I seem to recall this being a College RPI group...  When did it turn
into "Too Hot for TV- The Romper Room Story"?

Why are the 'Cats always near the top?  Because they have some
tremendous athletes and they have a tremendous coach.  Do you really
think that they could play at such a superb level year after year
without SOME talent SOMEWHERE?!?!?!  Whether on the coaching staff,
on the court, on the bench...

Why was the flag called on Miami?  There was contact.  Not a ton...
but Nedney wasn't exactly HAMMERED on that field goal attempt,
either.  It happens.  Miami STILL could have won without that play.
They didn't.  Game over.

All of this conspiracy theory crap just doesn't fly with me.  Too
much has to go the right way for any of it to really come to
fruition.  The only conspiracy theory that I will accept is Selig
setting up some plan to "help" baseball while really only putting
money into Milwaukee (incidentally, his daughter's pockets).

Now, what was the score of that Grinnell game?

-E

not even bobbi olson can save this overrated bunch, go
any team but those crooks from arizona led by the
backstabber lute olson.
--- Gary Verigin <verytrackwire@...> wrote:
> Paranoia
>
> Love them 'Cats!
>
> Gary
>
>
> David Yengoyan wrote:
>
> >  the ncaa is rigged anyhow, we all know arizona is
> > winning it all because they love lute olson.  How
> have
> > their not been any violations with arizona.  They
> > constantly recruit thugs and we are to believe
> that
> > they are not given any money.  Come on what are
> your
> > thoughts on the ncaa kissing up to olson.  He is a
> > crook.
> > --- "jzzznsixzzz <jzzznsixzzz@...>"
> > <jzzznsixzzz@...> wrote:
> > > hmmmm. That's an interesting thought. The real
> > > problem I have with
> > > this are the mid-majors. Some teams in the WAC
> (San
> > > Jose State, maybe
> > > Tulsa, SMU, etc.) are likely unable to remain in
> 1A
> > > without help. If
> > > this is the case, there will be half a confrence
> in
> > > 1A and half in
> > > 1AA. (CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW FOOTBALL IS GOING
> TO
> > > DEAL WITH THIS?)
> > > Granted, San Jose State may as well just drop
> > > football altogether,
> > > but if they are also dropped in basketball, I do
> not
> > > believe that
> > > they will drop basketball. But, if they must
> make a
> > > 1AA for
> > > basketball, go ahead.  While they're at it, they
> may
> > > as well make a
> > > 1AAA division as well.  And force the 1A teams
> to
> > > share the TV
> > > revenue too.
> > >
> > > --- In collegerpi@yahoogroups.com, "kandicoc
> > > <kandicoc@y...>"
> > > <kandicoc@y...> wrote:
> > > > There are new rules for membership in NCAA
> D-IA
> > > college football.
> > > > You have to have a certain attendance and play
> a
> > > certain number of
> > > > home games.  The idea is to separate the
> > > "pretenders" from the real
> > > > football powers.
> > > >
> > > > My alma mater, Lipscomb University, joined
> NCAA
> > > D-I three years
> > > ago.
> > > > So far, we have been cannon fodder for some
> pretty
> > > big names
> > > (Kansas
> > > > State and Nebraska to name two this year).
> > > However, with our new
> > > > membership in the Atlantic Sun conference next
> > > year, I don't see
> > > much
> > > > hope of us ever really being D-I competitive.
> > > >
> > > > I know, I know.  College of Charleston.  But
> they
> > > made the move 15
> > > > years ago, are sporadic at best in their
> national
> > > prominence, and
> > > > compared with Belomnt, Morris Brown, and their
> > > counsins, are more
> > > of
> > > > an anomaly than a standard.
> > > >
> > > > There are complaints among mid-major teams
> that
> > > SEC, Big XII, and
> > > > other power conference schools are padding
> their
> > > schedule (and
> > > > inflating their RPI) with the likes of
> Lipscomb,
> > > Birmingham
> > > Southern,
> > > > et al.  With Division I now sitting around 327
> > > members, might it be
> > > > time for the basketball powers to tell these
> > > "small majors" what
> > > > their football counterparts are being told --
> put
> > > up or shut up?
> > > > Either demonstrate you can put a D-I product
> on
> > > the floor or go to
> > > D-
> > > > II (or a new I-AA division) where you belong.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > > -Ben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Love them 'Cats!

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David Yengoyan wrote:

>  the ncaa is rigged anyhow, we all know arizona is
> winning it all because they love lute olson.  How have
> their not been any violations with arizona.  They
> constantly recruit thugs and we are to believe that
> they are not given any money.  Come on what are your
> thoughts on the ncaa kissing up to olson.  He is a
> crook.
> --- "jzzznsixzzz <jzzznsixzzz@...>"
> <jzzznsixzzz@...> wrote:
> > hmmmm. That's an interesting thought. The real
> > problem I have with
> > this are the mid-majors. Some teams in the WAC (San
> > Jose State, maybe
> > Tulsa, SMU, etc.) are likely unable to remain in 1A
> > without help. If
> > this is the case, there will be half a confrence in
> > 1A and half in
> > 1AA. (CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW FOOTBALL IS GOING TO
> > DEAL WITH THIS?)
> > Granted, San Jose State may as well just drop
> > football altogether,
> > but if they are also dropped in basketball, I do not
> > believe that
> > they will drop basketball. But, if they must make a
> > 1AA for
> > basketball, go ahead.  While they're at it, they may
> > as well make a
> > 1AAA division as well.  And force the 1A teams to
> > share the TV
> > revenue too.
> >
> > --- In collegerpi@yahoogroups.com, "kandicoc
> > <kandicoc@y...>"
> > <kandicoc@y...> wrote:
> > > There are new rules for membership in NCAA D-IA
> > college football.
> > > You have to have a certain attendance and play a
> > certain number of
> > > home games.  The idea is to separate the
> > "pretenders" from the real
> > > football powers.
> > >
> > > My alma mater, Lipscomb University, joined NCAA
> > D-I three years
> > ago.
> > > So far, we have been cannon fodder for some pretty
> > big names
> > (Kansas
> > > State and Nebraska to name two this year).
> > However, with our new
> > > membership in the Atlantic Sun conference next
> > year, I don't see
> > much
> > > hope of us ever really being D-I competitive.
> > >
> > > I know, I know.  College of Charleston.  But they
> > made the move 15
> > > years ago, are sporadic at best in their national
> > prominence, and
> > > compared with Belomnt, Morris Brown, and their
> > counsins, are more
> > of
> > > an anomaly than a standard.
> > >
> > > There are complaints among mid-major teams that
> > SEC, Big XII, and
> > > other power conference schools are padding their
> > schedule (and
> > > inflating their RPI) with the likes of Lipscomb,
> > Birmingham
> > Southern,
> > > et al.  With Division I now sitting around 327
> > members, might it be
> > > time for the basketball powers to tell these
> > "small majors" what
> > > their football counterparts are being told -- put
> > up or shut up?
> > > Either demonstrate you can put a D-I product on
> > the floor or go to
> > D-
> > > II (or a new I-AA division) where you belong.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > > -Ben
> >
> >
> >
>
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This week's edition of Palm on Sports will probably not have any
guests.  That means that the phones will be open for the entire hour.
So, if you have any burning questions on the RPI, the selection
process, the BCS, college football or college basketball in general,
this is the night to get them in.

The number to call in to the show is 1-877-913-9739, and it airs
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if distad says take the over, do exactly the opposite,
his bball knowledge is limited
--- "Eric A. Distad <edistad@...>"
<edistad@...> wrote:
> If the Over/Under were 230 points, I'd take the
> over.
>
> On the other hand, it would be awfully silly to bet
> on D-3
> basketball.  ;-)
>
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If the Over/Under were 230 points, I'd take the over.

On the other hand, it would be awfully silly to bet on D-3
basketball.  ;-)

--Distad

Next week two Div III teams, will meet, Grinnell College and
Ripon,that both  play Div I schools in the silly season are set to
play each other. Grinnell is averaging over a 125 pts a game and
Ripon can also score.
Want to  venture a guess how many pts will be scored? Its like a poll
but not as reverent as the polls in group. How about 230.

GO BEARS
--- "Eric A. Distad <edistad@...>"
<edistad@...> wrote:
> 1) It's not that I don't think that Gonzaga has put
> together a nice
> program.  I think that they have put together a very
> good program.
> But this year is not like the past 3.  They have
> lost to Indiana,
> Kentucky, Georgia, Stanfurd and St. Joe's, and I
> wouldn't call any of
> them particularly bad losses.  St. Joe's has been
> decent the past
> couple of years, and, well, I'll get to Stanfurd in
> a minute.  My
> only problem with them, is that there only really
> quality win is over
> Utah.  They won at NCSU, and I'll give them a little
> credit for
> that.  Otherwise, they've lost all of their
> challenges and won
> against the second-tier teams.  I believe Lunardi
> calls such
> teams "Paper tigers."
>
> 2) Stanfurd ALMOST lost tonight.  But, they didn't
> win.  Oregon State
> lost that one.  If OSU remembered how to hit free
> throws, that game's
> over, and Stanfurd would have been 0-2 in Pac-10
> play before the
> Arizonas and Oregon.  That would have hurt quite a
> bit.  I will agree
> that they had a rather courageous non-conference
> schedule, but losing
> back-to-back games against Montana and Richmond
> really hurt.  They
> lost Teo Johnson to the NFL, and a couple players to
> injury, let
> alone Borchardt and Jacobsen to the NBA.  I think
> they'll make the
> dance, but they'll be worried on Selection Sunday.
>
> 3) Like ESPN says on their Men's College Basketball
> home page, Cal's
> starting to make some noise on the west coast.  They
> dominated Oregon
> all over the court today.  They shot well, the
> rebounded well, and
> they forced far more turnovers than Oregon normally
> commits.  Oregon
> normally scores over 90 points per game, and today
> they scored 72, a
> good number of which came very late in the game as
> garbage points
> when Cal was trying to close out the clock.  Cal
> plays at Arizona on
> February 1st, and that will be a very interesting
> game to see how far
> these Bears have come and even moreso towards how
> far they can go.
>
> Unfortunately, I'm on the west coast and have been a
> life-long Pac-10
> fan, so my knowledge of the other conferences tends
> to be a little
> thin.  I think the ACC should play out very
> interestingly, and the
> SEC will be very, VERY interesting come late
> February.  The team that
> really is catching my eye right now is the streaking
> Wolverines,
> though.  I plan to see them after their OSU, PSU and
> Northwestern
> run, and if they're still tearing things up, we have
> a team that
> might start turning heads nationally pretty soon,
> too.
>
> Finally, any thoughts of another Bracket experiment
> this year,
> Jerry?  :-)  I'm willing to take Ceci's Pac-10 place
> when it's all
> said and done...  Just kicking it around.
>
> Welcome to Conference Play, ladies and gentleman.
> This is when the
> season really starts.
>
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1) It's not that I don't think that Gonzaga has put together a nice
program.  I think that they have put together a very good program.
But this year is not like the past 3.  They have lost to Indiana,
Kentucky, Georgia, Stanfurd and St. Joe's, and I wouldn't call any of
them particularly bad losses.  St. Joe's has been decent the past
couple of years, and, well, I'll get to Stanfurd in a minute.  My
only problem with them, is that there only really quality win is over
Utah.  They won at NCSU, and I'll give them a little credit for
that.  Otherwise, they've lost all of their challenges and won
against the second-tier teams.  I believe Lunardi calls such
teams "Paper tigers."

2) Stanfurd ALMOST lost tonight.  But, they didn't win.  Oregon State
lost that one.  If OSU remembered how to hit free throws, that game's
over, and Stanfurd would have been 0-2 in Pac-10 play before the
Arizonas and Oregon.  That would have hurt quite a bit.  I will agree
that they had a rather courageous non-conference schedule, but losing
back-to-back games against Montana and Richmond really hurt.  They
lost Teo Johnson to the NFL, and a couple players to injury, let
alone Borchardt and Jacobsen to the NBA.  I think they'll make the
dance, but they'll be worried on Selection Sunday.

3) Like ESPN says on their Men's College Basketball home page, Cal's
starting to make some noise on the west coast.  They dominated Oregon
all over the court today.  They shot well, the rebounded well, and
they forced far more turnovers than Oregon normally commits.  Oregon
normally scores over 90 points per game, and today they scored 72, a
good number of which came very late in the game as garbage points
when Cal was trying to close out the clock.  Cal plays at Arizona on
February 1st, and that will be a very interesting game to see how far
these Bears have come and even moreso towards how far they can go.

Unfortunately, I'm on the west coast and have been a life-long Pac-10
fan, so my knowledge of the other conferences tends to be a little
thin.  I think the ACC should play out very interestingly, and the
SEC will be very, VERY interesting come late February.  The team that
really is catching my eye right now is the streaking Wolverines,
though.  I plan to see them after their OSU, PSU and Northwestern
run, and if they're still tearing things up, we have a team that
might start turning heads nationally pretty soon, too.

Finally, any thoughts of another Bracket experiment this year,
Jerry?  :-)  I'm willing to take Ceci's Pac-10 place when it's all
said and done...  Just kicking it around.

Welcome to Conference Play, ladies and gentleman.  This is when the
season really starts.

--Distad

Sorry, usually more detailed than that.

It's my internet radio show, and you can listen live starting at 9 PM
CT by going to the website and clicking on the "Palm on Sports" link.

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Tonight's edition of Palm on Sports will be live for the first time in
a few weeks.  I will have a football wrapup and a little basketball
too.  Tonight's guest is Dennis Dodd of CBS Sportsline.

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college football or basketball, you can call in to the show at
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the Zags have been dissed before, let's give them a bit of a break.
Consistently, they have a quality program.  (I didn't say stellar,
just quality.)  Georgia, I agree, does need some respect right about
now.  And I agree, Stanford needs to drop a bit.

yet let's remember, it is still early.  And his rantings are
basically just that.  I read Lunardi for entertainment purposes.

I know it's a meaningless bracket, but I couldn't help but be
dismayed a bit by Lunardi's first edition of Bracketology 2003.
There are a few things that scare me: 1) I'm not sure Gonzaga
deserves even its 11 seed; 2) How is Stanfurd still getting votes,
let alone a 7-seed; 3) Is anyone going to start respecting Georgia?

Just a few minor questions to throw around.

--Distad

I will be out of the office starting  12/23/2002 and will not return until
12/30/2002.

One of the hazards of being on vacation is that I see almost no
basketball when I'm gone.  This week, I missed an old favorite, the
Indiana basketball coach going completely ballistic with the officials.
  The biggest differences were that it was not Bobby Knight, but Mike
Davis, and that Davis apologized all over himself afterward.  I never
saw the highlight, but if anyone has it in a file or knows of a link to
it online, I'd appreciate seeing it.

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Well the officiating in general was pretty bad both ways.  Both teams were
hammering each other some possession, while others one player would touch
another and get called for the foul.  But the free throw shooting had to be
expecting, especially since Grinnell intentionally fouls if a "shift" has been
on the floor too long.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: David Jarvis
   To: collegerpi@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:57 AM
   Subject: RE: [collegerpi] Grinnell BB


   Nah,

   I'm talking about Mals, Nick Malinowski.

   David

   >===== Original Message From collegerpi@yahoogroups.com =====
   >If you're talking about Cole Robertson, he dove after his own miss trying to
   get an offensive rebound, he wasn't pushed down.  The play happened right in
   front of me from my seat at the scorers table...
   >
   >J.D.
   >  ----- Original Message -----
   >  From: David Jarvis
   >  To: collegerpi@yahoogroups.com
   >  Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:52 AM
   >  Subject: RE: [collegerpi] Grinnell BB
   >
   >
   >  Being at the game, we were victimized by some horrid officiating.  Let me
   give
   >  you an example.  One of our players went down with an injury after being
   run
   >  over, no foul, but we kept getting called for this ticky tak fouls.
   >
   >  David
   >
   >  >===== Original Message From collegerpi@yahoogroups.com =====
   >  >Doesn't help either that Grinell had 35 fouls which lead to 41 of 50 FTs.
   >  Either way a
   >  >
   >  >Grinnell5654110Drake7389162
   >  >
   >  >
   >  >
   >  >--- "skywaker9 <jarvisd@...>" <jarvisd@...> wrote:
   >  >> Given Grinnell's recent publicity rush, I thought I'd post this:
   >  >>
   >  >> I am a current student at Grinnell.  Let me explain the system to
   >  >> you.  On
   >  >> offense, Grinnell takes a shot, either a 3 or a layup, within 10
   >  >> seconds.  We
   >  >> try to get 1/3 of our misses as offensive rebounds.  We then press
   >  >> and if our
   >  >> opponents break the press, they get an easy layup.  We also
   >  >> substitute in our
   >  >> entire lineup every minute or so.  This results in a largely
   >  >> increased number
   >  >> of posessions in the game, making it possible to score that many
   >  >> points.  This
   >  >> also works because we are in a relatively weak conference, a
   >  >> conference that
   >  >> has never advanced beyond the 2nd round of the NCAA D3 basketball
   >  >> tournament.
   >  >> As to tonight's game, I was there, and although we lost badly, I
   >  >> wasn't
   >  >> disappointed.  Do you want to know why?  This is becasue all of
   >  >> Drake's team
   >  >> is on scholarships and Grinnell, as a D3 school, does not offer
   >  >> atheltic
   >  >> scholarships to any athletes.  All this game proves is that D1
   >  >> athletics is
   >  >> much, much better than D3.  In addition, Grinnell prides itself on its
   >  >> academics, not its athletics, being ranked in the top 15 of National
   >  >> Liberal
   >  >> Arts colleges.  It is also the week before finals, which at Grinnell
   >  >> is
   >  >> referred to as hell week, and athletes get no break on anything.
   >  >>
   >  >>
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Nah,

I'm talking about Mals, Nick Malinowski.

David

>===== Original Message From collegerpi@yahoogroups.com =====
>If you're talking about Cole Robertson, he dove after his own miss trying to
get an offensive rebound, he wasn't pushed down.  The play happened right in
front of me from my seat at the scorers table...
>
>J.D.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: David Jarvis
>  To: collegerpi@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:52 AM
>  Subject: RE: [collegerpi] Grinnell BB
>
>
>  Being at the game, we were victimized by some horrid officiating.  Let me
give
>  you an example.  One of our players went down with an injury after being
run
>  over, no foul, but we kept getting called for this ticky tak fouls.
>
>  David
>
>  >===== Original Message From collegerpi@yahoogroups.com =====
>  >Doesn't help either that Grinell had 35 fouls which lead to 41 of 50 FTs.
>  Either way a
>  >
>  >Grinnell5654110Drake7389162
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >--- "skywaker9 <jarvisd@...>" <jarvisd@...> wrote:
>  >> Given Grinnell's recent publicity rush, I thought I'd post this:
>  >>
>  >> I am a current student at Grinnell.  Let me explain the system to
>  >> you.  On
>  >> offense, Grinnell takes a shot, either a 3 or a layup, within 10
>  >> seconds.  We
>  >> try to get 1/3 of our misses as offensive rebounds.  We then press
>  >> and if our
>  >> opponents break the press, they get an easy layup.  We also
>  >> substitute in our
>  >> entire lineup every minute or so.  This results in a largely
>  >> increased number
>  >> of posessions in the game, making it possible to score that many
>  >> points.  This
>  >> also works because we are in a relatively weak conference, a
>  >> conference that
>  >> has never advanced beyond the 2nd round of the NCAA D3 basketball
>  >> tournament.
>  >> As to tonight's game, I was there, and although we lost badly, I
>  >> wasn't
>  >> disappointed.  Do you want to know why?  This is becasue all of
>  >> Drake's team
>  >> is on scholarships and Grinnell, as a D3 school, does not offer
>  >> atheltic
>  >> scholarships to any athletes.  All this game proves is that D1
>  >> athletics is
>  >> much, much better than D3.  In addition, Grinnell prides itself on its
>  >> academics, not its athletics, being ranked in the top 15 of National
>  >> Liberal
>  >> Arts colleges.  It is also the week before finals, which at Grinnell
>  >> is
>  >> referred to as hell week, and athletes get no break on anything.
>  >>
>  >>
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If you're talking about Cole Robertson, he dove after his own miss trying to get
an offensive rebound, he wasn't pushed down.  The play happened right in front
of me from my seat at the scorers table...

J.D.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: David Jarvis
   To: collegerpi@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:52 AM
   Subject: RE: [collegerpi] Grinnell BB


   Being at the game, we were victimized by some horrid officiating.  Let me give
   you an example.  One of our players went down with an injury after being run
   over, no foul, but we kept getting called for this ticky tak fouls.

   David

   >===== Original Message From collegerpi@yahoogroups.com =====
   >Doesn't help either that Grinell had 35 fouls which lead to 41 of 50 FTs.
   Either way a
   >
   >Grinnell5654110Drake7389162
   >
   >
   >
   >--- "skywaker9 <jarvisd@...>" <jarvisd@...> wrote:
   >> Given Grinnell's recent publicity rush, I thought I'd post this:
   >>
   >> I am a current student at Grinnell.  Let me explain the system to
   >> you.  On
   >> offense, Grinnell takes a shot, either a 3 or a layup, within 10
   >> seconds.  We
   >> try to get 1/3 of our misses as offensive rebounds.  We then press
   >> and if our
   >> opponents break the press, they get an easy layup.  We also
   >> substitute in our
   >> entire lineup every minute or so.  This results in a largely
   >> increased number
   >> of posessions in the game, making it possible to score that many
   >> points.  This
   >> also works because we are in a relatively weak conference, a
   >> conference that
   >> has never advanced beyond the 2nd round of the NCAA D3 basketball
   >> tournament.
   >> As to tonight's game, I was there, and although we lost badly, I
   >> wasn't
   >> disappointed.  Do you want to know why?  This is becasue all of
   >> Drake's team
   >> is on scholarships and Grinnell, as a D3 school, does not offer
   >> atheltic
   >> scholarships to any athletes.  All this game proves is that D1
   >> athletics is
   >> much, much better than D3.  In addition, Grinnell prides itself on its
   >> academics, not its athletics, being ranked in the top 15 of National
   >> Liberal
   >> Arts colleges.  It is also the week before finals, which at Grinnell
   >> is
   >> referred to as hell week, and athletes get no break on anything.
   >>
   >>
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Being at the game, we were victimized by some horrid officiating.  Let me give
you an example.  One of our players went down with an injury after being run
over, no foul, but we kept getting called for this ticky tak fouls.

David

>===== Original Message From collegerpi@yahoogroups.com =====
>Doesn't help either that Grinell had 35 fouls which lead to 41 of 50 FTs.
Either way a
>
>Grinnell5654110Drake7389162
>
>
>
>--- "skywaker9 <jarvisd@...>" <jarvisd@...> wrote:
>> Given Grinnell's recent publicity rush, I thought I'd post this:
>>
>> I am a current student at Grinnell.  Let me explain the system to
>> you.  On
>> offense, Grinnell takes a shot, either a 3 or a layup, within 10
>> seconds.  We
>> try to get 1/3 of our misses as offensive rebounds.  We then press
>> and if our
>> opponents break the press, they get an easy layup.  We also
>> substitute in our
>> entire lineup every minute or so.  This results in a largely
>> increased number
>> of posessions in the game, making it possible to score that many
>> points.  This
>> also works because we are in a relatively weak conference, a
>> conference that
>> has never advanced beyond the 2nd round of the NCAA D3 basketball
>> tournament.
>> As to tonight's game, I was there, and although we lost badly, I
>> wasn't
>> disappointed.  Do you want to know why?  This is becasue all of
>> Drake's team
>> is on scholarships and Grinnell, as a D3 school, does not offer
>> atheltic
>> scholarships to any athletes.  All this game proves is that D1
>> athletics is
>> much, much better than D3.  In addition, Grinnell prides itself on its
>> academics, not its athletics, being ranked in the top 15 of National
>> Liberal
>> Arts colleges.  It is also the week before finals, which at Grinnell
>> is
>> referred to as hell week, and athletes get no break on anything.
>>
>>
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Doesn't help either that Grinell had 35 fouls which lead to 41 of 50 FTs. 
Either way a

Grinnell5654110Drake7389162



--- "skywaker9 <jarvisd@...>" <jarvisd@...> wrote:
> Given Grinnell's recent publicity rush, I thought I'd post this:
>
> I am a current student at Grinnell.  Let me explain the system to
> you.  On
> offense, Grinnell takes a shot, either a 3 or a layup, within 10
> seconds.  We
> try to get 1/3 of our misses as offensive rebounds.  We then press
> and if our
> opponents break the press, they get an easy layup.  We also
> substitute in our
> entire lineup every minute or so.  This results in a largely
> increased number
> of posessions in the game, making it possible to score that many
> points.  This
> also works because we are in a relatively weak conference, a
> conference that
> has never advanced beyond the 2nd round of the NCAA D3 basketball
> tournament.
> As to tonight's game, I was there, and although we lost badly, I
> wasn't
> disappointed.  Do you want to know why?  This is becasue all of
> Drake's team
> is on scholarships and Grinnell, as a D3 school, does not offer
> atheltic
> scholarships to any athletes.  All this game proves is that D1
> athletics is
> much, much better than D3.  In addition, Grinnell prides itself on its
> academics, not its athletics, being ranked in the top 15 of National
> Liberal
> Arts colleges.  It is also the week before finals, which at Grinnell
> is
> referred to as hell week, and athletes get no break on anything.
>
>


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Doesn't help either that Grinell had 35 fouls which lead to 41 of 50 FTs. 
Either way a box score
like this is impressive.

Grinnell 56 54 110
Drake    73 89 162



--- "skywaker9 <jarvisd@...>" <jarvisd@...> wrote:
> Given Grinnell's recent publicity rush, I thought I'd post this:
>
> I am a current student at Grinnell.  Let me explain the system to
> you.  On
> offense, Grinnell takes a shot, either a 3 or a layup, within 10
> seconds.  We
> try to get 1/3 of our misses as offensive rebounds.  We then press
> and if our
> opponents break the press, they get an easy layup.  We also
> substitute in our
> entire lineup every minute or so.  This results in a largely
> increased number
> of posessions in the game, making it possible to score that many
> points.  This
> also works because we are in a relatively weak conference, a
> conference that
> has never advanced beyond the 2nd round of the NCAA D3 basketball
> tournament.
> As to tonight's game, I was there, and although we lost badly, I
> wasn't
> disappointed.  Do you want to know why?  This is becasue all of
> Drake's team
> is on scholarships and Grinnell, as a D3 school, does not offer
> atheltic
> scholarships to any athletes.  All this game proves is that D1
> athletics is
> much, much better than D3.  In addition, Grinnell prides itself on its
> academics, not its athletics, being ranked in the top 15 of National
> Liberal
> Arts colleges.  It is also the week before finals, which at Grinnell
> is
> referred to as hell week, and athletes get no break on anything.
>
>


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Given Grinnell's recent publicity rush, I thought I'd post this:

I am a current student at Grinnell.  Let me explain the system to
you.  On
offense, Grinnell takes a shot, either a 3 or a layup, within 10
seconds.  We
try to get 1/3 of our misses as offensive rebounds.  We then press
and if our
opponents break the press, they get an easy layup.  We also
substitute in our
entire lineup every minute or so.  This results in a largely
increased number
of posessions in the game, making it possible to score that many
points.  This
also works because we are in a relatively weak conference, a
conference that
has never advanced beyond the 2nd round of the NCAA D3 basketball
tournament.
As to tonight's game, I was there, and although we lost badly, I
wasn't
disappointed.  Do you want to know why?  This is becasue all of
Drake's team
is on scholarships and Grinnell, as a D3 school, does not offer
atheltic
scholarships to any athletes.  All this game proves is that D1
athletics is
much, much better than D3.  In addition, Grinnell prides itself on its
academics, not its athletics, being ranked in the top 15 of National
Liberal
Arts colleges.  It is also the week before finals, which at Grinnell
is
referred to as hell week, and athletes get no break on anything.

Tonight's show airs live at 9 PM CT.  My guests will be Andrew Bagnato
of the Chicago Tribune and Steve Deace of KXNO in Des Moines.  The
primary topic of conversation with be the impact of Iowa's appearance
in the Oragne Bowl and not the Rose from both the bowls' and the fans'
perspectives.

You can listen in by going to http://www.collegerpi.com/pos.html and
clicking on the link.


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A-10 is awfully weak this year in my opinion.  It's Xavier, big gap, rest
of the conference.

Dayton, Richmond, and St. Joes could do some damage, but the only at large
POSSIBLY from this group is Xavier, which assumes they lose the conf
tourney.


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> I have a question for the people who voted for Conference Usa.  Is it
> me, or has conference USA been the most overrated conference the past
> four or five years years?  I picked conference USA to do well last  few
> years in the tourney and they let me down Big time.  I believe  that
> Cincinnati is the only team that really has a chance every year  in the
> NCAA tourney.  I really believe that this conference should go  down in
> power rankings, especially below the A-10 and possibly should  they only
> have two teams going every year?
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>
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> "guaranteed" is Iowa's spot in the BCS.
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Tonight's version of Palm on Sports may prove to be very interesting.

We'll be talking about the Big Ten bowl situation with David Jones, of
the Harrisburg Patriot-News.  Among the things we'll discuss is just
how "guaranteed" is Iowa's spot in the BCS.

If you have bowl and/or BCS questions, call in to the show at
1-877-913-9739.

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I have a question for the people who voted for Conference Usa.  Is it
me, or has conference USA been the most overrated conference the past
four or five years years?  I picked conference USA to do well last
few years in the tourney and they let me down Big time.  I believe
that Cincinnati is the only team that really has a chance every year
in the NCAA tourney.  I really believe that this conference should go
down in power rankings, especially below the A-10 and possibly should
they only have two teams going every year?

Oregon State opened up as a 9 1/2 point favorite.  The early money
rolled in on Oregon State making them now a 10 1/2 favorite.  Good luck
tonight with your gang.

Prime Time



geolytle45 wrote:

>  HI all where are the Numbers im tyring to find out how CalPoly slo is
>
> rated against oregone state for tonites matchup:)
> well i guess there going to get spanked!
> so thats where im placing my reasoning any opinons?
> George
>
> --- In collegerpi@y..., Ceci Flinn <ceci@s...> wrote:
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> Challenge that
> > went 100% in the first round!, LOL...] ...  my team is undefeated
> (woo
> > hoooo 1-0!!!)... and I'm ready to read.
> >
> > Where's the TU crowd?!  Mid-major fans?! Big-10?!  PAC-10?! Big
> East?! Anyone?!
> >
> > Very nice article on fundamentals in SI this week (though I fear
> [hope?!]
> > that UofA will now suffer the SI curse).
> >
> > Bring on MARCH! ;o)
> > ccf
> >
> > p.s.  I'll be subscribing Jerry - hopefully most of the list will
> > too.  Good luck with it!
> >
> > At 11:58 PM 8/19/02 +0000, you wrote:
> >
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> > >economic realities of life have forced me to change my hobby into a
>
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HI all where are the Numbers im tyring to find out how CalPoly slo is
rated against oregone state for tonites matchup:)
well i guess there going to get spanked!
so thats where im placing my reasoning any opinons?
George

--- In collegerpi@y..., Ceci Flinn <ceci@s...> wrote:
> Hey Hoops Fans!   [My favorite time of year is HERE!]
>
> The season is really & truly underway... Preseason NIT in motion...
[I am
> proud to say I was among the 17,000 entries in the ESPN NIT
Challenge that
> went 100% in the first round!, LOL...] ...  my team is undefeated
(woo
> hoooo 1-0!!!)... and I'm ready to read.
>
> Where's the TU crowd?!  Mid-major fans?! Big-10?!  PAC-10?! Big
East?! Anyone?!
>
> Very nice article on fundamentals in SI this week (though I fear
[hope?!]
> that UofA will now suffer the SI curse).
>
> Bring on MARCH! ;o)
> ccf
>
> p.s.  I'll be subscribing Jerry - hopefully most of the list will
> too.  Good luck with it!
>
> At 11:58 PM 8/19/02 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >This has been a year of significant change for me.  In short, the
> >economic realities of life have forced me to change my hobby into a
> >full-time job.  The good news is that I now have more time to do
the
> >things I have always wanted to do with the site.  The bad news is
that
> >much of the site will now be available by subscription only.  The
full
> >details are on the site.
> >
> >I have always appreciated your support of my sites and hope you
will
> >continue to do so.  If you can't, I understand that too.
> >

Why do we all care, u of a is the clear cut champ and
when is ucla going to fire steve lavin?
--- sbrock@... wrote:
> I will be out of the office starting  11/28/2002 and
> will not return until
> 12/02/2002.
>
>
>
>


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