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Re: [CG] Re: Safety & trolly tracks

I bicycle around the trolley tracks in Philadelphia frequently. Because of this I'm very aware of them. On the narrower streets or streets with parking to the right the only thing you can do is "take the lane". As long as you are aware of the tracks and take the lane, it's pretty easy. Turning is also easy if you are already in the middle.  But I HAVE had an emergency vehicle behind me and had to get out of the way in the middle of a block. The only way to do that is to dismount and pick up your bike to move it over the tracks. There's no way on a narrow street with cars parked near the tracks that you can angle over the rails.

If people aren't  familiar with urban bicycling near trolley tracks, the results can be disastrous. And a college friend of mine, with more more years than me of vehicular cycling, took his one and only serious spill on a bike when his rear-wheel got caught on a wet day.

So sure, if one is very careful and aware, one can deal with tracks. But most of us slip up now and again and those tracks might get us.

But I wouldn't want to remove them to reduce the road hazards. The trolleys are a legitimate and useful segment of traffic around here.

--- On Tue, 7/7/09, poteit0r <poteit0r@...> wrote:

From: poteit0r <poteit0r@...>
Subject: [CG] Re: Safety & trolly tracks
To: chainguard@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 7:04 AM

--- In chainguard@yahoogro ups.com, Schubley@... wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I realize I'm outnumbered on this,
>

Count me in among the outnumbered ones. Eliminating street hazards (tram rails or other kind) is good both for "competent" and "incompetent" cyclists. Just because we might have attained a level of expertise that allows us to ride through them safely, doesn't mean that we are entitled to ignore those hazards when talking about cycling policies and engineering.

--- In chainguard@yahoogro ups.com, Schubley@... wrote:
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> Why should we competent cyclists be asked to evaluate roads
> for the incompetent?
>

Because if there is someone around able to distinguish between real and imaginary hazards, it is (or it should be) us. The segregationist camp is all to happy to bundle together all kind of actual or fantasy, mild or lethal dangers in their effort to push their agenda. The discipline to point out existing dangers, even when they do not affect us, is part of the process of separating reality from fiction, and it is a responsability we cannot shoulder off because there is nobody else in this field to take it up.

Of course, the installation of tram rails obeys much stronger forces than us and is not likely to be affected by whatever we think of it, but in my opinion that is not reason to be blasé about the shooting just because we can dodge the bullets.

Txarli
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Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:46 pm

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Hi all, I realize I'm outnumbered on this, but I thought I'd 'splain my reasoning anyway. The question is: can the street in the Toronto video, or other, ...
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I see, from John S's discussion below, that the safety of streets has to be evaluated on the basis of people who: Don't think ahead Can't plan to cross tracks...
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Schubley@... wrote: "A lot of people don't think very far ahead, and simply lack the ability to plan a transition from in between tracks to outside of the...
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... Count me in among the outnumbered ones. Eliminating street hazards (tram rails or other kind) is good both for "competent" and "incompetent" cyclists. Just...
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I bicycle around the trolley tracks in Philadelphia frequently. Because of this I'm very aware of them. On the narrower streets or streets with parking to the...
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