Howdy

    For those interest ...Guru Goodwin is now certified to teach the
Silat Kuntau  tekpi....a malays silat system...

   We want to start a intensive course here in Ottawa Canada
   For those interest U could e mail me ...I will forward the message
to Guru goodwin.. if u have questions to ask directly to him...

   The system have a short curriculum ...1 form and 42 buahs...a lot of
emphazize are in joint locking and throwing

  Thank U

  Steeve

Randall

   BBQ and Beer thats sound good.. Pool mmmm I dont swim a lot... my
style is dogswim ....Let me talk to Chantal ...
   and I dont work in monday ....Always have the bad habit and the
Hang over I could not train for that:)))

   I e mail U for the direction ...always at Laval...

    Steeve








--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "guru.goodwin" <kuntaosilat@...>
wrote:
>
> Just to let you guys know that there were two recent training events
> by some of us. The first was a visit by Omar Hakim to the Gelinas
> academy where I teach, his demonstration and instruction of Seni
Silat
> Tekpi was very informative. If any of you are in the Austin area you
> should look him up.
>
> Dominique, Christian, Eric and I spent the past weekend in the
Boston
> area doing Qin Na training with Sifu Yang Jwing Ming. He is also
very
> good.
>
> This Sunday we have a BBQ pool party. This happens every year.
> It starts at 2:00 and the BBQ starts at 4-5. Everyone is invited,
> contact me by email if you need directions. By the way, its a BYOB
and
> Pot luck. I'll try to post a few pictures soon.
>
> Gurug
>

Just to let you guys know that there were two recent training events
by some of us. The first was a visit by Omar Hakim to the Gelinas
academy where I teach, his demonstration and instruction of Seni Silat
Tekpi was very informative. If any of you are in the Austin area you
should look him up.

Dominique, Christian, Eric and I spent the past weekend in the Boston
area doing Qin Na training with Sifu Yang Jwing Ming. He is also very
good.

This Sunday we have a BBQ pool party. This happens every year.
It starts at 2:00 and the BBQ starts at 4-5. Everyone is invited,
contact me by email if you need directions. By the way, its a BYOB and
Pot luck. I'll try to post a few pictures soon.

Gurug

Howdy brother

   Here the post to show ur arts...whatever the style ....just send a
email to us ( the boss:) and we put it in the files...time to share

    the Boss
    Thank

Welcome Raulman

   Could U introduce urself ....

   Thank

Guru Randall

  The Kendang silat

   the jurus satu is very near of the serak...jurus dua more tjimande
influenced...langhas monjet monkey influenced...jurus tiga and
langhas tiga (triangle )satu in the tiga (langhas)

im right or ?

  Steeve




--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "guru.goodwin" <kuntaosilat@...>
wrote:
>
> Uncle is moving to just his Kun Tao leaving some of his silat
behind.
> But previously this is about the minimum form set.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> The system of Kendang Silat
> djuru satu
> djuru dua
> djuru tiga
> langka monjet
> Langka tiga
>
> Honan and Que Moi Kun Tao
>
> Tai Kek (Keh) (Tai Chi)
> I Shing Po (Hsing I)
> Positive Negative form (Pa Kua)
>
> Ling Sing toy (dragon Tail form)
> Tong Lung (basic mantis)
> Pai Yun (Tiger)
> Pai Hung (Tiger Crane)
>
> Hung Ga
>
> Formless Pa Kua Zen Principles
>
> ------------------------------
>
> There are a lot of other forms but this is about the minimum.
>
> My favorites aren't on that list
>
> From the Pa Kwa Zen
> The Green Dragon, takes about 2 minutes to perform at a fast speed.
> Very relaxed but effective.
> The White Cloud, another long form.
>
> Uncle's five elements
> (five separate forms,
> a little longer than the traditional hsing ie sets)
>
> Kun Tao Oelar
> The Snake form -- very nice.
>
> Pai Hsing ( a Hsing ie- Pa Kua form)
>
> Petjut Kilat Silat
> (11 forms)
>
> Bondo Waso Silat(one form)
>
> ----------------
>
> The group member Dominique (dombell) knows a few of these already.
>

Uncle is moving to just his Kun Tao leaving some of his silat behind.
But previously this is about the minimum form set.

------------------------------

The system of Kendang Silat
djuru satu
djuru dua
djuru tiga
langka monjet
Langka tiga

Honan and Que Moi Kun Tao

Tai Kek (Keh) (Tai Chi)
I Shing Po (Hsing I)
Positive Negative form (Pa Kua)

Ling Sing toy (dragon Tail form)
Tong Lung (basic mantis)
Pai Yun (Tiger)
Pai Hung (Tiger Crane)

Hung Ga

Formless Pa Kua Zen Principles

------------------------------

There are a lot of other forms but this is about the minimum.

My favorites aren't on that list

From the Pa Kwa Zen
The Green Dragon, takes about 2 minutes to perform at a fast speed.
Very relaxed but effective.
The White Cloud, another long form.

Uncle's five elements
(five separate forms,
a little longer than the traditional hsing ie sets)

Kun Tao Oelar
The Snake form -- very nice.

Pai Hsing ( a Hsing ie- Pa Kua form)

Petjut Kilat Silat
(11 forms)

Bondo Waso Silat(one form)

----------------

The group member Dominique (dombell) knows a few of these already.

Could U give the date and more info Buddy

   Laoshi De Xiu is a great martial artist...


   Steeve

--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, Buddy Tripp <buddyltripp@...> wrote:
>
> In that I know baguzhang is a part of Uncle's arts, here's a heads
up to say my teacher, Luo Dexiu, will be in Boston at the end of July
teaching Gao style baguazhang and Chen Panling's taijiquan.
> Buddy
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low  PC-to-Phone
call rates.
>

Todd

  First Kuntao Silat is not a set system...Yes they have some sets or
forms...Jurus Satu ,Jurus dua and the pai Yune forms are the principles
Maybe Randall could give a better explainaition....

    But Kuntao silat is a two men drills and applications system ...
(sambuts and buah)

    The forms are just principles and concepts like the Jurus in Serak
and Bukti....

   But yes I agree Uncle teach a lot of people different way...and
different think....uncle is a warrior not a teacher....When U train
with him U have to be very open He not teach U form but a way to fight
The way to fight is the same ....the method of teaching is different

   I had the opportunitie to train some Tjimande with Him at MTL.....at
the school of Professor Gelinas...a small group with Guru Tuan Randall
the jurus he teach have a pattern but he put the emphazize in the
applications ....so the jurus could be perform in different way depend
on the intention....

   Steeve







--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Ellner" <tellner@...> wrote:
>
>  I've talked to a number of Sifu Willem's students over the years.
Every one
> seems to have learned different things from him. Is there some sort
of
> minimum set that all of the gurus or sifus under him will have
mastered?
>
> Regards,
> Todd
>

No apologize Todd....ur right and let ur temper go anytime with this
kind of person....I will thank U to U to reply to this asshole ...

   Steeve


--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Ellner" <tellner@...> wrote:
>
> I apologize for letting my temper get the better of me.
>

I apologize for letting my temper get the better of me.

Merci Dominique
  ya pas d affaire icitte :))))

   Steeve

--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, dombell@... wrote:
>
> I agree! ;o)
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Steeve Malette
>   To: combinato@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:54 PM
>   Subject: [combinato] Bye Bye Nemo
>
>
>
>   Some need car ...some need dog to be great...
>
>   Sorry r todd I delete all the message with this asshole...
>
>   Steeve
>   Peace
>

I Lived in Gatineau(Hull) near of Ottawa Canada

  Steeve


  --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <elira67@...> wrote:
>
> Im in Texas, USA
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Steeve Malette

To: combinato@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:54 PM

Subject: [combinato] Bye Bye Nemo

Some need car ...some need dog to be great...

Sorry r todd I delete all the message with this asshole...

Steeve
Peace

Some need car ...some need dog to be great...

   Sorry r todd I delete all the message with this asshole...

  Steeve
  Peace

Im in Texas, USA

----- Original Message -----

From: guru.goodwin

To: combinato@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:17 AM

Subject: [combinato] Re: Hi System Organization Mantis style

Well, Mike I can certainly relate to your story.

I am also just north of 50 and am interested in sytem organization. As
we get older we need to train more intelligently due to injuries and
health restraints.

My system (style) was not born out of the intent to form a style,
rather it was born out of my need to integrate the various sources of
information that have influenced me over my lifetime. The philosopic
principles are what drive the specific organization of information. It
grows up out mathematics as it applies to leverage and into an
organization of information based on simplicity, shortest path
movement, intermixed leverage and damage, and utilization of a
complete toolset. I see footwork as paramount, and I distinguish foot
work from kicking. It is balanced in a roughly equal use of upper and
lower body elements. The lower body supports the upper body in
leverage and extends it in damage (kicking). Damage must be based on
the systems to which it applies as well as the method by which it is
applied.

I have several praying mantis pets and recently was teaching some of
our mantis style of Kun Tao to my students.

My actual pet mantis is from africa and about 4 inches long. The
babies come out about 150 at a time. They descend a tiny thread and
crawl up. (kinda like us) They look like ants, though they are more
delicate at that stage. My oldest baby is about an inch long, bright
green and really cute. These mantids have perfectly triangular heads
and clean themselves like cats.

I have a second batch of babies about a week old. At that age they
prefer fruit flys for food. Though they do eat each other :-)

I have been spending many hours observing them and trying to figure
out why someone found them so interesting as to form a kung fu style
based on them. Well ... now i understand :-)

Where in Ontario do you live?

Well, Mike I can certainly relate to your story.

I am also just north of 50 and am interested in sytem organization. As
we get older we need to train more intelligently due to injuries and
health restraints.

My system (style) was not born out of the intent to form a style,
rather it was born out of my need to integrate the various sources of
information that have influenced me over my lifetime. The philosopic
principles are what drive the specific organization of information. It
grows up out mathematics as it applies to leverage and into an
organization of information based on simplicity, shortest path
movement, intermixed leverage and damage, and utilization of a
complete toolset. I see footwork as paramount, and I distinguish foot
work from kicking. It is balanced in a roughly equal use of upper and
lower body elements. The lower body supports the upper body in
leverage and extends it in damage (kicking). Damage must be based on
the systems to which it applies as well as the method by which it is
applied.


I have several praying mantis pets and recently was teaching some of
our mantis style of Kun Tao to my students.

My actual pet mantis is from africa and about 4 inches long. The
babies come out about 150 at a time. They descend a tiny thread and
crawl up. (kinda like us) They look like ants, though they are more
delicate at that stage. My oldest baby is about an inch long, bright
green and really cute. These mantids have perfectly triangular heads
and clean themselves like cats.

I have a second batch of babies about a week old. At that age they
prefer fruit flys for food. Though they do eat each other :-)

I have been spending many hours observing them and trying to figure
out why someone found them so interesting as to form a kung fu style
based on them. Well ... now i understand :-)

Where in Ontario do you live?

Thank Guru Tuan Goodwin

    Steeve


--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "guru.goodwin" <kuntaosilat@...>
wrote:
>
> Kun Tao Silat Combinato
> History and Organization
> By Guru Tuan, Ch'uan Shih Sifu Randall Goodwin
>
> Kun Tao refers to the Chinese Martial Arts, commonly known as Kung
Fu,
>  as they are practiced in the Indonesian islands and in other island
> cultures running up into the Philippines. Sometimes it is used to
> reference family styles of Kung Fu as well. In the Philippines it
> often refers to Indonesian Arts including some Silat based arts.
Silat
> or Pentjak Silat refers to the Indonesian Martial Arts. The newer
> spelling of Pentjak is Pencak. Silat based styles are known for
their
> footwork which is trained on geometric diagrams such as the circle
and
> square, as well as there knife work.
>
> Kun Tao Silat Combinato is a system combining principles and common
> motion from a wide base of martial arts. Its primary foundation is
in
> the styles of Kun Tao and Silat taught by the de Thouars family.
Guru
> Besar Willem de Thouars has combined his arts together to produce a
> style called Kun Lun Pai Kung Fu. This name was suggested by the
late
> Bill Chang (U Un Surya) a great Chinese Kun Tao practitioner that
was
> killed in Indonesia during the anti-Chinese rioting a few years ago.
> It honors the geographic region that our Kun Tao derived from. At a
> later time this art has become more widely known by the name Kun Tao
> Silat de Thouars. This is my foundation. I also studied the de
Thouars
> family style of Serak Silat under Pendekar Paul de Thouars (see:
> Karate it's History and Traditions, by Bruce Haines), Willem's older
> brother, and I must credit Willem's younger brother Bapak Victor de
> Thouars for helping me to understand the principles of leverage. At
> the same time I am unable to ignore all of my other teachers and
> friends that have contributed to my understanding of the martial
arts
> over the years and it is in recognition of the combined
contributions
> of my other teachers that I distinguish my practice as Combinato.
This
> name was goes back to my late Okinawa Te teacher Earl Alston. Earl
was
> a friend and mentor that introduced me to many things. He worked to
> help troubled youth and taught for many years at the Northglenn
> Community Center in Colorado. Earl and Russell Peron shared space
in a
> school in East Denver. This was my introduction to one of my first
Tae
> Kwon Do teachers, Russell Peron. Earl was a friend of Si Gung Wayne
> Welsh and of Guru Besar Willem de Thouars and he provided me with
> introductions to each of them. In the mid to late seventies it was
> Earl's dream to combine the teachings of the de Thouars family in
> organization with his own. For a short time we had a Combinato logo
> across the gi's of  Earl's students. I received my second degree
Black
> Belt in Okinawa Te from Earl, but I must admit that it regard his
> teaching as a genuinely eclectic and American art combining boxing,
> Kenpo and TKD into his Okinawa Te. While this organization never
> lasted, I honor the effort in choosing to continue this name as the
> designation for the set of forms that I have developed and the
> presentation of principles that I have derived by reflection on the
> lessons of all of my teachers. I have a Yoga lineage through Swami
> Vishnu Devananda where I am ranked as Yoga Siromani. It should be
> noted that my title of Guru is a martial arts ranking earned through
> Bapak Willem de Thouars and is not a Yoga title. I thank all my
> school-brothers in the art and I must also credit my association
with
> many others over the years, such as Sifu/Guru Philip Gelinas and
Guro
> Dan Inosanto (both with too many titles to list); Sifu Grant Hagiya,
> Kenpo; Sensei Yutaka Yaguchi, Shotokan; Song Ki Padula, Moo Duk Kwan
> (TKD, Sifu Roger West and Guru Chas Clements; my many training
> partners, most notably Guru Steve Gartin; and my supportive students
> of many years.
>
> Kun Lun Pai
>
> "Uncle" Willem de Thouars has combined his sixty years of martial
arts
> experience into Kun Lun Pai. I was fortunate to be one of the
earliest
> few (4) students. I started my studies in this art in the
> mid-seventies and continue them to this day. Uncle has combined his
> experience into this unique blend of many styles. He adds boxing
from
> George Hamilton, and Fencing from Leo Legrand and a lifetime of
> exposure to a martial arts family and culture. He learned from his
> many Uncles and other family members as well.
>
> Kun Tao Branches
>
> Que Moi Shantung – Seven animal styles of Kun Tao blended from
> Northern and Southern systems. Shantung  Introduced to Java, Sumatra
> and the Celebes in 1920. Taught to Uncle Willem de Thouars by Sifu
Tan
> Tong Liong, Sifu Oeitjong Han and Professor Go Yap Min.
>
> Shantung – Widely practiced in Indonesia, wide powerful with long
> extended techniques. From Sifu Tan Tong Liong.
>
> Hokkien Kun Tao – powerful light agile movements of the monkey.
>
> Kwantung – based on very strong and low stances, with quick and
agile
> counters. Based on power rather than speed. This system is practiced
> in Sumatra and Java. From Sifu Carl Deerns.
>
> Fukkien – wide open, inviting, but very heartless in attacking
> motions. Sifu Buck Chin.
>
> Honan – A composition of Shantung, Hokkien, and Fukkien Kun Tao
> Systems. Sifu Buck Chin.
>
> Po Kwa Zen I Shing Ie – Chu'an Chu Shing Ie – an old style of Tai
> Chi/Pa Kua/Hsing I, which includes the Green Dragon and White Cloud
Po
> Kwa Zen forms as well as Tai Keh (Indonesian Tai Chi) and Five
> Elemental patterns. Sifus  Buck Chin and Tan Tong Liong.
>
> Pencak Silat Branches
>
> Kendang Pencak Silat – is based half on principles and techniques of
> Si Kwitang Silat and half on Ganyung, Pamur, Cimande, Serak, and
> Petjut Silat styles. A balance of rhythm and timing in advancing and
> kicking. From Raden Atmo and Raden Sordjoro.
>
> Si Kwitang Pencak Silat – meaning to grind or break; this style was
> originally a Hokkien Kun Tao system, but it was introduced as an
> Indonesian art in the Djakarta region. The practitioner grinds and
> breaks his opponent down with low, tight and spring like motions
which
> make him hard to hit. Raden Atmo and Raden Sordjoro.
>
> Pamur Pencak Silat – is the main art practiced on the island of
> Madura. It is based on misdirecting an attackers energy, then
catching
> the attacking limb so as to render it harmless before countering.
From
> Mas Soendojo.
>
> Petjut Pencak Silat – mainly an open handed fighting style which
deals
> with hitting pressure points and  vital areas. Based on dropping
your
> opponent where he stands. The least amount of effort and the maximum
> result. From the Moslem priest Hadji Samoel who also studied with
> Willem de Thouars' grandfather.
>
> Pencak Silat Bondo Waso – primarily a knife system, very deceptive
and
> sneaky. Taught by Tai Ing, the Butcher.
>
> Pencak Silat Cimindi – a widely practiced style in Indonesia, with
> many variants. Uncle learned from his father-in-law Sifu Carl Deerns
> who in turn learned from Mas Atma (see: Weapons and Fighting Arts of
> the Indonesian Archipelago).
>
> Pencak Silat Serak
> I studied from Pendekar Paul de Thouars for seven years in Colo and
> LA, I also learned from Bapak Victor de Thouars during this period,
I
> received a Guru Mudah ranking in 1984 and continued studies in
> variants shown by Willem de Thouars as he learned them from his
> Uncles. Contains 18 basic djurus (hand forms) and variants, langkas
> (leg forms and kicking) and buahs (techniques).
>
> Combinato
>
> This is comprised of a set of forms which are intended to provide a
> bridge between styles. Currently there are four forms, several
> exercises, a collection of techniques, and a well developed set of
> principles.
>
> · Combinato Satu is a basic form which demonstrates common counters.
> It covers the upper, high, middle and low body areas both on the
> inside and outside of the body. It covers overhead and turning
> counters. It also introduces Palm Waving exercises, which are the
> foundation of the parry and counter systems in much of the Silat.
>
> · Combinato Dua provides a bridge between styles by demonstrating
the
> transition in stances and footwork between various Kun Tao and Silat
> styles with Hsing Ie and Tai Chi, as well as, integrating handwork
> from each of these styles. It combines Metal, Earth, Water, Fire
and
> Wood, with the Indonesian Sapu (front sweep) and Songsat (uppercut).
>
> · Pukulan Kilat Combinato – combines nine basic short Silat entry
> methods with long arm Kun Tao animal style. It develops balance and
> provides a foundation for advanced multi-style kicking integrated
with
> the Pa Kwa and Silat footwork and provides a bridge between Po Kwa
Zen
> and Pencak Silat.
>
> · Combinato Sepak presents combined kicking methods from several
> styles including Tae Kwon Do, Kun Tao, Pencak Silat and Karate. The
> handwork is primarily derived from the Kun Tao animal styles. Uses
the
> Tiger, Crane, Snake and Mantis.
>
> Basic Principles
>
> The Aesthetic Principle. This philosophical principle is not
intended
> to mean a beauty principle, but an organizational one, governed by
the
> characteristics that distinguish an activity as an Art. This means
> that information is presented thematically and with variation in
> harmony. Also it is to distinguish this as a participatory art,
i.e.,
> the art is in the doing.
>
> The Binary Principle (Yin and Yang). Covers basic strategies in
> yielding and opposition as a function of direction. "Two roads
> diverged in a wood and I -- I took the one less traveled by, and
that
> has made all the difference." – Robert Frost
>
> The Systems Principle – Multiple Interdependant Systems (MIS).
>
> The Leverage Principle (Skeletal System)– multiple, interdependent,
> synchronous levers, circulinear force, centers of rotation, fulcrums
> and semi-immobilizations.
>
> The Damage Principle
>
> The Progressive Principle governs the succession of movements and
> development of technique in conjunction with the other principles.
>
> Application Principles – demonstrates and investigates the identity
of
> dissimilar techniques in their function on the opponents structures.
>
>
> All Copyrights Reserved
> Randall Goodwin
>

Kun Tao Silat Combinato
History and Organization
By Guru Tuan, Ch'uan Shih Sifu Randall Goodwin

Kun Tao refers to the Chinese Martial Arts, commonly known as Kung Fu,
  as they are practiced in the Indonesian islands and in other island
cultures running up into the Philippines. Sometimes it is used to
reference family styles of Kung Fu as well. In the Philippines it
often refers to Indonesian Arts including some Silat based arts. Silat
or Pentjak Silat refers to the Indonesian Martial Arts. The newer
spelling of Pentjak is Pencak. Silat based styles are known for their
footwork which is trained on geometric diagrams such as the circle and
square, as well as there knife work.

Kun Tao Silat Combinato is a system combining principles and common
motion from a wide base of martial arts. Its primary foundation is in
the styles of Kun Tao and Silat taught by the de Thouars family. Guru
Besar Willem de Thouars has combined his arts together to produce a
style called Kun Lun Pai Kung Fu. This name was suggested by the late
Bill Chang (U Un Surya) a great Chinese Kun Tao practitioner that was
killed in Indonesia during the anti-Chinese rioting a few years ago.
It honors the geographic region that our Kun Tao derived from. At a
later time this art has become more widely known by the name Kun Tao
Silat de Thouars. This is my foundation. I also studied the de Thouars
family style of Serak Silat under Pendekar Paul de Thouars (see:
Karate it's History and Traditions, by Bruce Haines), Willem's older
brother, and I must credit Willem's younger brother Bapak Victor de
Thouars for helping me to understand the principles of leverage. At
the same time I am unable to ignore all of my other teachers and
friends that have contributed to my understanding of the martial arts
over the years and it is in recognition of the combined contributions
of my other teachers that I distinguish my practice as Combinato. This
name was goes back to my late Okinawa Te teacher Earl Alston. Earl was
a friend and mentor that introduced me to many things. He worked to
help troubled youth and taught for many years at the Northglenn
Community Center in Colorado. Earl and Russell Peron shared space in a
school in East Denver. This was my introduction to one of my first Tae
Kwon Do teachers, Russell Peron. Earl was a friend of Si Gung Wayne
Welsh and of Guru Besar Willem de Thouars and he provided me with
introductions to each of them. In the mid to late seventies it was
Earl's dream to combine the teachings of the de Thouars family in
organization with his own. For a short time we had a Combinato logo
across the gi's of  Earl's students. I received my second degree Black
Belt in Okinawa Te from Earl, but I must admit that it regard his
teaching as a genuinely eclectic and American art combining boxing,
Kenpo and TKD into his Okinawa Te. While this organization never
lasted, I honor the effort in choosing to continue this name as the
designation for the set of forms that I have developed and the
presentation of principles that I have derived by reflection on the
lessons of all of my teachers. I have a Yoga lineage through Swami
Vishnu Devananda where I am ranked as Yoga Siromani. It should be
noted that my title of Guru is a martial arts ranking earned through
Bapak Willem de Thouars and is not a Yoga title. I thank all my
school-brothers in the art and I must also credit my association with
many others over the years, such as Sifu/Guru Philip Gelinas and Guro
Dan Inosanto (both with too many titles to list); Sifu Grant Hagiya,
Kenpo; Sensei Yutaka Yaguchi, Shotokan; Song Ki Padula, Moo Duk Kwan
(TKD, Sifu Roger West and Guru Chas Clements; my many training
partners, most notably Guru Steve Gartin; and my supportive students
of many years.

Kun Lun Pai

"Uncle" Willem de Thouars has combined his sixty years of martial arts
experience into Kun Lun Pai. I was fortunate to be one of the earliest
few (4) students. I started my studies in this art in the
mid-seventies and continue them to this day. Uncle has combined his
experience into this unique blend of many styles. He adds boxing from
George Hamilton, and Fencing from Leo Legrand and a lifetime of
exposure to a martial arts family and culture. He learned from his
many Uncles and other family members as well.

Kun Tao Branches

Que Moi Shantung – Seven animal styles of Kun Tao blended from
Northern and Southern systems. Shantung  Introduced to Java, Sumatra
and the Celebes in 1920. Taught to Uncle Willem de Thouars by Sifu Tan
Tong Liong, Sifu Oeitjong Han and Professor Go Yap Min.

Shantung – Widely practiced in Indonesia, wide powerful with long
extended techniques. From Sifu Tan Tong Liong.

Hokkien Kun Tao – powerful light agile movements of the monkey.

Kwantung – based on very strong and low stances, with quick and agile
counters. Based on power rather than speed. This system is practiced
in Sumatra and Java. From Sifu Carl Deerns.

Fukkien – wide open, inviting, but very heartless in attacking
motions. Sifu Buck Chin.

Honan – A composition of Shantung, Hokkien, and Fukkien Kun Tao
Systems. Sifu Buck Chin.

Po Kwa Zen I Shing Ie – Chu'an Chu Shing Ie – an old style of Tai
Chi/Pa Kua/Hsing I, which includes the Green Dragon and White Cloud Po
Kwa Zen forms as well as Tai Keh (Indonesian Tai Chi) and Five
Elemental patterns. Sifus  Buck Chin and Tan Tong Liong.

Pencak Silat Branches

Kendang Pencak Silat – is based half on principles and techniques of
Si Kwitang Silat and half on Ganyung, Pamur, Cimande, Serak, and
Petjut Silat styles. A balance of rhythm and timing in advancing and
kicking. From Raden Atmo and Raden Sordjoro.

Si Kwitang Pencak Silat – meaning to grind or break; this style was
originally a Hokkien Kun Tao system, but it was introduced as an
Indonesian art in the Djakarta region. The practitioner grinds and
breaks his opponent down with low, tight and spring like motions which
make him hard to hit. Raden Atmo and Raden Sordjoro.

Pamur Pencak Silat – is the main art practiced on the island of
Madura. It is based on misdirecting an attackers energy, then catching
the attacking limb so as to render it harmless before countering. From
Mas Soendojo.

Petjut Pencak Silat – mainly an open handed fighting style which deals
with hitting pressure points and  vital areas. Based on dropping your
opponent where he stands. The least amount of effort and the maximum
result. From the Moslem priest Hadji Samoel who also studied with
Willem de Thouars' grandfather.

Pencak Silat Bondo Waso – primarily a knife system, very deceptive and
sneaky. Taught by Tai Ing, the Butcher.

Pencak Silat Cimindi – a widely practiced style in Indonesia, with
many variants. Uncle learned from his father-in-law Sifu Carl Deerns
who in turn learned from Mas Atma (see: Weapons and Fighting Arts of
the Indonesian Archipelago).

Pencak Silat Serak
I studied from Pendekar Paul de Thouars for seven years in Colo and
LA, I also learned from Bapak Victor de Thouars during this period, I
received a Guru Mudah ranking in 1984 and continued studies in
variants shown by Willem de Thouars as he learned them from his
Uncles. Contains 18 basic djurus (hand forms) and variants, langkas
(leg forms and kicking) and buahs (techniques).

Combinato

This is comprised of a set of forms which are intended to provide a
bridge between styles. Currently there are four forms, several
exercises, a collection of techniques, and a well developed set of
principles.

· Combinato Satu is a basic form which demonstrates common counters.
It covers the upper, high, middle and low body areas both on the
inside and outside of the body. It covers overhead and turning
counters. It also introduces Palm Waving exercises, which are the
foundation of the parry and counter systems in much of the Silat.

· Combinato Dua provides a bridge between styles by demonstrating the
transition in stances and footwork between various Kun Tao and Silat
styles with Hsing Ie and Tai Chi, as well as, integrating handwork
from each of these styles. It combines Metal, Earth, Water, Fire  and
Wood, with the Indonesian Sapu (front sweep) and Songsat (uppercut).

· Pukulan Kilat Combinato – combines nine basic short Silat entry
methods with long arm Kun Tao animal style. It develops balance and
provides a foundation for advanced multi-style kicking integrated with
the Pa Kwa and Silat footwork and provides a bridge between Po Kwa Zen
and Pencak Silat.

· Combinato Sepak presents combined kicking methods from several
styles including Tae Kwon Do, Kun Tao, Pencak Silat and Karate. The
handwork is primarily derived from the Kun Tao animal styles. Uses the
Tiger, Crane, Snake and Mantis.

Basic Principles

The Aesthetic Principle. This philosophical principle is not intended
to mean a beauty principle, but an organizational one, governed by the
characteristics that distinguish an activity as an Art. This means
that information is presented thematically and with variation in
harmony. Also it is to distinguish this as a participatory art, i.e.,
the art is in the doing.

The Binary Principle (Yin and Yang). Covers basic strategies in
yielding and opposition as a function of direction. "Two roads
diverged in a wood and I -- I took the one less traveled by, and that
has made all the difference." – Robert Frost

The Systems Principle – Multiple Interdependant Systems (MIS).

The Leverage Principle (Skeletal System)– multiple, interdependent,
synchronous levers, circulinear force, centers of rotation, fulcrums
and semi-immobilizations.

The Damage Principle

The Progressive Principle governs the succession of movements and
development of technique in conjunction with the other principles.

Application Principles – demonstrates and investigates the identity of
dissimilar techniques in their function on the opponents structures.


All Copyrights Reserved
Randall Goodwin

Mike London :)) too much Mike here

Ur a mantis guy :))

Whats about the 9 palms tai mantis ...I read a articles about this
method in Black belt magazine I thing ...Rob Mose a protege of Sifu
Kam Yuen...

Steeve
.

Mike London :)) too much Mike here

   Ur a mantis guy :))

   Whats about the 9 palms tai mantis ...I read a articles about this
method in Black belt magazine I thing ...Rob Mose a protege of Sifu
Kam Yuen...

   Steeve


--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Shaw" <meditationmike@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Steve, and thanks for the welcome.........
>
> I live in London, Ontario....
>
> I studied Mantis (in person) with the following people:
>
> Tommy Fung (Tai Mantis)
> Conald Chow (Tai Mantis)
> Robert Zbozny (Tai Mantis)
> Phil Chiu (Seven Star)
> Chris Chu (Seven Star)
> Rupert Harvey (9 Palms Tai Mantis / I am still with him)
>
> I studied Mantis (correspondence) with:
> Carl Albright (Seven Star)
> Paul Witrod (Chow Gar)
>
> Again, thanks for the welcome,
> Mike
>
>
>
> Howdy Mike and welcome
>
> im in Ottawa Canada...
>
> Where do U live in ontario?
>
> from to U learn ur Mantis 7 stars and Taiji Mantis?
>
> I have some background in Mantis mostly the 7 stars ...
>
> Steeve
>

Mike

  Ok I misunderstood U :)) Divorce hahaha Great its not the divorce to
the wife :))

   Tiga entry is good mostly to go outside gates but its
difficult ...thats take speed...BTW its the best entry ur away of his
follow up and could control the opponent by unbalanced and control
his axis (spine) with trapping hands and leg...like u said in the post

  Whats the history of Reeders kuntao?

  Steeve


--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
<maximillianatreyu@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Steeve,
>
> i should point out i mean my silat family, and i must say it was a
> good move.  all is well here; wife, kids, and dog all say hello.
>
> far as reeder's style, quite a bit to it....
>
> it can play out in different ways, depending on the angles you like.
>
> mostly though, far as i know it, it flanks with tiga to enter and
> then 'rolls' in to any and all openings. a multitude of trap hands
> and counter or reversal techniques are used to respond to any kind
> of 'blockages'.
>
> breaking up balance and structure is a priority, so impacts and
> sticky hands are used to takedown asap after entry. it pretty much
> goes for the spine all the time, one way or another.
>
> definately a very 'chinese' style with a strong similarity to bagua
> tactics, though the forms and postures look like 'traditional' kung
> fu more than any kind of bagua that i have seen (not much btw).
>
> and the style may differ depending on what school you go to.  some
> use tiga, others use a more linear approach, and some specialize in
> areas like leg attacks, or strong striking with elbows and fists.
>
> hope that helps,
>
> mike
> --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
> <chantal.pageau1@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Mike
> >
> >   Hope all is well and U ok with the divorce...
> >
> >    Maybe u could give us some insight in the Reeders kuntao
> System..
> >
> >   Have a good day Bud
> >
> >   Steeve
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
> > <maximillianatreyu@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Steeve, nice to me you.
> > >
> > > on the kuntao angle, i am newly divorced from my fam and just
> > > tooling around.  i saw this site, and read some stuff and
> figured i
> > > would cop a squat here for a while.
> > >
> > > i been in the arts about thirty years or so, with most of my
> > > training in the willem reeders style and some karate and
jujutsu
> to
> > > boot.
> > >
> > > glad to be here.
> > >
> > > mike.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
> > > <chantal.pageau1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Howdy Mike
> > > >
> > > >   Whats news
> > > >
> > > >  Steeve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
> > > > <maximillianatreyu@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hello all
> > > > >
> > > > > liu seong kuntao silat here. looking for some 'fresh air'.
> > > > >
> > > > > mike.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Howdy Mike and welcome

   im in Ottawa Canada...

   Where do U live in ontario?

   from to U learn ur Mantis 7 stars and Taiji Mantis?

   I have some background in Mantis mostly the 7 stars ...

   Steeve




   n--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Shaw" <meditationmike@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I do not usually join martial arts chat lists.......  I have only
been on ONE before and it was a Silat list.
>
> Anyway, I will give a brief intro of myself and take it from
there.......
>
> My name is Mike
> I am 50 years old and have been doing martial arts all my life,
however, my formal training began in 1969.
> I currently run my own school.......
> I am the Ontario rep for the World IL-DO Kwan Federation
> I am the Ontario rep for the World Tang Soo Do Martial Arts Society
> I have a 6th Dan Black Belt in Tang Soo Do
> I have a 6th Dan Black Belt in Kempo
> I have a 2nd Dan in Jiu-jitsu and use to be a 2nd Dan in Tae Kwon
Do but I doubt I remember the forms as I have not done them since the
70s....
> I am a teacher of Shaolin Praying Mantis kung fu having studied
both the Seven Star and Tai Mantis systems...
> I also do Xing Yi and Chen and Yang Tai Chi..........
>
> Why am I here?
>
> Well, I am developing my own Mantis System, with the blessings of
my head instructor.  He and I are putting together a Canadian Mantis
Association...... NO name yet, still discussing it.....
>
> Years ago I knew a fellow from Holland who did Silat..... I believe
his name was Wellhaus or Walhaut or something like that....  Anyway,
I was impressed with the leg trapping techniques and such.....
unfortunately, there is only so much time and I was working on other
arts then and did not get involved with Silat..  Now that I am
slowing down (hereditary heart disease and arthritis in my neck and
spine) and taking it easy and learned what I want from the arts I was
practicing, I am looking for some info regarding Silat that I can
steal for my mantis system.......
>
> I am not looking for any rank in Silat.... I have no interest.....
I love my mantis kung fu........ If anyone is in my area and wants to
drop by my studio to share info or if anyone can suggest GOOD Silat
DVDs or tapes, that would be of great help......
>
> Thanks and take care,
> Mike
>

Steeve,

i should point out i mean my silat family, and i must say it was a
good move.  all is well here; wife, kids, and dog all say hello.

far as reeder's style, quite a bit to it....

it can play out in different ways, depending on the angles you like.

mostly though, far as i know it, it flanks with tiga to enter and
then 'rolls' in to any and all openings. a multitude of trap hands
and counter or reversal techniques are used to respond to any kind
of 'blockages'.

breaking up balance and structure is a priority, so impacts and
sticky hands are used to takedown asap after entry. it pretty much
goes for the spine all the time, one way or another.

definately a very 'chinese' style with a strong similarity to bagua
tactics, though the forms and postures look like 'traditional' kung
fu more than any kind of bagua that i have seen (not much btw).

and the style may differ depending on what school you go to.  some
use tiga, others use a more linear approach, and some specialize in
areas like leg attacks, or strong striking with elbows and fists.

hope that helps,

mike
--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
<chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:
>
>
>  Mike
>
>   Hope all is well and U ok with the divorce...
>
>    Maybe u could give us some insight in the Reeders kuntao
System..
>
>   Have a good day Bud
>
>   Steeve
>
>
>
> --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
> <maximillianatreyu@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey Steeve, nice to me you.
> >
> > on the kuntao angle, i am newly divorced from my fam and just
> > tooling around.  i saw this site, and read some stuff and
figured i
> > would cop a squat here for a while.
> >
> > i been in the arts about thirty years or so, with most of my
> > training in the willem reeders style and some karate and jujutsu
to
> > boot.
> >
> > glad to be here.
> >
> > mike.
> >
> >
> > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
> > <chantal.pageau1@> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Howdy Mike
> > >
> > >   Whats news
> > >
> > >  Steeve
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
> > > <maximillianatreyu@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello all
> > > >
> > > > liu seong kuntao silat here. looking for some 'fresh air'.
> > > >
> > > > mike.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Mike

   Hope all is well and U ok with the divorce...

    Maybe u could give us some insight in the Reeders kuntao System..

   Have a good day Bud

   Steeve



--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
<maximillianatreyu@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Steeve, nice to me you.
>
> on the kuntao angle, i am newly divorced from my fam and just
> tooling around.  i saw this site, and read some stuff and figured i
> would cop a squat here for a while.
>
> i been in the arts about thirty years or so, with most of my
> training in the willem reeders style and some karate and jujutsu to
> boot.
>
> glad to be here.
>
> mike.
>
>
> --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
> <chantal.pageau1@> wrote:
> >
> >  Howdy Mike
> >
> >   Whats news
> >
> >  Steeve
> >
> >
> > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
> > <maximillianatreyu@> wrote:
> > >
> > > hello all
> > >
> > > liu seong kuntao silat here. looking for some 'fresh air'.
> > >
> > > mike.
> > >
> >
>