Craig,
your answers where crystal clear.
Thanks
chuck


--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, "craig gemeiner"
<ozsavate@h...> wrote:
> Hi Chuck
>
>
> >From: "Chuck Wyatt" <baldmonkeyboy@y...>
> >
> >Hi Craig,
> >I have few questions about how you use the "vertical cross guard"
> >(figure has the right hand up in front of the face and the left
down
> >low against the body)
> >
> >Are you using your left shoulder to initially ram your opponent,
> >getting him on his heels,
>
> Yes that's correct.
>
> then use your right arm to push your
> >opponent back all the while using your left to give hammers to the
> >groin and elbows to the chin?
>
> We actually continue to use the left shoulder to shove or push the
enemy
> back while the left arm  delivers sharp raising elbows to the gut
and under
> the chin and the same hand for the hammer blows to the groin .The
right hand
> comes into use as a follow up strike.
>
> Hope that makes sense.
>
> Cheers ,
>
> Craig
> >Thanks Chuck
> >
> >
> >--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, "craig gemeiner"
> ><ozsavate@h...> wrote:
> > > Hi Alan ,
> > >
> > > I take it your referring to the picture  in which the figure
has
> >the right
> > > hand up in front of the face and the left down low against the
> >body!.  If so
> > > we use this guard in some of our DDLR classes as a type of in
> >close
> > > battering ram , driving the enemy onto the back of his heels
and
> >following
> > > with hammer blows to the groin and sharp raising elbows under
the
> >chin while
> > > he's reeling back.
> > >
> > > Aussie John Famechon -former world feather weight boxing champ
> >provides an
> > > excellent breakdown on the 'cross defence' in his boxing manual
> >entitled  "
> > > The Method" .
> > >
> > > We also use the  horizontal cross guard , also referred to as
> >the 'safety
> > > block' while driving forward , from this position we deliver
short
> >rear
> > > upper cuts to kick the head back exposing the jaw and throat to
> >horizontal
> > > hammer or EOHB blows  . Both these guards have some good cross
> >over
> > > application to real world SD.
> > >
> > > Sorry for being so long winded.
> > >
> > > All the best ,
> > >
> > > Craig G
> > >
> > > >From: "spadaydaga" <spadaydaga@y...>
> > > >Reply-To: classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [classicpugilism] cross guard
> > > >Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:51:20 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Hey,
> > > >
> > > >Anybody here ever use that cross guard techinque ( the one in
the
> > > >photos) in real sparring?
> > > >
> > > >alan in Southold, NY.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >

Hi Chuck


>From: "Chuck Wyatt" <baldmonkeyboy@...>
>
>Hi Craig,
>I have few questions about how you use the "vertical cross guard"
>(figure has the right hand up in front of the face and the left down
>low against the body)
>
>Are you using your left shoulder to initially ram your opponent,
>getting him on his heels,

Yes that's correct.

then use your right arm to push your
>opponent back all the while using your left to give hammers to the
>groin and elbows to the chin?

We actually continue to use the left shoulder to shove or push the enemy
back while the left arm  delivers sharp raising elbows to the gut and under
the chin and the same hand for the hammer blows to the groin .The right hand
comes into use as a follow up strike.

Hope that makes sense.

Cheers ,

Craig
>Thanks Chuck
>
>
>--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, "craig gemeiner"
><ozsavate@h...> wrote:
> > Hi Alan ,
> >
> > I take it your referring to the picture  in which the figure has
>the right
> > hand up in front of the face and the left down low against the
>body!.  If so
> > we use this guard in some of our DDLR classes as a type of in
>close
> > battering ram , driving the enemy onto the back of his heels and
>following
> > with hammer blows to the groin and sharp raising elbows under the
>chin while
> > he's reeling back.
> >
> > Aussie John Famechon -former world feather weight boxing champ
>provides an
> > excellent breakdown on the 'cross defence' in his boxing manual
>entitled  "
> > The Method" .
> >
> > We also use the  horizontal cross guard , also referred to as
>the 'safety
> > block' while driving forward , from this position we deliver short
>rear
> > upper cuts to kick the head back exposing the jaw and throat to
>horizontal
> > hammer or EOHB blows  . Both these guards have some good cross
>over
> > application to real world SD.
> >
> > Sorry for being so long winded.
> >
> > All the best ,
> >
> > Craig G
> >
> > >From: "spadaydaga" <spadaydaga@y...>
> > >Reply-To: classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [classicpugilism] cross guard
> > >Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:51:20 -0000
> > >
> > >Hey,
> > >
> > >Anybody here ever use that cross guard techinque ( the one in the
> > >photos) in real sparring?
> > >
> > >alan in Southold, NY.
> > >
> > >
>
>

Hi Craig,
I have few questions about how you use the "vertical crossguard"
(figure has the right hand up in front of the face and the left down
low against the body)

Are you using your left shoulder to initially ram your oppenant,
getting him on his heels, then use your right arm to push your
opponent back all the while using your left to give hammers to the
groin and elbows to the chin?
Thanks Chuck


--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, "craig gemeiner"
<ozsavate@h...> wrote:
> Hi Alan ,
>
> I take it your referring to the picture  in which the figure has
the right
> hand up in front of the face and the left down low against the
body!.  If so
> we use this guard in some of our DDLR classes as a type of in
close
> battering ram , driving the enemy onto the back of his heels and
following
> with hammer blows to the groin and sharp raising elbows under the
chin while
> he's reeling back.
>
> Aussie John Famechon -former world feather weight boxing champ
provides an
> excellent breakdown on the 'cross defence' in his boxing manual
entitled  "
> The Method" .
>
> We also use the  horizontal cross guard , also referred to as
the 'safety
> block' while driving forward , from this position we deliver short
rear
> upper cuts to kick the head back exposing the jaw and throat to
horizontal
> hammer or EOHB blows  . Both these guards have some good cross
over
> application to real world SD.
>
> Sorry for being so long winded.
>
> All the best ,
>
> Craig G
>
> >From: "spadaydaga" <spadaydaga@y...>
> >Reply-To: classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com
> >To: classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [classicpugilism] cross guard
> >Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:51:20 -0000
> >
> >Hey,
> >
> >Anybody here ever use that cross guard techinque ( the one in the
> >photos) in real sparring?
> >
> >alan in Southold, NY.
> >
> >

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On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 20:59 -0400, Ken Pfrenger wrote:
> On 8/14/05, Guro Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
> >
> > I've been hoping for a pdf copy of Championship Boxing by Jack Dempsey
>
> There was one available last month online but it has
> vanished....anyone have one they could put up somewhere?
>
> ken

I DL'ed the one Stickgrappler linked to.

I can put it up in the Files section if there's enough room.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

On 8/14/05, Guro Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
> 
> I've been hoping for a pdf copy of Championship Boxing by Jack Dempsey

There was one available last month online but it has
vanished....anyone have one they could put up somewhere?

ken

On 8/14/05, Stephen Logan <stephen_logan81@...> wrote:
> Ken (and other Dempsey enthusiasts),
>
> That sound great.  I saw some of your Dempsey material
> this summer but not as much it seems, as what was
> taught at Lansing.

I focused on both dempsey and Mendoza in PA...should have stuck to one
or the other really but wnated to give an overview and left feeling
that I did not get to show much of either.

  Something came to mind though.
>
> Do you all see Dempsey's boxing style as different or
> apart from the rest of his era's style?  I'm just
> curious if his style is being shown seprately because
> he was such a successful fighter and enigmatic figure
> or possibly because he was stylisticly different from
> his peers?

Good questions....I imagine that for his time Dempsey displayed a bit
of an older style but most importantly we know he was good, not just
good, the best in the world in his day. Also he was nice enough to
write it down in great detail which makes focusing on his style alot
easier.

>
> Grrr...I guess I need to re-photocopy that book again
> :)

Yes you do....it is a great book. Thanks for getting ahold of it for
me when you did. it has proved to be my favorite martial text.

Ken

On 8/14/05, Stephen Logan <stephen_logan81@...> wrote:
> Ken (and other Dempsey enthusiasts),
>
> That sound great.  I saw some of your Dempsey material
> this summer but not as much it seems, as what was
> taught at Lansing.

I focused on both dempsey and Mendoza in PA...should have stuck to one
or the other really but wnated to give an overview and left feeling
that I did not get to show much of either.

   Something came to mind though.
>
> Do you all see Dempsey's boxing style as different or
> apart from the rest of his era's style?  I'm just
> curious if his style is being shown seprately because
> he was such a successful fighter and enigmatic figure
> or possibly because he was stylisticly different from
> his peers?

Good questions....I imagine that for his time Dempsey displayed a bit
of an older style but most importantly we know he was good, not just
good, the best in the world in his day. Also he was nice enough to
write it down in great detail which makes focusing on his style alot
easier.

>
> Grrr...I guess I need to re-photocopy that book again
> :)

Yes you do....it is a great book. Thanks for getting ahold of it for
me when you did. it has proved to be my favorite martial text.

Ken

On 8/14/05, Guro Dennis Servaes <dennisservaes@...> wrote:
>
> I've been hoping for a pdf copy of Championship Boxing by Jack Dempsey

There was one available last month online but it has
vanished....anyone have one they could put up somewhere?

ken

Ken (and other Dempsey enthusiasts),

That sound great.  I saw some of your Dempsey material
this summer but not as much it seems, as what was
taught at Lansing.  Something came to mind though.

Do you all see Dempsey's boxing style as different or
apart from the rest of his era's style?  I'm just
curious if his style is being shown seprately because
he was such a successful fighter and enigmatic figure
or possibly because he was stylisticly different from
his peers?

Grrr...I guess I need to re-photocopy that book again
:)

Stephen



--- Ken Pfrenger <kenpfrenger@...> wrote:

> Last weekend at ISMAC in Lansing MI, I was lucky
> enough to get to
> present my Jack Dempsey pugilism to a nice sized
> class of interested
> and skilled seminar attendees. TIm Ruzicki and I had
> covered footwork
> and some other basics in an earlier class so I was
> able to get more to
> the meat of the style right away.
>
> We went into the drop/falling/trigger step which was
> easily caught and
> absorbed by all. Then into the shoulder whirl from
> the hook and closer
> range straight punches....next came the fun
> stuff...the shovel hook.
> We spent most of our time on this punch and my goal
> of making sure
> that everyone could throw a decent shovel to the
> body we attained with
> less sweat and trouble than I thought due to the
> high quality of the
> participants........I had promised to make sure
> everyone could break
> ribs in our class intros and hopefully they all left
> with perhaps not
> the desire to do so but at least the ability.
>
> It was nice seeing people all weekend doing shovel
> hooks in play or
> threatening with a shovel hoot to the kidneys anyone
> who gave them a
> hard time in jest. During the waning hours of the
> weekend, sitting
> watching the singlestick tournie I was pleased to
> see one of the
> people from my class, a blonde woman, clearly a
> fencer, standing on
> the opposite side of the large gym throwing shovel
> hooks at
> someone...possibly Stefan?
>
> Ken
>



           
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Ken (and other Dempsey enthusiasts),

That sound great.  I saw some of your Dempsey material
this summer but not as much it seems, as what was
taught at Lansing.  Something came to mind though.

Do you all see Dempsey's boxing style as different or
apart from the rest of his era's style?  I'm just
curious if his style is being shown seprately because
he was such a successful fighter and enigmatic figure
or possibly because he was stylisticly different from
his peers?

Grrr...I guess I need to re-photocopy that book again
:)

Stephen



--- Ken Pfrenger <kenpfrenger@...> wrote:

> Last weekend at ISMAC in Lansing MI, I was lucky
> enough to get to
> present my Jack Dempsey pugilism to a nice sized
> class of interested
> and skilled seminar attendees. TIm Ruzicki and I had
> covered footwork
> and some other basics in an earlier class so I was
> able to get more to
> the meat of the style right away.
>
> We went into the drop/falling/trigger step which was
> easily caught and
> absorbed by all. Then into the shoulder whirl from
> the hook and closer
> range straight punches....next came the fun
> stuff...the shovel hook.
> We spent most of our time on this punch and my goal
> of making sure
> that everyone could throw a decent shovel to the
> body we attained with
> less sweat and trouble than I thought due to the
> high quality of the
> participants........I had promised to make sure
> everyone could break
> ribs in our class intros and hopefully they all left
> with perhaps not
> the desire to do so but at least the ability.
>
> It was nice seeing people all weekend doing shovel
> hooks in play or
> threatening with a shovel hoot to the kidneys anyone
> who gave them a
> hard time in jest. During the waning hours of the
> weekend, sitting
> watching the singlestick tournie I was pleased to
> see one of the
> people from my class, a blonde woman, clearly a
> fencer, standing on
> the opposite side of the large gym throwing shovel
> hooks at
> someone...possibly Stefan?
>
> Ken
>




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Last weekend at ISMAC in Lansing MI, I was lucky enough to get to
present my Jack Dempsey pugilism to a nice sized class of interested
and skilled seminar attendees. TIm Ruzicki and I had covered footwork
and some other basics in an earlier class so I was able to get more to
the meat of the style right away.

We went into the drop/falling/trigger step which was easily caught and
absorbed by all. Then into the shoulder whirl from the hook and closer
range straight punches....next came the fun stuff...the shovel hook.
We spent most of our time on this punch and my goal of making sure
that everyone could throw a decent shovel to the body we attained with
less sweat and trouble than I thought due to the high quality of the
participants........I had promised to make sure everyone could break
ribs in our class intros and hopefully they all left with perhaps not
the desire to do so but at least the ability.

It was nice seeing people all weekend doing shovel hooks in play or
threatening with a shovel hoot to the kidneys anyone who gave them a
hard time in jest. During the waning hours of the weekend, sitting
watching the singlestick tournie I was pleased to see one of the
people from my class, a blonde woman, clearly a fencer, standing on
the opposite side of the large gym throwing shovel hooks at
someone...possibly Stefan?

Ken

On 8/9/05, craig gemeiner <ozsavate@...> wrote:
> Hi Alan ,
>
> I take it your referring to the picture  in which the figure has the right
> hand up in front of the face and the left down low against the body!.  If so
> we use this guard in some of our DDLR classes as a type of in close
> battering ram , driving the enemy onto the back of his heels and following
> with hammer blows to the groin and sharp raising elbows under the chin while
> he's reeling back.
>
> Aussie John Famechon -former world feather weight boxing champ provides an
> excellent breakdown on the 'cross defence' in his boxing manual entitled  "
> The Method" .
>
> We also use the  horizontal cross guard , also referred to as the 'safety
> block' while driving forward , from this position we deliver short rear
> upper cuts to kick the head back exposing the jaw and throat to horizontal
> hammer or EOHB blows  . Both these guards have some good cross over
> application to real world SD.
>
> Sorry for being so long winded.

Not long winded in the least, thanks for sharing how you guys do it.
It has been years since I seriously toyed witht he cross guard. If the
weather clears up today I might have a good chance of trying my hand
at it once again.

ken

On 8/14/05, Jason Couch <jason-couch@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> …
>
> "In the "normal" punching position, the outside left hook is very useful as
> a lead that shoots behind the guarding right hand. And it is useful as a
> counter that "beats to the punch" a straight right started by your opponent.
> However, it is so difficult to get proper power into an outside left hook
> (without telegraphing) that the "corkscrew" is used. The late Kid McCoy,
> foxy old-time middleweight, made famous the corkscrew left hook.

Thanks for making that available Jason.....I would have gotten around
to eventually but you saved me the bother:)

ken

"Dempsey devotes a small section of his book to Kid McCoys
corkscrew."

Hi Ken,
Could you give us an overview of  what  Dempsey had to say about the
Corkscrew punch?
Not word for word, cliff noted would be great.
Chuck

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Ken Pfrenger
<kenpfrenger@g...> wrote:
> Solar Plexus punch.....possibly the most devastating body shot.
>
> As for the real McCoy and Kid McCoy.....Kid McCoy fought around the
> turn of the century mostly in the 1890's IIRC. If there are earlier
> references even if they are about the real McKay then the idea that
> the term is referenced to the boxer is most likely a folk
etymology.
>
> Dempsey devotes a small section of his book to Kid McCoys
corkscrew.
>
> Ken

Solar Plexus punch.....possibly the most devastating body shot.

As for the real McCoy and Kid McCoy.....Kid McCoy fought around the
turn of the century mostly in the 1890's IIRC. If there are earlier
references even if they are about the real McKay then the idea that
the term is referenced to the boxer is most likely a folk etymology.

Dempsey devotes a small section of his book to Kid McCoys corkscrew.

Ken

On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 18:19 +0000, d_rock19128 wrote:

>  This punch was so effective for Kid
> McCoy, that other boxers of the day started to use his name. Hence the
> phrase, "The real McCoy".

That's interesting.  The etymology I heard for "The real McCoy" was that
it came from a bootlegger of high-quality liquor named McCoy during the
Prohibition.

Looks like even the experts are uncertain and have just decided to give
credit to both:

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20010601.html

==============
Dear Yahoo!: Where did the expression "the real McCoy" come from? James
Orangeville, California  Dear James: Unfortunately, this is one of those
puzzling questions without a definitive answer. A number of different
theories attempt to explain the origin of the phrase.

Two of the most popular theories revolve around alcohol. One suggests
that the original saying was "the real MacKay," an advertising slogan
that appeared in 1856 for a Scottish whiskey. Eventually, this saying
supposedly evolved to "the real McCoy" in the United States. The second
alcohol-related theory poses that Bill McCoy was a bootlegger in the
U.S. during Prohibition. Hence real booze became known as "the real
McCoy."

Others claim the saying refers to Elijah McCoy, an engineer born in
1844. He invented the self-regulating lubricator, which revolutionized
the industrial machine and railroad industry. Because his product was so
reliable and many inferior products were produced, buyers of the
lubricator would ask, "Is this the real McCoy?"

Yet another explanation centers on welterweight boxer Norman Selby, also
known as "Kid McCoy." Reportedly, a blow from the boxer left one victim
proclaiming, "It's the real McCoy!"

Although these are the most oft-repeated, they are by no means the only
possibilities. Chances are we'll never know the origin of this curious
expression for certain so pick your favorite story and make your case.
==============

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

No problem. But let me clarify, the corkscrew punch was not
Fitzsimmons'. It was Kid McCoy who used the corkscrew back in the mid-
1800's. Fitzsimmons was known for his shift punch. But the corkscrew
punch is delivered to the Solar Plexus with a straight punch, either
hand will do, but usually with the rear hand. There are a cuple of
points to remember about this punch. 1)throw your rear straight as
normal, except right before the moment of impact twist your hand so
your thumb is facing down and your pinky is above. 2)Timing is crucial.
You want to make impact when your oppnent is inhaling not exhaling or
holding his breath. This is when the body is most relaxed, and
suceptible to damage. One acount of someone describing what it feels
like to be hit with this punch, said it was like having all the air
forced from your lungs by a train! This punch was so effective for Kid
McCoy, that other boxers of the day started to use his name. Hence the
phrase, "The real McCoy". For a discussion on Fitzs' shift punch, you
should refer to the archives on this group. There was a great thread on
it. But to say how effective the shift punch can be, Col. Rex Applegate
and the other men who created SpecOPs hand-to-hand fighting all used
and taught it, renaming it the "Killer Shift". Because of the damage it
can cause.

Can you give more details or Fitzsimmons's cockscrew
punch?

alan

--- d_rock19128 <ras_wic@...> wrote:

> To answer your question, yes. The Solar Plexus
> muscles are the top two
> Abdominal muscles. They are located directly below
> the Sternum. The
> reason for the popularity of this target is because,
> they are the
> muscles located directly over the lungs. Also they
> tend to be the
> weakest of the Abdominal muscles. There are actually
> 8 muscles in the
> Abdomin. Why then is it refered to as a "six-pack"?
> Because the Solar
> Plexus gets overlooked by the BodyBuilder who wants
> to look good.
> Historically this target is called the "Mark". It is
> the second most
> important target after the "Button" or chin. By
> striking a solid blow
> to the Mark, one can affect a "body knockout"
> relativly easy. Some
> Boxers have made a career on this KO, ie. Bob
> Fitzsimmons. The
> corkscrew punch is specifically desinged to be a
> Solar Plexus KO. You
> are in effect, emptying their lungs of oxygen. No O2
> no fight. I hope
> this answers your question. For a good study of this
> I suggest reading
> Ned Beumont's book on historical boxing as a modern
> Martial Art.
> Excellent read.
> Beannachtai, Wic
>
>
>




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To answer your question, yes. The Solar Plexus muscles are the top two
Abdominal muscles. They are located directly below the Sternum. The
reason for the popularity of this target is because, they are the
muscles located directly over the lungs. Also they tend to be the
weakest of the Abdominal muscles. There are actually 8 muscles in the
Abdomin. Why then is it refered to as a "six-pack"? Because the Solar
Plexus gets overlooked by the BodyBuilder who wants to look good.
Historically this target is called the "Mark". It is the second most
important target after the "Button" or chin. By striking a solid blow
to the Mark, one can affect a "body knockout" relativly easy. Some
Boxers have made a career on this KO, ie. Bob Fitzsimmons. The
corkscrew punch is specifically desinged to be a Solar Plexus KO. You
are in effect, emptying their lungs of oxygen. No O2 no fight. I hope
this answers your question. For a good study of this I suggest reading
Ned Beumont's book on historical boxing as a modern Martial Art.
Excellent read.
Beannachtai, Wic

On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 10:19 -0700, rafalrap wrote:
> Is the solar plexus the target just below the rib cage below the
> sternum?
>

yeah.

Here's a pic.

http://www.genetunney.org/plexus.jpg

Ignore the text.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 15:08 +0000, rafalrap wrote:
> Can anyone explain the effective delivery of the solar plexus punch?

I must be misunderstanding the question because I read it and think,
"Ummm... You hit the solar plexus with whatever punch you can get to
land (strait punch seems most likely from a distance)."

Could you please expand upon your question.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Can anyone explain the effective delivery of the solar plexus punch?

Hi Alan ,

I take it your referring to the picture  in which the figure has the right
hand up in front of the face and the left down low against the body!.  If so
we use this guard in some of our DDLR classes as a type of in close
battering ram , driving the enemy onto the back of his heels and following
with hammer blows to the groin and sharp raising elbows under the chin while
he's reeling back.

Aussie John Famechon -former world feather weight boxing champ provides an
excellent breakdown on the 'cross defence' in his boxing manual entitled  "
The Method" .

We also use the  horizontal cross guard , also referred to as the 'safety
block' while driving forward , from this position we deliver short rear
upper cuts to kick the head back exposing the jaw and throat to horizontal
hammer or EOHB blows  . Both these guards have some good cross over
application to real world SD.

Sorry for being so long winded.

All the best ,

Craig G

>From: "spadaydaga" <spadaydaga@...>
>Reply-To: classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com
>To: classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [classicpugilism] cross guard
>Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:51:20 -0000
>
>Hey,
>
>Anybody here ever use that cross guard techinque ( the one in the
>photos) in real sparring?
>
>alan in Southold, NY.
>
>

Hey,

Anybody here ever use that cross guard techinque ( the one in the
photos) in real sparring?

alan in Southold, NY.

Hi Wic

Thanks for the invitation! I'll try to see if I can come down sometime
soon. Right now I'm trying to get "regular" boxing down a bit better
before adapting to the older bareknuckle style. I'll get there when I can.

Thanks again!

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, "d_rock19128" <ras_wic@h...>
wrote:
> Hey, glad to have you on board. My name is Wic, I run the Philadelphia
> Irish-American Martial Arts Club. We do the Broughton era BKB. The
> focus being on Humphries and Mendoza. If you can get to Philly, we
> would be more then happy to have you come play. Where in PA are you
> located? You can email me off list for details.
> Beannachtai, Wic
>
> --- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, "unable_to_find_unused_name"
> <unable_to_find_unused_name@y...> wrote:
> > For a long time now, I have been looking for schools and/or seminars
> > dealing with classical (London Prize Ring Rules) pugilism. I'm hoping
> > to find these in the Northeast (preferably in Pennsylvania, but
> > anywhere in the general area will do), and I would appreciate any help
> > that you can give me. Thank you for your time.