I've not been looking at this list for several days. I seem to have missed quite a lot. I was a statistic in the Kaplan study. I haven't seen the Watkins ...
... Hey, DancesWithCars, This is the best, most common sense idea I have heard!! Now, how do we accomplish this? (as you can tell, I'm behind in my...
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Mar 4, 2006 8:18 pm
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... Highway standards allow a "Bike Lane" to be narrow, but most (all?) currently forbid a "Travel Lane" from being narrow too. Once that's fixed, "Bike Lanes"...
Hi Folks Just back from an enjoyable week climbing/trekking (my main recreational pursuit) in Scotland. ... John continues ... I'm not sure what John means by...
... Please do... But first could you explain how you are choosing the facts to focus on? And why the specific recent discussion with John Forester led you to...
... In the interim, the late Ken Kifer did some work around this topic (and was a much better writer than me). Those such as Mr. Forester may choose to ...
In a message dated 3/6/2006 10:09:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, galwaycyclist@... writes: As someone who has a keen interest in cycling safety and in...
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Mar 6, 2006 6:42 pm
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Shane Foran wrote: "To restate my position, I have formed the opinion that, in the absence of other evidence, John's position on this matter is motivated by a...
Cyclist-Ed: A New Analogy A response to someone who has trouble/fear of traffic: "You might consider taking a course in traffic-bicycling; just as drivers of...
Lauren Cooper (Dances...
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Mar 6, 2006 6:44 pm
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shane foran demonstrated his failure to recognize the difference between irrelevant popular statistics and analysis according to the standard principles. Foran...
Lauren Cooper \(DancesWithCars\) wrote: "You might consider taking a course in traffic-bicycling; just as drivers of big-rigs, schoolbuses, and motorcycles...
It seems to me that the basis for risk comparison should be what risks are accepted in daily life. I think that we are haggling about a rate (miles^-1 or...
... Mr Forester writes various things in two long missives where he introduces various issues which are not in dispute such as the merits of vehicular cycling...
... At the risk of exceeding the three post rule, I should point out that I refer specifically to Forester's advocation of risk comparisons between transport...
... I would most respectfully suggest John that there are other people here who have made considerable sacrifices in terms of career/income/personal ...
After all this discussion, broadened largely by his introduction of other subjects, Shane Foran has finally specifically limited his view of the controversy to...
... But measuring for a specific "journey" isn't the point. The point is to compare modes as used for transportation, over an array of transportation purposes....
... I haven't tried to excuse anything the observation re Forester's potential financial interest stands and is available to anyone who wishes to use it...
If the dispute is whether to compare deaths/hour or deaths/passengerMile, then just present both and get on with it. But please let us see the numbers. I will...
Mike Wilson
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Mar 8, 2006 4:42 pm
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... I guess the real question for me is this: For any given trip where I might ride my bike, do I increase or decrease *my* risk if I drive my car instead,...
... I dislike this line of argument. You're basically saying that bicycling will restrict the journeys you can make, compared to driving. You seem to be...
... No. I'm saying nothing bicyclist-specific. I am saying that my best guess (looking at the issue of comparing _transportation_mode_ safety), per-trip...
... For somebody who chooses to style himself as a "Bicycle Transportation Engineer" Mr. Forester displays an apparent, and to my mind incredible, ignorance of...
Michael Graff and Mike Wilson presented much the same concerns regarding the effect of experience on accident rate: MG wrote: "I guess the real question for me...
Mr. Foran has now claimed that I did not know, presumably until he supplied the data in his last post, that walking trips are typically shorter than cycling...
... That individual journeys of given length might be compared by means of casualties/mile travelled is not in dispute. However, Mr. Forester uses his ...
... No John I did not make any such claim. I restate: In my view you have displayed an apparent ignorance of basic premises concerning bicycle tranport. I...
Ah - I didn't realize this was the issue Mr. Foran is rasing: that the fatal accident per mile for distributions around 2 mile trips might be different from...
He's already justified in making the comparisons. That you don't agree and might possibly be correct doesn't change that. Developing statistics in arguments is...
Mr. Foran claims that comparisons of trip risk according to accident rate per mile can be valid only "if he can show that he has data which allow us to...
