I'd love to hear what he has to say on that. It appears that crazy
Monkey Boxing has some 52 in it and may incorpricate other aspects to
form a system of it's own. But please let me know what he has to say
on the simularies.--Ellis

--- In classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Flach
<andrew_flach@...> wrote:
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> Thanks, Ellis.
>
> I am familiar with 52 Handblocks/Jailhouse Rock, having read of it,
mainly through the Stickgrappler web pages and the work of Dennis
Newsome. Although I am not qualified to comment conclusively on the
matter, and despite the marked similarities between the two, I do
believe that Crazy Monkey developed independantly from Jailhouse Rock
and at the hands of Rodney King. Again, there is more to Crazy Monkey
than strickly the defensive posture.
>
> But it is a curious point you raise, and I will put it to Rodney,
for I have been in contact with him on several occasions. He has
always been gracious to reply. I'll try to report back on what he has
to say.
>
> Andrew
>
> --- On Fri, 12/5/08, ELLIS <ellischasemichael@...> wrote:
> From: ELLIS <ellischasemichael@...>
> Subject: [classicpugilism] Re: Crazy Monkey Boxing
> To: classicpugilism@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 9:18 AM
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>
>
> Hello Andrew, Nice find. Now as far as this crazy
monkey boxing being
>
> a new form of boxing, I'm just not so sure about that. After
looking
>
> at your link and doing some googleing myself this appears to be 52
>
> Blocks aka Jailhouse rock, 52 shuffle, ect... They are all forms,
or
>
> the type of boxing/fighting style, that has been developed in
>
> the "ghetto" areas and prisons of most major cities in the U.S. for
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> years and years. It's main goal is Close quarter fighting and
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> fighting in handcuffs or with the hands very close together.
Because
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> of the poor areas and structured criminal systems in the South
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> African jails, it's no surprise it appears there in much the same
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> fashion. 52 Blocks relies heavily on defense as an offence. With
your
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> blocks also being strikes, as well as a lot of elbow use in
blocking
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> and sticking, which helps you to stay on the inside and stay tight
on
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> your opponent leaving no room for the big haymaker type strikes. It
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> also has a lot of short powerful hooks and not a lot of straight
1,2
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> style punching. It's an art of the inside. Rashaad Evans
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> (http://www.fightgoo d.com/article/ crazy-monkey- post-2/) in MMA
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> employs this method in his own boxing (52`s not crazy monkey), Mike
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> Tyson studied this as well both also lean toward the peek-a-boo
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> style. This crazy monkey doesn't look too far from 52 blocks Google
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> it or check it out on youtube and I think you will agree.--Ellis
>
>
>
> --- In classicpugilism@ yahoogroups. com, Andrew Flach
>
> <andrew_flach@ ...> wrote:
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> >
>
> > Have any of you gentlemen had any experience with Rodney "Chico"
>
> King's Crazy Monkey Boxing? If so, what is your estimation of it,
and
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> what parallels do you find between it and classic pugilism?
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> >
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> > For the curious, Crazy Monkey Boxing is a method of boxing,
founded
>
> by South African Rodney King (no, not of police battery fame!),
that
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> allegedly lends itself more readily to light-glove and bare-handed
>
> use than it's modern cousin. It's most widely-known characteristic
is
>
> its defensive posture--a high guard, in which the hands rest atop
the
>
> head and blows are deflected using the forearms. In ways, it
reminds
>
> me of the Mendoza stance. However, King is quick to point out this
is
>
> only one facet of the curriculum, and he presents it as an
integrated
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> system.
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> >
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> > The stance is highly squared, for reasons of power generation and
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> to address the needs of the MMA athlete in countering take-down
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> attempts. Likewise, Crazy Monkey does include elements from Muay
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> Thai, but largely, it seems of Western influence.
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> >
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> > King contends that evasive defensive tactics, such as bobbing and
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> weaving, should actually be taught to the novice, at a latter date,
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> after he has become accustomed to taking blows, using a more
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> rudimentary non-attribute based defense such as the one he teaches.
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> Otherwise, he's gonna get nailed too many times and lose heart.
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> >
>
> > As others have commented (perhaps Ken, Kirk, and company) that
for
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> boxing to be effective in the light-glove arena, it has actually
had
>
> to regress, or return to an earlier point in its evolution. Hence,
>
> Crazy Monkey.
>
> >
>
> > King reportedly forged his methods, in a variety of environments,
>
> but
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> > namely, door work in Johannesburg, which as we all know is an
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> extremely
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> > violent city. He started out in Eastern martial arts as a lad, but
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> > moved on to the Western Boxing, when he took note of its generally
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> > superior combative utility.
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> >
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> > Here's a link to the Crazy Monkey Defense YouTube channel:
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> >
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> > http://www.youtube. com/user/ CrazyMonkeyDefen se
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> >
>
> > I feel this is actually of more use, for our pruposes, than the
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> website (so expansive, it's difficult to navigate) in gaining an
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> > understanding of the physical elements, but here's a link to the
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> web site
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> > as well:
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> >
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> > http://www.crazymon keydefense. com/cmdp/ content/view/ 13/28/
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> >
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> > I'll be curious to read what you all have to say about it. Feel
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> free to express approval or its opposite.
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> >
>
> > Andrew
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> >
>