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#89 From: "James Hintz" <potts316@...>
Date: Sat Dec 1, 2001 10:00 am
Subject: Re: national TV games
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Guys, thank you so much! Much appreciated!

James


--- In collegerpi@y..., "Lawyerman" <eml@l...> wrote:
> CNNSI has an excellent listing of all college basketball national
TV
games
> for CBS, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and Fox Sports at:
>
>
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/2002/tv_schedule/
>
> Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!!
>
> Eddie Lorenzo
> eml@l...

#88 From: "Lawyerman" <eml@...>
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:23 pm
Subject: Re: national TV games
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CNNSI has an excellent listing of all college basketball national TV games
for CBS, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and Fox Sports at:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/2002/tv_schedule/

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!!

Eddie Lorenzo
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#87 From: "Alexander Harm" <alexharm@...>
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: national TV games
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This post inspired me to do a quick search on the web.

http://www.fansonly.com/channels/news/sports/m-baskbl/tvschedule/tvsch
edule.html looks like the ticket.

-Harm

--- In collegerpi@y..., "James Hintz" <potts316@h...> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a site that lists all of the national TV games
> for this season? Last year USAToday.com had an awesome page at
> http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketba/skm/skmtvsked.htm
> that listed all the games on ESPN, CBS, ABC, and FOX Sports Net.
>
> I know you can get ESPN's games off of their site and I found a
> partial list of CBS games at CBS Sportsline but if anyone knows of a
> comprehensive list for this year like the one USA Today did last
> year, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

#86 From: "James Hintz" <potts316@...>
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:26 am
Subject: national TV games
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Does anyone know of a site that lists all of the national TV games
for this season? Last year USAToday.com had an awesome page at
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketba/skm/skmtvsked.htm
that listed all the games on ESPN, CBS, ABC, and FOX Sports Net.

I know you can get ESPN's games off of their site and I found a
partial list of CBS games at CBS Sportsline but if anyone knows of a
comprehensive list for this year like the one USA Today did last
year, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

#85 From: tvoiss@...
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 2:57 am
Subject: Re: 2000-2001 schedule question
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After polishing off the likes of Union, Savannah St, and Denver, on
1/3/01 Western Kentucky beat Asbury College 81-29.


--- In collegerpi@y..., leroybrown7@h... wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone in here could tell me who Western
Kentucky
> played in basketball on Jan. 3rd, 2001. It would be a big help to
me
> in making my future picks for Fantasy Hoops. Thanks. :-)

#84 From: Frank Gruber <falconealpini@...>
Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: Mizzou all the way!!
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As a huge Mizzou fan I'd love to see them go far but
am still worried that the ineligibility issue of
Okafor could really hurt this team.

However, they are already winning games this year that
they would have lost last season.

Their schedule is such that we should have a pretty
good feel for their upside all season long.  Great
non-con (and Big XII) sched.


--- David Conrado <dacon1508@...> wrote:
> As of right now, besides probably Arizona, Mizzou
> has to like one of
> the better teams in the nation right now.  Beating
> three potential
> and in all likelihood probable NCAA Tourney teams in
> a row, and in a
> span of 5 days no less (Alabama, Iowa, Xavier) has
> garnered them
> many "team of the week" awards.
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#83 From: "DSJ" <jarvisd@...>
Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:57 am
Subject: Oregon vs. Louisville Game report
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Folks,

I was privelaged to have the opportunity to see the Pape Jam last
weekend at the Rose Garden in Portland, OR, which included Oregon vs.
Louisville.  I have some impressions from both teams to share:

Oregon:
Damn, these guys could be really good.  Freddy Jones, as those who
folow the PAC-10 know, is awesome.  However, the most surprising
performance of the night was Sophmore Luke Ridnours 13 pt. 5 reb.
night.  The Ducks jumped out to an early lead and never looked back.
If they weren't in the PAC-10, they could go somewhere.

Lousiville:
This team is definately in a rebuilding phase.  With the exception of
Brown and Myles, the team did not play well at all, shooting only 37%
for the game.  This was not so much due to Oregon's defense as it was
to Louisville's ineptitude.  Pitino looked positively sick.

#82 From: billvhome@...
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:45 am
Subject: Re: "flying" Illini
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I was refering to the always controverrsial ROBERT MONTGOMERY KNIGHT.

#81 From: Todd Bergmann <tbergma2@...>
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 2:58 am
Subject: Re: "flying" Illini
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I think the past couple years have been a pretty good start for Self.  Don't see
where the controversy even is.
He strikes me as being someone who would be good to play for too, and that's a
huge part of my standard for coaches.
   billvhome@... wrote: first, let me say to the gentleman who seems to be a
hawakeye fan, that the
Hawkeyes would seem to have a good team as well this year, though possibly
not in the same class as Illinois this year. Steve Alford is a good coach,
having done exceptionally well wherever he's coached. If Iowa were to win the
dance, he would also be a non-controversial coach as well.

My posting was a marvel as to how well Bill Self is doing with the material
he was left, and, has recruited. The polls have the Illini highly ranked,
BUT, it is way to early
to say that Illinois will win everything. I just said IF they were to win it
all, Self would be a non-controversial coach.


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#80 From: billvhome@...
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: "flying" Illini
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first, let me say to the gentleman who seems to be a hawakeye fan, that the
Hawkeyes would seem to have a good team as well this year, though possibly
not in the same class as Illinois this year. Steve Alford is a good coach,
having done exceptionally well wherever he's coached. If Iowa were to win the
dance, he would also be a non-controversial coach as well.

My posting was a marvel as to how well Bill Self is doing with the material
he was left, and, has recruited. The polls have the Illini highly ranked,
BUT, it is way to early
to say that Illinois will win everything. I just said IF they were to win it
all, Self would be a non-controversial coach.

#79 From: "David Conrado" <dacon1508@...>
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:48 am
Subject: Mizzou all the way!!
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As of right now, besides probably Arizona, Mizzou has to like one of
the better teams in the nation right now.  Beating three potential
and in all likelihood probable NCAA Tourney teams in a row, and in a
span of 5 days no less (Alabama, Iowa, Xavier) has garnered them
many "team of the week" awards.

#78 From: "Russell Bercier" <RBercier@...>
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: "flying" Illini
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Despite winning the Las Vegas Invitational, I think Illinois is a bit
over-rated.  They had trouble with Penn, and were actually losing to
Southern Illinois with about 2 minutes remaining in the championship game.
Southern Illinois was picked to finish 4th in the Missouri Valley.  I think
they should worry about putting away the mid-majors before we talk about
winning the dance, or the Blue Devils.




Rand Natlanta <randnatlanta@...> on 11/25/2001 11:27:47 AM

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Here's hoping that the Illini hit a brick wall in Iowa
City.

--- billvhome@... wrote:
> Bill Self must be one of the luckiest, if not teh
> luckiest coach in
> D1. When Lon Kruger let for the NBA, he left the
> Cupboard nearly full
> for Self. And, he's taken full advantage of it. The
> polls have
> Illinois near the top, and, their performance in the
> Vegas invitation
> has proved it.
> And, history lives. The famous orange jerseys of Lou
> Henson's "Orange
> Crush" era made there return last night (Friday)
> against Georgia
> Tech, and, the players in them "crsuhed" them
> playing the 'jackets
> game.
> Could a non-controversial coach in the Big Ten go
> all the way in the
> Dance? Be nice if it could happen. (of course, they
> will probably
> have to go through Coach K's Blue Devils, to do it.)
>
>


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#77 From: Rand Natlanta <randnatlanta@...>
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2001 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: "flying" Illini
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Here's hoping that the Illini hit a brick wall in Iowa
City.

--- billvhome@... wrote:
> Bill Self must be one of the luckiest, if not teh
> luckiest coach in
> D1. When Lon Kruger let for the NBA, he left the
> Cupboard nearly full
> for Self. And, he's taken full advantage of it. The
> polls have
> Illinois near the top, and, their performance in the
> Vegas invitation
> has proved it.
> And, history lives. The famous orange jerseys of Lou
> Henson's "Orange
> Crush" era made there return last night (Friday)
> against Georgia
> Tech, and, the players in them "crsuhed" them
> playing the 'jackets
> game.
> Could a non-controversial coach in the Big Ten go
> all the way in the
> Dance? Be nice if it could happen. (of course, they
> will probably
> have to go through Coach K's Blue Devils, to do it.)
>
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#76 From: billvhome@...
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2001 12:42 am
Subject: "flying" Illini
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Bill Self must be one of the luckiest, if not teh luckiest coach in
D1. When Lon Kruger let for the NBA, he left the Cupboard nearly full
for Self. And, he's taken full advantage of it. The polls have
Illinois near the top, and, their performance in the Vegas invitation
has proved it.
And, history lives. The famous orange jerseys of Lou Henson's "Orange
Crush" era made there return last night (Friday) against Georgia
Tech, and, the players in them "crsuhed" them playing the 'jackets
game.
Could a non-controversial coach in the Big Ten go all the way in the
Dance? Be nice if it could happen. (of course, they will probably
have to go through Coach K's Blue Devils, to do it.)

#75 From: Rand Natlanta <randnatlanta@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Ball State and their performance in the Maui invitational.
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As a Big Ten fan, we think of the MAC as our little
brother.  I would even pull for Ball State if they
play Indiana.  However, before you get all hyped about
the end of the season, remember, Ball States
performance could be a result of Kansas and UCLA being
over-rated.  If they end up losing two or three other
pre-conference games then Ball State's performance
will not be so dramatic.  But all the best for the
rest of the season.

--- crusadedave@... wrote:
> Being an avid MAC fan, I was pleased to watch Ball
> State make a
> fantastic run at Maui. For a team in a mid major to
> even play the pre-
> season favorite in the ACC, Pac 10 and Big 12,
> that's got to be a
> Huge Boost to their eventual RPI.
>
> Just out of curiousity, what would the RPI affect be
> for a team in
> the MAC, like say Toledo last year, if they had
> played Duke, Iowa
> State, and Stanford last year, and won 2 of those
> games.
>
> I've got to think that getting to play 3 probable
> end of the year top
> 10 RPI teams would drastically improve your rating.
> I'd just like to
> see some projected increases, for that type of
> performance.
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#74 From: crusadedave@...
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:47 am
Subject: Ball State and their performance in the Maui invitational.
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Being an avid MAC fan, I was pleased to watch Ball State make a
fantastic run at Maui. For a team in a mid major to even play the pre-
season favorite in the ACC, Pac 10 and Big 12, that's got to be a
Huge Boost to their eventual RPI.

Just out of curiousity, what would the RPI affect be for a team in
the MAC, like say Toledo last year, if they had played Duke, Iowa
State, and Stanford last year, and won 2 of those games.

I've got to think that getting to play 3 probable end of the year top
10 RPI teams would drastically improve your rating. I'd just like to
see some projected increases, for that type of performance.

#73 From: billvhome@...
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 8:45 am
Subject: Re: UNC History
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Dougherty must be feeliing kinship with his ex-fellow ND coach, Bob Davie
about now.

#72 From: Jerry Palm <jppalm@...>
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 3:29 am
Subject: Re: RPI modification?
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Home and road is already part of the secret adjustments with regard to
good wins and bad losses.  It sounds like he's talking about making it
more of a factor in that area as opposed to expanding it to the basic
formula.

They would be foolish not to periodically review these types of things
for reasonableness, but keep in mind that the RPI is not "sacred" like
the BCS is.  The committee considers lots of things in a very
subjective way and things like performance away from home (see Alabama,
2000-01) and margin of victory get addressed in that manner.  There's
not going to be an attempt to put something as complicated as MOV into
the RPI.

--- rob42@... wrote:

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Hello,<BR>
<BR>
I just saw read an NCAA press release at:<BR>
<a
href="http://www.ncaa.org/releases/makepage.cgi/champother/2001071201co.htm">htt\
p://www.ncaa.org/releases/makepage.cgi/champother/2001071201co.htm</a><BR>
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One thing that really stood out for me was the following:<BR>
&quot;Tranghese said the committee stressed the importance of
regularly<BR>
evaluating the tools it uses to make decisions in the process. For<BR>
example, he said, the committee has appointed a subcommittee to
review<BR>
the Rating Percentage Index (RPI). The review will include a<BR>
discussion about increasing the credit teams receive for playing -
and<BR>
winning - games away from home.&quot;<BR>
<BR>
Does that last bit sound like a good idea to anyone?&nbsp;
Additionally,<BR>
should a home loss be more of a penalty than an away loss?&nbsp; What
about<BR>
neutral court wins an losses?&nbsp; As an Oklahoma State alumnus
and<BR>
die-hard Cowboy fan, I have to say that playing the old Big 8<BR>
Tournaments in Kansas City (a &quot;neutral&quot; site), hardly ever
seemed<BR>
fair.&nbsp; Kansas always had the most fans there.&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
But I digress... if the selection committee is going to start
looking<BR>
at home v. away games and mucking with the RPI to that effect, how<BR>
long will it be before they start looking at margin of victory?&nbsp;
In my<BR>
opinion, if a team wins an away game by 50 points, or by 1 point at<BR>
the last second in overtime at home, it should go down in the books<BR>
(and the RPI) as a &quot;W&quot;.&nbsp; A win is a
win.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>
Robert Shelton<BR>
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#71 From: Jerry Palm <jppalm@...>
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 2:49 am
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UNC is 0-2 at home for the first time EVER, after losing to Hampton and
Davidson!

Wonder how many for sale signs showed up in Matt Dougherty's yard
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#70 From: "Rich Tandler" <rich@...>
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 2:29 am
Subject: RE: RPI modification?
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-----Original Message-----
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   <<Adding margin of victory would be a travesty.  It would change the game
and
   the way coaches coach.  The object of basketball is to win the game.  A
win
   is a win.  >>

Weren't you significatntly more impressed with Seton Hall when they lost to
Duke by just one rather than if they'd lost by ten? And perhaps a bit less
believing in the invincibility of Duke?

Certainly, the object of the game is to win, but isn't the object of the RPI
to measure the relative strength of teams based on what they've done on the
court? And isn't margin of victory a legit measure of the strength of teams,
to an extent.

To be sure, you'd have to put in something to keep teams from running it up
against weak opponents, or against anyone for that matter. Sagrin does it
and there's no reason that the RPI couldn't either.
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#69 From: "Russell Bercier" <RBercier@...>
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 2:22 am
Subject: RE: RPI modification?
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Adding margin of victory would be a travesty.  It would change the game and
the way coaches coach.  The object of basketball is to win the game.  A win
is a win.  We would see nothing but blowouts and teams would run up the
score instead of playing the bench out of respect for the other team.
Small schools would not want to play larger schools for fear of
embarrassment.  Then we would lose the parity that makes college hoops so
great.  Right now every D-1 team has a chance to win their conference and
get in the dance.  In college football, only about 6-7 teams have a chance
every year.




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   -----Original Message-----
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   Currently margin of victory isn't a factor in the RPI and God willing it
   won't become one anytime soon. Anybody want to guess what a disaster that
   could create - Joe Clayton
I do like having the margin of victory--and the flip side of that, margin
of
defeat--being a factor somewhere along the line. Should there be no
difference if, say, Seton Hall had lost to Duke by one point or 25?
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#68 From: "Rich Tandler" <rich@...>
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 2:00 am
Subject: RE: RPI modification?
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   Currently margin of victory isn't a factor in the RPI and God willing it
   won't become one anytime soon. Anybody want to guess what a disaster that
   could create - Joe Clayton
I do like having the margin of victory--and the flip side of that, margin of
defeat--being a factor somewhere along the line. Should there be no
difference if, say, Seton Hall had lost to Duke by one point or 25?
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#67 From: "Joe Clayton" <jmclayton80@...>
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 1:49 am
Subject: Re: RPI modification?
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Robert - I think road and or neutral games are important since that is all
you play in the tournament  to start with.
Also I believe there is already a certain bonus-penalty and location factor
involving games against teams in the top 50 or below 150 (i.e. good wins and
bad losses)
Currently margin of victory isn't a factor in the RPI and God willing it
won't become one anytime soon. Anybody want to guess what a disaster that
could create - Joe Clayton

>From: rob42@...
>Reply-To: collegerpi@yahoogroups.com
>To: collegerpi@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [collegerpi] RPI modification?
>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:55:04 -0000
>
>Hello,
>
>I just saw read an NCAA press release at:
>http://www.ncaa.org/releases/makepage.cgi/champother/2001071201co.htm
>
>One thing that really stood out for me was the following:
>"Tranghese said the committee stressed the importance of regularly
>evaluating the tools it uses to make decisions in the process. For
>example, he said, the committee has appointed a subcommittee to review
>the Rating Percentage Index (RPI). The review will include a
>discussion about increasing the credit teams receive for playing - and
>winning - games away from home."
>
>Does that last bit sound like a good idea to anyone?  Additionally,
>should a home loss be more of a penalty than an away loss?  What about
>neutral court wins an losses?  As an Oklahoma State alumnus and
>die-hard Cowboy fan, I have to say that playing the old Big 8
>Tournaments in Kansas City (a "neutral" site), hardly ever seemed
>fair.  Kansas always had the most fans there.
>
>But I digress... if the selection committee is going to start looking
>at home v. away games and mucking with the RPI to that effect, how
>long will it be before they start looking at margin of victory?  In my
>opinion, if a team wins an away game by 50 points, or by 1 point at
>the last second in overtime at home, it should go down in the books
>(and the RPI) as a "W".  A win is a win.
>Robert Shelton
>


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#66 From: "Paul Kislanko" <kislanko@...>
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 11:23 pm
Subject: Re: RPI modification?
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I'd love to read what Jerry has to say about this from a statistical
perspective, and I'd like to see how one could do that without mucking
something else up.

But, just from a newspaper-reading fan's perspective, here's my take on
"why" they'd "look at" it...

If the RPI is a factor in the selection process, it can be more helpful to
the committee if it includes the biases that the committee has (see Alabama
last year - left out 'cause regardless of RPI they were a poor road team).
The more they can build such things in to an objective formula, the less
they'll have to look at on selection day.

I don't know how margin of victory would help 'em in any way, especially
smeared over an entire season, so I'd expect they'd leave that part alone.

I'd almost vote for a different measurement, leaving the RPI exactly as-is,
but doing something like Jerry has with variations of the same basic
formula. A new ranking metric that is a linear combination of RPIs for some
subset of the total games played for a team (a*RPI(home-games)+b*RPI(away
games)) being the simplest variation..

#65 From: "Russell Bercier" <RBercier@...>
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 11:15 pm
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I agree, a win is a win.  I don't know what to think about road victories
being part of the RPI, but doesn't the selection commitee take that into
consideration anyway?




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Hello,

I just saw read an NCAA press release at:
http://www.ncaa.org/releases/makepage.cgi/champother/2001071201co.htm

One thing that really stood out for me was the following:
"Tranghese said the committee stressed the importance of regularly
evaluating the tools it uses to make decisions in the process. For
example, he said, the committee has appointed a subcommittee to review
the Rating Percentage Index (RPI). The review will include a
discussion about increasing the credit teams receive for playing - and
winning - games away from home."

Does that last bit sound like a good idea to anyone?  Additionally,
should a home loss be more of a penalty than an away loss?  What about
neutral court wins an losses?  As an Oklahoma State alumnus and
die-hard Cowboy fan, I have to say that playing the old Big 8
Tournaments in Kansas City (a "neutral" site), hardly ever seemed
fair.  Kansas always had the most fans there.

But I digress... if the selection committee is going to start looking
at home v. away games and mucking with the RPI to that effect, how
long will it be before they start looking at margin of victory?  In my
opinion, if a team wins an away game by 50 points, or by 1 point at
the last second in overtime at home, it should go down in the books
(and the RPI) as a "W".  A win is a win.
Robert Shelton



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#64 From: rob42@...
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:55 pm
Subject: RPI modification?
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Hello,

I just saw read an NCAA press release at:
http://www.ncaa.org/releases/makepage.cgi/champother/2001071201co.htm

One thing that really stood out for me was the following:
"Tranghese said the committee stressed the importance of regularly
evaluating the tools it uses to make decisions in the process. For
example, he said, the committee has appointed a subcommittee to review
the Rating Percentage Index (RPI). The review will include a
discussion about increasing the credit teams receive for playing - and
winning - games away from home."

Does that last bit sound like a good idea to anyone?  Additionally,
should a home loss be more of a penalty than an away loss?  What about
neutral court wins an losses?  As an Oklahoma State alumnus and
die-hard Cowboy fan, I have to say that playing the old Big 8
Tournaments in Kansas City (a "neutral" site), hardly ever seemed
fair.  Kansas always had the most fans there.

But I digress... if the selection committee is going to start looking
at home v. away games and mucking with the RPI to that effect, how
long will it be before they start looking at margin of victory?  In my
opinion, if a team wins an away game by 50 points, or by 1 point at
the last second in overtime at home, it should go down in the books
(and the RPI) as a "W".  A win is a win.
Robert Shelton

#63 From: leroybrown7@...
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:12 pm
Subject: 2000-2001 schedule question
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I was wondering if anyone in here could tell me who Western Kentucky
played in basketball on Jan. 3rd, 2001. It would be a big help to me
in making my future picks for Fantasy Hoops. Thanks. :-)

#62 From: "St. Jean Chris" <friars93@...>
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: KENT STATE DESERVES BETTER!
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Relax about Kent.  If you want to complain about the
polls (AP, Coaches) fine - I agree have of the voters
are idiots.  But in the RPI everyone starts at 0.  If
you play a tough schedule, beat quality opponents and
don't lose to teams who are bad or who have weak
schedules, then you will have a higher RPI.

--- Russell Bercier <RBercier@...> wrote:
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> Dude - The RPI is completely objective.  It is based
> on numbers only.  When
> Kent plays someone THIS YEAR and beats them, their
> RPI will improve.
>
>
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> mmtimmons@... on 11/19/2001 07:04:35 PM
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>
> THE KENT STATE GOLDEN FLASHES BEAT INDIANA
> UNIVERSITY LAST YEAR IN
> THE TOURNAMENT AND THEIR REWARD IS A RANK IN THE
> 100'S AT THE START
> OF THIS YEAR! SPORTS ILLUSTRATED RANKED KENT STATE
> 15TH IN THE NATION
> IN THEIR PREVIEW EDITION SO WHY DOES COLLEGE RPI
> RANK THEM SOOOOO
> BAD! IT MAKES NO SENCE! THE GOLDEN FLASHES WILL WIN
> AND HAVE A
> SUCCESSFUL YEAR BUT I DON'T UNDERTSAND WHY THE RANK
> IS SO BAD! PLEASE
> SOMEONE OUT THERE LET ME KNOW WHY THIS GOOD TEAM
> THAT WAS RANKED 15TH
> IN THE SPORTS ILLUSTRATED MAGAZINE IS SHELLED IN THE
> RPI RANKINGS AND
> DOESNT EVEN CUT THE TOP 100! GO KENT STATE GOLDEN
> FLASHES!
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#61 From: "Russell Bercier" <RBercier@...>
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 6:06 pm
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Dude - The RPI is completely objective.  It is based on numbers only.  When
Kent plays someone THIS YEAR and beats them, their RPI will improve.




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THE KENT STATE GOLDEN FLASHES BEAT INDIANA UNIVERSITY LAST YEAR IN
THE TOURNAMENT AND THEIR REWARD IS A RANK IN THE 100'S AT THE START
OF THIS YEAR! SPORTS ILLUSTRATED RANKED KENT STATE 15TH IN THE NATION
IN THEIR PREVIEW EDITION SO WHY DOES COLLEGE RPI RANK THEM SOOOOO
BAD! IT MAKES NO SENCE! THE GOLDEN FLASHES WILL WIN AND HAVE A
SUCCESSFUL YEAR BUT I DON'T UNDERTSAND WHY THE RANK IS SO BAD! PLEASE
SOMEONE OUT THERE LET ME KNOW WHY THIS GOOD TEAM THAT WAS RANKED 15TH
IN THE SPORTS ILLUSTRATED MAGAZINE IS SHELLED IN THE RPI RANKINGS AND
DOESNT EVEN CUT THE TOP 100! GO KENT STATE GOLDEN FLASHES!



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#60 From: Kevin Ady <ady80@...>
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 1:17 am
Subject: Re: KENT STATE DESERVES BETTER!
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mmtimmons:  I may be wrong on this, but I think that
the RPI rankings only reflect what a team has done so
far, with no bias written in.  Has Kent State played
any games yet?  If not, they have a zero rating in the
RPI, and it looked to me like the teams with no games
were in alphabetical order.  Any teams with victories
would be ahead of KSU, and any teams that are 0-1 or
whatever behind them.  Don't all the teams start on an
even keel with zero points?  I may be wrong.

If KSU takes care of business, then their rankings
will improve accordingly.


--- mmtimmons@... wrote:
> THE KENT STATE GOLDEN FLASHES BEAT INDIANA
> UNIVERSITY LAST YEAR IN
> THE TOURNAMENT AND THEIR REWARD IS A RANK IN THE
> 100'S AT THE START
> OF THIS YEAR! SPORTS ILLUSTRATED RANKED KENT STATE
> 15TH IN THE NATION
> IN THEIR PREVIEW EDITION SO WHY DOES COLLEGE RPI
> RANK THEM SOOOOO
> BAD! IT MAKES NO SENCE! THE GOLDEN FLASHES WILL WIN
> AND HAVE A
> SUCCESSFUL YEAR BUT I DON'T UNDERTSAND WHY THE RANK
> IS SO BAD! PLEASE
> SOMEONE OUT THERE LET ME KNOW WHY THIS GOOD TEAM
> THAT WAS RANKED 15TH
> IN THE SPORTS ILLUSTRATED MAGAZINE IS SHELLED IN THE
> RPI RANKINGS AND
> DOESNT EVEN CUT THE TOP 100! GO KENT STATE GOLDEN
> FLASHES!
>
>


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