... As do some local ordinances. The below PA newspaper article is crossposted from PEDNET. I wonder what they do with recreational cyclists. It seems...
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Peter Rosenfeld
prosenfe@...
Oct 1, 2002 2:06 pm
Pretty sad - kid pedestrian deaths are down because so few are allowed to walk anymore. In 1969, half walked or biked to school. Now it's 10%. It would be...
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Wayne Pein
wpein@...
Oct 1, 2002 3:06 pm
... It's easy to stir emotion when you use the "safety" BS angle. Who could be against children's safety? The residents are immediately put on the defensive...
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Wayne Pein
wpein@...
Oct 1, 2002 3:08 pm
... It sounds as if you know all you need to know about riding a bike and the infrastructure needs to support that. I think what you may be able to learn from...
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Bob Morgan
robtwmor@...
Oct 1, 2002 4:17 pm
Bob "Picnic in the Streets" Matter sent a couple of photos of cyclists riding on an Interstate highway devoid of cars. Very pretty. But where was the touch...
... No. This is simply wrong. Roads are for facilitating commerce between people. That commerce can take many forms--from transportation of nuclear waste to...
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JF Scott
jfscott@...
Oct 1, 2002 6:02 pm
... I think you will find that the 'pedestrian mall" concept is almost always an economic disaster. When you close off a street to cars, you may increase...
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CRKJLAW@...
Oct 1, 2002 6:59 pm
... many forms--from transportation of nuclear waste to social commerce between individuals.< I think we are using the different words to convey the same idea....
... location where closure of a street to auto traffic has increased retail business, even in Europe. How about 4? Ithaca, NY Burlington, VT Boulder CO Rue...
... to walk anymore. In 1969, half walked or biked to school. Now it's 10%. In the U.S., National Walk to School Day is tomorrow, October 2. Thanks, Peter,...
... Sounds to me like taking your new car for a spin around the neighborhood, just for the pleasure of driving it, is now illegal in that township. Allen...
... You are exaggerating the extent to which the public space would be occupied. Streets are pretty big when you remove the cars and SUVs from them. And...
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Darryl Skrabak
dskrabak@...
Oct 1, 2002 11:29 pm
This is in response to Dr. Scott's request for examples of closures of streets to motor traffic that have been successful; i.e., the businesses located thereon...
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JF Scott
jfscott@...
Oct 1, 2002 11:37 pm
... More info, please -- Ithaca itself is a college town and that part of New York state is an economic basket case, losing population. The point is not that...
... From the description, the Brooklyn side streets sound like their primary use was actually recreation. When Dad drove home from work they briefly became...
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JF Scott
jfscott@...
Oct 2, 2002 12:58 am
I thank Mr Skrabak for his incisive and courteous reply. Not too many postings these days embody both these properties. Darryl Skrabak has been the source in...
... To amplify on my previous comments: Bike routes and street play are incompatible. I have no problem slowing down and moving slow through streets near the...
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JF Scott
jfscott@...
Oct 2, 2002 1:12 am
... An invidious distinction between "utility" and "recreational" transport often figures in criticism of cyclists. Yet it is obvious that there are many...
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John Andersen
andersen@...
Oct 2, 2002 4:18 am
... Wrong. Roads are for transportation. Period. You do not have the right to set up shop in the streets. They are for transportation. Transportation supports...
... an economic disaster. When you close off a street to cars, you >may increase pedestrian traffic, and of course car-haters like that, >but the merchants...
... Pictures of Oxford street restriction techniques are at http://homepage.mac.com/aforkosh/EuroBikePhotos/source/l06_oxford1.html and ...
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Lauren Cooper
cyclemedia@...
Oct 2, 2002 5:47 pm
Summer 2002 ERCC Florida Advocacy News ERCC Florida volunteer Kimberly Cooper writes: I've been busy with the ERCC letter. I wrote a letter to the editor of...
... There you have it. It was the invention of the horse, not the car that ruined the steets for pedestrians. Notice that our modern police have rediscovered...
My own birthplace of Norwich is a good example of pedestrision whic worked. They started in a small way with just one half of London Street in spite of...
... It's not that simple. I could take you about a mile down the road from my house, to the former site of Barnet market, for a historical discussion. True,...
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JF Scott
jfscott@...
Oct 2, 2002 7:53 pm
No, no, Mr Anderson. From the point of view of the true car-hater, saying roads and streets are for transport means inevitably (at least these days) giving a...
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JF Scott
jfscott@...
Oct 2, 2002 7:57 pm
Thanks for this report. I was asking for information and I am getting it! The problem with auto-free shopping areas is the tendency of Americans to buy a lot...
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Peter Rosenfeld
prosenfe@...
Oct 2, 2002 8:15 pm
... still-active High Streets (Main Streets in the USA, now in widespread decline) in old locations are not obliged to compete with a British ... The main...
It was gently pointed out to me that unformatted text makes you look like an un-edumacated cretin. "Hey, I knew that". All my formatting magically vanished...
