Story by Patrick McNamara
Lansing State Journal
November 24, 2009

Police and university officials were tight-lipped Monday about what witnesses
have described as a multiple-person assault that happened at about 9:30 p.m.
Sunday in the Rather Hall lounge.

Witnesses and students involved in the incident said a group of 15 to 20 men,
who some described as MSU football players, stormed into the dormitory and hit
and injured about seven students, some of them women.

Brent Mitchell, a communication junior who said he was sent to Lansing’s
Sparrow Hospital after being punched in the face, said some of the men wore ski
masks, but others were recognized as football team members.

http://tinyurl.com/ycn2n4r

In a game I'll admit I didn't see (I was at a Blazers NBA game and listening on
the radio), Masoli put himself in rare company in Oregon, accounting for ALL SIX
of Oregon TDs (3 run, 3 pass) in an epic win over Arizona.  As a Ducks fan, I
don't think even with all the comebacks we've had over the years, any one is at
all close.

FYI, Oregon and Oregon State have NEVER played a Civil War for the Pac-10 title
(with both teams being able to win it).  Not in any of the previous 112 meetings
of the seventh oldest rivalry in NCAA history.

David

To be fair, especially after Boise State, I wouldn't have had Oregon in my
top 50 even as a fan.   This is as surprising to me as the last Rose Bowl
season was in 1994.

David

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Jerry Palm <jppalm@...> wrote:

>
>
> Also had Oregon not in his top 50. Can't get them all right.
>
>
> From: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com <collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> collegebcs@yahoogroups.com <collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Joe Dimino
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:15 PM
> To: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com <collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [collegebcs] Phil Steele
>
>
> I know that Steele is generally pretty solid, but he picked Illinois as #19
> preseason.
>
> I told all of my friends around here they'd be good this year, based mostly
> off of that prediction
>
> Was that the worst coaching job in I-A this year? They are just a terrible,
> terrible team.
>
> --Joe
>
> From: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com <collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com <collegebcs%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> [mailto:collegebcs@yahoogroups.com <collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com <collegebcs%2540yahoogroups.com>> ]
>
> On
> Behalf Of David Jarvis
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:17 PM
> To: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com <collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com <collegebcs%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: [collegebcs] Phil Steele
>
> He also picked against Oregon. Which is fine for Duck fans because every
> single time he's picked against Oregon, we won. He has been about the
> biggest Oregon doubter all year honestly.
>
> David
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Trader Kevin
<cbot_kevin@...<cbot_kevin%40yahoo.com>
> <mailto:cbot_kevin%40yahoo.com <cbot_kevin%2540yahoo.com>>
> <mailto:cbot_kevin%40yahoo.com <cbot_kevin%2540yahoo.com>> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I caught Phil Steele on ESPN Radio this morning. Here are my notes...
> >
> > --Steele likes Michigan +12 and an outright upset would not surprise him.
> > (Won't happen if Forcier's ball security doesn't improve. Apparently his
> > tiny hands aren't good for holding a cold football. As for Ohio State's
> > throwback uniforms, hard for me to believe a Woody Hayes team ever wore
> > white shoes.)
> >
> > --Expect Notre Dame to win a shootout against UConn.
> >
> > --Upset alert on The Big Game. Steele likes Cal (+7) to win outright at
> > Stanford Stadium.
> >
> > Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Also had Oregon not in his top 50.  Can't get them all right.



From: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:collegebcs@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Dimino
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:15 PM
To: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [collegebcs] Phil Steele





I know that Steele is generally pretty solid, but he picked Illinois as #19
preseason.

I told all of my friends around here they'd be good this year, based mostly
off of that prediction

Was that the worst coaching job in I-A this year? They are just a terrible,
terrible team.

--Joe

From: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:collegebcs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
Behalf Of David Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:17 PM
To: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:collegebcs%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [collegebcs] Phil Steele

He also picked against Oregon. Which is fine for Duck fans because every
single time he's picked against Oregon, we won. He has been about the
biggest Oregon doubter all year honestly.

David

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...
<mailto:cbot_kevin%40yahoo.com>
<mailto:cbot_kevin%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

>
>
> I caught Phil Steele on ESPN Radio this morning. Here are my notes...
>
> --Steele likes Michigan +12 and an outright upset would not surprise him.
> (Won't happen if Forcier's ball security doesn't improve. Apparently his
> tiny hands aren't good for holding a cold football. As for Ohio State's
> throwback uniforms, hard for me to believe a Woody Hayes team ever wore
> white shoes.)
>
> --Expect Notre Dame to win a shootout against UConn.
>
> --Upset alert on The Big Game. Steele likes Cal (+7) to win outright at
> Stanford Stadium.
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I know that Steele is generally pretty solid, but he picked Illinois as #19
preseason.



I told all of my friends around here they'd be good this year, based mostly
off of that prediction



Was that the worst coaching job in I-A this year? They are just a terrible,
terrible team.



--Joe



From: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:collegebcs@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of David Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:17 PM
To: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [collegebcs] Phil Steele





He also picked against Oregon. Which is fine for Duck fans because every
single time he's picked against Oregon, we won. He has been about the
biggest Oregon doubter all year honestly.

David

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...
<mailto:cbot_kevin%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

>
>
> I caught Phil Steele on ESPN Radio this morning. Here are my notes...
>
> --Steele likes Michigan +12 and an outright upset would not surprise him.
> (Won't happen if Forcier's ball security doesn't improve. Apparently his
> tiny hands aren't good for holding a cold football. As for Ohio State's
> throwback uniforms, hard for me to believe a Woody Hayes team ever wore
> white shoes.)
>
> --Expect Notre Dame to win a shootout against UConn.
>
> --Upset alert on The Big Game. Steele likes Cal (+7) to win outright at
> Stanford Stadium.
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--First back-to-back losing seasons since 1962-63

--Last place in the Big Ten for the first time since 1962

--First consecutive bowl-less seasons since 1972-74 (They went 30-2-1 in that
span!)

--Last Big Ten Championship: 2004

--Six straight losses to Ohio State

--RichRod is 0-6 against Michigan State, Ohio State, and Penn State

Holly Rowe quote AD Bill Martin as saying they have just 70 scholarship players.
They'll be able to sign two or three consecutive classes of 25.

RichRod will be successful if they're patient. Not sure the next AD will be
patient if RichRod doesn't get to a bowl next season.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

>> Steele likes Michigan +12 <<

Nice call. Not many dogs cover when they are minus four in turnovers.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

He also picked against Oregon.  Which is fine for Duck fans because every
single time he's picked against Oregon, we won.  He has been about the
biggest Oregon doubter all year honestly.

David

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...> wrote:

>
>
> I caught Phil Steele on ESPN Radio this morning. Here are my notes...
>
> --Steele likes Michigan +12 and an outright upset would not surprise him.
> (Won't happen if Forcier's ball security doesn't improve. Apparently his
> tiny hands aren't good for holding a cold football. As for Ohio State's
> throwback uniforms, hard for me to believe a Woody Hayes team ever wore
> white shoes.)
>
> --Expect Notre Dame to win a shootout against UConn.
>
> --Upset alert on The Big Game. Steele likes Cal (+7) to win outright at
> Stanford Stadium.
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I caught Phil Steele on ESPN Radio this morning. Here are my notes...

--Steele likes Michigan +12 and an outright upset would not surprise him. (Won't
happen if Forcier's ball security doesn't improve. Apparently his tiny hands
aren't good for holding a cold football. As for Ohio State's throwback uniforms,
hard for me to believe a Woody Hayes team ever wore white shoes.)

--Expect Notre Dame to win a shootout against UConn.

--Upset alert on The Big Game. Steele likes Cal (+7) to win outright at Stanford
Stadium.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

--- In collegebcs@yahoogroups.com, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...> wrote:
>
> Trader Kevin:
>
> >> It says here the best quarterback in college football is Jimmy Clausen. <<
>
> TaleaOne:
>
> >> LOL...I heard it's Colt McCoy...and I believe he's going to the BCS title
game (barring a major upset, that is). <<
>
> Colt McCoy? Good one! Let's see who gets drafted first. It will be Clausen, of
course, assuming he stays healthy.
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
>

Interesting question.  Who would draft better?
Tebow...the media darling who, if he were to get a hangnail, would be the main
story on ESPN. (let's not forget about his injury earlier this season, which
occured at the same time as Sam Bradford's and was covered more extensively than
Bradford's...or his inclusion with other FL players on a separate team plane due
to flu.)
How about Bradford?  Will the defending heisman winner be remembered, since his
injury forced him to leave the Oklahoma team?  Will he be seen as injury-prone
and a risk?  Same could be said for Tebow then.
Clausen?  A good QB who has helped bring the Irish back...somewhat.  Does he
have the stigma of the up and down Irish program hanging over him and reduce his
draft stock?
McCoy?  Will the high profile status of Texas actually hurt him?  How about the
fact that his predecessor, Vince Young, is a back up in TN?  However, that
shouldn't matter since Young's situation was more personal related than football
related.  I still believe McCoy has quietly put up the numbers to not only lead
TX to an undefeated season, but to the NC game and heisman as well.

Is this it, more or less, for draftable QBs this year?  Is it finally a QB lite
draft year this year?

Hawkeye proud, Fran

What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

There is a significant difference between the skill set required to be a
great college QB vs. a great pro QB.

The first QB drafted does not have to be the best college QB.

--Joe

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...> wrote:

>
>
> Trader Kevin:
>
>
> >> It says here the best quarterback in college football is Jimmy Clausen.
> <<
>
> TaleaOne:
>
>
> >> LOL...I heard it's Colt McCoy...and I believe he's going to the BCS
> title game (barring a major upset, that is). <<
>
> Colt McCoy? Good one! Let's see who gets drafted first. It will be Clausen,
> of course, assuming he stays healthy.
>
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
>
>
>



--
--Joe


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

His father  reported the rumors are garbage and tate is not going anywhere.....
rumors were just another example of fine reporting. End of story, next smear
please.

To: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com
From: cbot_kevin@...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:48:49 -0800
Subject: [collegebcs] Tate Forcier to uphold family tradition and transfer?




























       Story by David Biderman

The Wall Street Journal

November 18, 2009



Rumors swirled last week that University of Michigan freshman quarterback Tate
Forcier was considering transferring. Fans shouldn't be shocked.



Mr. Forcier transferred to a charter high school from a private school after his
freshman year, then played for a third school because the charter school didn't
have a team.



His older brother Jason played at two high schools and two colleges. Brother
Chris went to three high schools and transferred this year to Furman from UCLA.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574541713580453856.html



















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Trader Kevin:

>> It says here the best quarterback in college football is Jimmy Clausen. <<

TaleaOne:

>> LOL...I heard it's Colt McCoy...and I believe he's going to the BCS title
game (barring a major upset, that is). <<

Colt McCoy? Good one! Let's see who gets drafted first. It will be Clausen, of
course, assuming he stays healthy.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

Story by Brad Flory
Jackson (Mich.) Citizen Patriot
November 18, 2009

ANN ARBOR, Mich.--Former Michigan quarterback Ryan Mallett faced a bewildering
process at the start of the Rich Rodriguez coaching era.

Mallett knew he wanted to transfer out of Michigan, and fast. But he had no idea
how to do it.

"It was frustrating," said Mallett, starting quarterback of the 6-4 Arkansas
Razorbacks. "I managed to get out, and so did many others. But I wonder how many
guys cannot figure out how to transfer and end up staying four years. They
deserve better."

Now Michigan Athletic Director Bill Martin has announced a new program to "make
sure none of our student athletes fall through the cracks when they want to
transfer out. Even if it's Tate Forcier."

Martin said the university will assign "transfer tutors" to help each football
player balance academics, athletics, and transferring to a different school.

"It is our obligation as a university to provide the support these outstanding
young men need to get the hell away from here. Even the ones who go to Ohio
State," said Martin.

http://tinyurl.com/yadlxs3

Story by David Biderman
The Wall Street Journal
November 18, 2009

Rumors swirled last week that University of Michigan freshman quarterback Tate
Forcier was considering transferring. Fans shouldn't be shocked.

Mr. Forcier transferred to a charter high school from a private school after his
freshman year, then played for a third school because the charter school didn't
have a team.

His older brother Jason played at two high schools and two colleges. Brother
Chris went to three high schools and transferred this year to Furman from UCLA.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574541713580453856.html

In my opinion, I think the bowl matchup that most fans would want to see after
BCS #1 vs BCS #2 would be the SEC championship loser (assuming they are a 1 loss
team) vs one of the remaining undefeated teams (assuming there are any left)
 
I realize that the at-large selections are selected (or should I say "placed")
with an eye on the best matchups, ratings, etc. I think Alabama/Florida loser vs
TCU would be an awesome game. As frustrating as this process can be at times,
what would make it more frustrating would be if there's an undefeated Cinci
and/or an undefeated TCUand/or an undefeated Boise State and SEC #2 vs another
undefeated team did not occur.
 
__ rajy
 
I

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Marc Sulfridge <marcsulf@...> wrote:


From: Marc Sulfridge <marcsulf@...>
Subject: [collegebcs] Likely BCS matchups
To: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:11 PM


 




Here's how I see the BCS bowls this year, based on selection criteria, and bowl
picking order:

Autoselect/tie- ins:
NC #1 AL/FL
NC #2 TX
Rose OHSt
Rose OR/AZ/ORSt
Orange GT/Clem

Selections:
1. Sugar AL/FL (Replace #1, same conference, attractive)
2. Fiesta OKSt (Replace #2, same conference)
3. Orange PennSt/Iowa/ Wisky (Most attractive at large)
4. Fiesta TCU (Required to take)
5. Sugar Cinci/Pitt (Required to take)

Which gives:
NC = AL/FL vs TX
Rose = OHSt vs OR/AZ/ORSt
Sugar = AL/FL vs Cinci/Pitt
Orange = GT/Clem vs PennSt/Iowa/ Wisky
Fiesta = OKSt vs TCU

But if Oklahoma State loses to Oklahoma on the 28th (or COlorado this week...),
that would take them out of the at large pool, which would probably open the
door for Boise State to take the final at-large bid (assuming the Broncos take
care of business against Nevada), since there really wouldn't be anyone more
attractive available. Clearly, without OKSt, the Fiesta's going to take a Big
Ten team for their 1st pick. So the question is, who do the Orange, Fiesta, and
Sugar take out of TCU, BSU, and Cinci/Pitt? Here's how I see it:

Autoselect/tie- ins:
NC #1 AL/FL
NC #2 TX
Rose OHSt
Rose OR/AZ/ORSt
Orange GT/Clem

Selections:
1. Sugar AL/FL (Replace #1, same conference, attractive)
2. Fiesta PennSt/Iowa/ Wisky (Most attractive at large)
3. Orange Cinci/Pitt (Required to take)
4. Fiesta BSU (best of what's left)
5. Sugar TCU (Required to take)

Which gives:
NC = AL/FL vs TX
Rose = OHSt vs OR/AZ/ORSt
Sugar = AL/FL vs TCU
Orange = GT/Clem vs Cinci/Pitt
Fiesta = PennSt/Iowa/ Wisky vs BSU

So basically as a Bronco fan, it looks like I have the irony of pulling for the
Sooners on Thanksgiving weekend in Norman, or even the upset this week when
former Bronco Dan Hawkins takes on the Cowboys in Stillwater.
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
http://www.microsof t.com/Windows/ windows-7/ default.aspx? h=myidea?
ocid=PID24727: :T:WLMTAGL: ON:WL:en- US:WWL_WIN_ myidea:112009










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In collegebcs@yahoogroups.com, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...> wrote:
>
> chrisn:
>
> >> tim tebo is the best qb in fbs and florida is going to the bcs title game
<<
>
> Who is "tim tebo"? It says here the best quarterback in college football is
Jimmy Clausen.
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
>

LOL...I heard it's Colt McCoy...and I believe he's going to the BCS title game
(barring a major upset, that is).

Hawkeye Proud, Fran

chrisn:

>> tim tebo is the best qb in fbs and florida is going to the bcs title game <<

Who is "tim tebo"? It says here the best quarterback in college football is
Jimmy Clausen.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

tim tebo is the best qb in fbs and florida is going to the bcs title game

I hate you..... :) :) :)

JM

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Trader Kevin
   To: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 6:09 PM
   Subject: Re: [collegebcs] Why Stanford went for two up by 27



   John Martin:

   >> Wow - You make it sound so respectable. I just remember UCLA beating the
hell out of us for 8 years and watching Lou Holtz embarrass us in a big matchup
at the coliseum. I remember losing to TCU and Fresno State in bowl games and
Paul Hackett as head coach. I remember traveling to Florida State and just
hoping we'd make a game of it...we didn't. <<

   If it makes you feel better, it looks significantly worse if you change the
time frame a bit. Instead of 1984-1999, let's make it 1990-2001...

   79-62-4 (.559), 44th in the country
   3-8-1 against Notre Dame
   4-8 against UCLA (including the 8-game losing streak you mentioned)
   3-4 in bowl games
   Just one Rose Bowl
   Two Top 20 finishes
   No Top Ten finishes

   Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

John Martin:

>> Wow - You make it sound so respectable. I just remember UCLA beating the hell
out of us for 8 years and watching Lou Holtz embarrass us in a big matchup at
the coliseum. I remember losing to TCU and Fresno State in bowl games and Paul
Hackett as head coach. I remember traveling to Florida State and just hoping
we'd make a game of it...we didn't. <<

If it makes you feel better, it looks significantly worse if you change the time
frame a bit. Instead of 1984-1999, let's make it 1990-2001...

79-62-4 (.559), 44th in the country
3-8-1 against Notre Dame
4-8 against UCLA (including the 8-game losing streak you mentioned)
3-4 in bowl games
Just one Rose Bowl
Two Top 20 finishes
No Top Ten finishes

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

Here's how I see the BCS bowls this year, based on selection criteria, and bowl
picking order:

Autoselect/tie-ins:
NC #1 AL/FL
NC #2 TX
Rose OHSt
Rose OR/AZ/ORSt
Orange GT/Clem

Selections:
1. Sugar AL/FL (Replace #1, same conference, attractive)
2. Fiesta OKSt (Replace #2, same conference)
3. Orange PennSt/Iowa/Wisky (Most attractive at large)
4. Fiesta TCU (Required to take)
5. Sugar Cinci/Pitt (Required to take)

Which gives:
NC = AL/FL vs TX
Rose = OHSt vs OR/AZ/ORSt
Sugar = AL/FL vs Cinci/Pitt
Orange = GT/Clem vs PennSt/Iowa/Wisky
Fiesta = OKSt vs TCU


But if Oklahoma State loses to Oklahoma on the 28th (or COlorado this week...),
that would take them out of the at large pool, which would probably open the
door for Boise State to take the final at-large bid (assuming the Broncos take
care of business against Nevada), since there really wouldn't be anyone more
attractive available.  Clearly, without OKSt, the Fiesta's going to take a Big
Ten team for their 1st pick. So the question is, who do the Orange, Fiesta, and
Sugar take out of TCU, BSU, and Cinci/Pitt?  Here's how I see it:

Autoselect/tie-ins:
NC #1 AL/FL
NC #2 TX
Rose OHSt
Rose OR/AZ/ORSt
Orange GT/Clem

Selections:
1. Sugar AL/FL (Replace #1, same conference, attractive)
2. Fiesta PennSt/Iowa/Wisky (Most attractive at large)
3. Orange Cinci/Pitt (Required to take)
4. Fiesta BSU (best of what's left)
5. Sugar TCU (Required to take)

Which gives:
NC = AL/FL vs TX
Rose = OHSt vs OR/AZ/ORSt
Sugar = AL/FL vs TCU
Orange = GT/Clem vs Cinci/Pitt
Fiesta = PennSt/Iowa/Wisky vs BSU


So basically as a Bronco fan, it looks like I have the irony of pulling for the
Sooners on Thanksgiving weekend in Norman, or even the upset this week when
former Bronco Dan Hawkins takes on the Cowboys in Stillwater.
_________________________________________________________________
Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::\
T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009

These circumstances have caused an odd alliance of sorts in Oregon
between OSU and UO fans.  We both want my Ducks to beat Zona this
Saturday to set up the Civil War as the Pac-10 title game.

Btw, does anyone know if Grigsby will be back Saturday for Zona?  If
he's not, I don't think they have too much of a chance against the
Ducks.

David

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Marc Sulfridge <marcsulf@...> wrote:
>
> ...Of course, it requires Washington State to get a win this weekend against
the Beavers.  I didn't say it was a realistic hope.
>
>
> Rose Bowl outlook: We could see a six-way tie for Pac-10's top spot
> (Four football teams have two league losses or fewer. Today, all of them claim
more than a puncher's chance at the Rose Bowl berth opposite Ohio State.)
> Bud Withers
> Seattle Times colleges reporter
>
> Apologies to Ernest Thayer, who wrote "Casey at The Bat." Somewhere kids are
laughing and somewhere hearts are light. Somewhere they're talking about bowl
games and BCS berths.
> Just not here in our state, where Washington and Washington State,
confoundingly, will combine to go a sixth straight football season without a
bowl game, not easy to do in the age of the Duluth Dust-Bunny Classic.
> While we in our little Northwest nook snipe at coaches and second-guess play
calls, this is what they're doing today around the rest of the Pac-10:
contemplating how, in the wildest season ever, there could be a six-way tie for
the championship.
> Believe it.
> • Oregon (6-1) loses at Arizona (4-2) this week and Oregon State (5-2) Dec. 3
in Eugene.
> • California (4-3) beats Stanford (6-2) and Washington.
> • Arizona beats Arizona State.
> • USC (4-3) beats UCLA and Arizona.
> • OSU loses this week at Washington State (hey, we didn't say you wouldn't
have to work with us a little).
> Voilà. Half a dozen teams with 6-3 conference records, and a headache bigger
than any other six-pack would give conference administrators.
> Four teams have two league losses or fewer. Today, all of them claim more than
a puncher's chance at the Rose Bowl berth opposite Ohio State.
> • Oregon: The Ducks control their destiny.
>
> • Arizona: The Wildcats control theirs as well.
> • Stanford: Needs to beat Cal and have Arizona beat Oregon, the Ducks beat OSU
and have Arizona lose to either ASU or USC.
> • Oregon State: Needs to beat WSU and Oregon and have Arizona lose once.
> Two-team tiebreakers are broken by the head-to-head game. Multiple-team knots
are settled by comparing the teams' record against each other, and if that
doesn't break them, by comparing how they did against the next-lowest team in
the standings.
> The aim is to reduce the tie to two teams, and then compare their game
head-to-head.
> I can't recall a more contentious race, and certainly not one in which there
was more quality in the first division. There was a three-team tie in 2000
(Washington, OSU, Oregon) and another in 1993 (UCLA, USC, Arizona).
> In 32 years of Pac-10 football, that's it for the multiples.
> Here's how loony the Pac-10 season has gone: Arizona's two losses came on the
carom-off-a-cleat interception that beat the Wildcats at Washington; and
Saturday, Arizona was positioned for a possible winning field goal when, on
third-and-three, quarterback Nick Foles caught his own batted pass and tried to
throw it again, drawing a penalty that took the Wildcats out of field-goal range
and killed the drive.
> Oh, that six-team Rubik's Cube?
> USC wins it. Just don't tell the Trojans that their life-supported hopes of
going to a BCS bowl rest partly on a win by Washington State.
> Fun stuff, no doubt.
> It's just that once more in the state of Washington, it's somebody else's fun.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ygd8x6w
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::\
T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Wow - You make it sound so respectable.  I just remember UCLA beating the hell
out of us for 8 years and watching Lou Holtz embarrass us in a big matchup at
the coliseum.  I remember losing to TCU and Fresno State in bowl games and Paul
Hackett as head coach.  I remember traveling to Florida State and just hoping
we'd make a game of it... we didn't.

Ahhh statistics.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Trader Kevin
   To: collegebcs@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:02 AM
   Subject: Re: [collegebcs] Why Stanford went for two up by 27



   John Martin:

   >> Sure SC football has a great tradition, but do you remember the 15 years
between 1984 and 1999? <<

   16 years, 4 Top Ten Finishes, 8 Top 10 finishes, 5 Rose Bowls.

   117-71-5 for a win percentage of .619, 25th-best in the country.

   http://tinyurl.com/yk8zzbw

   I'm amazed at 5 ties in just 16 years. Joe Paterno has three ties in his
entire career. Bear Bryant had 17.

   I'm thankful such outcomes are now historical artifacts. (So are Ohio State
fans--a tie would have sent Iowa to the Rose Bowl!)

   Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

John Martin:

>> It is one thing when you're Ohio State or Michigan and you own your own state
and effectively the recruiting in that state, but with Florida and California,
if you mix in a couple of poor years, your recruiting can be hurt and you can
retreat to the middle of the pack fairly quickly. <<

Owning Michigan recruiting is like being the smartest of The Three Stooges. Most
of their good players are from someplace else.

And Ohio State having the Buckeye State on a near-total lockdown is a relatively
new phenomenon. OSU suffered their own challenges in the late 80s and early 90s.
They went 41-25-4 (.614), including a losing season in 1988 and an 0-4 record in
bowls.

No team has a birth-right to success. Not even Notre Dame.

:)

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

...Of course, it requires Washington State to get a win this weekend against the
Beavers.  I didn't say it was a realistic hope.


Rose Bowl outlook: We could see a six-way tie for Pac-10's top spot
(Four football teams have two league losses or fewer. Today, all of them claim
more than a puncher's chance at the Rose Bowl berth opposite Ohio State.)
Bud Withers
Seattle Times colleges reporter

Apologies to Ernest Thayer, who wrote "Casey at The Bat." Somewhere kids are
laughing and somewhere hearts are light. Somewhere they're talking about bowl
games and BCS berths.
Just not here in our state, where Washington and Washington State,
confoundingly, will combine to go a sixth straight football season without a
bowl game, not easy to do in the age of the Duluth Dust-Bunny Classic.
While we in our little Northwest nook snipe at coaches and second-guess play
calls, this is what they're doing today around the rest of the Pac-10:
contemplating how, in the wildest season ever, there could be a six-way tie for
the championship.
Believe it.
• Oregon (6-1) loses at Arizona (4-2) this week and Oregon State (5-2) Dec. 3 in
Eugene.
• California (4-3) beats Stanford (6-2) and Washington.
• Arizona beats Arizona State.
• USC (4-3) beats UCLA and Arizona.
• OSU loses this week at Washington State (hey, we didn't say you wouldn't have
to work with us a little).
Voilà. Half a dozen teams with 6-3 conference records, and a headache bigger
than any other six-pack would give conference administrators.
Four teams have two league losses or fewer. Today, all of them claim more than a
puncher's chance at the Rose Bowl berth opposite Ohio State.
• Oregon: The Ducks control their destiny.

• Arizona: The Wildcats control theirs as well.
• Stanford: Needs to beat Cal and have Arizona beat Oregon, the Ducks beat OSU
and have Arizona lose to either ASU or USC.
• Oregon State: Needs to beat WSU and Oregon and have Arizona lose once.
Two-team tiebreakers are broken by the head-to-head game. Multiple-team knots
are settled by comparing the teams' record against each other, and if that
doesn't break them, by comparing how they did against the next-lowest team in
the standings.
The aim is to reduce the tie to two teams, and then compare their game
head-to-head.
I can't recall a more contentious race, and certainly not one in which there was
more quality in the first division. There was a three-team tie in 2000
(Washington, OSU, Oregon) and another in 1993 (UCLA, USC, Arizona).
In 32 years of Pac-10 football, that's it for the multiples.
Here's how loony the Pac-10 season has gone: Arizona's two losses came on the
carom-off-a-cleat interception that beat the Wildcats at Washington; and
Saturday, Arizona was positioned for a possible winning field goal when, on
third-and-three, quarterback Nick Foles caught his own batted pass and tried to
throw it again, drawing a penalty that took the Wildcats out of field-goal range
and killed the drive.
Oh, that six-team Rubik's Cube?
USC wins it. Just don't tell the Trojans that their life-supported hopes of
going to a BCS bowl rest partly on a win by Washington State.
Fun stuff, no doubt.
It's just that once more in the state of Washington, it's somebody else's fun.

http://tinyurl.com/ygd8x6w

_________________________________________________________________
Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::\
T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009

I remember the dry period for Southern California football.
Post-Robinson in 1983 to Pete Carroll with a few decent years
sprinkled in betwixt and between.  You never know in college football.
  Look how bad Alabama was a few years ago and how bad Michigan is now.
  But the odds are pretty good that SC will range from better to way
better than Stanford in the future and my point is if that happens
then Stanford is left out there to dry and Harbaugh will be in the NFL
and unable to help them with something he started.  Sure, he will have
massaged his own ego, as Kevin points out, but at the risk of exposing
Stanford to humiliation in the future with very little chance that
he'll be there to provide them cover.

I don't think it will end when either man leaves.  I think Harbaugh is
a strange guy with a peculiar personality wrapped up in a very good
football coach.  If Carroll were to leave do you think he would revert
to being a "nice guy" all of a sudden?  I don't but stranger
transformations have occurred.

Conversely, if Harbaugh leaves is Carroll going to call of his dogs in
a future game with Stanford lying out there vulnerable?  Probably not
after this incident.

I just say win like a gentleman and lose like one.  Don't try to hurt
the other guy and even he tries to hurt you then take the high road,
especially if you are playing with a stronger hand.

The good thing about all of this is that Harbaugh has probably created
a rivalry of interest outside the Pac Ten for the next few years, so
the media will be happy to bring it up and make what hay out of it
that it can.

Thanks and Good Luck.

M

ps so what was the bottom line on the Woody Hayes thing?  Did he do it
intentionally or not?

Trader Kevin wrote:
>>Not at all, this is purely a battle of egos between Carroll and Harbaugh, it
won't be a long-term thing, it ends as soon as one of them is gone.

I'm not so sure.  Sometimes things like that have a way of coming back again and
again.  I can use an example from the Boise State-Idaho rivalry to illustrate my
point.  Way back in 1977, in the early years of the rivalry (it started in 1971
when the Broncos joined the Big Sky Conference), Coach Jim Criner decided to rub
the Vandal's noses in what was already a big blowout.  The Broncos had just gone
up by 27 late in the 4th quarter, and Criner decided to try an onside kick,
which the Broncos recovered, and they tacked on another field goal in the waning
seconds of the game to win by 30. On the Vandal's team that year was all-Big Sky
senior linebacker Chris Tormey.

Flash forward nearly 2 decades.  It's 1996, and the Broncos and Vandals have
both just made the jump from DI-AA to DI-A.  Head coach of the Broncos is Pokey
Allen. He was a beloved figure for the Broncos, being the coach to finally break
the Vandal's 12 game winning streak over the Broncos, and lead the Bronco's to
their second DI-AA National Championship game.  Unfortunately, he had been
diagnosed with cancer that year, and had missed most of the season undergoing
chemotherapy treatments.  The Broncos were having their worst seasons in history
(only 2 wins), but Pokey had returned the week before to lead the Broncos to one
of their only wins that season.

Meanwhile, head coach of the Vandals was none other than Chris Tormey.  The
Vandals were way too much for the Broncos that day.  They were up 43-6 in the
second half of the game, when Tormey calls for a fake punt, which they execute
perfectly for a 47 yard touchdown. Idaho went on to win 64-19. That ended up
being the last game Pokey Allen ever coached, as he died less than 6 weeks
later.

All through the Vandals' 12 game winning streak in the 80's, the rallying cry
for Idaho was that onside kick.  All through the Broncos' current 11 game
winning streak, the rallying cry has been, "Remember Pokey!" That makes for over
30 years of bad blood between teams, based largely on the egos of a couple of
coaches, neither of whom are with either program anymore.

I admit that I get fired up every time I think about the fake punt in 1996.  My
best memories as a Bronco fan are definitely the Fiesta Bowl in the '06 season,
and the National Championship in 1980.  But high up there on the list are every
beating the Broncos ever gave the Vandals, especially the 1994 victory to break
their streak, and the 1999 45-14 thrashing to send Chris Tormey out on a sour
note (He became the Nevada head coach in 2000). Also way up there is the 2003
56-3 beatdown of Nevada, in which the Wolfpack announced that Tormey had been
fired shortly after the game.  Come to think of it, since Hawaii hired Tormey as
an assistant coach this year, the 54-9 pasting that the Warriors took this year
on the Islands was pretty sweet, too.

-Marc
_________________________________________________________________
Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL\
:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2

John Martin:

>> Sure SC football has a great tradition, but do you remember the 15 years
between 1984 and 1999? <<

16 years, 4 Top Ten Finishes, 8 Top 10 finishes, 5 Rose Bowls.

117-71-5 for a win percentage of .619, 25th-best in the country.

http://tinyurl.com/yk8zzbw

I'm amazed at 5 ties in just 16 years. Joe Paterno has three ties in his entire
career. Bear Bryant had 17.

I'm thankful such outcomes are now historical artifacts. (So are Ohio State
fans--a tie would have sent Iowa to the Rose Bowl!)

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

John Martin:

>> All the more reason why I hope Harbaugh goes to Notre Dame. <<

He supposedly wants an NFL job. I'm sure there are plenty of Michigan Men who'd
like to bring him home, but it looks like RichRod will get one more year to
redeem himself.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin