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#27495 From: "Keri Caffrey" <keribird@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:36 am
Subject: Toronto Safe Cycling Video
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This video contains the scariest thing I've ever seen someone do in a "bike
safety" video. You'll know what I mean.

http://www.thestar.com/videozone/638869

If you'll excuse me, I need to run out to Michaels to get some flowers for my
Surly.




#27496 From: "fred_dot_u" <fred_dot_u@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:22 am
Subject: Re: Toronto Safe Cycling Video
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I suppose this means if someone can speak clearly, anyone can be an
expert on bicycling safety. You are quite correct, Keri, the scariest
thing practically reaches out and grabs you. I know it did me!

Of course, suggesting colourful flowers for an assist to being visible
to motorists is useful advice too.

Sheesh.


--- In chainguard@yahoogroups.com, "Keri Caffrey" <keribird@...> wrote:
>
> This video contains the scariest thing I've ever seen someone do in a
"bike safety" video. You'll know what I mean.
>
> http://www.thestar.com/videozone/638869
>
> If you'll excuse me, I need to run out to Michaels to get some flowers
for my Surly.
>






#27497 From: Kat Iverson <kat_iverson@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 5:09 am
Subject: Re: [CG] Toronto Safe Cycling Video
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The flowers are an excellent touch.  She's already prepared for her own
funeral. You don't need flowers on your bike, Keri.

Kat


Keri Caffrey wrote:
> This video contains the scariest thing I've ever seen someone do in a "bike
safety" video. You'll know what I mean.
>
> http://www.thestar.com/videozone/638869
>
> If you'll excuse me, I need to run out to Michaels to get some flowers for my
Surly.
>
>




#27498 From: Bob Shanteau <RMShant@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: [CG] Toronto Safe Cycling Video
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Kat Iverson wrote:
> Keri Caffrey wrote:
>> This video contains the scariest thing I've ever seen someone do in a
>> "bike safety" video. You'll know what I mean.
>>
>> <http://www.thestar.com/videozone/638869>
>>
>> If you'll excuse me, I need to run out to Michaels to get some
>> flowers for my Surly.
> The flowers are an excellent touch. She's already prepared for her
> own funeral. You don't need flowers on your bike, Keri.

Gee, door zone, trolley tracks and flowers all at the same time:
<http://rmshant.googlepages.com/Yvonne.jpg>

And although she talks about cyclists having the rights of drivers of
vehicles, she doesn't say much about responsibilities. And she doesn't
say a thing about not passing right turning cars on the right.

Bob Shanteau



#27501 From: "kalle.mustonen" <kalle.mustonen@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 10:38 pm
Subject: Re: [CG] Toronto Safe Cycling Video
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That's the way practically everybody does in Helsinki; sharing a gap between a
tram and the doorzone(or curb) so small a gap that I don't even acknowledge it a
gap. (Never heard anybody actually being killed by it.) Got to respect the lane
sharing skills of the inferiority crowd, I don't have those superhuman skills so
I have to bike the easy way.

That was really one funny video until I realized it wasn't comedy. Are you sure
that they didn't edit out the part where the Can-Bike Crew crushes in, carries
out the clown (and her vegetive vehicle) and kicks some real knowledge?

Kalle








#27506 From: Ryan Conrad <ryanridesabike@...>
Date: Sun Jul 5, 2009 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: [CG] Toronto Safe Cycling Video
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Looks like NW Lovejoy here in the P. It has a slight downgrade, maybe 1-2%, substandard DZBL crammed between streetcar tracks. At one point the BL takes you up onto the sidewalk into a crowded streetcar stop, then dumps you into the next intersection ready for a right hook. High crash potential IMO. I almost never ride on that road unless I'm riding my school bike with 26x2" tires (can still slip on the tracks after it rains, they get really slick when wet), and I ride between the tracks of course. As far as I know, no one has been knocked in front of a streetcar (which would likely be fatal, they weigh about 50 tons and take a while to stop), but I wouldn't be surprised if there have been at least a handful of right-hook crashes when cyclists role off the sidewalk into the intersection. I know that's a common way sidewalk cyclists get hit, carrying speed into the intersection and getting hit by a motorist not expecting anything moving that fast on the sidewalk. Overall a compromise in design I guess, but it does show the problems for cyclists when putting a streetcar line and stops in a narrow ROW and of mixing fast cyclists and (stationary) pedestrians.

-Ryan


--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Kat Iverson <kat_iverson@...> wrote:

From: Kat Iverson <kat_iverson@...>
Subject: Re: [CG] Toronto Safe Cycling Video
To: chainguard@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 10:09 PM

The flowers are an excellent touch. She's already prepared for her own
funeral. You don't need flowers on your bike, Keri.

Kat

Keri Caffrey wrote:
> This video contains the scariest thing I've ever seen someone do in a "bike safety" video. You'll know what I mean.
>
> http://www.thestar. com/videozone/ 638869
>
> If you'll excuse me, I need to run out to Michaels to get some flowers for my Surly.
>
>



#27507 From: John Forester <forester@...>
Date: Sun Jul 5, 2009 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: [CG] Toronto Safe Cycling Video
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In the San Francisco area I cycled a lot on streets with streetcar
tracks, and others with railroad tracks, but I don't remember regularly
using any as narrow as that one pictured, and we knew enough to avoid
crossing at a slight angle. It was rarely necessary, or desirable, to
cycle between the two tracks in one direction, but it was necessary and
desirable to cycle between the two sets of tracks when preparing for
left turns. However, at Grove and University, in Berkeley, there were
double streetcar tracks on both streets, with switches and turnouts to
allow practically any movement. I was making a left turn ahead of a
streetcar, and I think the tracks were not wet, but my rear wheel spun
out on that sheet of steel, and I was observing, at very close range, no
more than six feet away, what shall we call it, a cyclist catcher?


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John Forester, MS, PE
Bicycle Transportation Engineer
7585 Church St. Lemon Grove CA 91945-2306
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