Steeve,

i should point out i mean my silat family, and i must say it was a
good move.  all is well here; wife, kids, and dog all say hello.

far as reeder's style, quite a bit to it....

it can play out in different ways, depending on the angles you like.

mostly though, far as i know it, it flanks with tiga to enter and
then 'rolls' in to any and all openings. a multitude of trap hands
and counter or reversal techniques are used to respond to any kind
of 'blockages'.

breaking up balance and structure is a priority, so impacts and
sticky hands are used to takedown asap after entry. it pretty much
goes for the spine all the time, one way or another.

definately a very 'chinese' style with a strong similarity to bagua
tactics, though the forms and postures look like 'traditional' kung
fu more than any kind of bagua that i have seen (not much btw).

and the style may differ depending on what school you go to.  some
use tiga, others use a more linear approach, and some specialize in
areas like leg attacks, or strong striking with elbows and fists.

hope that helps,

mike
--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
<chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:
>
>
>  Mike
>
>   Hope all is well and U ok with the divorce...
>
>    Maybe u could give us some insight in the Reeders kuntao
System..
>
>   Have a good day Bud
>
>   Steeve
>
>
>
> --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
> <maximillianatreyu@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey Steeve, nice to me you.
> >
> > on the kuntao angle, i am newly divorced from my fam and just
> > tooling around.  i saw this site, and read some stuff and
figured i
> > would cop a squat here for a while.
> >
> > i been in the arts about thirty years or so, with most of my
> > training in the willem reeders style and some karate and jujutsu
to
> > boot.
> >
> > glad to be here.
> >
> > mike.
> >
> >
> > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
> > <chantal.pageau1@> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Howdy Mike
> > >
> > >   Whats news
> > >
> > >  Steeve
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
> > > <maximillianatreyu@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello all
> > > >
> > > > liu seong kuntao silat here. looking for some 'fresh air'.
> > > >
> > > > mike.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Mike

   Hope all is well and U ok with the divorce...

    Maybe u could give us some insight in the Reeders kuntao System..

   Have a good day Bud

   Steeve



--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
<maximillianatreyu@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Steeve, nice to me you.
>
> on the kuntao angle, i am newly divorced from my fam and just
> tooling around.  i saw this site, and read some stuff and figured i
> would cop a squat here for a while.
>
> i been in the arts about thirty years or so, with most of my
> training in the willem reeders style and some karate and jujutsu to
> boot.
>
> glad to be here.
>
> mike.
>
>
> --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
> <chantal.pageau1@> wrote:
> >
> >  Howdy Mike
> >
> >   Whats news
> >
> >  Steeve
> >
> >
> > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
> > <maximillianatreyu@> wrote:
> > >
> > > hello all
> > >
> > > liu seong kuntao silat here. looking for some 'fresh air'.
> > >
> > > mike.
> > >
> >
>

Hey Steeve, nice to me you.

on the kuntao angle, i am newly divorced from my fam and just
tooling around.  i saw this site, and read some stuff and figured i
would cop a squat here for a while.

i been in the arts about thirty years or so, with most of my
training in the willem reeders style and some karate and jujutsu to
boot.

glad to be here.

mike.


--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
<chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:
>
>  Howdy Mike
>
>   Whats news
>
>  Steeve
>
>
> --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
> <maximillianatreyu@> wrote:
> >
> > hello all
> >
> > liu seong kuntao silat here. looking for some 'fresh air'.
> >
> > mike.
> >
>

Howdy Mike

   Whats news

  Steeve


--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "maximillianatreyu"
<maximillianatreyu@...> wrote:
>
> hello all
>
> liu seong kuntao silat here. looking for some 'fresh air'.
>
> mike.
>

Howdy

   Ed could U ask before ....put this sale in the forum ...

   Thank U

   Steeve

hello all

liu seong kuntao silat here. looking for some 'fresh air'.

mike.

Howdy Todd

  Nice to have U here....

  Steeve


--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Ellner" <tellner@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy, folks. I'm Todd, former student of Brandt Bollers. For the
last 12 years a student of Stevan Plinck.
>

Ed

   U learn with Dvds ....better to to learn this way than nothing...

    Whats do U learn ..... Djurus satu?

   Do U have a background in martial arts?

   Steeve





--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, ed lira <elira67@...> wrote:
>
> Im in the Dallas(garland)Tx, i am currently talking with Hurricane
combat arts, but they are very far almost 50 miles away........
>
>   Ed
>
> Brian Bradbury <jorbrad96@...> wrote:
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>
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>
> ed lira <elira67@...> wrote:
>     Steeve,
>
>   No teacher at the moment, i am learning from DVD's, i plan to
find a teacher in my area.
>
>   Ed
>
> Steeve Malette <chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:
>   Ed
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>   Whos Ur teacher in Kuntao silat?
>
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> --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, ed lira <elira67@> wrote:
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ed lira <elira67@...> wrote:

Steeve,

 

No teacher at the moment, i am learning from DVD's, i plan to find a teacher in my area.

 

Ed

Steeve Malette <chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:

Ed

  Whos Ur teacher in Kuntao silat?

Steeve

--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, ed lira <elira67@...> wrote:
>
> Steeve,
>   
>   I started training in kuntao silat about 1 month ago,  i also
plan to train in silat mubai.....
>   
>   Ed
>  
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>  
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No teacher at the moment, i am learning from DVD's, i plan to find a teacher in my area.

 

Ed

Steeve Malette <chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:

Ed

  Whos Ur teacher in Kuntao silat?

Steeve

--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, ed lira <elira67@...> wrote:
>
> Steeve,
>   
>   I started training in kuntao silat about 1 month ago,  i also
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>   
>   Ed
>  
>
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>  
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> Steeve,
>   
>   I started training in kuntao silat about 1 month ago,  i also
plan to train in silat mubai.....
>   
>   Ed
>  
>
> Steeve Malette <chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:
>  
> Welcome Ed
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>
>   I started training in kuntao silat about 1 month ago,  i also
plan to train in silat mubai.....
>
>   Ed
>
>
> Steeve Malette <chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:
>
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Welcome Ed

  Do U train in kuntao silat or others chinese & indonesian style?

  Steeve

  --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <elira67@...> wrote:
>
> Just joined, glad to be a member
>

Just joined, glad to be a member

Buddy

  Send me e mail to my e mail:)) chantal.pageau1@... mygirl
friend  good way to dont forget:)))

    U could talk in private....

Steeve

--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, Buddy Tripp <buddyltripp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Steeve,
> Yes exactly. And all their exercises like FuHugong and stuff. Hong
Laoshi put that together based on his experience in the stuff he
learned from Zhang Zhunfeng (IMA) and his previous study w/his
brothers in the MA that were available on Taiwan at the time (mostly
Fujian stuff, like kuntao). Hong was very clever. He used all that
stuff to a. weed people out and b. give them a system of exercise.
Their final level was Xingyiquan. But Hong couldn't help but having
bagua in it.
> If ever you or Guru Randall want to have some Bagua internal work
in your school it would be fun to meet all of you. I'm a little
damaged from a fall so I could only teach some stuff. Unfortunately I
can't move well enough right now (but I will!) to mix it up and have
fun knocking each other around.
> Thanks for the note my friend,
> Buddy
>
> Steeve Malette <chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:     thank buddy
> 
>   nice website....very good applications of the post heaven...
>  I have the dvd for Clever hands and subtle skills by Luo...I
really
>  like the Gao style...
> 
> 
>    does u refer to the tang shou tao as the 8 steps forms like Ba
Bu
>  Da,ba lien shou and so on the more external stuff teach before the
>  Hsing I?
> 
>   Steeve
> 
>    --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "buddyltripp" <buddyltripp@>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Steeve,
>  > I won't give mine (www.lungmen.org) because it's crap. But try my
>  > (KF)brother's site at:
>  > http://www.yizongbagua.com/
>  > for info about us. But here's my seniors stuff about our really
>  basic
>  > apps from our post heaven linear palm sets:
>  > http://www.insidersasia.com/demo.php
>  > Enjoy!
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
>  > <chantal.pageau1@> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  Welcome Buddy
>  > >
>  > >    Feel free to give ur link for the gao style pa kua ...nice
>  site and
>  > > very excellent style
>  > >
>  > >    buddy Does the hsing I U practiced from Sifu Luo De Hsiu is
>  from
>  > > Hung I hsiang or Hsu Hong Chi...the shen lung or the tang shou
>  tao?
>  > >
>  > >   Steeve
>  > >
>  >
> 
> 
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  Steeve

--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, Buddy Tripp <buddyltripp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Steeve,
> Yes exactly. And all their exercises like FuHugong and stuff. Hong
Laoshi put that together based on his experience in the stuff he
learned from Zhang Zhunfeng (IMA) and his previous study w/his
brothers in the MA that were available on Taiwan at the time (mostly
Fujian stuff, like kuntao). Hong was very clever. He used all that
stuff to a. weed people out and b. give them a system of exercise.
Their final level was Xingyiquan. But Hong couldn't help but having
bagua in it.
> If ever you or Guru Randall want to have some Bagua internal work
in your school it would be fun to meet all of you. I'm a little
damaged from a fall so I could only teach some stuff. Unfortunately I
can't move well enough right now (but I will!) to mix it up and have
fun knocking each other around.
> Thanks for the note my friend,
> Buddy
>
> Steeve Malette <chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:     thank buddy
>
>   nice website....very good applications of the post heaven...
>  I have the dvd for Clever hands and subtle skills by Luo...I
really
>  like the Gao style...
>
>
>    does u refer to the tang shou tao as the 8 steps forms like Ba
Bu
>  Da,ba lien shou and so on the more external stuff teach before the
>  Hsing I?
>
>   Steeve
>
>    --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "buddyltripp" <buddyltripp@>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Steeve,
>  > I won't give mine (www.lungmen.org) because it's crap. But try my
>  > (KF)brother's site at:
>  > http://www.yizongbagua.com/
>  > for info about us. But here's my seniors stuff about our really
>  basic
>  > apps from our post heaven linear palm sets:
>  > http://www.insidersasia.com/demo.php
>  > Enjoy!
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
>  > <chantal.pageau1@> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  Welcome Buddy
>  > >
>  > >    Feel free to give ur link for the gao style pa kua ...nice
>  site and
>  > > very excellent style
>  > >
>  > >    buddy Does the hsing I U practiced from Sifu Luo De Hsiu is
>  from
>  > > Hung I hsiang or Hsu Hong Chi...the shen lung or the tang shou
>  tao?
>  > >
>  > >   Steeve
>  > >
>  >
>
>
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thank buddy

nice website....very good applications of the post heaven...
I have the dvd for Clever hands and subtle skills by Luo...I really
like the Gao style...


  does u refer to the tang shou tao as the 8 steps forms like Ba Bu
Da,ba lien shou and so on the more external stuff teach before the
Hsing I?

Steeve

  --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "buddyltripp" <buddyltripp@...>
wrote:
>
> Steeve,
> I won't give mine (www.lungmen.org) because it's crap. But try my
> (KF)brother's site at:
> http://www.yizongbagua.com/
> for info about us. But here's my seniors stuff about our really
basic
> apps from our post heaven linear palm sets:
> http://www.insidersasia.com/demo.php
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
> --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
> <chantal.pageau1@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Welcome Buddy
> >
> >    Feel free to give ur link for the gao style pa kua ...nice
site and
> > very excellent style
> >
> >    buddy Does the hsing I U practiced from Sifu Luo De Hsiu is
from
> > Hung I hsiang or Hsu Hong Chi...the shen lung or the tang shou
tao?
> >
> >   Steeve
> >
>

thank buddy

  nice website....very good applications of the post heaven...
I have the dvd for Clever hands and subtle skills by Luo...I really
like the Gao style...


   does u refer to the tang shou tao as the 8 steps forms like Ba Bu
Da,ba lien shou and so on the more external stuff teach before the
Hsing I?

  Steeve

   --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "buddyltripp" <buddyltripp@...>
wrote:
>
> Steeve,
> I won't give mine (www.lungmen.org) because it's crap. But try my
> (KF)brother's site at:
> http://www.yizongbagua.com/
> for info about us. But here's my seniors stuff about our really
basic
> apps from our post heaven linear palm sets:
> http://www.insidersasia.com/demo.php
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
> --- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
> <chantal.pageau1@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Welcome Buddy
> >
> >    Feel free to give ur link for the gao style pa kua ...nice
site and
> > very excellent style
> >
> >    buddy Does the hsing I U practiced from Sifu Luo De Hsiu is
from
> > Hung I hsiang or Hsu Hong Chi...the shen lung or the tang shou
tao?
> >
> >   Steeve
> >
>

Steeve,
I won't give mine (www.lungmen.org) because it's crap. But try my
(KF)brother's site at:
http://www.yizongbagua.com/
for info about us. But here's my seniors stuff about our really basic
apps from our post heaven linear palm sets:
http://www.insidersasia.com/demo.php
Enjoy!



--- In combinato@yahoogroups.com, "Steeve Malette"
<chantal.pageau1@...> wrote:
>
>
>  Welcome Buddy
>
>    Feel free to give ur link for the gao style pa kua ...nice site and
> very excellent style
>
>    buddy Does the hsing I U practiced from Sifu Luo De Hsiu is from
> Hung I hsiang or Hsu Hong Chi...the shen lung or the tang shou tao?
>
>   Steeve
>

Welcome Buddy

   Feel free to give ur link for the gao style pa kua ...nice site and
very excellent style

   buddy Does the hsing I U practiced from Sifu Luo De Hsiu is from
Hung I hsiang or Hsu Hong Chi...the shen lung or the tang shou tao?

  Steeve

Welcome Buddy

    Feel free to give ur link for the gao style pa kua ...nice site and
very excellent style

    buddy Does the hsing I U practiced from Sifu Luo De Hsiu is from
Hung I hsiang or Hsu Hong Chi...the shen lung or the tang shou tao?

   Steeve

Hi this is Buddy from the previous group. I had the good fortune to
work with Uncle at a couple of workshops several years ago and was with
Victor for a few years. Now it's just Chinese internal martial arts
for me.
Cheers,
Buddy

Steeve,

Thank you for re-posting my question. I am certainly looking forward
to learning more about the styles which make up this art.

Thanks,
Tony

Hi All,

I was wondering if some one could give some info on the different
styles of kuntao and silat that finally became Kuntao-Silat deThours?

Thanks,
Tony

   Randall could U give a respond to his question

  Steeve

Salut Dominique


     j espere pouvoir te rencontrer un de c jour(I hope meet U one day)
Ur welcome to urs groups ....like a students of Randall like
me ...even if its a long time i have not train with him...I agree he
teach with his heart not for money...

    Good to see U again Dominique

  Steeve

Hi everybody, I'm really happy to see that group is owned by Guru
Randall Goodwin. I'm practicing kuntao silat under him since fall
2002. I have only good words to say about Mr Goodwin. I'm really proud
and honored to be one of his students, because he's teaching with his
heart and he's sharing his love of the art.

I'm more a practionner than a writer, so I probably won't write a lot
on this group, but I'll read your posts.

Dominique Bellerose

This group is for practitioners of Kun Tao (Kung Fu), Pencak Silat
(Indonesian Martial Arts) and others of like mind to exchange ideas
and develop relationships.

I call my personal style Kun Tao Silat Combinato in honor of my late
teacher Earl Alston. His idea was to combine elements of several arts.
Earl wrote on this in 1979. In the future I will post Earl's original
article. Combinato currently refers to a set of four forms, which I
teach in addition to the Kun Tao and Silat that I learned from Uncle
Willem de Thouars.  I created these forms to convey specific ideas as
part of a personal process of integration, focused through a lens by
unifying elements of diverse martial arts.

I am a student of Uncle Willem de Thouars that has been continuously
teaching Kuntao Silat since the late seventies. No one except Uncle
has been teaching his style longer. Victor de Thouars was my room mate
for a year and Steve Gartin was also my room mate and a
co-practitioner under Uncle for several early years. I lived with Paul
de Thouars for several months in California and Steven Plinck was my
training partner in those days, later when I was in need Steven Plinck
graced me with his hospitality as well. Now the previous and original
Kuntaosilat group was deleted, presumably by Steve Gartin, as he was
given owner access by Steeve Malette a number of years ago. I was
asked to help clean up the libelious posts that had been occuring so I
joined the previous group, made one post stating this intention, and
voila, Steve Gartin presumably saw it and deleted the group. I had not
realized that he had been given that access. Well not to be easily
defeated, Steeve Malette immediately restarted the group as this
current one. I would like to set the record straight on several matters.

First, in this group we do not stand on rank. Mostly Mas (an
Indonesian honorific) has been used in my opinion as Mutual Admiration
Society. People have been using Steve's distance learning to gain
certification because they could not do the hard work with a teacher.
I do not recognize any ranking and promotion given through this
method. Any distance learning is good but only as a supplement to a
qualified instructor and quality training partners.

Second, Uncle (or Bapak) Willem de Thouars does not recognize any rank
given by Steve Gartin nor does he recognize Steve as a finished
student. He has asked Steve to stop exploiting his name and image, and
this has been ignored.

Third, Steve Gartin does his own style, not Uncle's style.
Chas Clements was never a practicing student of Uncle as far as I
know. He does his own style, not Uncle's style.

Uncle has continued to evolve his style and teaching and Steve Gartin
has not been a part of this.

Fortunately I continue to have positive relations with Uncle and
continue to learn from him on my visits to Colorado and when he visits
me in Montreal. For several years I was bringing him up here four
times a year. I practice the forms that Steve practices as most of
those are early forms taught by Uncle. Steve has not updated his
expression of these forms, nor learned the newer forms that Uncle has
continued to show over the years.

I teach at Phil Gelinas' Martial Arts school in Montreal and have for
eight years. I started my studies in Judo at the age of ten, in 1964.
I continued in Kenpo at 17. Later I studied JKA Shotokan with Yutaka
Yaguchi and then Tae Kwon Do under Russell Peron and Song Ki Padula. I
studied Okinawa Te with Earl Alston, up to a rank of Nidan, (in the
early eighties). Earl encouraged me to study with Uncle and also
pointed me towards an eclectic approach to the arts. I studied Serak
with Paul de Thouars for seven years. I have studied with Uncle for
almost 30 years. I touched and practiced many other martial arts over
the years. I also am a Yoga instructor, certified by the late Swami
Vishnudevananda. Many of my studies were concurrent.

I apologize for the need to start by setting the record straight, but
seeing as the previous group was deleted presumably by Steve, as no
one else had both the authority and motive, I feel the need to make
this statement for the record.

I encourage people to contribute in a positive manner.

Racially derogatory posts will not be tolerated. However people are
allowed to discuss cultural issues even in disagreement. We do not
want to enforce homogeneity just civility and respect.

As per my last post on the previous group:

Do not confuse Pride with Honor;
nor Intransigence with Integrity.

Please enjoy your visits!

Randall Goodwin

Welcome to the group

   The old kuntao silat group is death....kill by someone ....Who care

    Voila the new one

   This group is open to all martial arts....we put emphasize in the
chinese & indonesian since thats what we practice...

    We stay out of politic stuff and the idea is sharing

    Discussion about martial arts and I put some video
clips,links.... ...Ur welcome to do the same....

    Steeve