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actually, sitting on the outside reading the posts, whilst the suggestion of a drinks ban is ill-considered, it was simply that - a suggestion. I'm not sure it required the somewhat severe response from Martin which took it from a point of discussion into more personal territory.
I fell in love with Burnley when I moved there as a 21 year old. One of the comments I would make to friends up and down the country was that I had never found pubs in a town centre on Friday/Saturday nights that were so friendly (e.g. having your dink topped up if accidentally bumped into). This should be compared with Bolton, where Deansgate is nothing more than a battlefield for drink inspired violence on Friday evenings.
Perhaps the (small town - which it is, in size, not stature) community spirit that welcomes its own, works in direct reverse in intensity for the mindless few, where an opposing football fan specifically becomes an intruder. I'm with whoever said that booze is a side issue - it's the mentality that needs sorting out.
Hope this doesn't offend
Ian
----- Original Message -----From: Tony ScholesSent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:32 PMSubject: Re: RE: [clarets] Tragic EventThere was indeed a thread on CLarets Mad re: where to drink and we advised on the cricket club. In light of the events of Saturday the thread has now been removed because of a couple of posts (don't wish to go into detail on that).
I still cannot believe that your blanket ban on drink was anything other than a knee jerk reaction. I wouldn't even expect that of a politician.
Tony
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> From: sean scholfield <magiclard@...>
> Date: 2002/12/11 Wed PM 02:27:43 GMT
> To: clarets@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [clarets] Tragic Event
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> I dont see myself as making a knee jerk reaction of any sort.
> Im just making a suggestion which has been subjected to ridicule and rudeness. Anyone got a better idea? To say that it was a Burberry boy (I am not one of these nor do I like them)is somewhat out of order when as far as I can see its not clear what the connection was that started the fight. The only people who know that are those who where there.
> As I remember rightly there was a bit of an exchange on claretsmad last week with suggestions of where Forest Fans could drink.
> Michael Short <michael.short@...> wrote:I don't think ale is the problem. The problem is Burberry-wearing teenagers who behave like packs of dogs and suffer delusions that they are the most passionate of fans because they are willing to do battle in the name of Burnley FC. It's also a slightly different issue to the one that makes Burnley one of just a handful of places where away supporters cannot safely drink in local pubs before/ after a game.-----Original Message-----
> From: sean scholfield [mailto:magiclard@...]
> Sent: 11 December 2002 12:08
> To: clarets@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [clarets] Tragic Event
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> Hear Hear Tony We need to strike while the iron is hot. A public meeting very very soon with or without the clubs patronisation is required to address the issues. I would prefer it to be with the club and MPs. so that we can make instantaneous demands, name and shame campaigns and whatever it takes to rid the town of this huge problem. Even a temporary ale ban would not go amiss and I would suggest that other fans remain tee total prior to this weekends match as a mark of respect.
> We could end up being banned from having alcohol anyway, among other things.
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I dont see myself as making a knee jerk reaction of any sort.
Im just making a suggestion which has been subjected to ridicule and rudeness. Anyone got a better idea? To say that it was a Burberry boy (I am not one of these nor do I like them)is somewhat out of order when as far as I can see its not clear what the connection was that started the fight. The only people who know that are those who where there.
As I remember rightly there was a bit of an exchange on claretsmad last week with suggestions of where Forest Fans could drink.
Michael Short <michael.short@...> wrote:
I don't think ale is the problem. The problem is Burberry-wearing teenagers who behave like packs of dogs and suffer delusions that they are the most passionate of fans because they are willing to do battle in the name of Burnley FC.It's also a slightly different issue to the one that makes Burnley one of just a handful of places where away supporters cannot safely drink in local pubs before/ after a game.-----Original Message-----
From: sean scholfield [mailto:magiclard@...]
Sent: 11 December 2002 12:08
To: clarets@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [clarets] Tragic EventHear Hear Tony We need to strike while the iron is hot. A public meeting very very soon with or without the clubs patronisation is required to address the issues. I would prefer it to be with the club and MPs. so that we can make instantaneous demands, name and shame campaigns and whatever it takes to rid the town of this huge problem. Even a temporary ale ban would not go amiss and I would suggest that other fans remain tee total prior to this weekends match as a mark of respect.
We could end up being banned from having alcohol anyway, among other things.
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