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Here is the latest bikes-on-trains-at-peak hours story:
http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=7198
Contact Jim Cameron, Commuter Council Chair (he's reading this post, too) to
ask him to get on board with us in planning for bike-on-trains-at-peak-hours
now.

"People are spending $350, $400 a month and they're standing," says Commuter
Rail Council president Jim Cameron, who commutes daily from Darien to New
York. "If there's no more room for passengers, how could there be room for
bikes?" Cameron suggests revisting the issue in 2012, when all the M8s are
scheduled to come online.
Keep in mind that some cyclists, who now pay $350 per month are not even
getting on the train (during peak hours.)

Delaying planning for bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours for 4 years is just not
an option. Contact Jim at Jim Cameron
<jim@...><http://mail.lycos.com/lycos/mail/MailComposeFrame.lycos?TO=Jim+Cameron+%3Cjim%40mediatrainer.tv%3E&SENDROOT=viewmail>

Yesterday evening I attended the Central Connecticut Bicycle Alliance annual
dinner. State Rep Tom Kehoe was the keynote speaker. He argued forcefully
for "bicycle bill" S.B. 299 and including "bikes-on-trains at peak hours"
language in a transportation funding bill and broader goals such as smart
growth and locally grown food.

State Rep Kehoe strongly urged the bicycle community to contact 4 key
legislators + Governor Rell to request passage of a transportation bill,
which includes "bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours" language.

Governor M. Jodi Rell <Governor.Rell@...>
State Senator Donald J. DeFronzo <DeFronzo@...> Co-Chair
Transportation Committee
State Rep Antonio Guerrera <Tony.Guerrera@...> Co-Chair
Transportation Committee
James A. Amman <jim.amman@...> Speaker of the House
State Senator Donald E. Williams <Williams@...> President Pro
Tempore
cc: your state rep & state senator

Convey this message to elected officials -
we are seeking the following changes on Metro-North New Haven trains:
(policy change) allowing bicycles on peak hour trains
(policy and design change) including dedicated bicycle parking area on M-8
and CSR train cars
(policy change) discard bicycle permit requirement

Something that State Rep Kehoe did not mention -
Ask the Governor & legislators that the State of Connecticut officially
exercise the option to buy the 80 additional cars immediately.

here's the adjusted net seat gain formula: (80 M-8 cars + 300 M-8 cars +
CSR rehab) - seat loss for bike parking space = 30 percent increase in seats
for New Haven Line

communicate that message separately to Metro-North Railroad (MNR) President,
Peter Cannito at <cannito@...>

read carefully:
today I learned that bar cars account for a loss of 92 (out of 120) seats
per car and there are currently 10 cars. that = a loss of 920 seats. i
also learned that the new M-8 bar cars are still in design. the M-8 bar
cars will account for a loss of a minimum of 72 (depending on whether or not
they install 28 seats or less) and 10 to 12 maybe ordered accounting for a
total loss based on a 12 bar car order of no less than 864 seats.

to put that in perspective, we are asking for space equivalent to 600 seats
for a 300 (= 30,000 seat) M-8 car order. with regard to the "CSR" (Critical
Systems Replacement rehabbed M-2's), we're seeking Caltrain-style bike cars.
out of 132 train cars now committed for the program we're seeking a
conversion of 12 train cars to bike cars with a space equivalent to
approximately 40 seats (leaving 80 seats intact) per bike car. that's = to
converting 480 seats to bike parking space out of a 15,840 seat total in CSR
M-2 rehab program.

Summary:
Bar car seat loss = 1784 seats
Bike space seat loss = 1080 seats

Please review these calculations in advance of Monday's ECC meeting in
forming our arguments for bike space on trains.

At ECC's meeting Monday Jason Stockmann will confirm the New Haven
bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours committee, which will meet with C-DOT
official, Gene Colonese. Contact Jason at bauhaus2@...

This also is a call out to volunteers to sit in the New York City delegation,
which will meet with Bob MacLagger, the MNR liason whom Peter Cannito
assigned for bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours follow up meetings. Steven Faust
serves as the organizer of the NYC delegation. Contact Steve at
toeclip@...

Richard Stowe
Rail*Trains*Ecology*Cycling

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Here is the latest bikes-on-trains-at-peak hours story:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=7198" target="_blank">http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=7198</a><div><br></div><div>Contact Jim Cameron, Commuter Council&nbsp;Chair&nbsp;(<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;">he&#39;s reading this post, too</span>) to ask him to get on board with us in planning for bike-on-trains-at-peak-hours <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;">now</span></span>. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; line-height: 19px; "><p style="font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 18px; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">
&quot;People are spending $350, $400 a month and they&#39;re standing,&quot; says Commuter Rail Council president Jim Cameron, who commutes daily from Darien to New York. &quot;If there&#39;s no more room for passengers, how could there be room for bikes?&quot; Cameron suggests revisting the issue in 2012, when all the M8s are scheduled to come online.</p>
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;">Keep in mind that some cyclists, who now pay $350 per month are not even getting on the train (during peak hours.)</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-style: italic;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;">Delaying planning for bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours for 4 years is just not an option</span></span>. Contact Jim at&nbsp;<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 11px; "><a href="http://mail.lycos.com/lycos/mail/MailComposeFrame.lycos?TO=Jim+Cameron+%3Cjim%40mediatrainer.tv%3E&amp;SENDROOT=viewmail" class="g_12_333333_2" style="text-decoration: none; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Jim Cameron &lt;jim@...&gt;</span></a></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 11px;"><br></span></div>
<div>Yesterday evening I attended the Central Connecticut Bicycle Alliance annual dinner. &nbsp;State Rep Tom Kehoe was the keynote speaker. &nbsp;He argued forcefully for &quot;bicycle bill&quot; S.B. 299 and including &quot;bikes-on-trains at peak hours&quot; language in a transportation funding bill and broader goals such as smart growth and locally grown food. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>State Rep Kehoe strongly urged the bicycle community to contact 4 key legislators + Governor Rell to request passage of a transportation bill, which includes &quot;bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours&quot; language.</div>

<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana;"><br></span></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">Governor M. Jodi Rell &lt;<a href="mailto:Governor.Rell@...">Governor.Rell@...</a>&gt;&nbsp; </span></div>
</div><div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;white-space:pre-wrap">State Senator Donald J. DeFronzo &lt;<a href="mailto:DeFronzo@..." target="_blank">DeFronzo@...</a>&gt; Co-Chair Transportation Committee</span></div>

<div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;white-space:pre-wrap">State Rep Antonio Guerrera &lt;<a href="mailto:Tony.Guerrera@..." target="_blank">Tony.Guerrera@...</a>&gt; Co-Chair Transportation Committee</span></div>

<div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;white-space:pre-wrap">James A. Amman &lt;<a href="mailto:jim.amman@..." target="_blank">jim.amman@...</a>&gt; Speaker of the House</span></div>
<div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;white-space:pre-wrap">State Senator Donald E. Williams &lt;<a href="mailto:Williams@..." target="_blank">Williams@...</a>&gt; President Pro Tempore</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">cc: your state rep &amp; state senator</span></div><div><br></div><div><div>Convey this&nbsp;message to elected officials -</div><div>
<div>we are seeking the following changes on Metro-North New Haven trains:</div><div>(policy change) allowing bicycles on peak hour trains</div><div>(policy and design change)&nbsp;including dedicated bicycle parking area on M-8 and CSR train cars</div>

<div>(policy change) discard bicycle permit requirement</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Something that State Rep Kehoe did not mention -</div><div>Ask the Governor &amp; legislators that the State of Connecticut officially exercise the option to buy the 80 additional cars immediately.</div>
<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>here&#39;s the adjusted net seat gain formula: &nbsp;(80 M-8 cars + 300 M-8 cars + CSR rehab) - seat loss for bike parking space = 30 percent increase in seats for New Haven Line</div>
<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>communicate that message separately to Metro-North Railroad (MNR) President, Peter Cannito at &lt;<a href="mailto:cannito@...">cannito@...</a>&gt;</div><div><br>
</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline;">read carefully:</span></span></div></div><div>today&nbsp;I learned that bar cars account for a loss of 92 (out of 120) seats per car and there are currently 10 cars. &nbsp;that = a loss of 920 seats. &nbsp;i also learned that the new M-8 bar cars are still in design. &nbsp;the M-8 bar cars will account for a loss of a minimum of 72 (depending on whether or not they install 28 seats or less) and 10 to 12 maybe ordered accounting for a total loss based on a 12 bar car order of no less than 864 seats.</div>


<div><br></div><div>to put that in perspective, we are asking for space equivalent to 600 seats for a 300 (= 30,000 seat) M-8 car&nbsp;order. &nbsp;with regard to the &quot;CSR&quot; (Critical Systems Replacement rehabbed M-2&#39;s), we&#39;re seeking Caltrain-style bike cars. &nbsp;out of 132 train cars now committed for the program we&#39;re seeking a conversion of 12 train cars to bike cars with a space equivalent to approximately 40 seats (leaving 80 seats intact) per bike car. &nbsp;that&#39;s = to converting 480 seats to bike parking space out of a&nbsp;15,840 seat&nbsp;total in CSR M-2 rehab program.</div>


<div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">Summary:</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">Bar car seat loss = 1784 seats</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">Bike space seat loss = 1080 seats</span></div><div><br></div><div>Please review these calculations in advance of Monday&#39;s ECC meeting in forming our arguments for bike space on trains.</div>
<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>At ECC&#39;s meeting Monday Jason Stockmann will confirm the New Haven bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours committee, which will meet with C-DOT official, Gene Colonese. <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">&nbsp;Contact Jason at <a href="mailto:bauhaus2@...">bauhaus2@...</a></span></div>
<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>This also is a call out to volunteers to sit in the <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">New York City </span>delegation, which will meet with Bob MacLagger, the MNR liason whom Peter Cannito assigned for bikes-on-trains-at-peak-hours follow up meetings. &nbsp;Steven Faust serves as the organizer of the NYC delegation. &nbsp;<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Contact Steve at <a href="mailto:toeclip@...">toeclip@...</a></span></div>


<div><br></div><div>Richard Stowe</div><div>Rail*Trains*Ecology*Cycling<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div>
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Here is the latest bikes-on-trains-at-peak hours story: http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=7198 Contact Jim Cameron, Commuter Council Chair (he's...
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I would suggest emailing Gov. Rell and ccing the key legislators. The only person with the clout to change the car configuration at this juncture is the...
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Linda - Re: retrfitting old cars as bike cars: my thinking exactly. I conveyed this idea to Peter Cannito and company at the MTA meeting in New York and...
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when's the next ct commuter rail council meeting? i know it's a swrpa. thanx dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of...
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hi dave: according to the crcc (commuter council) schedule, the april meeting is cancelled - http://www.trainweb.org/ct/agenda.htm...
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Linda - Re: retrfitting old cars as bike cars: my thinking exactly. I conveyed this idea to Peter Cannito and company at the MTA meeting in New York and...
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Well -- can anyone explain why we can't retrofit some old cars for bike use? If it's impractical or impossible, we can take it off the table and come up with...
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Hi Linda: Retrofitting old cars into bike cars is totally feasible and we will push for that as part of the solution. The original Caltrain bike cars were...
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Richard, Thanks for explaining all of that. I guess I just missed the references to retrofitting because I only remember hearing requests related to adding...
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