Gents, everyone is talking about getting control of the weapons arm/hand or weapon and not taking in consideration that the knifer will not be standing still. while you will be striking, kicking, throwing , sweeping, he will be stabbing, slashing, kneeing, butting, punching etc, etc.----if he has anything on the ball, he will be using his unarmed skills along with the knife. we must be aware that the common street skel may/does have boxing, martial art/weightlifting exp.--at the 68th pct in brooklyn, i arrested a perp  that had shin guards and a groin protecter/cup on under his baggy pants! when asked, he commented that he knew from exp. that victims would knee his groin and kick his shins! do listmembers think bad guys do not train or know how to fight? gents, a pro boxer [ who is taught to parry, duck, bob punches gets hit all the time---if you are in range of a knife hand , you will get cut, slashed, stabbed and mauled---turning the knife into the guy is unrealistic and controlling the weapons hand without getting hit is also unrealistic. you better have a weapon on you, a better one than he has!---regards, ralph

ok everyone, here is a good test to see if you have steady hands / good hand control. you know over the years, martial arts can be hard on the body, and this is a good way to see if you still have good control over your hand. basically, click the link and participate in this little tool. you simply navigate the blue square through a series of mazes (don't worry it's only 4 mazes) with out touching the sides. see if you can make it past level 3, I couldn't. ***before you start this exercise it is recommended that you turn your sound up high because the explanations are recorded low. You must have flash player installed to participate in this test. Try ti out and let me know which level you made it to: http://www.winterrowd.com/maze.swf

 

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Regarding disarms, I consider them to be icing on the cake when training.
They're fun to train, but the disarm itself, IMO, isn't where the focus should
be when training them.

So, when training disarms, I consider the setup to be the cake. In order to be
in a position to even consider a disarm, I must have already gotten control of
the weapon. So I consider "disarm training" really to be about gaining control
of the weapon. And, of course, as others have mentioned this should (in reality)
be done very aggressively while attacking the man because, while we have to deal
with the weapon, our overall intent *must* be to finish the man. Without the man
to wield it, the weapon is not a threat. But if we ignore the weapon (especially
in the case of a blade) then we'll likely be dead before we can finish the man.

So getting control of the weapon is, IMO, the goal of training disarms. Once
I've got control of the weapon, I have a lot more options. I might have time to
draw my own weapon. I can almost certainly start slamming in some heavy empty
hand attacks like elbows. I might be able to do a "return to sender" and attack
him with his own weapon (while he's still technically "holding" it even though
I've got control). I might be able to disarm through any number of possibilities
(i.e.: impact to weaken the tendons/ligaments that control the grip on the
weapon, joint damage such as hyperextension of the elbow or breaking the wrist
or fingers of the wielding hand, joint lock to use pain to weaken his grip
and/or pain compliance to get him to release the weapon, etc.)

But my first objective must be to deal with the weapon. If I have no guarantees
of finishing the man immediately and no way of escaping the situation without
finishing the man then I *must* get control of the weapon in order to
realistically expect to survive the encounter.

Are my chances good? No. Empty hand vs. a weapon - especially a blade - is a
*BAD* situation from the start. But if I don't have any other options then I'll
do the best I'll go in hard and fast with everything I've got and I'll worry
about the consequences (including my own death) *after* the fight is finished
one way or another.

But just because disarms are "incidental if not accidental" doesn't mean they
shouldn't be trained. Yes, the cake is getting control of the weapon. But if I
never train disarms then they aren't even a tool in my box. I could have the
opportunity to cause a disarm staring me right in the face and not realize it's
there because I've never trained disarms. And not disarming when I have the
chance could give him the opening he needs to get his weapon free and kill me.

Disarms fall into the same category as locking, sweeping, throwing, etc. They're
all tools of opportunity. If the opportunity isn't there then I can't use it.
But if the opportunity is there then I have to have trained the tool to use it.

The *only* thing that can be guaranteed in a fight is that I will have the
opportunity to strike and be struck. *Everything* else is situational - even
actually getting struck or landing a strike - and may not happen in the course
of the fight. But a fight will, by its nature, present opportunites to strike
and be struck. Most fights will also present opportunities to trap, lock, sweep,
throw, etc. But these opportunities aren't 100% guaranteed like the opportunity
to strike/be struck.

Another thing about disarms ... almost all disarms are related to a joint lock
(usually a wrist lock). This means that A) if I can't get the disarm, the lock
is often available as an alternative B) if I train disarms, they can help my
locking and vice versa. Though to say that training locks is the same as
training disarms (or vice versa) is like saying that training with a stick is
the same as training with a blade - the stick is handy training tool to simulate
the blade in most training but in order to really understand the blade you have
to train with a blade at some point. Same with locks/disarms. To really
understand anything, you have to train that thing. But the training of one can
augment the understanding of the other.

Mike

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----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...>
To: csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:47:16 AM
Subject: [csemt-serrada_escrima] Re: disarming is a misnomer


Dave
You are right.  Trying for a disarm is only going to waste time when
it is important to end the confrontation as soon as possible.  The
longer it continues the better chance the person with a weapon will
kill you.  'Redirect and destroy' should be your primary focus.
Disarms are an act of kindness, or like I stated earlier a strike to
the radial bone will also be a disarm, which can be fallowed up with
K.O. or KILL strikes - unwinding until satisfied that you are no
longer in danger.
The best to you!
Train hard and have fun!
Dennis



--- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "David Gluth"
<herbguy@...> wrote:
>
> isaias You are using the assumption that I shall "disarm" you when
in fact
> there are very many valid techniques in which I will use your knife
against
> you while YOU are still holding on to it.....so wrap away...
> It will make it easier for you to pull it out of your leg,  ribs,
stomach
> after I have impaled you with your own weapon
> Your thinking is only looking at one aspects of knife self defense
there are
> many options
>
> Dave
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Daniel Arola
> Date: 03/02/06 05:50:01
> To: csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [csemt-serrada_escrima] Re: disarming is a misnomer
>
> I find that Isaias made one very strong point. If.... someone
you're facing
> with a blade has his blade wrapped in his hand, it seems like this
person
> knows what he's doing. Most of the time a person loses his knife
from
> dropping it accidentally before any form of disarm were to take
place. If
> you were to face someone with a blade wrapped in his hand, you can
consider
> yourself close to dead already. This person is determined to cut
you in any
> and every way.
>
> According to Guro Dan Inosanto... "Disarms are usually accidental or
> incidental"
>
> Daniel Arola
>
> isaias ginson <isaiasginson@...> wrote:
> do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife attack.  because for
one, you
> will never even know where the knife is and how it is going to come
at you.
> i say again if the knife wielder is in for the kill you do not have
a chance
>  second, if i wrapped my knife in my hand, how can you talk about
> dis-arming?  think again.
>
> Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
> Generally, the knife weilder is counting on the knife too much, and
a
> hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm.
> Dennis
>
> --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph" <ggrasso06@>
> wrote:
> >
> > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with
the
> edge
> > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning of
> > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe.
multiple
> > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can
get
> the
> > job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking ,
you
> will
> > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist was
> we as
> > people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving blade
> can
> > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a mere
> > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but
> > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a
knife
> > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND
SIKIRAN
> > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR
BLADE
> WORK-
> > -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming salumat! ralph g.
> >
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----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...>
To: csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:47:16 AM
Subject: [csemt-serrada_escrima] Re: disarming is a misnomer


Dave
You are right.  Trying for a disarm is only going to waste time when
it is important to end the confrontation as soon as possible.  The
longer it continues the better chance the person with a weapon will
kill you.  'Redirect and destroy' should be your primary focus.
Disarms are an act of kindness, or like I stated earlier a strike to
the radial bone will also be a disarm, which can be fallowed up with
K.O. or KILL strikes - unwinding until satisfied that you are no
longer in danger.
The best to you!
Train hard and have fun!
Dennis



--- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "David Gluth"
<herbguy@...> wrote:
>
> isaias You are using the assumption that I shall "disarm" you when
in fact
> there are very many valid techniques in which I will use your knife
against
> you while YOU are still holding on to it.....so wrap away...
> It will make it easier for you to pull it out of your leg,  ribs,
stomach
> after I have impaled you with your own weapon
> Your thinking is only looking at one aspects of knife self defense
there are
> many options
>
> Dave
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Daniel Arola
> Date: 03/02/06 05:50:01
> To: csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [csemt-serrada_escrima] Re: disarming is a misnomer
>
> I find that Isaias made one very strong point. If.... someone
you're facing
> with a blade has his blade wrapped in his hand, it seems like this
person
> knows what he's doing. Most of the time a person loses his knife
from
> dropping it accidentally before any form of disarm were to take
place. If
> you were to face someone with a blade wrapped in his hand, you can
consider
> yourself close to dead already. This person is determined to cut
you in any
> and every way.
>
> According to Guro Dan Inosanto... "Disarms are usually accidental or
> incidental"
>
> Daniel Arola
>
> isaias ginson <isaiasginson@...> wrote:
> do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife attack.  because for
one, you
> will never even know where the knife is and how it is going to come
at you.
> i say again if the knife wielder is in for the kill you do not have
a chance
>  second, if i wrapped my knife in my hand, how can you talk about
> dis-arming?  think again.
>
> Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
> Generally, the knife weilder is counting on the knife too much, and
a
> hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm.
> Dennis
>
> --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph" <ggrasso06@>
> wrote:
> >
> > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with
the
> edge
> > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning of
> > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe.
multiple
> > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can
get
> the
> > job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking ,
you
> will
> > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist was
> we as
> > people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving blade
> can
> > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a mere
> > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but
> > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a
knife
> > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND
SIKIRAN
> > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR
BLADE
> WORK-
> > -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming salumat! ralph g.
> >
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At this point the best disarm is to take your life!
This may alarm some of the more liberal MA
practitioners but the best defense is a good offense
!Take a relatively useless cut to get the deadly one !

--- isaias ginson <isaiasginson@...> wrote:

> Given that you will not disarm me. What techniques
> are talking about, empty hand, that will make you
> believe that you have a chance against a determined
> knife wielder.
>   I am sorry but in this context "hindi nyo alam ang
> pinagsasabi nyo" (you do not know what you are
> talking about).  I ask again, dave, what techniques?
>
> David Gluth <herbguy@...> wrote:
>               isaias You are using the assumption
> that I shall "disarm" you when in fact there are
> very many valid techniques in which I will use your
> knife against you while YOU are still holding on to
> it.....so wrap away...
>   It will make it easier for you to pull it out of
> your leg,  ribs,  stomach after I have impaled you
> with your own weapon
>   Your thinking is only looking at one aspects of
> knife self defense there are many options
>
>   Dave
>
>   -------Original Message-------
>
>     From: Daniel Arola
>   Date: 03/02/06 05:50:01
>   To: csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [csemt-serrada_escrima] Re: disarming
> is a misnomer
>
>
>   I find that Isaias made one very strong point.
> If.... someone you're facing with a blade has his
> blade wrapped in his hand, it seems like this person
> knows what he's doing. Most of the time a person
> loses his knife from dropping it accidentally before
> any form of disarm were to take place. If you were
> to face someone with a blade wrapped in his hand,
> you can consider yourself close to dead already.
> This person is determined to cut you in any and
> every way.
>
>   According to Guro Dan Inosanto... "Disarms are
> usually accidental or incidental"
>
>   Daniel Arola
>
> isaias ginson <isaiasginson@...> wrote:
>   do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife
> attack.  because for one, you will never even know
> where the knife is and how it is going to come at
> you. i say again if the knife wielder is in for the
> kill you do not have a chance. second, if i wrapped
> my knife in my hand, how can you talk about
> dis-arming?  think again.
>
> Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
> Generally, the knife weilder is counting on the
> knife too much, and a
> hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a
> disarm.
> Dennis
>
> --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com,
> "ralph" <ggrasso06@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor
> tendon with the
> edge
> > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce
> the beginning of
> > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade
> weilding foe. multiple
> > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real
> dirty stuff can get
> the
> > job done as the previous person said, but
> generally speaking , you
> will
> > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my
> whole gist was
> we as
> > people who practice fma and know fully well what
> the moving blade
> can
> > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the
> park or a mere
> > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut
> or stabbed but
> > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we
> all know a knife
> > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS!
> SIPAT AND SIKIRAN
> > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION
> WITH YOUR BLADE
> WORK-
> > -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming
> salumat! ralph g.
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Boy aren't we pulling some good info from this thread
!  OK I agree that the smaller knife is one of
stealth, but in this day and age  cannot the sword
techniques be duplicated by a larger knife. Say 12-15
inches thus giving you the advantages of the sword art
yet more concealability !  Is that a word ?

--- Adam Sroka <adam.s@...> wrote:

> The other thing to remember is that even the older
> FMA instructors who
> actually fought in WWII consider the knife a weapon
> of last resort. The
> primary weapon was always the sword or a firearm. A
> knife or dagger was
> at best a secondary weapon to be used along side the
> primary (e.g. a
> bayonet or espada y daga.) Plus, even the
> traditional daga is a foot
> long blade, and many bolos are even longer than
> that. Even tactical
> military knives tend to be fairly large and though
> they may be a stealth
> weapon they are not generally intended to be
> concealed.
>
> Kali is a sword art, not a knife art. If you are
> fighting with swords,
> in a warfare situation, concepts like concealment
> and unarmed defense
> begin to fall away. That is not to say that small
> concealed weapons are
> outside of the experience of FMA. However, they are
> considered the
> weapons of thieves and assassins. Defending against
> them is more a
> matter of situational awareness and "Street smarts"
> than technique. The
> majority of the FMA technical repertoire is based on
> larger bladed
> weapons used openly in warfare.
>
>
> isaias ginson wrote:
> > Many of the knife counters are only good in
> exhibitions or shows to
> > promote the flowery aspects of the art. Many in
> the philippines know
> > about it.  It is added to make a good show to the
> neophytes. The truth
> > is, a person wielding the knife and is ready to
> kill you will never
> > hesitate to sacrifice limb, eyes, legs, neck etc.,
>  He knows he can
> > make full use of his limbs also and is willing to
> trade for it.  But
> > if you are fighting bare hands, i assure you, you
> will have only two
> > places to go....ICU  or the cemetery.
> > The best way is to look for a knife also if you
> can or run as fast as
> > you can and fight another day. Do not try to be
> hero, heroes die. We
> > know their stories.
> >
> > */Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...>/*
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     Fighting bare handed should always be a last
> resort, but if you want
> >     to condition yourselves to believe that a
> knife is going to overwhelm
> >     you it will.  You will simply be a victim,
> instead of smashing your
> >     attacker.  A martial art that does not train
> with weapons is not a
> >     combative martial art.  However, anyone can
> buy a degree and some
> >     weapons to display in their school and claim
> to be an authority in
> >     such things, but the truth is that if an
> instructor says to you that
> >     you cannot counter a blade empty -handed he
> isn't worth your time or
> >     money, because he is speaking from his
> empirical reality.  Self
> >     Defense is not a sport, yet most people gauge
> combat efficiency by
> >     what they have seen in UFC or some Tournament
> or street fight against
> >     retards.  Knife Fighting to them means
> attacking with a knife, not
> >     effective countering.  Effective countering a
> knife bare handed is
> >     outside their paradigm.  It's this simple; if
> you think something is
> >     impossible for you -you are probably right,
> and if you consider
> >     something possible for you-  you might be
> right.  If you think you
> >     can do something then do it 1,000 times.
> >     Train hard and have fun!
> >     Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >     --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com,
> isaias ginson
> >     <isaiasginson@...> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife
> attack.  because for
> >     one, you will never even know where the knife
> is and how it is going
> >     to come at you. i say again if the knife
> wielder is in for the kill
> >     you do not have a chance. second, if i wrapped
> my knife in my hand,
> >     how can you talk about dis-arming?  think
> again.
> >     >
> >     > Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
> Generally, the knife
> >     weilder is counting on the knife too much, and
> a
> >     > hammerfist strike to his radial bone can
> cause a disarm.
> >     > Dennis
> >     >
> >     > --- In
> csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph"
> <ggrasso06@>
> >     > wrote:
> >     > >
> >     > > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons
> arm/wrist/flexor tendon with
> >     the
> >     > edge
> >     > > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often
> produce the beginning of
> >     > > winning an unarmed encounter against a
> blade weilding foe.
> >     multiple
> >     > > hits , movement, manhandling combined with
> real dirty stuff can
> >     get
> >     > the
> >     > > job done as the previous person said, but
> generally speaking ,
> >     you
> >     > will
> >     > > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps
> stabs] --my whole gist was
> >     > we as
> >     > > people who practice fma and know fully
> well what the moving blade
> >     > can
> >     > > do should never talk of disarming as a
> walk in the park or a mere
> >     > > annoyance! be aware that you can not only
> be cut or stabbed but
> >     > > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite
> etc----as we all know a
> >     knife
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David didn't say he would disarm you. He said he would use your blade against
you while you were still holding it.

Training disarms is, IMO, really about training to get control of the weapon. If
I get control of the weapon then the person can keep it in their hand if they
want - whether it's wrapped into their hand or not.

Going empty hand against a blade is certainly a last resort situation. If I can
avoid the confrontation completely, I will. If not, I'll try to get a weapon. If
I can't, then, according to what I get from your (Isaias) posts, I should just
give up and let the guy kill me?

No. If I have no other choice then I will fight empty hand against a blade. And
because I have spent time training that, I will have an advantage over a lot of
other people might in the same situation. I will attack hard and fast and use
every method I know to gain control of the weapon. I will use strikes, locks,
sweeps, throws, etc. If a disarm is available I will take it and continue until
I've nullified the threat (because the blade isn't his only weapon). If a disarm
isn't available (for whatever reason) then I will get control of the weapon and
use it on the person. Once the threat has been nullified, I will go home
(hopefully with a minimum of legal fuss to deal with but at this point in the
scenario there's nothing I can do to avoid the legal hassles).

You (Isaias) seem to equate "getting control of the weapon" with "disarming the
weapon". This is not necessarily the same thing.

As I said, though, IMO, training disarms isn't really about the disarms. The
disarm is the icing on the cake. In order to get the disarm, though, I have to
first gain control of the weapon. Once I've done that, the disarm is a bonus. If
I've got control of the weapon then I can use it against the person - regardless
of the fact that it's still technically held (wrapped/taped) in the person's
hand.

Mike

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Given that you will not disarm me. What techniques are talking about, empty
hand, that will make you believe that you have a chance against a determined
knife wielder.
   I am sorry but in this context "hindi nyo alam ang pinagsasabi nyo" (you do
not know what you are talking about).  I ask again, dave, what techniques?

David Gluth <herbguy@...> wrote:
               isaias You are using the assumption that I shall "disarm" you when
in fact there are very many valid techniques in which I will use your knife
against you while YOU are still holding on to it.....so wrap away...
   It will make it easier for you to pull it out of your leg,  ribs,  stomach
after I have impaled you with your own weapon
   Your thinking is only looking at one aspects of knife self defense there are
many options

   Dave

>The best way is to look for a knife also if you can or run as fast as you
can and fight another day. Do >not try to be hero, heroes die

Some of us may be too slow, too old or have injuries that make running a
poor option.  What if we are with our loved ones?  Do we run and leave them
behind?  Most knife attacks are either done by surprise or are used to
intimidate someone.  There may not be time or opportunity to go for your own
knife.  The mind is the best weapon - seizing the opportunity to counter
fast and hard can take advantage of an attacker's overconfidence.  Sure, if
you see it coming, then get your own weapon, whether carried or improvised.
If a criminal is looking for an easy target, that might be enough to send
him elsewhere.

As for disarming, I like the "softening" theory.  Hurt or distract your
opponent first and the odds of eliminating the weapon improve.

Jeff "Stickman" Finder

isaias You are using the assumption that I shall "disarm" you when in fact there are very many valid techniques in which I will use your knife against you while YOU are still holding on to it.....so wrap away... It will make it easier for you to pull it out of your leg,  ribs,  stomach after I have impaled you with your own weapon Your thinking is only looking at one aspects of knife self defense there are many options   Dave    -------Original Message-------   From: Daniel Arola Date: 03/02/06 05:50:01 To: csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [csemt-serrada_escrima] Re: disarming is a misnomer   I find that Isaias made one very strong point. If.... someone you're facing with a blade has his blade wrapped in his hand, it seems like this person knows what he's doing. Most of the time a person loses his knife from dropping it accidentally before any form of disarm were to take place. If you were to face someone with a blade wrapped in his hand, you can consider yourself close to dead already. This person is determined to cut you in any and every way.   According to Guro Dan Inosanto... "Disarms are usually accidental or incidental"   Daniel Arola isaias ginson <isaiasginson@...> wrote: do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife attack.  because for one, you will never even know where the knife is and how it is going to come at you. i say again if the knife wielder is in for the kill you do not have a chance. second, if i wrapped my knife in my hand, how can you talk about dis-arming?  think again. Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote: Generally, the knife weilder is counting on the knife too much, and a hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm. Dennis --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph" <ggrasso06@...> wrote: > > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with the edge > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning of > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe. multiple > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can get the > job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking , you will > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist was we as > people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving blade can > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a mere > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a knife > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND SIKIRAN > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR BLADE WORK- > -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming salumat! ralph g. > Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

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That's why I don't concern myself with anything that I don't believe
will work for me in various situations.  Simple proven concepts and
principles from techniques learned correctly so that muscle memory
will be there when I need it.   If you have to think about what to do
in a knife fight,you will be in ICU or dead.  If you think fighting
back is futile - you'll be in ICU or Dead. If you can run away do
that, otherwise use a more efficient weapon.  Empty hand fighting
should be a last resort, not a sport.
Train hard and have fun!
Dennis



--- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, isaias ginson
<isaiasginson@...> wrote:
>
> Many of the knife counters are only good in exhibitions or shows to
promote the flowery aspects of the art. Many in the philippines know
about it.  It is added to make a good show to the neophytes. The
truth is, a person wielding the knife and is ready to kill you will
never hesitate to sacrifice limb, eyes, legs, neck etc.,  He knows he
can make full use of his limbs also and is willing to trade for it. 
But if you are fighting bare hands, i assure you, you will have only
two places to go....ICU  or the cemetery.
>   The best way is to look for a knife also if you can or run as
fast as you can and fight another day. Do not try to be hero, heroes
die. We know their stories.
>
> Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
>  
> Fighting bare handed should always be a last resort, but if you
want
> to condition yourselves to believe that a knife is going to
overwhelm
> you it will.  You will simply be a victim, instead of smashing your
> attacker.  A martial art that does not train with weapons is not a
> combative martial art.  However, anyone can buy a degree and some
> weapons to display in their school and claim to be an authority in
> such things, but the truth is that if an instructor says to you
that
> you cannot counter a blade empty -handed he isn't worth your time
or
> money, because he is speaking from his empirical reality.  Self
> Defense is not a sport, yet most people gauge combat efficiency by
> what they have seen in UFC or some Tournament or street fight
against
> retards.  Knife Fighting to them means attacking with a knife, not
> effective countering.  Effective countering a knife bare handed is
> outside their paradigm.  It's this simple; if you think something
is
> impossible for you -you are probably right, and if you consider
> something possible for you-  you might be right.  If you think you
> can do something then do it 1,000 times.
> Train hard and have fun!
> Dennis
>
>
>
> --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, isaias ginson
> <isaiasginson@> wrote:
> >
> > do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife attack.  because for
> one, you will never even know where the knife is and how it is
going
> to come at you. i say again if the knife wielder is in for the kill
> you do not have a chance. second, if i wrapped my knife in my hand,
> how can you talk about dis-arming?  think again.
> >
> > Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@> wrote:  Generally, the knife
> weilder is counting on the knife too much, and a
> > hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm.
> > Dennis
> >
> > --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph"
<ggrasso06@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with
> the
> > edge
> > > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning
of
> > > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe.
> multiple
> > > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can
> get
> > the
> > > job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking ,
> you
> > will
> > > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist
was
> > we as
> > > people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving
blade
> > can
> > > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a
mere
> > > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but
> > > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a
> knife
> > > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND
> SIKIRAN
> > > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR
> BLADE
> > WORK-
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The other thing to remember is that even the older FMA instructors who
actually fought in WWII consider the knife a weapon of last resort. The
primary weapon was always the sword or a firearm. A knife or dagger was
at best a secondary weapon to be used along side the primary (e.g. a
bayonet or espada y daga.) Plus, even the traditional daga is a foot
long blade, and many bolos are even longer than that. Even tactical
military knives tend to be fairly large and though they may be a stealth
weapon they are not generally intended to be concealed.

Kali is a sword art, not a knife art. If you are fighting with swords,
in a warfare situation, concepts like concealment and unarmed defense
begin to fall away. That is not to say that small concealed weapons are
outside of the experience of FMA. However, they are considered the
weapons of thieves and assassins. Defending against them is more a
matter of situational awareness and "Street smarts" than technique. The
majority of the FMA technical repertoire is based on larger bladed
weapons used openly in warfare.


isaias ginson wrote:
> Many of the knife counters are only good in exhibitions or shows to
> promote the flowery aspects of the art. Many in the philippines know
> about it.  It is added to make a good show to the neophytes. The truth
> is, a person wielding the knife and is ready to kill you will never
> hesitate to sacrifice limb, eyes, legs, neck etc.,  He knows he can
> make full use of his limbs also and is willing to trade for it.  But
> if you are fighting bare hands, i assure you, you will have only two
> places to go....ICU  or the cemetery.
> The best way is to look for a knife also if you can or run as fast as
> you can and fight another day. Do not try to be hero, heroes die. We
> know their stories.
>
> */Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...>/* wrote:
>
>
>     Fighting bare handed should always be a last resort, but if you want
>     to condition yourselves to believe that a knife is going to overwhelm
>     you it will.  You will simply be a victim, instead of smashing your
>     attacker.  A martial art that does not train with weapons is not a
>     combative martial art.  However, anyone can buy a degree and some
>     weapons to display in their school and claim to be an authority in
>     such things, but the truth is that if an instructor says to you that
>     you cannot counter a blade empty -handed he isn't worth your time or
>     money, because he is speaking from his empirical reality.  Self
>     Defense is not a sport, yet most people gauge combat efficiency by
>     what they have seen in UFC or some Tournament or street fight against
>     retards.  Knife Fighting to them means attacking with a knife, not
>     effective countering.  Effective countering a knife bare handed is
>     outside their paradigm.  It's this simple; if you think something is
>     impossible for you -you are probably right, and if you consider
>     something possible for you-  you might be right.  If you think you
>     can do something then do it 1,000 times.
>     Train hard and have fun!
>     Dennis
>
>
>
>     --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, isaias ginson
>     <isaiasginson@...> wrote:
>     >
>     > do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife attack.  because for
>     one, you will never even know where the knife is and how it is going
>     to come at you. i say again if the knife wielder is in for the kill
>     you do not have a chance. second, if i wrapped my knife in my hand,
>     how can you talk about dis-arming?  think again.
>     >
>     > Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:  Generally, the knife
>     weilder is counting on the knife too much, and a
>     > hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm.
>     > Dennis
>     >
>     > --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph" <ggrasso06@>
>     > wrote:
>     > >
>     > > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with
>     the
>     > edge
>     > > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning of
>     > > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe.
>     multiple
>     > > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can
>     get
>     > the
>     > > job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking ,
>     you
>     > will
>     > > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist was
>     > we as
>     > > people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving blade
>     > can
>     > > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a mere
>     > > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but
>     > > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a
>     knife
>     > > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND
>     SIKIRAN
>     > > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR
>     BLADE
>     > WORK-
>     > > -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming salumat! ralph g.
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Dave
You are right.  Trying for a disarm is only going to waste time when
it is important to end the confrontation as soon as possible.  The
longer it continues the better chance the person with a weapon will
kill you.  'Redirect and destroy' should be your primary focus.
Disarms are an act of kindness, or like I stated earlier a strike to
the radial bone will also be a disarm, which can be fallowed up with
K.O. or KILL strikes - unwinding until satisfied that you are no
longer in danger.
The best to you!
Train hard and have fun!
Dennis



--- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "David Gluth"
<herbguy@...> wrote:
>
> isaias You are using the assumption that I shall "disarm" you when
in fact
> there are very many valid techniques in which I will use your knife
against
> you while YOU are still holding on to it.....so wrap away...
> It will make it easier for you to pull it out of your leg,  ribs,
stomach
> after I have impaled you with your own weapon
> Your thinking is only looking at one aspects of knife self defense
there are
> many options
>
> Dave
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Daniel Arola
> Date: 03/02/06 05:50:01
> To: csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [csemt-serrada_escrima] Re: disarming is a misnomer
>
> I find that Isaias made one very strong point. If.... someone
you're facing
> with a blade has his blade wrapped in his hand, it seems like this
person
> knows what he's doing. Most of the time a person loses his knife
from
> dropping it accidentally before any form of disarm were to take
place. If
> you were to face someone with a blade wrapped in his hand, you can
consider
> yourself close to dead already. This person is determined to cut
you in any
> and every way.
>
> According to Guro Dan Inosanto... "Disarms are usually accidental or
> incidental"
>
> Daniel Arola
>
> isaias ginson <isaiasginson@...> wrote:
> do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife attack.  because for
one, you
> will never even know where the knife is and how it is going to come
at you.
> i say again if the knife wielder is in for the kill you do not have
a chance
>  second, if i wrapped my knife in my hand, how can you talk about
> dis-arming?  think again.
>
> Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
> Generally, the knife weilder is counting on the knife too much, and
a
> hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm.
> Dennis
>
> --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph" <ggrasso06@>
> wrote:
> >
> > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with
the
> edge
> > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning of
> > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe.
multiple
> > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can
get
> the
> > job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking ,
you
> will
> > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist was
> we as
> > people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving blade
> can
> > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a mere
> > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but
> > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a
knife
> > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND
SIKIRAN
> > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR
BLADE
> WORK-
> > -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming salumat! ralph g.
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That's why I don't concern myself with anything that I don't believe
will work for me in various situations.  Simple proven concepts and
principles from techniques learned correctly so that muscle memory
will be there when I need it.   If you have to think about what to do
in a knife fight,you will be in ICU or dead.  If you think fighting
back is futile - you'll be in ICU or Dead. If you can run away do
that, otherwise use a more efficient weapon.  Empty hand fighting
should be a last resort, not a sport.
Train hard and have fun!
Dennis



--- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, isaias ginson
<isaiasginson@...> wrote:
>
> Many of the knife counters are only good in exhibitions or shows to
promote the flowery aspects of the art. Many in the philippines know
about it.  It is added to make a good show to the neophytes. The
truth is, a person wielding the knife and is ready to kill you will
never hesitate to sacrifice limb, eyes, legs, neck etc.,  He knows he
can make full use of his limbs also and is willing to trade for it.
But if you are fighting bare hands, i assure you, you will have only
two places to go....ICU  or the cemetery.
>   The best way is to look for a knife also if you can or run as
fast as you can and fight another day. Do not try to be hero, heroes
die. We know their stories.
>
> Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
>
> Fighting bare handed should always be a last resort, but if you
want
> to condition yourselves to believe that a knife is going to
overwhelm
> you it will.  You will simply be a victim, instead of smashing your
> attacker.  A martial art that does not train with weapons is not a
> combative martial art.  However, anyone can buy a degree and some
> weapons to display in their school and claim to be an authority in
> such things, but the truth is that if an instructor says to you
that
> you cannot counter a blade empty -handed he isn't worth your time
or
> money, because he is speaking from his empirical reality.  Self
> Defense is not a sport, yet most people gauge combat efficiency by
> what they have seen in UFC or some Tournament or street fight
against
> retards.  Knife Fighting to them means attacking with a knife, not
> effective countering.  Effective countering a knife bare handed is
> outside their paradigm.  It's this simple; if you think something
is
> impossible for you -you are probably right, and if you consider
> something possible for you-  you might be right.  If you think you
> can do something then do it 1,000 times.
> Train hard and have fun!
> Dennis
>
>
>
> --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, isaias ginson
> <isaiasginson@> wrote:
> >
> > do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife attack.  because for
> one, you will never even know where the knife is and how it is
going
> to come at you. i say again if the knife wielder is in for the kill
> you do not have a chance. second, if i wrapped my knife in my hand,
> how can you talk about dis-arming?  think again.
> >
> > Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@> wrote:  Generally, the knife
> weilder is counting on the knife too much, and a
> > hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm.
> > Dennis
> >
> > --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph"
<ggrasso06@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with
> the
> > edge
> > > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning
of
> > > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe.
> multiple
> > > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can
> get
> > the
> > > job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking ,
> you
> > will
> > > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist
was
> > we as
> > > people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving
blade
> > can
> > > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a
mere
> > > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but
> > > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a
> knife
> > > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND
> SIKIRAN
> > > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR
> BLADE
> > WORK-
> > > -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming salumat! ralph
g.
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VERY NICELY PUT ! Maybe some Kuntao/Silat guys should
get some training from you ! From my previous post :

Yes  It has been a good thread !  Just something from
my martial arts training and some of my military & Law
enforcement training. Knife fights & training drills,
both men with a knife are good for the training
aspect. Unfortunately most knife encounters end up
being surprise attacks, where the knife is "usually"
hidden until just before insertion. So as you've
stated there are a lot of mis-conceptions about
fighting with the blade. Improvised shields and
weapons should be thought of in training, to buy you
time to get your own blade or maybe a pistol out to
eliminate the threat.

--- Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:

>
> Fighting bare handed should always be a last resort,
> but if you want
> to condition yourselves to believe that a knife is
> going to overwhelm
> you it will.  You will simply be a victim, instead
> of smashing your
> attacker.  A martial art that does not train with
> weapons is not a
> combative martial art.  However, anyone can buy a
> degree and some
> weapons to display in their school and claim to be
> an authority in
> such things, but the truth is that if an instructor
> says to you that
> you cannot counter a blade empty -handed he isn't
> worth your time or
> money, because he is speaking from his empirical
> reality.  Self
> Defense is not a sport, yet most people gauge combat
> efficiency by
> what they have seen in UFC or some Tournament or
> street fight against
> retards.  Knife Fighting to them means attacking
> with a knife, not
> effective countering.  Effective countering a knife
> bare handed is
> outside their paradigm.  It's this simple; if you
> think something is
> impossible for you -you are probably right, and if
> you consider
> something possible for you-  you might be right.  If
> you think you
> can do something then do it 1,000 times.
> Train hard and have fun!
> Dennis
>
>
>
> --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, isaias
> ginson
> <isaiasginson@...> wrote:
> >
> > do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife
> attack.  because for
> one, you will never even know where the knife is and
> how it is going
> to come at you. i say again if the knife wielder is
> in for the kill
> you do not have a chance. second, if i wrapped my
> knife in my hand,
> how can you talk about dis-arming?  think again.
> >
> > Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
> Generally, the knife
> weilder is counting on the knife too much, and a
> > hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a
> disarm.
> > Dennis
> >
> > --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com,
> "ralph" <ggrasso06@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons
> arm/wrist/flexor tendon with
> the
> > edge
> > > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce
> the beginning of
> > > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade
> weilding foe.
> multiple
> > > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real
> dirty stuff can
> get
> > the
> > > job done as the previous person said, but
> generally speaking ,
> you
> > will
> > > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs]
> --my whole gist was
> > we as
> > > people who practice fma and know fully well what
> the moving blade
> > can
> > > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in
> the park or a mere
> > > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut
> or stabbed but
> > > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as
> we all know a
> knife
> > > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR
> HANDS! SIPAT AND
> SIKIRAN
> > > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN
> COMBINATION WITH YOUR
> BLADE
> > WORK-
> > > -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming
> salumat! ralph g.
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Fighting bare handed should always be a last resort, but if you want
to condition yourselves to believe that a knife is going to overwhelm
you it will.  You will simply be a victim, instead of smashing your
attacker.  A martial art that does not train with weapons is not a
combative martial art.  However, anyone can buy a degree and some
weapons to display in their school and claim to be an authority in
such things, but the truth is that if an instructor says to you that
you cannot counter a blade empty -handed he isn't worth your time or
money, because he is speaking from his empirical reality.  Self
Defense is not a sport, yet most people gauge combat efficiency by
what they have seen in UFC or some Tournament or street fight against
retards.  Knife Fighting to them means attacking with a knife, not
effective countering.  Effective countering a knife bare handed is
outside their paradigm.  It's this simple; if you think something is
impossible for you -you are probably right, and if you consider
something possible for you-  you might be right.  If you think you
can do something then do it 1,000 times.
Train hard and have fun!
Dennis



--- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, isaias ginson
<isaiasginson@...> wrote:
>
> do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife attack.  because for
one, you will never even know where the knife is and how it is going
to come at you. i say again if the knife wielder is in for the kill
you do not have a chance. second, if i wrapped my knife in my hand,
how can you talk about dis-arming?  think again.
>
> Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:  Generally, the knife
weilder is counting on the knife too much, and a
> hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm.
> Dennis
>
> --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph" <ggrasso06@>
> wrote:
> >
> > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with
the
> edge
> > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning of
> > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe.
multiple
> > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can
get
> the
> > job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking ,
you
> will
> > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist was
> we as
> > people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving blade
> can
> > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a mere
> > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but
> > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a
knife
> > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND
SIKIRAN
> > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR
BLADE
> WORK-
> > -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming salumat! ralph g.
> >
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Fighting bare handed should always be a last resort, but if you want
to condition yourselves to believe that a knife is going to overwhelm
you it will.  You will simply be a victim, instead of smashing your
attacker.  A martial art that does not train with weapons is not a
combative martial art.  However, anyone can buy a degree and some
weapons to display in their school and claim to be an authority in
such things, but the truth is that if an instructor says to you that
you cannot counter a blade empty -handed he isn't worth your time or
money, because he is speaking from his empirical reality.  Self
Defense is not a sport, yet most people gauge combat efficiency by
what they have seen in UFC or some Tournament or street fight against
retards.  Knife Fighting to them means attacking with a knife, not
effective countering.  Effective countering a knife bare handed is
outside their paradigm.  It's this simple; if you think something is
impossible for you -you are probably right, and if you consider
something possible for you-  you might be right.  If you think you
can do something then do it 1,000 times.
Train hard and have fun!
Dennis



--- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, isaias ginson
<isaiasginson@...> wrote:
>
> do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife attack.  because for
one, you will never even know where the knife is and how it is going
to come at you. i say again if the knife wielder is in for the kill
you do not have a chance. second, if i wrapped my knife in my hand,
how can you talk about dis-arming?  think again.
>
> Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:  Generally, the knife
weilder is counting on the knife too much, and a
> hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm.
> Dennis
>
> --- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph" <ggrasso06@>
> wrote:
> >
> > gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with
the
> edge
> > of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning of
> > winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe.
multiple
> > hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can
get
> the
> > job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking ,
you
> will
> > pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist was
> we as
> > people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving blade
> can
> > do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a mere
> > annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but
> > punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a
knife
> > fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND
SIKIRAN
> > KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR
BLADE
> WORK-
> > -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming salumat! ralph g.
> >
>
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do not be fooled that you can disarm a knife attack.  because for one, you will never even know where the knife is and how it is going to come at you. i say again if the knife wielder is in for the kill you do not have a chance. second, if i wrapped my knife in my hand, how can you talk about dis-arming?  think again.

Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:

Generally, the knife weilder is counting on the knife too much, and a
hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm.
Dennis

--- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph" <ggrasso06@...>
wrote:
>
> gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with the
edge
> of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning of
> winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe. multiple
> hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can get
the
> job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking , you
will
> pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist was
we as
> people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving blade
can
> do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a mere
> annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but
> punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a knife
> fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND SIKIRAN
> KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR BLADE
WORK-
> -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming salumat! ralph g.
>

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Generally, the knife weilder is counting on the knife too much, and a
hammerfist strike to his radial bone can cause a disarm.
Dennis

--- In csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, "ralph" <ggrasso06@...>
wrote:
>
> gents, a sharp hit to the weapons arm/wrist/flexor tendon with the
edge
> of hand, forearm or hammerfist can often produce the beginning of
> winning an unarmed encounter against a blade weilding foe. multiple
> hits , movement, manhandling combined with real dirty stuff can get
the
> job done as the previous person said, but generally speaking , you
will
> pay the price [ cuts, slashes, perhaps stabs] --my whole gist was
we as
> people who practice fma and know fully well what the moving blade
can
> do should never talk of disarming as a walk in the park or a mere
> annoyance! be aware that you can not only be cut or stabbed but
> punched, kneed, gouged, kicked, bite etc----as we all know a knife
> fight is just a fight WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HANDS! SIPAT AND SIKIRAN
> KICKS SHOULD BE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR BLADE
WORK-
> -thanks for letting me blow some wind-- maraming salumat! ralph g.
>