Since you are in CA, if you get to Yosemite, I'd be interested if signs are still posted. Be interested in getting a photo, if available, maybe from park...
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Fred Oswald
Fred_Oswald@...
Sep 2, 2000 3:55 am
... station and hand them the PSA's, ask that they be aired on behalf of <local bike advocacy group>. The station takes care of the rest. At least they did...
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Bob and Barbara Boyce
rboyce@...
Sep 2, 2000 5:19 pm
Fred-- All too many motorists will interpret "Cyclists should ride on the right side of the road" as meaning "Stay out of my way, biker!" I'd much prefer...
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L Danish
ldanish@...
Sep 2, 2000 9:29 pm
Actually, I'm having a foreboding thought about public education: It occurs to me that in jurisdictions which have "good" bicycling laws, successful public...
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Fred Oswald
Fred_Oswald@...
Sep 3, 2000 1:25 am
There has been discussion about whether "share the road" is a good slogan. The leader of the "Bicycle Advisory Committee" in the next communtity is thinking...
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Bob and Barbara Boyce
rboyce@...
Sep 3, 2000 3:42 am
Someone asked about recommended wording for road signs--in Arizona, I think? What about this? Remember that most of the people who see it will be...
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Jeff DelPapa
dp@...
Sep 3, 2000 4:04 am
How about: Bikes : Cars Same Roads : Same Laws From: Fred Oswald <Fred_Oswald@...> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:24:48 -0400 There has been...
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CRKJLAW@...
Sep 3, 2000 11:21 am
In a message dated 09/02/2000 9:25:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fred_Oswald@... writes: << Can anyone think of a snappy slogan that would be...
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CRKJLAW@...
Sep 3, 2000 11:24 am
Too often, motorists understand the presence of the Share the Road signs as meaning that cyclist can ONLY ride on those roads. Chris Law Bear, DE...
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Jeremy Parker
JeremyParker@...
Sep 3, 2000 4:00 pm
I too view public education with some trepidation. After all, it was public education, during the 1950s, which was the cause of the problem, unique to North...
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CRKJLAW@...
Sep 3, 2000 4:18 pm
This seems to be a good time to try again at public education. Most states have recognized Effective Cycling, at least in principle, as the best way to ride...
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Fred Oswald
Fred_Oswald@...
Sep 3, 2000 5:23 pm
... successful public education is likely to have the negative effect of causing a whole bunch of bad laws to be quickly adopted -- especially at the local...
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Fred Oswald
Fred_Oswald@...
Sep 3, 2000 5:23 pm
... I was thinking of ride on the right, rather than on the left ... A bit wordy for a sign or even a slogan. Better to say "...a right to the full traffic...
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dkoloko@...
Sep 4, 2000 1:28 am
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:07:48 -0700 "L Danish" <ldanish@...> ... I like the road signs I saw posted at Yosemite, CA: BICYCLISTS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS TO THE...
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dkoloko@...
Sep 4, 2000 1:28 am
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:07:48 -0700 "L Danish" <ldanish@...> ... I like the road signs I saw posted at Yosemite, CA: BICYCLISTS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS TO THE...
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Lauren Cooper
cyclemedia@...
Sep 4, 2000 5:16 pm
... How about: "Bikes Use Full Lane As Needed" Or, for just a slogan: BIKES? ... EQUAL RIGHTS But if you must stick with Share/Rd., the best I've seen was in...
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Lauren Cooper
cyclemedia@...
Sep 4, 2000 5:25 pm
... at about 5 mph. She makes dozens of enemies for cycling every day.<<<< (If this matches the description below, then I strongly disagree that she should...
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CRKJLAW@...
Sep 4, 2000 11:52 pm
... them to slow down. I would not want them doing this at 50 mph so I take the lane. But when a few cars get backed up behind me, I move over and give a ...
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L Danish
ldanish@...
Sep 5, 2000 4:35 pm
... get ... squeeze ... In the general case, I would consider this foolhardy. You don't mention what is to the right of the right lane but if I assume there...
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Bikecoack@...
Sep 5, 2000 5:50 pm
In a message dated 9/5/00 12:36:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ldanish@... writes: << ... get ... squeeze ... I rarely use a hand gesture, since it could...
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Fred Oswald
Fred_Oswald@...
Sep 6, 2000 1:16 am
Chris Law had a good answer to Lauren Cooper's "beef" ... Part of the problem may be miss-communication. The later bit about allowing motorists to squeeze...
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Schubley@...
Sep 6, 2000 2:39 am
Hi all, I'm not sure I'm going to change anyone's mind, but I'll try. I think the recent discussion about the shortcomings of the "share the road" signs is (a)...
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Patrick McHenry
Mchenry_James@...
Sep 6, 2000 1:08 pm
... Cleveland<<<<<< I have tried using hand gestures, but I found it was impossible to figure out motorists' intentions based on their behavior. For example,...
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Brian DeSousa
briandesousa@...
Sep 6, 2000 1:49 pm
From the touring list - note the "railtrails.org" in the headers! Brian...
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CRKJLAW@...
Sep 6, 2000 10:44 pm
In a message dated 09/06/2000 9:20:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mchenry_James@... writes: << have tried using hand gestures, but I found it was ...
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Pete Rhodes
ptr@...
Sep 8, 2000 3:10 pm
My city, in its infinite wisdom, is starting to designate a few sidewalks as "Bike Routes". Signed, and a 3/4 size stop sign at each intersection. A little...
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Lauren Cooper
cyclemedia@...
Sep 8, 2000 5:18 pm
Awhile back I asked for info on signage stating "Bikes Use Full Lane". ... around ... http://netnow.micron.net/~dwight/images/hill_rd01.jpg ... were installed...
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John Forester
forester@...
Sep 8, 2000 5:20 pm
I notice that the 1999 revision of the AASHTO Guide for the Development of Bicycle Facilities was "prepared by the AASHTO task force on geometric design." That...
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John Forester
forester@...
Sep 8, 2000 5:20 pm
I see several ways to attack this problem in Newport News, VA. You need to obtain the 1999 AASHTO Guide of the Development of Bicycle Facilities, (American...
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ab833@...
Sep 8, 2000 5:22 pm
See summary of recent research (sidewalk vs. on-road cycling) by Lisa Aultman-Hall at: http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/aultman.html -- Avery Burdett Ottawa, Ontario...
