... I suppose this is wishful thinking but if Colorado law *requires* dangerous cycling, then the gov't ought to be liable for the consequences. I suppose the...
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Fred Oswald
Fred_Oswald@...
Aug 2, 2000 12:28 am
A trial balloon --- We have had many heated discussions about cycling laws, particularly about UVC section 11-1205, "the far right" rule. John Forester and...
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John Forester
forester@...
Aug 3, 2000 1:59 pm
I have tried various versions of the far right rule in California and in Uniform Vehicle Code proposals, without success. The improvements that I had proposed...
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Bob and Barbara Boyce
rboyce@...
Aug 4, 2000 4:07 am
Fred-- I applaud your efforts to make Ohio laws better for bicyclists! I think you're on the right track, mostly--but I have a reservation about one section...
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Lauren Cooper
cyclemedia@...
Aug 4, 2000 4:11 am
I think that, for cyclists, the most important portion of the current version of the law is one single word: *EXCEPT* The mere existence of this word says...
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Schubley@...
Aug 4, 2000 6:45 am
Hi all, Fred Oswald -- take a bow for your tireless energy. Congratz and thank you. Now the comments: For reasons I'll elaborate on below, I think you're...
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Whitney Turner
wturner@...
Aug 4, 2000 1:13 pm
There are *current* standards for lane width related to posted travel speed. The "substandard" refers to those widths. I don't have the figures in my head,...
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dkoloko@...
Aug 4, 2000 11:27 pm
... This reminds me of the clause in the LAB model helmet law that requires bicycle helmets to be "of good fit". Who is going to decide that? Will we have road...
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dkoloko@...
Aug 5, 2000 12:21 am
There is another front page story, August 2, 2000, highlighting my continuing battle for bicycle bridge access, www.pojonews.com. The following is an article,...
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John Vance
jvance@...
Aug 5, 2000 4:51 am
... That's a very poor story. From it, one gathers that cycling is strictly recreational. The article implies that it's quite reasonable for cyclists to wait...
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Schubley@...
Aug 5, 2000 5:58 am
Hi folks, Demetri wrote: <<When I first learned of the bicycle ban for three years I contacted the bridge authority and expressed my concern, noting that I...
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Fred Oswald
Fred_Oswald@...
Aug 5, 2000 5:25 pm
... speed. ... I have been collecting "official" guidelines that I can cite when they serve our purpose. One such source is US DOT Publication No....
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Fred Oswald
Fred_Oswald@...
Aug 5, 2000 5:25 pm
... And then he suggested copying PA law. I searched for this and found a nice summary at http://www.massbike.org/bikelaw/palaw.htm However, I had no success...
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CRKJLAW@...
Aug 5, 2000 5:50 pm
Try http://www.dot.state.pa.us/penndot/bicycle.nsf/biketoc?readform for PA bike laws. Chris Law Bear, DE...
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Fred Oswald
Fred_Oswald@...
Aug 5, 2000 9:55 pm
I've been "worrywarting" about something John Schubert wrote about a reform of the "far right" rule. This is from the Pennsylvania Law. ... First, it is a big...
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dkoloko@...
Aug 5, 2000 11:15 pm
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:24:55 -0400 Fred Oswald ... This misses the point of LAB's model helmet law. Given that mandatory helmet laws were being passed, LAB...
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dkoloko@...
Aug 5, 2000 11:15 pm
... See article, front page, Daily Freeman, July 16, 2000, www.dailyfreeman.com. Demetri ________________________________________________________________ ...
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CRKJLAW@...
Aug 6, 2000 10:49 am
In a message dated 08/05/2000 7:15:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dkoloko@... writes: << Road blocks to stop bicyclists and determine if their helmets are...
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Bob Sutterfield
Bob@...
Aug 6, 2000 2:24 pm
... I worry that this may turn to bite us. Rather than being used as a design guideline, could a road be posted off limits to bikes because its lanes are too...
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L Danish
ldanish@...
Aug 6, 2000 6:30 pm
Speaking of three feet -- Arizona recently passed similar legislation in HB2625, read the full law at ...
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dkoloko@...
Aug 6, 2000 10:20 pm
... is ... The above sentence, whatever it is supposed to mean, is not worthy of a response. ... HOW is subject "portion of the helmet law was aimed at parents...
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John Vance
jvance@...
Aug 7, 2000 12:37 am
... legislation in ... DIRECTION, A ... SAFE ... THREE ... death... ... IS INJURED ... IS ... does it ... areas ... between the ... bike lane ... statue? if ...
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Lauren Cooper
cyclemedia@...
Aug 7, 2000 4:06 am
... exceptions)." Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like education and discussion, and laws are normally briefer than that.<<<<<<<<< It's the same list...
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John Vance
jvance@...
Aug 7, 2000 5:44 am
Error 403 - you do not have permission. Wazzup wid dat, Jack? Are you in the middle of renovations? John Vance...
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Peter Rosenfeld
prosenfe@...
Aug 7, 2000 1:12 pm
... We have a similar, if not as extreme, story here in Philadelphia. The Ben Franklin Bridge, between Camden, NJ and Center City Philadelphia, is the only ...
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Brian DeSousa
briandesousa@...
Aug 7, 2000 1:51 pm
... AZ does not have mandatory use for bike lanes. But I have seen bike lanes in Phoenix, most of which I would consider "sub-standard" compared to the ones...
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Schubley@...
Aug 7, 2000 5:15 pm
Hi Fred, ... "Search the Pennsylvania Code" website http://www.pacode.com/cgi-bin/pacode/secure/infosearch.pl (I was looking for an "official" source that I...
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Schubley@...
Aug 7, 2000 5:17 pm
Fred, ... "Upon all roadways any vehicle, or trackless trolley proceeding at less than the prevalent and lawful speed of traffic at the time and place and ...
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Schubley@...
Aug 7, 2000 5:44 pm
Hi all, ... be forced to use an alternate link (the walkway) rather than have the right to use the bridge roadbed.<< Frankly, I think this argument has...
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Peter Rosenfeld
prosenfe@...
Aug 7, 2000 6:12 pm
... But why? The sight-lines are long and the speeds aren't that high. At the top of the bridge the posted speed limit is 35 mph, decreasing to 25 mph near the...
