cubbiebluestew@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "kooglemo" <kooglemo@> wrote:
> >
> > WHat is it? Has anyone checked to see what kind of mattress Prior
is
> > sleeping on? I mean, I've pitched more in my little league career
> than
> > he has as a Cub. I had to pitch to Will Clark and Jake Brumfield.
>
> Don't leave us hanging.  Did you strike Clark out?  In answer to
your
> question, I think that Prior is a major head case.  He hurt himself
in
> batting practice.  How fragile can he be?  Have you ever heard of a
> professional baseball player who has strained a muscle swinging a
bat?
>

Have you heard of a major league player hurting himself sneezing...
er..ah...kicking a fan...er..ah.....nevermind!!!

--- In cubscoven@yahoogroups.com, "kooglemo" <kooglemo@...> wrote:
>
> WHat is it? Has anyone checked to see what kind of mattress Prior is
> sleeping on? I mean, I've pitched more in my little league career
than
> he has as a Cub. I had to pitch to Will Clark and Jake Brumfield.

Don't leave us hanging.  Did you strike Clark out?  In answer to your
question, I think that Prior is a major head case.  He hurt himself in
batting practice.  How fragile can he be?  Have you ever heard of a
professional baseball player who has strained a muscle swinging a bat?

WHat is it? Has anyone checked to see what kind of mattress Prior is
sleeping on? I mean, I've pitched more in my little league career than
he has as a Cub. I had to pitch to Will Clark and Jake Brumfield.