... Don't believe the slanted comments. On the whole bicycling in the US is great. People who characterize it otherwise either are causing their own problems...
1010
P.M. Summer
pmsummer@...
Mar 1, 2000 2:12 pm
... Which reminds me of a good story. A few years ago, I was on a nice recreational ride on a road that followed the shoreline of a small lake. This particular...
1011
Stanley batt
stanley_b@...
Mar 1, 2000 2:20 pm
Mr. Summer, ... advocates standing around smoking cigarettes during the breaks.< What is your point? Stanley Batt Clueless in Heidelberg ...
1012
P.M. Summer
pmsummer@...
Mar 1, 2000 2:26 pm
Stanley, Because it was a refreshing change of pace from all the tofu-eating, helmet-mandating, lane-striping wackos I deal with in the American Governmental...
1013
John Vance
jvance@...
Mar 1, 2000 2:46 pm
... You forgot "latte-swilling." John Vance...
1014
Tom Revay
trlist@...
Mar 1, 2000 2:53 pm
... 2 ... helped ... women? ... While I think Ken's observations are largely true, and that quite a lot of motorist hostility can be associated with (though...
1015
P.M. Summer
pmsummer@...
Mar 1, 2000 3:17 pm
John, Stanley's in Europe. I'm trying to learn to be sensitive to other cultures. PMS ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your...
1016
Bob Sutterfield
Bob@...
Mar 1, 2000 3:44 pm
... Excellent! I'll use that one at the next meeting of the local paths-n-paint committee....
1017
Stanley batt
stanley_b@...
Mar 1, 2000 4:08 pm
... Show me a country where your vehicular cycling is the main form of cycling and I will show you a country where cycling accounts for a very small modal ...
1018
Andrew Case
acase@...
Mar 1, 2000 4:12 pm
Regarding the comparison between bike lane advocacy and racism: Man would I be pissed if I was black/jewish/kosovar/whatever and somebody made a comparison...
1019
P.M. Summer
pmsummer@...
Mar 1, 2000 4:21 pm
... Although I usually shy away from any comparisons to the evil that is racism with the ignorance that is paint&paths, I was struck by something in Mr. ...
1020
Stanley batt
stanley_b@...
Mar 1, 2000 4:22 pm
Mr. Summer clarified his reason for pointing out the presence of European ... BTW: I like to place bike racks where smokers congregate near building entrances....
1021
Peter Rosenfeld
prosenfe@...
Mar 1, 2000 5:31 pm
Briefly - all the countries referred to as having a high percentage of the population cycling had this high percentage before special facilities were put in....
1022
Bob Sutterfield
Bob@...
Mar 1, 2000 5:45 pm
Peter Rosenfeld wrote: . All the countries referred to as having a high . percentage of the population cycling had this . high percentage before special...
1023
Nic H.
nic_he@...
Mar 1, 2000 5:54 pm
Confession time: I rode in ped-space today. Not on a sidewalk but in an honest-to-gosh office building. Here's how it happened. Approaching my office this...
1024
Bob Sutterfield
Bob@...
Mar 1, 2000 5:55 pm
... No problem. ... And that's the danger in using sound bite analogies: They accomplish the initial purpose (arousal) by pushing the easy hot button, but...
1025
Riley Geary
geary@...
Mar 1, 2000 6:54 pm
... I think you may be confusing Tom Revay's description of Ireland with conditions elsewhere in Europe, e.g. Denmark, Germany, and the Netherlands. As I...
1026
Ken Kifer
kenkifer@...
Mar 1, 2000 6:59 pm
John Forester wrote (in part): . . . Have my experiences been a reasonable sampling of all American roads? I won't say that they have been, for I have not...
1027
Andrew Case
acase@...
Mar 1, 2000 7:01 pm
... and A. Case bolloxes up the attributions... ... Now there's a useful one-liner... ... But - the history of segregated water fountains can be part of a...
1028
John Forester
forester@...
Mar 1, 2000 7:29 pm
Stanley Batt tries to take me to task for failing to answer some implied question that I should provide the name of a nation in which there is much ...
1029
Gutierrez Daniel A Ae...
daniel.a.gutierrez@...
Mar 1, 2000 7:27 pm
Paul writes: "...Mr. Sutterfield's analogy might even be better than he first thought. When talking to planners or paint and path advocates I use the phrase: ...
1030
ab833@...
Mar 1, 2000 8:52 pm
From: "Stanley batt" <stanley_b@...> ... Mr. Pucher ignored the fact there may be other reasons for cycling accounting for higher modal splits. For...
1031
Lauren Cooper
cyclemedia@...
Mar 2, 2000 12:21 am
Mr. Pucher and Mr. Batt attribute the popularity of cycling in Europe to sidepath availability. They insist that this is a causal relationship, but they...
1032
Kalle A Mustonen
Kalle.Mustonen@...
Mar 2, 2000 1:26 am
... Show me a country where same amount of effort and money is spent to encourage vehicular cycling that is spent to encourage bikeway cycling in bikeway...
1033
Jared The Great
JaredTheGreat@...
Mar 2, 2000 3:05 am
The US has a different situation than most of Germany. For one, America is the absolute cheapest place to own, maintain, and operate a car. Cars are taxed...
1034
Jared The Great
JaredTheGreat@...
Mar 2, 2000 3:05 am
The difference being that cyclists are being segregated not because of how we were born, or other factors beyond our control. Racism is a sensitive hot button...
1035
Riley Geary
riley.geary@...
Mar 2, 2000 4:54 am
P.M. Summer writes: ... away from ... was ... the ... Northern ... insure ... political, ... territory. ... slaves ... risk. It ... wives ... efforts ... ...
1036
Jim Baross, Jr.
jbaross@...
Mar 2, 2000 7:05 am
Thanks Riley. I may have found a living room to sleep in in Amsterdam. The scholarship sounds like worth applying for. Is there an application form or other...
1037
Stanley batt
stanley_b@...
Mar 2, 2000 8:24 am
Professor Pucher, You wrote to Mr. Forester (who posted his reponse on the Chainguard ... Do you object because we do not recommend ONLY your approach, to the ...
1038
Stanley batt
stanley_b@...
Mar 2, 2000 10:18 am
... Check out Mr. Forester's version of European reality check at his web site in the article "Improving Bicyclists' Traffic Behavior By Changing National ...
