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Re: [classicpugilism] Re: starting Pugilism

On 6/12/09, Milo Thurston <gvurrdon@...> wrote:
> --- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Ken Pfrenger <kenpfrenger@...>
> wrote:
>> I hate Walker!!!! Well at least his quick and easy boxing. To me it
>> looks like he read Mendoza and figured it out from text only. His not
>> so quick and easy method of boxing, also in the same book, is much
>> better IMO. just my 2 cents on Walker!
>
>
> Interesting. I found his simple method very good and useful for getting
> started. However, I would feel the need to use his basic parade on both
> sides at the very least. Do you just dislike just his "hanging guard" style
> of universal parry or do you also consider his defence against a driving
> attack to be dodgy?

I am not a big fan of his universal parry. At least for me it has me
off blanace and slows down any return I could possibly make and most
important for me, I think it is way to hard to deal with combination
attacks from it...just not a fan. I like how he throws the head and
body back as per Mendoza but that is about all I feel comfortable
with.

Ken



Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:11 pm

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What would you suggest for one single book on the technical side of pugilism to start with? Ideally structured in lessons where we can work on a lesson (or a...
Stefan Dieke
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Hi Stefan, That is a tall order! Knowing your preference for more of an upright fencing-like approach to pugilism, I would have to say that Price would be a...
Ken Pfrenger
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Jun 4, 2009
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Allanson-Winn's stuff may be later than we're looking for here, but he does offer a set of lessons and (as a trained engineer) effectively addresses the...
Tony Wolf
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In message <SNT113-W9DE63B3ED043937C9C011EC4B0@...>, Tony Wolf <lone_wolf_9@...> writes ... Agreed, AW has some very neat moves in his book.> Terry...
Terry Brown
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I'm with Ken on this, Mendoza's lessons and principles can be adapted for use with several other 'styles'. I use Mendoza's lessons with other styles with great...
Terry Brown
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... I started off with Walker's basic system, expanding the blocks based on Mendoza's lessons. This seemed to work quite well. Defensive Exercises is now...
Milo Thurston
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Jun 5, 2009
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... If you want very good defensive moves, read Jack Dempsey's book from 1950 on boxing. It can be found on the net for free. Part of the offensive moves do...
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Jun 11, 2009
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... Edwards might also be a good choice. Peace favor your sword, Kirk...
Kirk "Rabid Weasel" L...
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Jun 5, 2009
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Hi Stefan, I?d prefer to combine the lessons of Mendoza with the techniques that are described in Sullivan`s manual. Although I don`t practice Pugilism too...
Alex Kiermayer
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Jun 4, 2009
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hello: for a all-in-one sourcebook on the grappling of pugilism, there's of course Kirk's excellent BANNED FROM BOXING book :-) ~sg 2e. Re: starting Pugilism ...
Stickgrappler ...
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Thank you for all your suggestions, gentlemen! I'm going through Sullivan at this time. He makes it easy to access his stuff due to his very graphical...
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http://books.google.de/books?id=u98DAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=walker+d efensive+exercises Servus, Alex ... Von: classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com ...
Alex Kiermayer
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Herzlichen Dank! Gruß Stefan...
Stefan Dieke
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Hi Stefan! ... I think I speak for everypne here when I say it is always great to help someone just starting out. We are all happy to encourage other people to...
Ken Pfrenger
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Jun 11, 2009
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... Only thing better is choking the crap out of someone, and that's debatable. ... Terry sent me a copy of Mendoza's lessons so you can expect to see a ...
Kirk "Rabid Weasel" L...
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Hi there! I thought I'd give you a quick update on how I (we) progress. I read / looked through Sullivan. It gives a quick overview over the main techniques,...
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... No problem. Glad you can make use of it. Peace favor your sword, Kirk...
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Jun 13, 2009
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... Hi Stefan, Go to the files section of the yahoo group and check out the Broken Heart School of Arms folder and download the PDF of Art and Practice of...
Ken Pfrenger
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... Great manual. As I'm reading through Mendoza's book, I find that Art and Practice lifted quite a bit from Mendoza. I'm looking forward to repugbing the...
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Hi Ken, thank you for pointing me at the 'celebrated pugilist'. I already had the book. Years ago some friends gave me a number of copies of pugilism books at...
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When I started to read the 'celebrated pugilist' I saw that it is the same as a book written by Owen Swift. There are some small differences in text, but even...
j jozen
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... Hi John, These guys really seemed to have no compunction about copying anothers work. Swift was predated by the CP by over 20 years and much of what is...
Ken Pfrenger
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... And portions of CP are lifted from Mendoza as well. Peace favor your sword, Kirk...
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lol and we all complain of pirating now as authors Rick Find or Post Your Hawaii Martial Arts School Find or Post Your Hawaii Fitness & Training Business All...
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... Interesting. I found his simple method very good and useful for getting started. However, I would feel the need to use his basic parade on both sides at...
Milo Thurston
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... I am not a big fan of his universal parry. At least for me it has me off blanace and slows down any return I could possibly make and most important for me,...
Ken Pfrenger
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... Thanks - that makes sense. I've not had too much trouble with it but the universal parry isn't a very flexible system. I asked about his other defence as...
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