On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Keri Caffrey wrote:

> --- In chainguard@yahoogroups.com, John Schubert <Schubley@...> wrote:
>
>> -- Cross when safe -- either walk with the pedestrian cycle or ride
>> with the green.
>
> In Orlando it's always better to ride with the green because there is
> zero respect for crosswalks or pedestrians. The decreased
> maneuverability of walking the bike increases the danger.

A pedestrian has much more maneuverability than a
person astride their bike, so I'm not following your point
here.

John Schubert description of the ped left turn is correct.
Too many people call a road-sneak rushed left turn
in front of motor vehicles, starting from the far right very near
the intersection, a pedestrian left turn. It is not. It is unsafe.

Safe ped left turns really are _ped_ left turns, as John
described.

> A cyclist
> was killed here not long ago walking his bike across a crosswalk - he
> had a walk signal.

This sounds like a reason too throw the book at the person
who hit this pedestrian (if the bicyclists was acting in correct
pedestrian manner) - not a reason to water down the
description of what is involved in a pedestrian left turn by a
bicyclist.

Ken