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#537

From: "Richard Stowe" <bike.rail.politics@...>
Date: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:24 pm
Subject: bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

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Here is the latest bikes-on-trains-at-peak hours story: http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=7198

Contact Jim Cameron, Commuter Council Chair (he's reading this post, too) to ask him to get on board with us in planning for bike-on-trains-at-peak-hours now.

"People are spending $350, $400 a month and they're standing," says Commuter Rail Council president Jim Cameron, who commutes daily from Darien to New York. "If there's no more room for passengers, how could there be room for bikes?" Cameron suggests revisting the issue in 2012, when all the M8s are scheduled to come online.

Keep in mind that some cyclists, who now pay $350 per month are not even getting on the train (during peak hours.)

Delaying planning for bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours for 4 years is just not an option. Contact Jim at Jim Cameron <jim@...>

Yesterday evening I attended the Central Connecticut Bicycle Alliance annual dinner. State Rep Tom Kehoe was the keynote speaker. He argued forcefully for "bicycle bill" S.B. 299 and including "bikes-on-trains at peak hours" language in a transportation funding bill and broader goals such as smart growth and locally grown food.

State Rep Kehoe strongly urged the bicycle community to contact 4 key legislators + Governor Rell to request passage of a transportation bill, which includes "bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours" language.

Governor M. Jodi Rell <Governor.Rell@...>

State Senator Donald J. DeFronzo <DeFronzo@...> Co-Chair Transportation Committee

State Rep Antonio Guerrera <Tony.Guerrera@...> Co-Chair Transportation Committee

James A. Amman <jim.amman@...> Speaker of the House

State Senator Donald E. Williams <Williams@...> President Pro Tempore

cc: your state rep & state senator

Convey this message to elected officials -

we are seeking the following changes on Metro-North New Haven trains:

(policy change) allowing bicycles on peak hour trains

(policy and design change) including dedicated bicycle parking area on M-8 and CSR train cars

(policy change) discard bicycle permit requirement

Something that State Rep Kehoe did not mention -

Ask the Governor & legislators that the State of Connecticut officially exercise the option to buy the 80 additional cars immediately.

here's the adjusted net seat gain formula: (80 M-8 cars + 300 M-8 cars + CSR rehab) - seat loss for bike parking space = 30 percent increase in seats for New Haven Line

communicate that message separately to Metro-North Railroad (MNR) President, Peter Cannito at <cannito@...>

read carefully:

today I learned that bar cars account for a loss of 92 (out of 120) seats per car and there are currently 10 cars. that = a loss of 920 seats. i also learned that the new M-8 bar cars are still in design. the M-8 bar cars will account for a loss of a minimum of 72 (depending on whether or not they install 28 seats or less) and 10 to 12 maybe ordered accounting for a total loss based on a 12 bar car order of no less than 864 seats.

to put that in perspective, we are asking for space equivalent to 600 seats for a 300 (= 30,000 seat) M-8 car order. with regard to the "CSR" (Critical Systems Replacement rehabbed M-2's), we're seeking Caltrain-style bike cars. out of 132 train cars now committed for the program we're seeking a conversion of 12 train cars to bike cars with a space equivalent to approximately 40 seats (leaving 80 seats intact) per bike car. that's = to converting 480 seats to bike parking space out of a 15,840 seat total in CSR M-2 rehab program.

Summary:

Bar car seat loss = 1784 seats

Bike space seat loss = 1080 seats

Please review these calculations in advance of Monday's ECC meeting in forming our arguments for bike space on trains.

At ECC's meeting Monday Jason Stockmann will confirm the New Haven bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours committee, which will meet with C-DOT official, Gene Colonese. Contact Jason at bauhaus2@...

This also is a call out to volunteers to sit in the New York City delegation, which will meet with Bob MacLagger, the MNR liason whom Peter Cannito assigned for bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours follow up meetings. Steven Faust serves as the organizer of the NYC delegation. Contact Steve at toeclip@...

Richard Stowe

Rail*Trains*Ecology*Cycling

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#538

From: lhoza@...
Date: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

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I would suggest emailing Gov. Rell and ccing the key legislators. The only person with the clout to change the car configuration at this juncture is the governor.

Also, call me ignorant (I am as to how the trains work) but why can't they refit and add one of the old cars to rush hour trains for use exclusively for bikes? I'm sure there's a logical reason why this is impossible but what is it?

Linda

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Stowe
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:25 pm
Subject: [ctbike] bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours
To: ctbike@yahoogroups.com, Elmcitycycling , Steven Faust , Mary Mushinsky , Tom Kehoe , Martha Carol Page , Ron DeGray , Michael Hieb , Michael Replogle , Ellen Jaffe , Christopher Tymniak , Christine Summer , Mike Piedell , Matthew Lee , "Kenneth M. Coughlin" , Adam Horwitch , Ya-Ting Liu , Kate Slevin , Charles Komanoff , Neysa Pranger , "Paul S. White" , Ali Qadeer , Caroline Samponaro , Noah Budnick , Jed Howbert , Charlotte Hitchcock , Franklin Bloomer

> Here is the latest bikes-on-trains-at-peak hours story:
> http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=7198
> Contact Jim Cameron, Commuter Council Chair (he's reading this
> post, too) to
> ask him to get on board with us in planning for bike-on-trains-
> at-peak-hours
> now.
>
> "People are spending $350, $400 a month and they're standing,"
> says Commuter
> Rail Council president Jim Cameron, who commutes daily from
> Darien to New
> York. "If there's no more room for passengers, how could there
> be room for
> bikes?" Cameron suggests revisting the issue in 2012, when all
> the M8s are
> scheduled to come online.
> Keep in mind that some cyclists, who now pay $350 per month are
> not even
> getting on the train (during peak hours.)
>
> Delaying planning for bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours for 4 years
> is just not
> an option. Contact Jim at Jim Cameron
>
>
> Yesterday evening I attended the Central Connecticut Bicycle
> Alliance annual
> dinner. State Rep Tom Kehoe was the keynote speaker. He argued
> forcefullyfor "bicycle bill" S.B. 299 and including "bikes-on-
> trains at peak hours"
> language in a transportation funding bill and broader goals such
> as smart
> growth and locally grown food.
>
> State Rep Kehoe strongly urged the bicycle community to contact
> 4 key
> legislators + Governor Rell to request passage of a
> transportation bill,
> which includes "bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours" language.
>
> Governor M. Jodi Rell
> State Senator Donald J. DeFronzo Co-Chair
> Transportation Committee
> State Rep Antonio Guerrera Co-Chair
> Transportation Committee
> James A. Amman Speaker of the House
> State Senator Donald E. Williams
> President Pro
> Tempore
> cc: your state rep & state senator
>
> Convey this message to elected officials -
> we are seeking the following changes on Metro-North New Haven trains:
> (policy change) allowing bicycles on peak hour trains
> (policy and design change) including dedicated bicycle parking
> area on M-8
> and CSR train cars
> (policy change) discard bicycle permit requirement
>
> Something that State Rep Kehoe did not mention -
> Ask the Governor & legislators that the State of Connecticut
> officiallyexercise the option to buy the 80 additional cars
> immediately.
> here's the adjusted net seat gain formula: (80 M-8 cars + 300 M-
> 8 cars +
> CSR rehab) - seat loss for bike parking space = 30 percent
> increase in seats
> for New Haven Line
>
> communicate that message separately to Metro-North Railroad
> (MNR) President,
> Peter Cannito at
>
> read carefully:
> today I learned that bar cars account for a loss of 92 (out of
> 120) seats
> per car and there are currently 10 cars. that = a loss of 920
> seats. i
> also learned that the new M-8 bar cars are still in design. the
> M-8 bar
> cars will account for a loss of a minimum of 72 (depending on
> whether or not
> they install 28 seats or less) and 10 to 12 maybe ordered
> accounting for a
> total loss based on a 12 bar car order of no less than 864 seats.
>
> to put that in perspective, we are asking for space equivalent
> to 600 seats
> for a 300 (= 30,000 seat) M-8 car order. with regard to the
> "CSR" (Critical
> Systems Replacement rehabbed M-2's), we're seeking Caltrain-
> style bike cars.
> out of 132 train cars now committed for the program we're
> seeking a
> conversion of 12 train cars to bike cars with a space equivalent to
> approximately 40 seats (leaving 80 seats intact) per bike car.
> that's = to
> converting 480 seats to bike parking space out of a 15,840 seat
> total in CSR
> M-2 rehab program.
>
> Summary:
> Bar car seat loss = 1784 seats
> Bike space seat loss = 1080 seats
>
> Please review these calculations in advance of Monday's ECC
> meeting in
> forming our arguments for bike space on trains.
>
> At ECC's meeting Monday Jason Stockmann will confirm the New Haven
> bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours committee, which will meet with C-DOT
> official, Gene Colonese. Contact Jason at bauhaus2@...
>
> This also is a call out to volunteers to sit in the New York
> City delegation,
> which will meet with Bob MacLagger, the MNR liason whom Peter Cannito
> assigned for bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours follow up meetings.
> Steven Faust
> serves as the organizer of the NYC delegation. Contact Steve at
> toeclip@...
>
> Richard Stowe
> Rail*Trains*Ecology*Cycling
>

Linda Hoza
Connecticut Forest & Park Association
Coordinator, Merritt Parkway Trail Alliance
203-355-0687
203-685-1100 (c)
203-504-0442 (f)

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#539

From: Paul Hammer <pauldhammer@...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:17 am
Subject: Re: bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

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Linda -

Re: retrfitting old cars as bike cars: my thinking exactly. I conveyed this idea to Peter Cannito and company at the MTA meeting in New York and reiterated it to Richard Stowe yesterday. Richard did say that many cars are going through CSR, which as I recall, means critical service replacement, and being kept on the rails. So why can't we simply dedicate some for use as bike storage cars?

Paul H.

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From: "lhoza@..." <lhoza@...>
To: ctbike@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:14:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ctbike] bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

I would suggest emailing Gov. Rell and ccing the key legislators. The only person with the clout to change the car configuration at this juncture is the governor.

Also, call me ignorant (I am as to how the trains work) but why can't they refit and add one of the old cars to rush hour trains for use exclusively for bikes? I'm sure there's a logical reason why this is impossible but what is it?

Linda

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Stowe
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:25 pm
Subject: [ctbike] bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours
To: ctbike@yahoogroups. com, Elmcitycycling , Steven Faust , Mary Mushinsky , Tom Kehoe , Martha Carol Page , Ron DeGray , Michael Hieb , Michael Replogle , Ellen Jaffe , Christopher Tymniak , Christine Summer , Mike Piedell , Matthew Lee , "Kenneth M. Coughlin" , Adam Horwitch , Ya-Ting Liu , Kate Slevin , Charles Komanoff , Neysa Pranger , "Paul S. White" , Ali Qadeer , Caroline Samponaro , Noah Budnick , Jed Howbert , Charlotte Hitchcock , Franklin Bloomer

> Here is the latest bikes-on-trains- at-peak hours story:
> http://www.newhaven advocate. com/article. cfm?aid=7198
> Contact Jim Cameron, Commuter Council Chair (he's reading this
> post, too) to
> ask him to get on board with us in planning for bike-on-trains-
> at-peak-hours
> now.
>
> "People are spending $350, $400 a month and they're standing,"
> says Commuter
> Rail Council president Jim Cameron, who commutes daily from
> Darien to New
> York. "If there's no more room for passengers, how could there
> be room for
> bikes?" Cameron suggests revisting the issue in 2012, when all
> the M8s are
> scheduled to come online.
> Keep in mind that some cyclists, who now pay $350 per month are
> not even
> getting on the train (during peak hours.)
>
> Delaying planning for bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours for 4 years
> is just not
> an option. Contact Jim at Jim Cameron
>
>
> Yesterday evening I attended the Central Connecticut Bicycle
> Alliance annual
> dinner. State Rep Tom Kehoe was the keynote speaker. He argued
> forcefullyfor "bicycle bill" S.B. 299 and including "bikes-on-
> trains at peak hours"
> language in a transportation funding bill and broader goals such
> as smart
> growth and locally grown food.
>
> State Rep Kehoe strongly urged the bicycle community to contact
> 4 key
> legislators + Governor Rell to request passage of a
> transportation bill,
> which includes "bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours" language.
>
> Governor M. Jodi Rell
> State Senator Donald J. DeFronzo Co-Chair
> Transportation Committee
> State Rep Antonio Guerrera Co-Chair
> Transportation Committee
> James A. Amman Speaker of the House
> State Senator Donald E. Williams
> President Pro
> Tempore
> cc: your state rep & state senator
>
> Convey this message to elected officials -
> we are seeking the following changes on Metro-North New Haven trains:
> (policy change) allowing bicycles on peak hour trains
> (policy and design change) including dedicated bicycle parking
> area on M-8
> and CSR train cars
> (policy change) discard bicycle permit requirement
>
> Something that State Rep Kehoe did not mention -
> Ask the Governor & legislators that the State of Connecticut
> officiallyexercise the option to buy the 80 additional cars
> immediately.
> here's the adjusted net seat gain formula: (80 M-8 cars + 300 M-
> 8 cars +
> CSR rehab) - seat loss for bike parking space = 30 percent
> increase in seats
> for New Haven Line
>
> communicate that message separately to Metro-North Railroad
> (MNR) President,
> Peter Cannito at
>
> read carefully:
> today I learned that bar cars account for a loss of 92 (out of
> 120) seats
> per car and there are currently 10 cars. that = a loss of 920
> seats. i
> also learned that the new M-8 bar cars are still in design. the
> M-8 bar
> cars will account for a loss of a minimum of 72 (depending on
> whether or not
> they install 28 seats or less) and 10 to 12 maybe ordered
> accounting for a
> total loss based on a 12 bar car order of no less than 864 seats.
>
> to put that in perspective, we are asking for space equivalent
> to 600 seats
> for a 300 (= 30,000 seat) M-8 car order. with regard to the
> "CSR" (Critical
> Systems Replacement rehabbed M-2's), we're seeking Caltrain-
> style bike cars.
> out of 132 train cars now committed for the program we're
> seeking a
> conversion of 12 train cars to bike cars with a space equivalent to
> approximately 40 seats (leaving 80 seats intact) per bike car.
> that's = to
> converting 480 seats to bike parking space out of a 15,840 seat
> total in CSR
> M-2 rehab program.
>
> Summary:
> Bar car seat loss = 1784 seats
> Bike space seat loss = 1080 seats
>
> Please review these calculations in advance of Monday's ECC
> meeting in
> forming our arguments for bike space on trains.
>
> At ECC's meeting Monday Jason Stockmann will confirm the New Haven
> bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours committee, which will meet with C-DOT
> official, Gene Colonese. Contact Jason at bauhaus2@aol. com
>
> This also is a call out to volunteers to sit in the New York
> City delegation,
> which will meet with Bob MacLagger, the MNR liason whom Peter Cannito
> assigned for bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours follow up meetings.
> Steven Faust
> serves as the organizer of the NYC delegation. Contact Steve at
> toeclip@bigfoot. com
>
> Richard Stowe
> Rail*Trains* Ecology*Cycling
>

Linda Hoza
Connecticut Forest & Park Association
Coordinator, Merritt Parkway Trail Alliance
203-355-0687
203-685-1100 (c)
203-504-0442 (f)

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#543

From: dave bonan <shoeshoe14@...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

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when's the next ct commuter rail council meeting? i know it's a swrpa.

thanx

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#546

From: "Richard Stowe" <bike.rail.politics@...>
Date: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:39 am
Subject: Re: bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

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hi dave:

according to the crcc (commuter council) schedule, the april meeting is cancelled - http://www.trainweb.org/ct/agenda.htm

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#540

From: Paul Hammer <pauldhammer@...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:17 am
Subject: Re: bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

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----- Original Message ----
From: "lhoza@..." <lhoza@...>
To: ctbike@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:14:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ctbike] bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

I would suggest emailing Gov. Rell and ccing the key legislators. The only person with the clout to change the car configuration at this juncture is the governor.

Also, call me ignorant (I am as to how the trains work) but why can't they refit and add one of the old cars to rush hour trains for use exclusively for bikes? I'm sure there's a logical reason why this is impossible but what is it?

Linda

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Stowe
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:25 pm
Subject: [ctbike] bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours
To: ctbike@yahoogroups. com, Elmcitycycling , Steven Faust , Mary Mushinsky , Tom Kehoe , Martha Carol Page , Ron DeGray , Michael Hieb , Michael Replogle , Ellen Jaffe , Christopher Tymniak , Christine Summer , Mike Piedell , Matthew Lee , "Kenneth M. Coughlin" , Adam Horwitch , Ya-Ting Liu , Kate Slevin , Charles Komanoff , Neysa Pranger , "Paul S. White" , Ali Qadeer , Caroline Samponaro , Noah Budnick , Jed Howbert , Charlotte Hitchcock , Franklin Bloomer

> Here is the latest bikes-on-trains- at-peak hours story:
> http://www.newhaven advocate. com/article. cfm?aid=7198
> Contact Jim Cameron, Commuter Council Chair (he's reading this
> post, too) to
> ask him to get on board with us in planning for bike-on-trains-
> at-peak-hours
> now.
>
> "People are spending $350, $400 a month and they're standing,"
> says Commuter
> Rail Council president Jim Cameron, who commutes daily from
> Darien to New
> York. "If there's no more room for passengers, how could there
> be room for
> bikes?" Cameron suggests revisting the issue in 2012, when all
> the M8s are
> scheduled to come online.
> Keep in mind that some cyclists, who now pay $350 per month are
> not even
> getting on the train (during peak hours.)
>
> Delaying planning for bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours for 4 years
> is just not
> an option. Contact Jim at Jim Cameron
>
>
> Yesterday evening I attended the Central Connecticut Bicycle
> Alliance annual
> dinner. State Rep Tom Kehoe was the keynote speaker. He argued
> forcefullyfor "bicycle bill" S.B. 299 and including "bikes-on-
> trains at peak hours"
> language in a transportation funding bill and broader goals such
> as smart
> growth and locally grown food.
>
> State Rep Kehoe strongly urged the bicycle community to contact
> 4 key
> legislators + Governor Rell to request passage of a
> transportation bill,
> which includes "bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours" language.
>
> Governor M. Jodi Rell
> State Senator Donald J. DeFronzo Co-Chair
> Transportation Committee
> State Rep Antonio Guerrera Co-Chair
> Transportation Committee
> James A. Amman Speaker of the House
> State Senator Donald E. Williams
> President Pro
> Tempore
> cc: your state rep & state senator
>
> Convey this message to elected officials -
> we are seeking the following changes on Metro-North New Haven trains:
> (policy change) allowing bicycles on peak hour trains
> (policy and design change) including dedicated bicycle parking
> area on M-8
> and CSR train cars
> (policy change) discard bicycle permit requirement
>
> Something that State Rep Kehoe did not mention -
> Ask the Governor & legislators that the State of Connecticut
> officiallyexercise the option to buy the 80 additional cars
> immediately.
> here's the adjusted net seat gain formula: (80 M-8 cars + 300 M-
> 8 cars +
> CSR rehab) - seat loss for bike parking space = 30 percent
> increase in seats
> for New Haven Line
>
> communicate that message separately to Metro-North Railroad
> (MNR) President,
> Peter Cannito at
>
> read carefully:
> today I learned that bar cars account for a loss of 92 (out of
> 120) seats
> per car and there are currently 10 cars. that = a loss of 920
> seats. i
> also learned that the new M-8 bar cars are still in design. the
> M-8 bar
> cars will account for a loss of a minimum of 72 (depending on
> whether or not
> they install 28 seats or less) and 10 to 12 maybe ordered
> accounting for a
> total loss based on a 12 bar car order of no less than 864 seats.
>
> to put that in perspective, we are asking for space equivalent
> to 600 seats
> for a 300 (= 30,000 seat) M-8 car order. with regard to the
> "CSR" (Critical
> Systems Replacement rehabbed M-2's), we're seeking Caltrain-
> style bike cars.
> out of 132 train cars now committed for the program we're
> seeking a
> conversion of 12 train cars to bike cars with a space equivalent to
> approximately 40 seats (leaving 80 seats intact) per bike car.
> that's = to
> converting 480 seats to bike parking space out of a 15,840 seat
> total in CSR
> M-2 rehab program.
>
> Summary:
> Bar car seat loss = 1784 seats
> Bike space seat loss = 1080 seats
>
> Please review these calculations in advance of Monday's ECC
> meeting in
> forming our arguments for bike space on trains.
>
> At ECC's meeting Monday Jason Stockmann will confirm the New Haven
> bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours committee, which will meet with C-DOT
> official, Gene Colonese. Contact Jason at bauhaus2@aol. com
>
> This also is a call out to volunteers to sit in the New York
> City delegation,
> which will meet with Bob MacLagger, the MNR liason whom Peter Cannito
> assigned for bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours follow up meetings.
> Steven Faust
> serves as the organizer of the NYC delegation. Contact Steve at
> toeclip@bigfoot. com
>
> Richard Stowe
> Rail*Trains* Ecology*Cycling
>

Linda Hoza
Connecticut Forest & Park Association
Coordinator, Merritt Parkway Trail Alliance
203-355-0687
203-685-1100 (c)
203-504-0442 (f)

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#541

From: lhoza@...
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:44 am
Subject: Re: bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

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Well -- can anyone explain why we can't retrofit some old cars for bike use? If it's impractical or impossible, we can take it off the table and come up with other ideas. If it's doable, than we can keep pushing it as a possible solution.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Hammer
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: [ctbike] bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours
To: ctbike@yahoogroups.com

>
> Linda -
>
> Re: retrfitting old cars as bike cars: my thinking exactly. I
> conveyed this idea to Peter Cannito and company at the MTA
> meeting in New York and reiterated it to Richard Stowe
> yesterday. Richard did say that many cars are going through
> CSR, which as I recall, means critical service replacement, and
> being kept on the rails. So why can't we simply dedicate some
> for use as bike storage cars?
>
> Paul H.
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "lhoza@..."
> To: ctbike@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:14:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [ctbike] bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours
>
> I would suggest emailing Gov. Rell and ccing the
> key legislators. The only person with the clout to change the
> car configuration at this juncture is the governor.
>
> Also, call me ignorant (I am as to how the trains work) but why
> can't they refit and add one of the old cars to rush hour trains
> for use exclusively for bikes? I'm sure there's a logical reason
> why this is impossible but what is it?
>
> Linda
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Stowe
> Date: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:25 pm
> Subject: [ctbike] bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours
> To: ctbike@yahoogroups. com, Elmcitycycling , Steven Faust ,
> Mary Mushinsky , Tom Kehoe , Martha Carol Page , Ron DeGray ,
> Michael Hieb , Michael Replogle , Ellen Jaffe , Christopher
> Tymniak , Christine Summer , Mike Piedell , Matthew Lee ,
> "Kenneth M. Coughlin" , Adam Horwitch , Ya-Ting Liu , Kate
> Slevin , Charles Komanoff , Neysa Pranger , "Paul S. White" ,
> Ali Qadeer , Caroline Samponaro , Noah Budnick , Jed Howbert ,
> Charlotte Hitchcock , Franklin Bloomer
>
> > Here is the latest bikes-on-trains- at-peak hours story:
> > http://www.newhaven advocate. com/article. cfm?aid=7198
> > Contact Jim Cameron, Commuter Council Chair (he's reading this
> > post, too) to
> > ask him to get on board with us in planning for bike-on-trains-
> > at-peak-hours
> > now.
> >
> > "People are spending $350, $400 a month and they're standing,"
> > says Commuter
> > Rail Council president Jim Cameron, who commutes daily from
> > Darien to New
> > York. "If there's no more room for passengers, how could there
> > be room for
> > bikes?" Cameron suggests revisting the issue in 2012, when all
> > the M8s are
> > scheduled to come online.
> > Keep in mind that some cyclists, who now pay $350 per month
> are
> > not even
> > getting on the train (during peak hours.)
> >
> > Delaying planning for bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours for 4
> years
> > is just not
> > an option. Contact Jim at Jim Cameron
> >
> >
> > Yesterday evening I attended the Central Connecticut Bicycle
> > Alliance annual
> > dinner. State Rep Tom Kehoe was the keynote speaker. He
> argued
> > forcefullyfor "bicycle bill" S.B. 299 and including "bikes-on-
> > trains at peak hours"
> > language in a transportation funding bill and broader goals
> such
> > as smart
> > growth and locally grown food.
> >
> > State Rep Kehoe strongly urged the bicycle community to
> contact
> > 4 key
> > legislators + Governor Rell to request passage of a
> > transportation bill,
> > which includes "bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours" language.
> >
> > Governor M. Jodi Rell
> > State Senator Donald J. DeFronzo Co-Chair
> > Transportation Committee
> > State Rep Antonio Guerrera Co-Chair
> > Transportation Committee
> > James A. Amman Speaker of the House
> > State Senator Donald E. Williams
> > President Pro
> > Tempore
> > cc: your state rep & state senator
> >
> > Convey this message to elected officials -
> > we are seeking the following changes on Metro-North New Haven
> trains:> (policy change) allowing bicycles on peak hour trains
> > (policy and design change) including dedicated bicycle parking
> > area on M-8
> > and CSR train cars
> > (policy change) discard bicycle permit requirement
> >
> > Something that State Rep Kehoe did not mention -
> > Ask the Governor & legislators that the State of Connecticut
> > officiallyexercise the option to buy the 80 additional cars
> > immediately.
> > here's the adjusted net seat gain formula: (80 M-8 cars + 300
> M-
> > 8 cars +
> > CSR rehab) - seat loss for bike parking space = 30 percent
> > increase in seats
> > for New Haven Line
> >
> > communicate that message separately to Metro-North Railroad
> > (MNR) President,
> > Peter Cannito at
> >
> > read carefully:
> > today I learned that bar cars account for a loss of 92 (out of
> > 120) seats
> > per car and there are currently 10 cars. that = a loss of 920
> > seats. i
> > also learned that the new M-8 bar cars are still in design.
> the
> > M-8 bar
> > cars will account for a loss of a minimum of 72 (depending on
> > whether or not
> > they install 28 seats or less) and 10 to 12 maybe ordered
> > accounting for a
> > total loss based on a 12 bar car order of no less than 864 seats.
> >
> > to put that in perspective, we are asking for space equivalent
> > to 600 seats
> > for a 300 (= 30,000 seat) M-8 car order. with regard to the
> > "CSR" (Critical
> > Systems Replacement rehabbed M-2's), we're seeking Caltrain-
> > style bike cars.
> > out of 132 train cars now committed for the program we're
> > seeking a
> > conversion of 12 train cars to bike cars with a space
> equivalent to
> > approximately 40 seats (leaving 80 seats intact) per bike car.
>
> > that's = to
> > converting 480 seats to bike parking space out of a 15,840
> seat
> > total in CSR
> > M-2 rehab program.
> >
> > Summary:
> > Bar car seat loss = 1784 seats
> > Bike space seat loss = 1080 seats
> >
> > Please review these calculations in advance of Monday's ECC
> > meeting in
> > forming our arguments for bike space on trains.
> >
> > At ECC's meeting Monday Jason Stockmann will confirm the New Haven
> > bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours committee, which will meet with
> C-DOT
> > official, Gene Colonese. Contact Jason at bauhaus2@aol. com
> >
> > This also is a call out to volunteers to sit in the New York
> > City delegation,
> > which will meet with Bob MacLagger, the MNR liason whom Peter
> Cannito> assigned for bikes-on-trains- at-peak-hours follow up
> meetings.
> > Steven Faust
> > serves as the organizer of the NYC delegation. Contact Steve at
> > toeclip@bigfoot. com
> >
> > Richard Stowe
> > Rail*Trains* Ecology*Cycling
> >
>
> Linda Hoza
> Connecticut Forest & Park Association
> Coordinator, Merritt Parkway Trail Alliance
> 203-355-0687
> 203-685-1100 (c)
> 203-504-0442 (f)
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From: "Richard Stowe" <bike.rail.politics@...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:36 am
Subject: Re: bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

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Hi Linda:

Retrofitting old cars into bike cars is totally feasible and we will push for that as part of the solution.

The original Caltrain bike cars were retrofitted cars. The new Caltrain bike cars replicated (see the photo) those retrofitted cars: http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=7198

The exciting thing about retrofitting cars into bike cars is that I've noticed a stronger bike culture emanate out of those cars than the cars, such as the Metrolink cars, where 4 or so bicycles are parked.

The advantage of taking of taking 4 seats every other car (to park 4 or so bicycles vertically) is that dwell times wouldn't be affected at all.

On Caltrain cars dwell times at stops were at times slightly longer, but much of that was due to cyclists climbing up & down steep steps (we fortunately have high-level platforms) and that cyclists had to go through two sets of doors (not one like we do on MNR cars.) Another disadvantage of Caltrain cars is that there was only one door to ingress & egress the train. There were also fewer commuters on Caltrain than Metro-North; so MNR trains have longer dwell times due to unloading and loading commuters.

In a MNR bike train, we can split the bike parking (with seats in between) so that bikes can ingress & egress through both doors quickly.

Attended the ECC meeting this evening. Met Michael Piscatelli - Director of Transportation, Traffic & Parking Development. At the meeting he said that a letter he would draft a letter in support of bike parking on M-8 trains on behalf of Mayor DeStefano, which will be sent to MNR President Peter Cannito and Governor Rell.

Richard Stowe

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From: lhoza@...
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours

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Richard, Thanks for explaining all of that. I guess I just missed the references to retrofitting because I only remember hearing requests related to adding bike facilities to the new cars. It makes so much sense to do both. Linda

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Stowe
Date: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:36 pm
Subject: Re: [ctbike] bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours
To: ctbike@yahoogroups.com

> Hi Linda:
> Retrofitting old cars into bike cars is totally feasible and we
> will push
> for that as part of the solution.
>
> The original Caltrain bike cars were retrofitted cars. The new
> Caltrainbike cars replicated (see the photo) those retrofitted cars:
> http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=7198
>
> The exciting thing about retrofitting cars into bike cars is
> that I've
> noticed a stronger bike culture emanate out of those cars than
> the cars,
> such as the Metrolink cars, where 4 or so bicycles are parked.
>
> The advantage of taking of taking 4 seats every other car (to
> park 4 or so
> bicycles vertically) is that dwell times wouldn't be affected at all.
>
> On Caltrain cars dwell times at stops were at times slightly
> longer, but
> much of that was due to cyclists climbing up & down steep steps (we
> fortunately have high-level platforms) and that cyclists had to
> go through
> two sets of doors (not one like we do on MNR cars.) Another
> disadvantage of
> Caltrain cars is that there was only one door to ingress &
> egress the train.
> There were also fewer commuters on Caltrain than Metro-North;
> so MNR trains
> have longer dwell times due to unloading and loading commuters.
>
> In a MNR bike train, we can split the bike parking (with seats
> in between)
> so that bikes can ingress & egress through both doors quickly.
>
> Attended the ECC meeting this evening. Met Michael Piscatelli -
> Director of
> Transportation, Traffic & Parking Development. At the meeting
> he said that
> a letter he would draft a letter in support of bike parking on M-
> 8 trains on
> behalf of Mayor DeStefano, which will be sent to MNR President
> Peter Cannito
> and Governor Rell.
>
> Richard Stowe
> Rail*Trains*Ecology*Cycling
>

Linda Hoza
Connecticut Forest & Park Association
Coordinator, Merritt Parkway Trail Alliance
203-355-0687
203-685-1100 (c)
203-504-0442 (f)

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From: central connecticut bicycle alliance <ccba@...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:09 pm
Subject: update on bill #299

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