Hi there,

just wanted to say hello as new member of your group! I´m very interested in
classic pugilism and I hope one or the other could help me with advice regarding
training, technique and advice about this topic!

Best wishes

Thorsten

On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 01:55 -0800, Amado Fernandez wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Kirk.  Do you have a website for listing the DVDs you have
> available, and where one could order?

No I don't.  I'm sorta a one-man-shop.  I've got a short list somewhere
that I have emailed.  I'll see if I can find it.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Thank you for your review Kirk.  I pretty much expected the book to full of
inaccuracies but you never know.

Hopefully someday, when this recession ends, I can actually scrape together
enough money get your book & the Dempsey video.

Thanks again,

Hugo

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk \"Rabid Weasel\" Lawson"
<lawson@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 03:17 +0000, HUGO wrote:
> > If I were to pay $$$ for a BKB book I'd start with Kirk Lawson's
> > "Banned from Boxing! The forgotten grappling techniques of historic
> > Pugilism"
>
> Thanks for the vote of confidence.  :-)
>
> Peace favor your sword,
> Kirk
>

I review the book here:
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/western-arts/message/24644
I had thought that I cc'ed the classicpugilism list with this one but
I was mistaken.

I do agree, get Banned from Boxing before getting this one for sure!

Ken

On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 03:17 +0000, HUGO wrote:
> If I were to pay $$$ for a BKB book I'd start with Kirk Lawson's
> "Banned from Boxing! The forgotten grappling techniques of historic
> Pugilism"

Thanks for the vote of confidence.  :-)

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

---------------------------------------------

Just copied your interview over for discussion (and possibly more sales) to one
of my forums

Rick
Interview with Western Martial Arts Author Kirk Lawson - Banned From Boxing

http://martialarts808.com/Ninjas/index.php/topic,9.msg23.html#msg23

On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 03:17 +0000, HUGO wrote:
> If I were to pay $$$ for a BKB book I'd start with Kirk Lawson's
> "Banned from Boxing! The forgotten grappling techniques of historic
> Pugilism"

Thanks for the vote of confidence.  :-)

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Thanks Jason.


On 19 Nov 2009, at 17:24 (19/11), Jason Couch wrote:

> I think Wylde may have been slightly earlier; not exclusively empty
> hand, but  he did have a separate wrestling section IIRC.
>
> Jason Couch
>
>
>
>> 1. Earliest English Source?
>>   Posted by: "James" james@... jmarwood1
>>   Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:33 pm ((PST))
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Am I right in thinking that Parkyns is the earliest English text
>> dealing with empty handed fighting?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I think Wylde may have been slightly earlier; not exclusively empty
hand, but  he did have a separate wrestling section IIRC.

Jason Couch



> 1. Earliest English Source?
>    Posted by: "James" james@... jmarwood1
>    Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:33 pm ((PST))
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Am I right in thinking that Parkyns is the earliest English text
> dealing with empty handed fighting?
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
>
>

Hi guys,

Am I right in thinking that Parkyns is the earliest English text dealing with
empty handed fighting?

Cheers,

James

Anyone see this book?

http://www.amazon.com/BARE-KNUCKLE-BOXERS-COMPANION-Learning-Masters/dp/B0024ZFX\
JM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258427554&sr=1-1

Apparently it's written by two martial artists, David Lindholm and Ulf Tada.

Who are these guys?

If I were to pay $$$ for a BKB book I'd start with Kirk Lawson's "Banned from
Boxing! The forgotten grappling techniques of historic Pugilism", but I'm
wondering who these guys are & if the books decent.

Thanks in advanced,

Hugo

Thanks Chris,

There will be in the next few weeks. I only have access to one decent camera
from a friend and I have problems coordinating the lending of the camera with
partner and cameraman presence, I'm finilasing my last post-grad work for this
session by tuesday, so after that I will also have more time to do it.

I'm as impatient as anyone to make this video, but things never work as they
should :-/.

Maxime Chouinard

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Chris Amendola <chris.amendola@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Max,
>
> The clip you have found has made it's way around, can't remember where
> I was first introduced to it. The WWI period interests me.
>
> Speaking of some clips...any "swift stick" ones I can look at :)
>
>
> All the Best,
>
> Chris Amendola
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:20 AM, "emperorsc3" <emperorsc1@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Have you seen the WW1 video I posted? In fact has anyone seen it?
> >
> > Maxime Chouinard
> >
> > --- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Amado Fernandez
> > <grapplefan12000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wish there more DVDs put out by the historical pugilism
> > community.  Written manuals are fine to a certain extent, but
> > nothing beats seeing boxing in action to clarify the details and key
> > points.
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, "emperorsc3" <emperorsc1@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Have you seen the WW1 video I posted? In fact has anyone seen it?
>
>

----Did get to see it.  As with a lot of silent films projected on modern
equipment the speed was faster than real life.  But did show that there's
nothing new under the sun; there were techniques identical to some I practice.

 

Have you seen the WW1 video I posted? In fact has anyone seen it?

Maxime Chouinard

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Amado Fernandez <grapplefan12000@...> wrote:
>
> I wish there more DVDs put out by the historical pugilism community.  Written manuals are fine to a certain extent, but nothing beats seeing boxing in action to clarify the details and key points.
>

Have you seen the WW1 video I posted? In fact has anyone seen it?

Maxime Chouinard

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Amado Fernandez <grapplefan12000@...>
wrote:
>
> I wish there more DVDs put out by the historical pugilism community.  Written
manuals are fine to a certain extent, but nothing beats seeing boxing in action
to clarify the details and key points.
>

On Sat, 2009-11-14 at 01:48 -0800, Amado Fernandez wrote:
>
>
> I wish there more DVDs put out by the historical pugilism community.
> Written manuals are fine to a certain extent, but nothing beats seeing
> boxing in action to clarify the details and key points.

I have seminar footage DVDs covering this topic.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

I didn't think of it that way, thank you for the advice.

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Terry Brown <terrybrown@...> wrote:
>
> In message <hdi5kd+6aal@...>, amdaniels89
> <amdaniels89@...> writes
> >     
> >
> >    So I bought Defensive Exercises, Sullivan's maunual, Allanson-Winn'
> >    s Boxing, Edward's Art of Boxing, Swift's Handbook to Boxing, and I
> >    also printed out a copy of Price's Science of Self Defence. Of
> >    these which would be the best for reconstructing Mendoza or an
> >    early LPR style? Also how effective would these styles be for Self
> >    Defense?
> >
> In order to reconstruct Mendoza's style/system you must develop a clear
> understanding of the principles he espouses. These principles are made
> clear in his manual. Once you have understood ALL of his advice and
> principles they can be applied to most bkb styles.
> >
> In other words don't try to copy his style, instead copy his principles;
> It is the latter that will keep you safe and you fights.
> >
> Best wishes,
> Terry
> --
> Terry Brown
>

In message <hdi5kd+6aal@eGroups.com>, amdaniels89
<amdaniels89@...> writes
>     
>
>    So I bought Defensive Exercises, Sullivan's maunual, Allanson-Winn'
>    s Boxing, Edward's Art of Boxing, Swift's Handbook to Boxing, and I
>    also printed out a copy of Price's Science of Self Defence. Of
>    these which would be the best for reconstructing Mendoza or an
>    early LPR style? Also how effective would these styles be for Self
>    Defense?
>
In order to reconstruct Mendoza's style/system you must develop a clear
understanding of the principles he espouses. These principles are made
clear in his manual. Once you have understood ALL of his advice and
principles they can be applied to most bkb styles.
>
In other words don't try to copy his style, instead copy his principles;
It is the latter that will keep you safe and you fights.
>
Best wishes,
Terry
--
Terry Brown

So I bought Defensive Exercises, Sullivan's maunual, Allanson-Winn's Boxing,
Edward's Art of Boxing, Swift's Handbook to Boxing, and I also printed out a
copy of Price's Science of Self Defence. Of these which would be the best for
reconstructing Mendoza or an early LPR style? Also how effective would these
styles be for Self Defense?

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Terry Brown <terrybrown@...> wrote:
>
> >    On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 07:56 +0000, Terry Brown wrote:
> >    > A good number of titles have been republished on lulu, I'm sure
> >    Kirk
> >    > will give you the details; BTW I recommend Kirk's 'Banned from
> >    Boxing'
> >    > as a very good resource.
> >    > >
> >    > Terry
> >
> >     for the plug!
> >
> My pleasure Kirk.
> >
> Terry
> >
> >     my book and a metric boatload of antique, period, boxing manuals
> >     available here:
> >
> >    http://stores.lulu.com/lawson
> >
> >     favor your sword,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Terry Brown
>

Hi guys,

Has anyone ever posted this video? seems like a combative training from WW1:
http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/521.cfm

It shows some textbook drilling in action, very interesting (although it would
need to be slowed down a bit).

Cheers,

Maxime Chouinard

>    On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 07:56 +0000, Terry Brown wrote:
>    > A good number of titles have been republished on lulu, I'm sure
>    Kirk
>    > will give you the details; BTW I recommend Kirk's 'Banned from
>    Boxing'
>    > as a very good resource.
>    > >
>    > Terry
>
>     for the plug!
>
My pleasure Kirk.
>
Terry
>
>     my book and a metric boatload of antique, period, boxing manuals
>     available here:
>
>    http://stores.lulu.com/lawson
>
>     favor your sword,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Terry Brown

On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 07:56 +0000, Terry Brown wrote:
> A good number of titles have been republished on lulu, I'm sure Kirk
> will give you the details; BTW I recommend Kirk's 'Banned from Boxing'
> as a very good resource.
> >
> Terry

Thanks for the plug!

Both my book and a metric boatload of antique, period, boxing manuals
are available here:

http://stores.lulu.com/lawson

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

A good number of titles have been republished on lulu, I'm sure Kirk
will give you the details; BTW I recommend Kirk's 'Banned from Boxing'
as a very good resource.
>
Terry
>     
>
>
>    I live in Arkansas, the Little Rock area to be more specific, I
>    have no idea if there are any board members in the area or not, it
>    would really be nice if there were but I doubt it. As to your book
>    I'll see about getting a copy. In the event there isn't anyone in
>    my area to offer instruction are there any period manuals you would
>    recommend in particular, or any tips for training without
>    instruction?


>
>    --- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Terry Brown <terrybrown@
>    ...> wrote:
>    >
>    > Whereabouts do you live? Are there any board members within reach
>    of
>    > you? I ask because direct tuition with someone who has already
>    > researched bkb is the best way to go. If not, check if anyone has
>    any
>    > DVD's etc. that you can purchase. My own book 'English Martial
>    Arts'
>    > (published by Anglo-Saxon Books Ltd) has a section on bkb which
>    includes
>    > stances, blocks, techniques etc.
>    > >
>    > Best wishes,
>    > Terry
>    > >
>    > >
>    > > I posted awhile back and introduced myself, but it's been a
>    bit. My
>    > > name is Austin,I have a bit of martial arts expereince here and
>    > > there, six months of wing chun, about the same of kickboxing
>    > > training, and about a year of boxing. I love history and
>    > > particularly the history of martial arts. I am really
>    interested in
>    > > practicing Mendoza style pugilism but I have no idea where to
>    > > start. I have bought the reprint of his manual and about every
>    > > other classical manual I could find on Lulu. I was wondering if
>    > > anyone could offer advice on how exactly I could get started, I
>    > > have a brother who is interested as well, so I have a willing
>    > > training partner. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>    > >
>    > >
>    >
>    > --
>    > Terry Brown
>    >
>
>

--
Terry Brown

I live in Arkansas, the Little Rock area to be more specific, I have no idea if
there are any board members in the area or not, it would really be nice if there
were but I doubt it. As to your book I'll see about getting a copy. In the event
there isn't anyone in my area to offer instruction are there any period manuals
you would recommend in particular, or any tips for training without instruction?

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Terry Brown <terrybrown@...> wrote:
>
> Whereabouts do you live? Are there any board members within reach of
> you? I ask because direct tuition with someone who has already
> researched bkb is the best way to go. If not, check if anyone has any
> DVD's etc. that you can purchase. My own book 'English Martial Arts'
> (published by Anglo-Saxon Books Ltd) has a section on bkb which includes
> stances, blocks, techniques etc.
> >
> Best wishes,
> Terry
> >
> >
> >    I posted awhile back and introduced myself, but it's been a bit. My
> >    name is Austin,I have a bit of martial arts expereince here and
> >    there, six months of wing chun, about the same of kickboxing
> >    training, and about a year of boxing. I love history and
> >    particularly the history of martial arts. I am really interested in
> >    practicing Mendoza style pugilism but I have no idea where to
> >    start. I have bought the reprint of his manual and about every
> >    other classical manual I could find on Lulu. I was wondering if
> >    anyone could offer advice on how exactly I could get started, I
> >    have a brother who is interested as well, so I have a willing
> >    training partner. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Terry Brown
>

Whereabouts do you live? Are there any board members within reach of
you? I ask because direct tuition with someone who has already
researched bkb is the best way to go. If not, check if anyone has any
DVD's etc. that you can purchase. My own book 'English Martial Arts'
(published by Anglo-Saxon Books Ltd) has a section on bkb which includes
stances, blocks, techniques etc.
>
Best wishes,
Terry
>
>
>    I posted awhile back and introduced myself, but it's been a bit. My
>    name is Austin,I have a bit of martial arts expereince here and
>    there, six months of wing chun, about the same of kickboxing
>    training, and about a year of boxing. I love history and
>    particularly the history of martial arts. I am really interested in
>    practicing Mendoza style pugilism but I have no idea where to
>    start. I have bought the reprint of his manual and about every
>    other classical manual I could find on Lulu. I was wondering if
>    anyone could offer advice on how exactly I could get started, I
>    have a brother who is interested as well, so I have a willing
>    training partner. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>

--
Terry Brown

I posted awhile back and introduced myself, but it's been a bit. My name is
Austin,I have a bit of martial arts expereince here and there, six months of
wing chun, about the same of kickboxing training, and about a year of boxing. I
love history and particularly the history of martial arts. I am really
interested in practicing Mendoza style pugilism but I have no idea where to
start. I have bought the reprint of his manual and about every other classical
manual I could find on Lulu. I was wondering if anyone could offer advice on how
exactly I could get started, I have a brother who is interested as well, so I
have a willing training partner. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Normally I really enjoy watching the HW Eastern Europeans box but
Valuev has gotten by on size alone. He is hardly a boxer at all.

Many many gift decisions for him in the past. I was unable to watch
this fight live but was following a play by play thread on a boxing
forum. I was pretty sure another gift was in the making, glad to hear
he lost.

Ken